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Too Late to Contain Killer Flu Science, say Experts
Attempts to censor details of controversial influenza experiments that created a highly infectious form of bird-flu virus are unlikely to stop the information from leaking out, according to scientists familiar with the research.
The US Government has asked the editors of two scientific journals to refrain from publishing key parts of research on the H5N1 strain of bird-flu in order to prevent the information falling into the hands of terrorists intent on recreating the same flu strain for use as a bioweapon. Scientists yesterday condemned the move. The US Government has asked the editors of two scientific journals to refrain from publishing key parts of research on the H5N1 strain of bird-flu in order to prevent the information falling into the hands of terrorists intent on recreating the same flu strain for use as a bioweapon.
However, scientists yesterday condemned the move. Some said that the decision comes too late because the information has already been shared widely among flu researchers, while others argued that the move could obstruct attempts to find new vaccines and drugs against an infectious form of human H5N1 if it appeared naturally.
Professor Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey, said that the research, which was funded by the US Government, should never have been done without first assessing the risks and benefits.
“The work posed risks that outweighed benefits and that were clearly foreseeable before the work was performed,” Professor Ebright said.
“The work should have been reviewed at the national or international level before being performed, and should have been restricted at a national or international level before being performed,” he said.
Two teams of researchers, one led by Ron Fouchier of Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam and the other by Yoshihiro Kawaoke of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, have submitted manuscripts on bird-flu virus to the journals Nature and Science. In them, they describe how they deliberately mutated the H5N1 strain of bird-flu into an “airborne” strain that can be transmitted in coughs and sneezes between laboratory ferrets, the best animal “model” of human flu.
In an unprecedented move, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH), which funded both projects, requested the deletion of key details of the methodology and viral genetic sequences from the manuscripts prior to publication. It did so following recommendations of its own independent advisers on the US National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity.
Professor Paul Keim, chairman of the biosecurity board, said that the request to withhold certain details of the research is not the same as censorship and, although it sets a precedent in the biological sciences, it is common in other areas of science where there is potential for dual use of research in both civil and military applications.
“The US Government doesn’t have the legal authority to stop these publications. They have requested that the journals and scientists refrain from publishing the full details of their work, at this time,” Professor Keim said.
“It is hard to call that censorship. If the data and methods are restricted by the authors and journals, it is a voluntary action on their part. I also think that it is the responsible action for the current situation, and so does the US Government,” he said.
However, Dr Fouchier at the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam said that although his institute has agreed to abide by the voluntary restrictions on publication, he said it will be almost impossible to guarantee the confidentiality of the information given that the scientific data has already been shared with hundreds of researchers and governments in open scientific meetings.
Flu scientists in Britain, meanwhile, said that it is doubtful whether the details of the two experiments can be kept secret even if Science and Nature agree to the redaction of key parts of the scientific manuscripts – which they seem to have accepted.
“The exact mutations that made this transformation possible were not particularly novel or unexpected so anyone with a reasonable knowledge of influenza virology could probably guess at them if they so wished,” said Wendy Barclay, professor of influenza virology at Imperial College London.
“I’m very wary that information should be withheld from the scientific literature because we move forward by sharing information. It’s important to know if viruses such as H5N1 are capable of tolerating the mutations that would allow human-to-human transmission,” Professor Barclay said.
“We need to know the mutations to look our for. If we don’t know what the mutations are that make the virus more transmissible, we won’t know what to look out for when we monitor the spread of new flu viruses. This type of information is generated for a good reason – it’s to help us to be prepared,” she said.
Professor John Oxford, a flu expert at Queen Mary University of London, agreed: “The study by Fouchier is a huge service to all of us because it reminds us of how wafer thin the barrier is between a benign H5N1 virus and one that could spread easily. The 120 WHO flu labs around the world can use the DNA sequence information to identify and stop the spread of new H5N1 variants.”
Dangerous science: Discoveries for good – and bad
Nuclear physics
The splitting of the atom and the science of sub-atomic physics led to the development of nuclear power and advances in nuclear medicine, such as MRI scanners. It also helped the advance of nuclear weapons based on nuclear fission (A-bombs) and thermonuclear fusion (H-bombs).
Rocket technology
The development of rockets in the 1950s led to man's first landing on the moon. Since then rockets have placed countless civilian satellites in orbit, as well as powering space probes. But rockets are also the key delivery system for intercontinental ballistic missiles that carry nuclear warheads.
Neuroscience
Many areas of neuroscience have potential dual-use capabilities. For example, drugs that induce semi-conscious states may have legitimate medical uses, but they could also be used as incapacitating agents in military applications, to induce panic, pain, depression or delirium.
