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Tahrir Square Protest Continues to Grow
Cairo clashes cast doubts over Egypt vote
Protesters calling for Egypt's military to hand over power have beaten back a new raid by security forces to evict them from Cairo's Tahrir Square after more than 48 hours of violence in the heart of the Egyptian capital.
Security forces fired tear gas and attacked a makeshift field hospital on Monday morning, while protesters broke up pavements to hurl chunks of concrete at police.
Al Jazeera's Mike Hanna, reporting from Tahrir Square, said: "Throughout the morning plumes of tear gas are rising over houses. There are sporadic clashes happening around the outskirts of the square."
The violence has been some of the worst since the overthrow of Hosni Mubarak in February when Tahrir Square was the major rallying point for protesters during the 18-day uprising that ended the former president's three decades of power.
Egypt's health ministry said at least 22 people have been killed and 1,500 wounded in clashes between government forces and protesters in Cairo and other cities since Saturday, raising concerns over parliamentary elections due to begin later this month.
On Sunday, a press conference planned for Monday to detail how the election process would proceed was postponed with no new date set.
Several political parties and individual candidates said they were suspending their electoral campaign, raising concerns over whether the vote will go ahead or be postponed.
Back-and-forth battles
Police backed by army officers fired tear gas and charged demonstrators in the square as darkness fell on Sunday night, temporarily sending protesters fleeing.
Security forces burned down banners and video footage posted on the internet, which could not be independently verified, showed police beating protesters with sticks, pulling them by the hair and, in one case, dumping what appeared to be a corpse on piles of rubbish.
Demonstrators swiftly regrouped in side streets and returned to take control of the square during the night. Police tried again to retake Tahrir after dawn.
A makeshift field clinic was set up as injured protesters streamed in suffering from ammunition wounds from rubber-coated steel bullets, birdshots, and tear gas.
Late on Sunday, a deal was reached between Imam Mazhir Shahin, who led last Friday's prayers, and security officials allowing protesters to remain in the centre of the square as long as they didn't move to government buildings around the perimeter of the plaza.
Even so, clashes on also took place near Cairo's interior ministry and in major cities throughout Egypt, including the major population centres of Alexandria and Suez.
Protesters clashed with police on the streets of Alexandria late on Sunday and in the city's neighbourhood of Smouha protesters pelted police with stones. In response, police fired canisters of teargas in a bid to disperse angry crowds.
"The confrontations that we saw here overnight were very intense, with the people on the street telling us there is no doubt now that the military has shown its true colours," Al Jazeera's Rawya Rageh said, reporting from Alexandria.
Swift transition
Egyptians are scheduled to elect a new parliament in a staggered vote that starts on November 28. Yet, even when the assembly is picked, executive powers would remain with the army until a presidential election, which may not happen until late 2012 or early 2013. Protesters want a much swifter transition.
The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), Egypt's ruling council, repeated its commitment to its "roadmap" for transition and expressed "sorrow" over the situation.
"We are all insisting on having the election on time; the government, parties and the Supreme Council of the Armed
Forces," Mohamed Hegazy, a cabinet spokesman, told the Reuters news agency.
Major General Said Abbas, the deputy head of the central military, told protesters and press near Tahrir Square that people have the right to protest and the SCAF is committed to hand over authority.
The security crackdown on protesters elicited condemnation from parties across the political spectrum; from Mohamed ElBaradei, a presidential hopeful and head of the National Association for Change, to the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party.
There have also been repeated calls for the formation of the National Salvation Council which would take over from the military.
ElBaradei said on a late-night talk show: "The prime responsibility for the situation of the country is the SCAF, who [has] admitted they cannot run the country.”
Abdel Moneim Aboul Foutouh, a longtime Muslim Brotherhood member, who was also on the talk show blamed the SCAF for maintaining an ambiguous political position and called on the military council to publish a clear plan for a power handover.
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Show All"...while protesters broke up pavements to hurl chunks of concrete at police." Take note Americans, rocks are free and at your feet!
You first, just to see how it works in America, or wherever you live.
I live in Texas. Am I right in assuming that wherever you live cops are allowed to beat up old ladies underneath a shower of rose petals thrown by residents of your local Ashram?
How many dead and injured - and you focus on free rocks?
I am focusing on what appears to work and what does not work. Right now free rocks and good aim seem to be what is working. I never expected people to NOT die in the revolution, although I do note and morn them.
Egyptian police are not militarized. Sadly, ours are, in both weapons and tactics. Check out their behavior at the OWS demonstations around the country. Forcing sitting demonstrators' mouths open to paper-spray down their throats, pepper-spraying eyes of peaceful demonstrators--all of whom were safely behind barricades. And check out their weapons; they have every damn thing that the army has, now, and they are trained more for combat than for peace-keeping. This was Bush-Cheney's doing but it's being used right now and will continue until someone calls STOP!
