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Ohio Fracking Wells Closed After Earthquakes
CNN reports:
graphic from ProPublica
State leaders have ordered that four fluid-injection wells in eastern Ohio will be "indefinitely" prohibited from opening in the aftermath of heightened seismic activity in the area, an official said.
Ohio Department of Natural Resources Director James Zehringer had announced on Friday that one such well -- which injects "fluid deep underground into porous rock formations, such as sandstone or limestone, or into or below the shallow soil layer," the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency explains -- was closed after a series of small earthquakes in and around Youngstown.
Then on Saturday, a magnitude 4.0 earthquake struck that released at least 40 times more energy than any of the previous 10 or more tremors that had rattled the region in 2011.
The New York Times notes that:
The latest quake, the 11th since mid-March, occurred Saturday afternoon and with a magnitude of 4.0 was the strongest yet. Like the others, it was centered near a well that has been used for the disposal of millions of gallons of brine and other waste liquids produced at natural-gas wells, mostly in Pennsylvania.
The waste, from the process called hydraulic fracturing that is used to unlock the gas from shale rock, had been injected under pressure into the well, which is 9,200 feet deep. Scientists had suspected that some of the wastewater might have migrated into deeper rock formations, allowing an ancient fault to slip. Similar links between disposal wells and earthquakes have been suspected in Arkansas and Texas.
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Show AllNot to worry. They'll re-open them a few days, as soon as people forget about the quake.
Unfortunately, I think you're right even though "fracking" is a v. destructive process. Those who stand to gain, v. few in comparison to the damage, are drooling at the prospects, and most of Pa. has been sold out to European countries for same operation.
It (most of America) was sold out to European countries a long time ago. The only thing that has flourished here since, is Europeans.
LOL! Touche, cbs!
Unfortunately, I think you're right even though "fracking" is a v. destructive process. Those who stand to gain, v. few in comparison to the damage, are drooling at the prospects, and most of Pa. has been sold out to European countries for same operation.
I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, the willful ignorant populace of Amerika isn't. To boot, EXXON's CEO has gone out on a propaganda campaign that will make the eyes of all the FAUX Noisers water. It's all a lost cause. To paraphrase Clint Eastwood in "when the little man goes up against the corporations, the little man is a dead man" - even if that little man comprises 99% of the population.
What's an earthquake or two when fracking will create jobs - for a few hundred, white, high-school drop-outs for ten months.
Let's see... poor regulation, poisoned well water, earthquakes. Yeah baby, clean, safe natural gas. Never mind the non-reporting of fugitive methane emissions along the chain of production, storage and distribution. Meanwhile methane seabed emissions in the Siberian Arctic have increased ten-fold in one year. The biggest tipping point on the planet. Willful stupidity. Blinding greed.
"Let's see... poor regulation, poisoned well water, earthquakes. Yeah baby, clean, safe natural gas."
I actually LOLed at that line, but the rest of your post wiped the smile off my face... :-(
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?categoryID=12&faqID=88
Thank you for this -- nothing like FACTS for those able to READ!
(I had to fight my way through the ridiculous LOGIN process to be able to THANK YOU!)
It's not clear what your point is with the USGS article about underground nuclear tests. Are you suggesting that fracking was unlikely to be the cause of the earthquakes because underground nuclear tests haven't caused major earthquakes? If so, you'd better learn more science. Nuclear tests are a whole different animal, not related to water. I used to work in Denver for the USGS, so I'm quite aware of how injection of fluids can cause earthquakes. See http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?categoryID=1&faqID=1
THANK YOU so much for your relevant (and ironicallly identically sourced!) post.
It's silly to imply that "because nuclear tests don't cause eatrthquakes, no other human activity can". Comparing wastewater injection to underground explosions is like comparing an internal combustion engine to a hydraulic press. Water can't be compresed, remember?
Thank Dick Cheney's Halliburton. Fracking - a gift that keep on giving. In fifty years "We" will be giving Halliburton a no-bid contract to purify the water they are fouling today. Think of the job creation.