Molecular biology
Advances in DNA technology and genetic engineering, which have allowed scientists to reconstruct the genomes of simple organisms, have produced many benefits, from new vaccines to pest-resistant crops. But molecular biology could also be used to produce "weaponized" viruses and microbes that could kill large numbers of people.

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Show AllUmmm, it probably *was* reviewed at the highest levels, and green-lighted as the thanatocrats wet dream of a project.
" In them, they describe how they deliberately mutated the H5N1 strain of bird-flu into an “airborne” strain that can be transmitted in coughs and sneezes between laboratory ferrets, the best animal “model” of human flu."
And the taxpayers funded this. How Orwellian.
Had to replace the "Bin Laden" election tapes with something, now didn't we? Leave it to the "political weasels".
with you all the way!
an “airborne” strain that can be transmitted by drone. What hath GOP wrought?
these are certainly times that inspire the imagination...
a riot cop's vest that can either make you stop breathing, or force you to inhale this...
The GOP? Do you think the GOP is in charge of scientific research grants? Stop your dualistic thinking.
there are movies about this:
I fear my own government, not terrorists
Scary stuff. Read a book recently on "bio-terrorism' which took the position that we (the US) lack the infrastructure to deal with a serious naturally occurring killer virus, much less some man-made doomsday virus. Not sure how I felt about the conclusions drawn, but one thing stuck out like the proverbial sore thumb. Under Bush, funding for "research experiments" was increased on the order of 10x's (1000%).
The usual "we're at war w/ terrorism" blather accompanied the demand for this increase.
Anybody who thinks for a moment that experiments, funded by 'our' gov't, which mutate the bird flu to go airborne are somehow conducted with an eye toward protecting us from 'terrorists' is already 'infected'.
The sociopaths that already murdered 3000+ citizens in the false flag op will not hesitate to use a 'weapon' such as this if expedience (in their warped paradigm) dictates. Perhaps 'thinning the herd' is their answer to global warming. Who knows.
When their gated communities turn into domed communities, I guess that will be our cue to bust out the duct tape.
From PNAC Sept 2000 'New Pearl Harbor' Doc: 'Advanced forms of biological warfare
that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm
of terror to a politically useful tool...' IE: Avian flu that has been weaponized via bio-engineering -OR- Remember the Anthrax Attacks which began just 1 week after 9-11 - The anthrax in those attacks also was an 'advanced form of biological warfare that transformed biological warfare from the realm of terror [at first they claimed it came from Al-Qaeda &/or Saddam] to a politically useful tool [right after the anthrax attacks they were able to ram thru the {un}Patriot Act]...' which was proven to have come from the US' own bio-weapons research prog!
And if it is weaponized and a vaccine is developed, I wonder who would be vaccinated, and who not.
Overpopulation and easy access to travel could dwarf the outbreak of 1918.
So, when does the Yankee Flu Epidemic get kicked off? The Spanish Flu killed nearly twice the number of those who died in the trenches of WWI, how many are these 'researchers' going to kill?
Dangerous science: Discoveries for good – and bad [IE: The Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good & EVIL].
Nuclear Science: {NOT} Good: Nuke fission reactors -> 3 Mile Island, Chernobyl & now Fukushima, {Not so} Good: Nuclear medicine, X Rays, CAT & MRI Scans - all expose the body to doses of potentially cell damaging radiation.
Rocket Tech: {Not So} Good NASA's Space-Race Moon-landing [what did that really accomplish except spending {wasting} $Billions] & Satellites [2 edged Sword: For every weather & communications satellite there are how many military / spy satellites & platforms?!] - FYI: Make no mistake about it NASA was & is basically a military prog [note how many astronauts & cosmonauts past & present are military officers]. Most rocket Technology was dual-use so Corps could make extra money for helping the Gov't w its ICBM missile & spy-satellite progs.
Neuro-Science: Look-up the development of Heroin, Cocaine, LSD [the CIA's MK-ULTRA], Mescaline, Ecstasy, & Crystal Meth. Big Pharma &/or Gov't finger prints are all over the genesis [& even the proliferation & distribution] of most of these dangerous drugs.
Bio-Engineering: Well I'm glad the author admits that genetic engineering can be used to make new bio-weapons or weaponize new resistant strains of old plagues. BUT does he really think that the proliferation of Monsanto's Round-up ready soy & corn is a GOOD THING??!! Or that splicing human DNA w Animal DNA or Plant & Animal DNA is A GOOD THING??!!
stop the information from leaking out!
