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Ron Paul, Tea Party Godfather, Says ‘Occupy’ All About ‘Handouts'
CARROLL, Iowa -- Ron Paul outlined what he believed was the difference between “Occupy Wall Street” and the “Tea Party.”
Rightwinger Ron Paul on the Occupy Wall Street protesters: "They’re scared to death they won’t get their handouts." “Some are demonstrating, because they’re scared to death they won’t get their handouts,” Paul said yesterday. “And the other half are demonstrating, because they’re sick and tired of paying for it. I’m on the side of sick and tired of paying for it.”
Paul's popularity has risen since 2008 largely because of the Tea Party. He doesn't lead in polling in any state, but he is routinely in the top three in states like Iowa and New Hampshire.
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Show AllMany of the landowners I know, received their property out of a handout called inheritance. How many people worked and slaved to own their house? - Most of those got foreclosed upon! For the ones it easy, how hard did they work? It is easy to support landowners because the land will always be valuable. What about the least amongst us? Here we support "land owners" (title holders). Around the World we are murdering the land owners and tribal occupants. Hypocrites. That is what all professional politicians are. Ick, the whole lot of them!
So much for dealing with the devil -
All I can say is I'm glad RP is retiring - hopefully he can fade away into obscurity.
A few differences I see between the Teabaggers and OWS:
1. OWS see that both corporations and the gov are to blame - because Wall street has bought off the politicians. Teabaggers want to limit Only gov - which leads to increasing the strength of the corps.
2 the teabaggers were a bunch of blue hairs - OWS has all ages
3 the teabaggers showed up for a corporate sponsored event and then went home a few hours later - OWS has Stayed.
4. OWS is happening all over America - and each protest is gathering thousands upon thousands - The teabaggers events happen at a few select places and only a small % show up compared to the OWS crowd numbers.
5. The teabaggers were supported by the corporations and hence received Way More press coverage than their small numbers warranted. OWS has only started receiving press as it has grown so large that the press can no longer ignore them.
I could go on and critique the problem with RP and the idiotic teabaggers and their homogeneous crowds but why bother.
Go Away Ron Paul and good riddence - your ideas are based on darwinism and do nothing but furthur empower the corporate predators. Go pray to that looney bad author who worsipped a serial killer and lived off welfare.
I have to disagree, these are the democratic talking points about the Tea Party but in my opinion I'm afraid that just as the democrats they are less than correct.
1. They are indeed mostly older than 35 and that makes them more dangerous as they have far more money and expertise available to them.
2. They are furious with the banks and financial institutions along with the government. I have noted little attention to governments involvement by OWS.
3. The Tea Party has gathered all around the country in small groups and continue to today to actively impact policy and candidates in the Republican party. Looks to me as if they have succeeded a bit.
4. Tea Party folks far outnumber the OWS group at this time. And they are pretty much organized and somewhat focused.
5. The fantasy that the Tea Party is a Corporate invention is just that, a fantasy.
The Carthaginians among many others underestimated their enemy, met any Carthaginians lately?
Always arguing to strengthen the points made by conservatives, yet you portray yourself as a liberal? West of Centrist? And the constant changes of name are about as disingenuous as the level of honesty presented in your posts. Regardless of the facts or data others present to you, you revert back to the same state-propaganda-supporting positions. In this thread, you're lending legitimacy to the Tea Party while undercutting the value of the far more brave citizens involved with OWS. Your loyalties are more twisted than a pretzel, but I suspect that all those years spent in the marines may have done that to you...
Here's another take on those points:
1.The Tea Party appeals to a limited demographic and has definitely peaked in terms of popular support. OWS is growing wildly and according to opinion polls is much more popular than the teabaggers.
2. The Tea Party has done NOTHING to rein in the banks. Their corporate masters have re-directed that energy. OWS is attacking the banksters head on!
3. Yes they have suceeded in pushing the Republicans to the right, but they've also been pegged as conservative extremists in the minds of the general public. Their movement has peaked.
4. Teabaggers far outnumber OWS supporters? Prove that one! I think at this point it's impossible to accurately count the activists on either side, but again in public support OWS wins hands down.
5. That's debatable. Didn't the Tea Party get going on a commodities trading floor? Regardless, the Tea Party was captured by corporate money early on and the anti-bank aspect of the movement was gutted as a result.
The Tea party is a part of the corporatocracy in the US. i don't think anyone here is underestimating that beast.
Tea Party = vertical structure; OWS = horizontal structure.
Caligula sez: "The Carthaginians among many others underestimated their enemy ..."
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I believe you've misspelled "misunderestimated".
More wise analysis. Thank you, Mt. Don!
One could say that the OWS congregations CARE about others and wish for a more humane world, while the tea baggers mantra might be, "Government: Take your hands off what's mine!" One represents the moral vision of a holistic peaceful world, the other exalts the ethos of secure gated communities, and woe to any left outside those pearly gates. The inclusion paradigm versus the exclusion paradigm, with the ticket to entry being none other than the fruits of Mammon... the very idol Christianity rails against placing before the Holy Spirit. Ironic, or another indication that Deception fully governs all aspects of our morally bankrupt land?