True. People want cheap gas so much they don't stop and think whether they want it in exchange for expensive food and water.
It's true that people want less expensive gas and they should have it, but the oil executives get million over millions in bonuses and there are many of them that we are nursing just to get their products. The right complains about a teachers meager income and retirement but the oil companies are costing us right up the ass!
Right on!!! The people at the top of these energy companies make millions and billions while we scramble down here to buy natural gas to cook a meal........ssssoooo, I say to hell with the natural gas..... to hell with earth killing drilling for any thing.....I say we go back to living as we did 200-300- yrs ago or more...THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO LEAVE A PLANET FOR OUR CHILDREN TO LIVE ON.....AND BE ABLE TO FEED THEMSELVES...
Yeah, thank Cheney. He and energy company lobbyists wrote the bill that exempted fracking from all environmental regulations (Energy Policy Act of 2005) in his White House office, in secret.
See: http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20110615/OPINION02/306159986
But you can thank your current president too. Then Senator Obama voted for that corporate-welfare, anti-environment total piece of crap, and then had the balls to call it a "green energy" bill!
Guess who had more integrity than Senator Obama? Future presidential contenders Senator Clinton and Senator McCain. Both voted against the bill. McCain?! Yeah, he opposed the massive taxpayer subsidies and tax breaks for already rich corporations — something that doesn't phase Obama in the slightest.
Our "environmental-protection and green energy" president! He brought you the BP Gulf oil blow out (offshore drilling is "safe," remember?) and now he brings you fracking-caused groundwater contamination and earthquakes too!
Can a nuclear power plant disaster be far behind?
It may not be such a big deal, nothing to be "excited" about.
There are only two nuclear power plants operating in Ohio and only about 180 gas and oil wells being fracked in Ohio... So the odds of a catstrophic disaster there are probably less than 50/50. Nothing to be "excited" about.
And water supplies being ruined? __ Nahhh... They have the Ohio River and Lake Erie in Ohio and average ranfall in Ohio is prretty good, it ain't Texas.
Think about the "econony",, focus on that... We are alwys reminded that, "It's the ecomomy stupid"..... Speaking of stupid,, hmmmm.
Now if they are fracking wells along the extremely dangerous ~New Madrid~ earthquake fault line, which runs from northern Illinois to Arkansas, then we have something to think about... Think of maybe a bad-ass magnitude 8 or 9 earthquake with 15 nuclear reactors located along that dangerous fault line. Now there we are talking "excitement".
I honestly believe that someday, some oil exec wizard will blithly explain, that if we use small atomic bombs deep in the ground, that we would not have to pump in nasty water to frack and cause earthquakes... And our brain damaged 536 DC elected would approve it, saying, "It's the ecomomy stupid". .
And in the event of such a disaster, those oil and gas company execs would say "don't blame us, government allowed us to do it!" And "conservatives" would believe it!
Yep; and the far, far, far, far to the right GOP evangilicals would say, "It's God's will, hala-lulu-yah."
Didn't know God was an oil-man though... Thought he was an environmentalist.
Yeah, I'm a bit excited.
I actually did a paper in 1970 about a deep disposal well at Rocky Flats Arsenal (used to dispose of chemical weapons) that initiated a series of earthquakes, it isn't a new problem. On the other hand...the cost of the black gold, whether it is tar sands oil or Iraqi oil or soon...Iranian oil is far higher than the environmental cost of shale gas. No energy comes without cost. Done with better oversight this is where we need to move to. Conservation is also huge...but in the meantime...unless you want to walk to work, saw your wood by hand, give up the night to darkness...shale gas is a much better alternative to the sad parades at Dover Air Force Base. BTW, I live off the grid in a solar powered, compost toileted, rain water captured house. I still need fossil fuel.
But how much? Could you get by on a organic synthetic?
You forgot the part about "chucking spears."
Manysummits
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That may be unfair - are you engineer or lobbyist?
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This may not bode well for the disposal of CO2 - should we ever get those Direct Air Capture Devices working.
Caveat: I haven't looked into this - just off the top of the head - but if DAC became mandatory, and a drawdown in a hurry of atmospheric CO2 to < 350 ppm - there would be an awful lot of CO2 to sequester.