“I’m very wary that information should be withheld from the scientific literature because we move forward by sharing information. . .”--Wendy Barclay, professor of influenza virology at Imperial College London
i second that, wendy! thomas jefferson opined that "information is the true currency of democracy" and if we the people wish at long last to discover the path leading to a sustainable, free and meaningful community, know we cannot find our way led by lies or half-truths. ignorance is not bliss!
Somewhere in the bowel of America that is the Pentagon some people are, if they haven't already started, salivating at the thought of getting some projects going to weaponize this thing.
Captain Trips, where are you?
James Bond and Dr No? However, I think there was a connection from the plague in the late middle ages that set the stage for the growth of the industrial age. Population is now about 7 billion and the economies are in trouble world wide. Historically I think war is not as effective as disease at reducing populations. There is probably some secret policy paper inside the CIA that covers all of this.
~Historically I think war is not as effective as disease at reducing populations.~
"to the victor go the spoils!"
yep, curtis and the forceful taking of the spoils always results in a population increase.
". . . refrain from publishing key parts of research on the H5N1 strain of bird-flu in order to prevent the information falling into the hands of terrorists intent on recreating the same flu strain for use as a bioweapon."
The U.S. military is the biggest terrorist group on the planet. Life on Earth has been a button push from extinction for generations thanks to their paranoid and evil calculations.
Remember the swine flu outbreak of 2008? Wasn't that sourced to a lab? Remember the anthrax used in the attacks of October 2001, which was definitively traced to a US Arm lab? Remember after 9/11, when a lot of epidemiologists mysteriously died? Maybe I'm paranoid, but I do not trust the govt., its motives for doing this research, or wanting some of it held back from the public.
Indeed. And let's not forget the origin of this warfare in the US with the deliberate spread of small pocks infested blankets to the First Nations and much later the hepatitis B vaccine linked to the AIDS virus. Finally, developing vaccines against such experiments, given the fact of the for-profit at all costs mentality in the US, it will only benefit those who can afford it.
The Anthrax Attack that hastened our invasion of Iraq and War on Terror actually was NOT traced to a US Army Lab. Leading experts all conclude that the Anthrax spores used were too sophisticated to be produced at the Army's Ft Detrick by Bruce Ivans. Obama refused to reopen the FBI investigation because he claimed he didn't want to bring disrespect to the FBI. What does that mean?
The only Labs capable of producing such spores are private labs. The US has outsourced the capability to produce such bio weapons. This is scary, all by itself. The consideration that one of them is responsible for the wave of terror caused by the anhrax attack is simply terrifying.
John LeCarre wrote 'The Constant Gardiner' to bring some attention to drug testing that was going on unbeknownst to the native Africans by Big Pharma.
The accusation that the US was behind the AIDS epidemic by Rev. Jeremiah Wright et al, is not easy to dismiss given our government's continual mistreatment of all sorts of people.
If the government really wants to censor publication of this work, it can do so simply. All that is needed is to have NIH say that anyone who publishes the details or gives talks on them (which is the same as publishing them) will never get another NIH grant. That will shut down their labs and their careers, so it would be a very effective way to accomplish the goal.
But I doubt that NIH will do that or be told to do that. So what will happen? Will some obscure group send some biologists to work at these labs to learn how to create the virus, so it can be spread? Will a new Patriot act be passed to deal with this possibility, thereby shutting down biologic research everywhere?
I don't understand why the matter was publicized. That guaranteed that a variety of people will start trying to replicate the studies.
The answer to that sheepherder, is obvious. From past experience and actions of this terrorist government we have, publicizing this research assures that the blame can be shifted to "whomever" steals the research. It's a "cya" move. They have already done everything they stated they were afraid some terrorist group would do. They are the ultimate spin machine.
Propaganda, Inc. Sci-fi? Nope. It's reality coming to a neighborhood near you....just as soon as they figure out how to protect themselves first. Vaccine? You bet. They've been working on this for years now. Remember when there was a push to enforce mandatory vaccine inoculations a few years ago? Probably part of the research program on developing a new vaccine. We have been guinea pigs for years now.
"controversial influenza experiments"
contrafuckingversial!?
sick, more like.
who are the real terrorists?
The same terrorists who are in direct descent to the monsters that invaded Turtle Island and colonized much of the rest of the planet to benefit themselves.
I agree with Nixakliel.
"Dangerous science: Discoveries for good – and bad
Nuclear physics
The splitting of the atom and the science of sub-atomic physics led to the development of nuclear power . . ."