How on earth do you think that STOP! is going to happen? They won't give up those military weapons because of pleas and peaceful protests.
You're a disgrace to the memory of Alan Watts.
You being an ass has nothing to do with your claims or concerns.
I could care less.
I've read your posts for a very long time AlanWatts4Ever...I don't understand why you're being attacked in this fashion! Cut the guy some slack will ya???????
Wheee!
"Meet the new boss
same as the old boss"
The Who
Looks like this is where the rubber meets the road. The elimination of Mbarak was cosmetic, like wiping the lip stick off the pig. The pig remains and intends to remain and if there is going to be a real change it's going to be a long, bloody struggle. The Egyptians seemed to have learned that democracy has few friends in high places. The neo-liberal states all across the globe have been engaged for a long time in contriving the death of democracy where ever it happens to pop up and with considerable success. The outrage and violence being demonstrated in Egypt is what is going to be neccessary anywhere and everywhere liberty seeks a home. There has never been any other way. As an old American, I praise those courageous people and fervently hope that Providence provides them with the fortitude to prevail over their domestic and foreign oppressors.
Perfectly stated, wexxton.
And while we're on the subject, let's once and for all collapse the non-violence vs. violence debate, which is a misnomer anyway, so I'm changing the vernacular slightly to make my point:
Non-agressive civil disobedience is sometimes a powerful and perfectly appropriate political/revolutionary tactic, and for some people it's just how they've chosen to operate all the time based on their spirituality, and SELF-DEFENSE or rather COMMUNAL DEFENSE is sometimes a powerful and perfectly appropriate political/revolutionary tactic, and is also an instinct for communal/individual survival and a critical role that some people are willing to fill.
To me, communal defense does not necessarily mean killing or even physically harming. There are hundreds of creative ways to stop a physical attack. Jeez, aren't there any martial artists on this forum? Can we take all that ancient wisdom of disabling and re-directing violent attack and apply it to...forget "taking back our country"...how about taking back each of our millions of small, kinship communities around the globe, each community taking back its land, its water, its respect for the planet that sustains us.
Do we realize how deep this revolution really goes?
Let's go all the way!
Here's a posting I made in reply to one "Trask" on a different thread. It's apropos.
"Excellent, Trask. I wholeheartedly agree! So, lets get down to brass tacks, shall we? First order of business should be accepting that there is a need to strike back. It's hard as hell for dogmatic peaceniks to let go of the idea that defense =/= violence. So, if you want to learn how to protect yourselves, the first order of business is to accept the idea that it's okay to do so.
Next order of business is to study small group tactics and successful guerrilla fighters from the past. Regardless of how overwhelming the propaganda is against you fighting back, any enemy can be beaten. Research the concepts of bottle necks, chokepoints and ambushes...then practice them. Practice maneuvering, prior to your protest and during the time that the pigs aren't attacking you, so if they open fire or attack you, you're not milled into an ambush site. When you attend your protests, armor yourselves. Even thick leather with a soft foam or cloth backing, can protect you from blunt force trauma, very effectively. Gloves, arm guards, shin guards, steel toed shoes/boots, gas masks and armor plating can be improvised by stuff you find in a garbage heap and will at least give you time to rally to a predetermined point and reorganize.
Another point I want to make. You really...really don't want to be fighting the police in the streets. Very stupid. However, as serfs and peasants learned during the Middle Ages, a heavily armored opponent can't fight very well from the ground. So, knock them down and get away! Use batons, shillelagh or cudgels (sticks basically) to push them over or knock them down. Just as they organize into rows to buttress the ones in front, do the same. A broomstick, combined with a small brake rotor (thus spreading the force over a larger area) and pushed by 3 protestors at the same time, will push any man down on his back. Each protest should have at least two cohorts; a front line and a rear guard. The front line should be well trained in defense (not killing the pigs on the street but, defensive tactics) and well armored yet mobile. The rear guard should be highly mobile, lightly armored and able to protect the front line protestors from an attack from the rear, as well as retreating protestors (the elderly, injured and other non-defenders). Slings or other projectile launchers, throwing sticks and other distance weapons are great rear guard protection/hindering devices.
There. You've just received The Black Anarch's five minute symposium on effective protest defense. There's no guarantees against being hurt, if you put yourselves out there to be hurt but, even utilizing some of these tactics, you could survive to protest another day. Black Anarch out."
Junebug, I want to give you kudos for just being willing to even discuss the topic. Most of the time, I, who has been a member of CD for nearly 3 years now, get accused of being an agent provocateur or an armchair anarchist, for even bringing up the topic of self/communal defense. So, be aware that you might be attacked by the dogmatic peaceniks that seem to inhabit CD's boards.