Manysummits - former oilfield consulting wellsite geologist - on the cutting edge of horizontal drilling way back when
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One must not forget that many claim that the Great Tsnumai that killed hundreds of thousands of people was triggered by companies drilling for Oil and Gas in the very area that was its epicenter.
I am not stating that ut a FACT that such an event was triggererd by such. I am merely stating there a good possibility that it was and it will never be properly investigated.
Wasn't there also a 5.0 fracking-related quake in Oklahoma?
Pressures build up on the earth's crust when millions of tons of silt migrate down the Mississippi, or when 300 years of ocean storms slowly move Cape Cod into a new shape. An earthquake is when the crust lets loose to find equilibrium again. These stresses can found in many places in America.
I recently heard a fracking apologist claim that fracking didn't actually create the stresses of the earthquake. He had made up a straw argument -- no one had accused the fracking companies of creating the megatonnage of stresses. The real question is, did fracking the rock cause existing stresses to let loose? I mention this because you may run into a similar apologist dealing out the same straw argument. Nationally, these people tend to operate under tight central control.
No, one does not have to have fossil fuel, just as we do not have to have these computers.
We need to move quickly to an agrarian society - and the cities can, too, in their parks and empty spaces.
We out here in the hinterlands can get along without fossil fuels, and do. Wood cookstoves and woodburning heater stoves, double-paned glass windows along South side of house for winter heat from the sun covered with quilts at night, candles for reading, grow own food so no need for store, and so on. It's pretty easy, really.
I'm an organic grower who has (not now--bit older--though I do live almost this simply) lived in an uninsulated log cabin in the Maine Woods through several winters. Got my water from the lake, including in winter (smashed the ice every day), dragged wood in from the woodpile (still do that), and so on.
The only problem with living like that is that one doesn't have much time for much else. But there is time to visit friends down the road, read a lot, and write some.
Time to think and be human.
We cook most of our dinner meals in a solar oven, sometimes lunch also... It's easy, fun and the food tastes great.
We made our own solar ovens but there are many brands available from mail order... Google (solar ovens)... free fuel and no Co2 emitted... On a cloudy day? We eat banana and peanut butter sandwiches,,, with mayo... Chocolate covered marshmellows for desert.
Happy New Year WayneWR. Thank you for this wonderful suggestion.
Hi Joe, how ya doin? __ Here are some solar oven recipes.
http://www.cookwiththesun.com/recipes.htm
"Solar oven cooking is easy. Exact timing is not important. The gentle, solar heat is what gives food the enhanced flavor that is always present in this method of cooking. You will become an expert in no time at all."
We will certainly try to have a "happy" year, thanks for saying it. ... We'll see how much methane gas escapes into the atmopshere from the melting Arctic's permafrost and hope the three melted down reactor cores at Fukushima stop radioating deady poisons and hope no major earthquakes,,, tornadoes,,, or floods hit anywhere near a nuker here in the US.
Happy as wild pigs in a field of corn... Wheeee... There has to be some decent news, like maybe our 536 DC elected are all given prescriptions for some smart pills.
Btw, there was a 7.3 quake in Siberia on Dec 27th... Understand there is quite a bit of oil or natural gas drilling going on there.
About 55 million years ago massive earthquakes in the Siberia area and a result of very heavy volcanic activity with releases of vast amounts of poisonous gases (may) have been the reason most life on the planet was rather suddenly eradicated. That according to some top sientists and geologists.
This fracking is truly insanity, any good geologist would know it and admit it.
del
~James Housel~ wrote,, > ("No energy comes without cost. Done with better oversight this is where we need to move to.").
We damn sure do need to move to clean energy,, but shale gas is not the better option,,, solar, tidal, geothermal are viable, cost effective alternatives with zero cost for fuel and they don't fill the atmopshere with Co2.