What a nutty thing for the reporter to write! Fukushima will be killing off Japanese citizens for the rest of my lifetime. Chernobyl caused anywhere from 400,000 to 1 million civilian casualties (although the low-paid pro-nuclear boiler room bloggers are free to spout that no single one of those casualties can be directly proved to have been killed by Chernobyl, just like with cigarettes causing lung cancer). How many entire countries does a good thing have to kill off before it's a bad thing?
Certain classes of "science" are guaranteed to cause the world trouble, are pretty much guaranteed to leak out, and research in them should be considered immoral. By dropping nuclear weapons and by boasting about how they were made, the United States essentially told the Soviets, "yes, these are possible, we won't hesitate to use them on you too, and look right here for the answers". As soon as the tank was "demonstrated" by the Brits to the Germans by running over one trench and calling it a day, the Germans knew how to build a tank. As soon as the U.S.A. left a stealth helicopter in Bin Laden's compound and someone took pictures of it, lots of countries learned how to do it, the exception being the Chinese who have already hacked into most U.S. military computers, snooping for documents.
The next banal and worthless thing that some human will do is make robots smarter than people, and then someone else will soon forget how to turn the smart robots off.
"the next banal and worthless thing that some human will do is make robots smarter than humans...". Robots are already smarter than humans. They have gotten smarter and humans have gotten stupider. Humans spend their time building, operating and servicing robots. They likely have better health care. But they can't beat us at everything. We're fatter.
Like "terrorists" are going to have the capability to generate this strain of the bird flu. The ONLY place someone is going to have that capacity is a lab with specialized equipment and reagents for making virus.
Actually, there's a real threat of bird flu from the unsanitary living conditions that allow for its post-mutation flu virus that's capable of species jumping from chickens to humans. We should be combating the sanitation issue if we're really worried about bird flu causing a pandemic.
WonderWoman,
Do you remember the Tami-flu, that was supposed to prevent different type influenzas? I think Rumsfeld made a lot of money on this medication. BTW, yesterday, @ english.cctv.com (English speaking Chinese TV - mostly deals with China/Japan...) they were saying that in China, they were killing chickens because at least one tested positive for bird flue, and they showed the stores, people were kinda upset because both customers/poultry farms because they couldn't really buy or sell the chickens. Interesting how right after this news broke, now, they are killing chickens due to positive tests of bird flu.
I didn't know that about Rumsfeld and Tami-flu! Very interesting.
Tis the season for flu, even in birds. I remember learning in one of my science courses many years ago that China is one of the hot spots for bird flu. It's the chickens that people raise that can host the virus until it mutates and possibly infects other species (pigs or humans). Living in close proximity to infected chickens increases the chances of the [constantly mutating] virus crossing the species barrier. Apparently, even today in China, a lot of farmers live with animals, and this allows for more "species jumping" of the virus. Industrial farming - and sanitation is an issue here, as well - appears to also heighten the risk of transmission of bird flu to humans. The threat of bird flu to humans could be minimized significantly by simply changing the living conditions of the birds and humans who raise them.
The strain that was lab created would require expertise in molecular biology to be replicated. Also, it would require a certain amount of protective equipment to prevent transmission of the virus to those who handle it. That stuff is expensive and requires a lot of maintenance. Only a bona fide lab could do that job.
Yes! That's out there on the internet, that Rumsfeld allegedly made about $5 million, and that Bush allegedly asked congress for about $7.1 billion for the prevention/treatment and for protection of vaccine makers, as well as allegedly asking congress for power to use military and law enforcement in the event of the flu outbreak. If I'm not mistaken, CD may have posted an article on the birdflu - they are normally pretty good at posting informative articles.
Something you may find interesting, is this article, Busted! Vira 38 Importer Arrested For Illegal Bird Flu "Prevention" that was written, I think 6-3-2011 @ http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/227462.php this article talks about a Charles Hensley that was allegedly arrested in 2005 and faces up to 20yrs in jail for trying to sell this drug without FDA approval - it also talks about the drug Zicam and Arizona.
Interesting - I'll look into your suggestions. I think our chief concern regarding the bird flu, anthrax, "plague" (yup, research is ongoing on yersinia pestis, as well), and smallpox is that our government is actively doing research on these pathogens AND has interest in creating bioweapons. Although I'm all for prevention of disease via vaccine, and a lot of research is going on on that front, I am very skeptical about some of the motives on the bioweapons front. Even in the area of hallucinogenic drug research, there are some folks who've figured out how to use aerosolized versions of those drugs for crowd control (as they can incapacitate people). That's messed up.
One good thing about it, though, is that if one of these things gets loose and kills off most of the human race (and puts a permanent end to our technological civilization as well), the rest of the animals that inhabit this planet will be happy!