Black_Anarch sez: " I, who has been a member of CD for nearly 3 years now, get accused of being an agent provocateur or an armchair anarchist..."
""The first lesson in activism is that the person that offers to get the dynamite is always the FBI agent," joked Judi Bari. "
http://www.judibari.org/America's_Secret_Police.html
"The second lesson in activism is that eventually you have to actually DO something. Drum circles, burning incense and shouting 'shame' at people who feel none, doesn't count for shit. -- The Black Anarch
I can post pithy quotes too and I have just as much authority on this subject as Judi Bari and possibly more. Don't get me wrong, ctrl-z, do I think that protestors are wrong headed for not defending themselves? Fuck yeah, I do. But, if you think I'm going to offer you any weapons or encourage you to do anything more than a mother squirrel has the instinct to do, you're sadly wrong. Besides, you'll may find out later on that my posts, provocative as they may seem today, may come to be a life saver tomorrow.
I'm sure Hillary is going to come up with another gem of creative gibberish.
I wish OWS would act like this, hell, they'd have to pull troops off the front lines to quell the dissent, effectively stopping the war machine. What are we waiting for? You think you're gonna live forever?! I'm heading over to my local OWS to see what they think about actual resistence.
And sadly, the last of the Oakland OWS camps was cleared out last night so that now there is no Occupy occupying Oakland. (although they are still there to fight another day...). In San Francisco they have quartered the size of the encampment on Justin Herman Plaza and evicted the rest that were on Market Street and in front of the Fed. What now?
Walk like an Egyptian, that's what.
And sadly, the last of the Oakland OWS camps was cleared out last night so that now there is no Occupy occupying Oakland. (although they are still there to fight another day...). In San Francisco they have quartered the size of the encampment on Justin Herman Plaza and evicted the rest that were on Market Street and in front of the Fed. What now?
So is Obama going to make another statement about "fighting for freedom and democracy" in regard to this -- or will he sit on the sidelines and put his finger up in the air to decide which direction the wind is blowing before making a statement?
And if he does, perhaps at the same time he can explain why it's okay for his DOJ and DHS to work with the odious Bloomberg, et al to violently quash the OWS demonstrations. On the other hand he'll probably quip "Well, they didn't permits," or some such twaddle.
I am afraid that what is happening in Eygpt is what will have to happen over here. I am not surprised about what is happening in Egypt -- it was a foregone conclusion based on who was at the top of the military heap and the for power being in the hands of a few being what it is ...
Looks like new York, looks like Wisconsin, looks like the Koch brothers, looks like Grover Norquist, fox news, Carl roves, Murdock, Scott walker, Rick Scott, my god do they have republicans too? Billionaires protecting billionaires? Looks like America, where is the Wallmart store?
No, no Walmart. There are very few big box stores, and most chains are European, although the US fast-food chains are here. And if there are any Egyptian billionires they don't live in Egypt, and they didn't make their billions here either, unless they stole it from the public coffers via their best friend Mubarak. I'm sitting in Cairo right now, and believe me, it doesn't look anything like the US. It is a proud culture struggling to throw off decades of oppression, poverty, corruption and crumbling infrastructure. That's why you can get 400,000 people to show up at short notice in the city center to risk their life for a better future. You've gotta be that hungry, that angry and that thirsty for freedom.
Hi Junebug, I've gotta say, I love your posts! My parents lived in Cairo for 6 years (during the height of Mubarak's power) and I've been there many times...and believe me, I never ever thought I would live to see the day when ordinary Egyptians rose up like this because to me, an outsider, they just seemed so resigned to their "fate"! It just goes to show, the powers that be underestimate the resolve of the people at their own peril. I also think Black Anarch makes some valid points on how to fight back and defend ourselves against the police et al...take heed people, you might need this information one day when you decide enough is enough, Egyptian-style.
If elections were forth coming why the Protest?
The election next week is only for parliament members. The election for executive is at least a year away, maybe more or maybe never. That is what the protest is about.
We must demand that the Obama Administration immediately cut off all aid to the Egyptian military. They are largely propped up by our tax $.
Let's demand that the sun not set too.
Nice to see the guardians of peace are already trying to slander people who identify and encourage people to defend themselves. Too bad Ward Churchill was already thrown under the bus.
I've noticed this trend also...interesting ain't it? Continue with your message AlanWatts4Ever, they can call you names or whatever but your message is on-point and well-taken (same as Junebug and Black Anarch). The guardians of peace have no idea what they are up against and what it will take to overcome this state of affairs. Aluta continua!