Yes that is so true. Oil will only get scarcer and more expensive. In fact it could even be traded for something other than dollars any time soon. And that would make gasoline as expensive for America as it is for Europe, overnight! We have to get off the stuff. If we do it now we can gradually move towards a totally clean tech economy, and then we won't have to be crippled by any shocks to supplies. There are so many sound reasons to get off oil: jobs, clean air and water, less asthma and cancers, no environmental disasters.
To get off of Oil we need to stop our Auto Addiction - 70% of US oil is used for
Transportation, primarily cars and trucks but also planes. 38% of Greenhouse emissions are directly attributable to Transportation but more than that with indirect
costs of 260 Million cars which require a football field of asphalt for every 5 cars,
the land gobbled up by 8 lane highways, overpasses etc.
The excellent book "Transportation Revolutions: Moving People and Freight without Oil"
http://transportrevolutions.info/
pointed out that the EU would have actually reduced their Greenhouse emissions from 1990 to 2004 EXCEPT for Transportation which produced a 20% increase.
Brookings found last May that 70% of working age Americans in 100 US metro areas
already live only 3/4th mile from a Transit stop!
But the problem is 150 public transit systems have been cut since 2008 while we wasted $3 Billion on "cash for clunkers" for more cars, and Obama wants to waste
$7 billion subsidizing personal electric cars instead of simply running existing already
electric trains and light rail.
Again Transportation Revolutions pointed out a city in the Netherlands which offered
public transit passes for people who turned in their cars instead of more cars.
Only 1% ever went back to their cars!
From 1941 to 1945 the US to save oil, rubber, metals resolutely cut auto usage and mileage and increased in just 4 years intercity rail ridership by 4 times, intercity bus
ridership by 4 times, and local transit usage also by 4 times.
We need to see this as an economic/environmental emergency and do the same
and stop pretending we can continue auto addiction forever.
By the way, very interesting article on Chicago which cancelled its green bus order
in 2009 which wound up closing a plant in Wisconsin and laying off hundreds of workers-
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/traffic/ct-met-getting-around-0102-20120102,0,836667.column
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"Increasingly, we are having trouble keeping up with basic maintenance. We'll need to start designating residential streets as unsuitable for larger vehicles, or surfacing with something other than asphalt.
"Potholes represent part of a growing problem with crumbling roads across Illinois.
State roads are wearing out 33 percent faster than they are being repaired, according to a new study by the Transportation for Illinois Coalition.
By the end of 2017, nearly one out of every four miles of roads will be in unacceptable condition if the current pattern continues, the study warned."
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Wake up America!
Stop the Wars!
Stop the Auto Addiction!
now, if they could harness the earthquakes...
You know this is like a really bad B grade SciFi movie, only it's F en REEL.
Shit wa do...if a dumbass redneck like me with less than a high school edercation can figure out that frackin is way off the charts stupid..why da hell can't more highly edercated sorts?
They tried that shit here in the Matsu Valley a few years back and we ran their asses outta the state and recalled one state senator that was their lick spittle down on his knees corporate lackey. His name by the way is Scott Ogden, and even dumbass rednecks up here hate his slimy ass.
Damn it's cold up here tonight..bout -20F. Life in a white trash motorhome ain't all she's cracked up ta be.
Just noticed something !!!
The headline is wrong ! It was not the "Fracking Wells [that were] Closed After Earthquakes" (CD headline) -
It was "four fluid-injection wells in eastern Ohio will be "indefinitely" prohibited from opening in the aftermath of heightened seismic activity in the area, an official said. (CD 1st paragraph).
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Check the New York Times link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/science/earth/youngstown-injection-well-stays-shut-after-earthquake.html?_r=1
"An official in Ohio said on Sunday that the underground disposal of wastewater from natural-gas drilling operations would remain halted in the Youngstown area until scientists could analyze data from the most recent of a string of earthquakes there...
it was centered near a well that has been used for the disposal of millions of gallons of brine and other waste liquids produced at natural-gas wells, mostly in Pennsylvania..." (these were the fracking wells, and it was the waste from these shale gas fracking wells that was being disposed of).