Swimming in a sea of fear. Look, up in the sky. What is that unmarked jumbo jet spraying in a grid pattern over the land and sea? Don't worry it won't hurt for long. It's our duty to eliminate ourselves, so the animals will live happily ever after.
Shuda, woulda, coulda....our national epithet.
A few years ago in Texas, an old herpetologist gave a talk at a scientific awards program. When he stood up to speak, security had the cameras turned off.
He spoke to the effect that the human race would not survive at its current rate of expansion. He advocated labs to produce a marriage of something like the bird flu strain with Ebola. He estimated that by the time it ran its course, the human population would be down to less than a billion.
He got a standing ovation and was presented with some scientific excellence award! Afterwards, he was mobbed by students wanting to know how they could join the "crusade."
I read an article which stated that a frozen specimen of the Spanish Influenza virus had been thawed out and found to be as deadly if not deadlier than its first go around.
I'm sure that this garbage will not be intentionally released until an anti-virus is produced and stockpiled for the elite of the 0.1% and key minions. Remember, most of the elite feel that we are using too much of their resources just by living and breathing. A billion would give them all the serfs they need.
Was this necessary? Or was it intentional? In either event it was just fucking stupid.
An ironic twist: as the virulent bird flu goes viral, those whose genetics are more closely related to reptiles will be most at risk. The Zionists,the Neocons, the Federal Reserve Bankers, the CFR members, the political party leaders, and the media, will all most likely croak immediately, while the rest of us may get the sniffles for a day or so, and then will be free at last. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
Robber Baron Jay Gould said, I could pay half the working class to kill the other half. The boys in the back room are just kicking a few ideals around,no big deal, just talking. Besides we don't need to kill anyone, just fix it so they can't procreate.
Dumb, Dumb and Dumber.
Koch Bros'... " Hey Mr. President, dufus, listen up dummy... There are just to damn many people on this planet, you have to do something about it.. Get science working on it asap... That's an order." .... Phone clicks off.
Mr. President... "What do we do Dick? Co-on,, Daddy said you would help me."
Shotgun Dick... "Well Shrub, Aids hasn't helped like we had hoped, so I'll see if we can have the scientists develop something a lot more effective... Btw, you have to givee that victory speech on that aircraft carrier tomotrow, so you'd better practice some more and don't say anything sutpid either, ya got it."
The Shrub,,,, "Yes sir,,, I got it... But I already have it down pat.. Mission accomplished,,,, missions accompished,,,, mission accomplished."
Is that actually how our government works? _____ I think so, based upon what we see on a daily basis... How in the fuckk did this ever happen? __ If it was a movie it would be a box office flop, nothing could really be this insane... Well, it is though.
"one led by Ron Fouchier of Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam and the other by Yoshihiro Kawaoke of the University of Wisconsin-Madison"
And the USA is scared of self-detonating Muslims and Bradley Manning? I am a scientist. Those two idots should be hanged, drawn and quartered in public, with the details published in Nature, to discourage the others.
Makes me wonder how many chances and close calls a civilization gets before it finally does something so stupid that does it in.
The sheer hubris boggles the mind.
The moral of the story is that knowledge cannot be unlearned. The combination of this with drones is like a perfect storm against humanity. Maybe OWS should change its focus from money first to humanithy first. It's all about priorities.
Also a question - should OWS or any other group be trying to 'save' the USA economy? Would the world and humanity be better off if the US military/economic power was no longer a threat?
"Also a question - should OWS or any other group be trying to 'save' the USA economy?"
I don't get the sense that OWS is trying to save the USA economy, rosemarie. I get the sense that it is a broad reaction to the injustices this culture foists on the 99%. Actually, it foists it on the 100%, but those at the top can afford a strong umbrella, so it drips on the rest of us.
And you're right - knowledge cannot be unlearned. That doesn't mean that we can't use it wisely, it's just that we choose not to. Those pesky choices - such haunting sprites.
Ted Markow...Thanks, BUT why did OWS not become active until the economy went down. Injustices have been being committed by the USA for decades/centuries and too few noticed. Will 'fixing' the US economy end the injustice we impose on the rest of the world? Probably not.
I don't know why OWS did not become active before now. What did you do to help get it started?
My point is that things happen when it is their time to happen. If we are waiting for things to happen, then we are wasting our time. We either lend a hand, or we don't. Wondering why others took so long is wasted time.
As far as fixing the US economy, again, I don't think many in OWS want that, although, some may. Either way, there is no fixing the economy. At least, not in the long term. It is unsustainable and is running into the limits of unsustainable growth and debt. It simply has no more road to go down.
The proper question, IMO, is what are you and I going to do now? Not about the economy, but about ourselves.