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That would make my previous comment on this thread more relevant (at 4:50 pm - re CO2 disposal wells). If an earthquake caused the meltdown of a nuclear reactor - that would clearly be unacceptable. (Law of unintended consequences strikes again)
Manysummits - in Calgary
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The two processes are quite different, once you think about it.
"Fracking" injects fluids under pressure to physically open up the reservoir and enhance the ability of other fluids - oil or natural gas, to flow back to the surface. Sometimes (often), particulates are included in the injection process, so that the fractures induced or opened up by the high pressure injection stay open after the pressure is relieved - which is immediately after the pumper truck at the surface shuts down.
Then, fluids are allowed to flow back to the surface. This includes in the case of shale fracking (and other forms as well) some pretty potent brews. Of course, if the fracking is successful, oil or gas (or water), whatever we were after in the first place - also returns in volume. This return of fluids in volume actually lowers the reservoir pressure.
In disposal wells - it is different. Fluids are to be more or less permanently disposed of. The injection is somewhat analogous to fracking, in that these fluids of necessity must be injected under pressure sufficient to overcome the reservoir pressure - but here the analogy ends. The injection of these disposal fluids more or less continuously jacks up the reservoir pressure - unlike withdrawing valuable fluids from a producing well (which tends to deplete pressure).
This may be getting a bit tedious for the uninitiated - so I'll leave it at that.
Reservoir engineers - jump in if you dare. (I was an exploration wellsite geologist)
Please note in passing I am opposed to shale gas fracking - this is one of the unconventional sources of hydrocarbons which must be left in the ground - like the Canadian Tar Sands oil.
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Not being an engineer, I wonder if this little wrinkle is what allows for the claim that fracking doesn't produce earthquakes. (It's the fluid disposal injections that cause them.)
Reminds me of the old joke about the 20-story fall that didn't kill the guy. (It was the quick stop at the end that killed him.)
It's not a wrinkel - it's wrong reporting.
In this case, fracking fluid is being injected into the wells, and so one might say "What's the diff?"
If we drawdown CO2 from the atmosphere, which has nothing to do with fracking - one of the ways of disposing of the CO2 would be in disposal wells - which might also cause earthquakes.
And it's just plain wrong to be wrong - and not admit it !
As I have said in other articles - denial appears endemic to mankind - CD progressives included.
Manysummits
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And you're welcome - my time is obviously of no consequence - no thanks required
But, doesn't fracking necessitate fluid disposal by injection? Hence, my analogy.
After a day goes by and you had already posted some comments on the thread, you just noticed what the (first) paragraphof the article says... Interesting.
Btw, there are over 170 wells being fracked in Ohio,
I am opposed to fracking, and to the irresponsible extension of the fossil-fuel age. But I am disappointed when so many of those opposed grasp at scientifically unsupported conclusions.
I can find no credible science explaining how an activity so many orders of magnitude smaller and shallower than tectonics is resulting in anthropogenic earthquakes. We will only transcend the short-sightedness and greed of the present age through the advance of reason. When we leap to collective conclusions without clear understanding, and when we join in the cacophony of baseless sensationalism, we discredit and harm particular causes,and political engagement and activism in general, and over the long term.
Increasingly polluting the conscious collective environment with junk science may become even more harmful than our pollution of the natural environment, because this ignorant crescendo numbs and dumbs us into confusion, irrationality, apathy, and inaction in confronting the greatest and most defining issues of our times.
All too true, but sometimes "collective conclusions" don't need sophisticated science to be correct. When there's a forest fire, we all run like heck in the other direction. Simple cause & effect often suffices for adequate conclusions of danger. The fact that western science consistently denigrates anecdotal evidence as meaningless has been a hindrance to progress occasionally. How many times do we have to see the same thing happen to make a conclusion that it's dangerous?
That certainly doesn't mean that we start pulling erroneous conclusions out of our nether regions. But when there's no time to waste, god-given common sense is a considered resort.
~~hypewaders~~ you wrote, quote,,, > ("I am disappointed when so many of those opposed grasp at scientifically unsupported conclusions. I can find no credible science explaining how an activity so many orders of magnitude smaller and shallower than tectonics is resulting in anthropogenic earthquakes.").. End Quote.
Are you a scientists ~~hypewaders~~,,, what field of study ?
Scientists/geologists whom are officials who work for the Ohio government, stated the following,,, quote,, > ( McDONALD, Ohio (AP) — "Officials said Saturday they believe the latest earthquake activity in northeast Ohio is related to the injection of wastewater into the ground near a fault line, creating enough pressure to cause seismic activity.") .. End quote.
When geologists in Youngstown, Ohio state there was "little doubt" the quakes are tied to injection wells used to dispose of fracking waste deep underground, they are certain that fracking is causing earthquakes... Then they should be taken very seriously and you really should not be disappointed that others like most of us here believe them.
If you know of some scientific proof that states otherwise, it would be nice if you would share it with us and perhaps also notify the Ohio officials,,, unless what you wrote and posted here is just that you're wading through some hype. .
I'm following the stories with interest as far as they lead, with hopes of learning the geology of anthropogenic seismicity. Any reasonable observer acknowledges many ground-shaking industries whose activities can be measured by seizmometer- but that's not the same as inferring that major quakes have been or are likely to be caused by fracking. John Armbruster of Columbia University is the most prominent scientist giving interviews to the media. The nearest thing to a white paper on this topic that I have found so far is Holland, 2011- and if that's near (as I perceive it to be) to the present scientific consensus then activists and media really don't know enough to be authoritatively warning about frackquakes:
http://www.ogs.ou.edu/pubsscanned/openfile/OF1_2011.pdf
"Determining whether or not earthquakes have been induced in most portions of the
stable continent is problematic, because of our poor knowledge of historical earthquakes, earthquake processes and the long recurrence intervals for earthquakes
in the stable continent. In addition understanding fluid flow and pressure diffusion in the unique geology and structures of an area poses real and significant challenges."
I've been interested for some years in the potential for keeping the pressure from rebuilding along major fault lines after major earthquakes and over the long term. There is much evidence showing that high-pressure injections and explosions along stressed fault lines can trigger earthquakes, which is to say such interventions can release energies larger than applied. Controlling major seismic events predictably appears far beyond present technology. We can expect and should demand energy corporations and regulators to avoid fracking along major fault lines, as they have been doing. As for recent warnings that fracking is likely to trigger damaging earthquakes anywhere the wells are drilled, there just isn't scientific proof supporting such a claim, and those of us opposed to fracking would serve the cause better by staying on message with the environmental concerns that are more clearly understood (aquifer contamination).
Extraordinary claims of fracking as a trigger of major seismic events require extraordinary evidence. Recent alarmism on this subject falls far short of even preliminary science, namely formulating clear and appropriate questions for research. As I already mentioned, our credibility as activists and environmentalists is so very important if we really do seek the triumph of reason and justice over greed and environmental crimes.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/megaqk_facts_fantasy.php
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2011/11/07/experts_okla_quakes_too_powerful_to_be_man_made/
I apologize for my present inability to maintain whitespace in my posts- (paragraph breaks). I'm trying to figure it out.
OK ~hypewaders~, you quote one scientists who says "there is no proof" that fracking causes earthquakes and many geologists who say fracking most certainly does cause earthquakes and they explain in scientific terminology exactly how and why that happens.
Did it ever ocur to you the scientist you quote may be playing footsie with the oil companies? There have been a few scientists and professors who were paid up to ten thousand bucks by Exxon to write papers and have TV interviews on news programs saying that global warming is a hoax.
Do you or the scientist you quote have proof fracking does not cause earthquakes?
Now that fracking 178 oil/gas wells in Ohio has started and numerous earthquakes have occurred since that has begun, one may strongly suspect there is a connection... And Ohio is not the only place this is happening.
Then when many geologists in the state say there is no question that fracking is causing earthquakes they probably should be listened to... But maybe not, at least one scientist says fracking isn't causing earthquakes, because no one has proved it does.
The geologists have (only proven) exactly how and why fracking most certainly can cause earthquakes and earthquakes are now occurring since the fracking has begun... 2+2 = 4.