Ask Scott Olsen what the Occupy Movement is all about. Oh, that's right, you can't! His ability to have free speech was taken away by the fascist state right here at home.
He'd be able to write you the answer. ;)
Well said pjd412!
I know one of these self proclaimed "leftists" who IS for Ron Paul. And he's the same guy bitching about "socialism" and free lunches paid for by the government while he's taking his kid to a paid-for-by-the-state learning disability evaluation.
People just don't stop to think through how they, too, are the beneficiaries of the very programs this idiot, Ron Paul, one among many idiots, claims are "hand-outs".
We are getting dumber by the minute.
I'm just waiting to tell a couple of my friends and relatives, after they vote one of these insane righties in, and the real suffering hits them where it hurts, "I told you so!''
What a dolt! Where in the hell does he think he lives? I have said before and I will say it again. When some men get old and their dick dries up they get mean. It is everyone else out of the life boat but them.
And young mens dicks are foolish.
I hope some die hard RP supporter stops by for some abuse. My upper respiratory infection still has me in a bad mood.
Just another dogmatist who puts his "free market" religion ahead of the facts. Goodbye Mr. Paul ...
The problem lies here. Due to the slow and methodical destruction of the economy many who were skilled and educated members of our society find themselves at the mercy of a cracked and broken system (those les skilled were forced into a position they could not escape). Jobs have gone overseas and education (a financial ponzi in of itself) leaves what few jobs out there paying so little that assistance is critical for many. These skilled and educated workers end up finding themselves in the same position which is nearly impossible to escape. I have no doubt that the Phd physicists and mathematicians hired by wall street firms and contracted by the Federal Reserve (and banks) knew what was coming before the crisis hit. Mathematically it was a certainty and Game Theory will show that. Some use the term "there is opportunity in every crisis" and certainly this is no exception. There are those that do take advantage of the system like medicare fraud, mortgage fraud, MIC fraud etc.. A great many now have ruined lives and credit scores making it impossible to re-enter the system which is so broken that I wonder if it can ever be fixed. I will support Ron (although none of the above would be another great choice in all elections) and feel that the corruption from the top has "trickled down" into all facets of government. I have found nothing wrong with Ron and let me tell you I am an equal opportunity critic. What I do see is fear from the status quo and a bit of age discrimination. Just ask anyone who is over 45 looking for a job.
"I have found nothing wrong with Ron..." How can one even get mad at someone so out of touch. Life is strange.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/beyond-outrageous-–-steven-j-baum-halloween-party-photos-show-appalling-lack-respect-tow
I don't get your post, but I've already seen the photo of the 2 'homeless' girls.
A DOG: You've got some dyslexic reasoning go on there, pal. The first portion of your post defines MUCH of the problem(s) that ails U.S. Then, after recognizing the odds against finding work, etc. you go along with the political candidate most apt to kick the board out from under you? Ever hear of a little thing known as compassion? Or consider that a society is more prosperous when the rich don't own it all, and a basic quality of life is spread around? Because so many have ruined lives they need help... food stamps, government sponsored back to work programs, training for what jobs remain in the Homeland Security State, and REGULATION of those industries that have largely placed people into the very positions compromising their existences. Why, then, would you argue FOR an individual who would dismantle what's left of regulation, and place complete responsibility for matters that impact millions, onto the vulnerable shoulders of each individual?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-fortune-telling-family-allegedly-swindled-40-million/story?id=14324565
Interesting article but way off topic.
Ron Paul is way off too.
Ok, I'll play,
but I get to be the wheelbarrow,
standard american rules.
Top Hat always gets lucky early and nabs the light blues. One by one they drop, relinquish their cash, deeds, and seat at the board. Screw the Thimble and Iron. Toss them away like an Old Shoe or Cannon.
Commmercial Break:
"I'm Ron Paul and I've got mine."
Top Hat always ends up with all the paper titles and paper cash,
game over. Then what?
A New Game with New Standard Rules
Well now you've gone and proved your myriad critics correct!
You seem to be alleging that the suggestion to use paragraph breaks is an attempt at cultural opprrssion akin to the genocide pepetrated against Native Americans.
This would appear to be an attempt to exploit that horrible legacy to justify your own personal preferences and eccentricities.
Try not to hate the paragraph breaks. It's not there fault
I do agree with your signature sign off - life is good....
It sure beats the alternative.
How about "<", "p", ">", then?
Is that less disrespectful of Native Peoples? ;)
It is funny, I have met dozens of "Old Indians" personally, and not a one of them called themselves "this old indian" all the time like you do. They didn't constantly rage against every "white" person they met over the past like you do either.
What tribe or band are you?
You all must have been fierce back in the A.I.M. days.
When I was reading about Dr. Paul, it flashed through my mind that I hadn't seen a posting by ShadowDancer in a long time. And here you are. Maybe I haven't seen your posts because I haven't been reading much here lately. Anyway, it's always good to read what you have to say. And to get "my little fix" by your last line.
Every once in awhile this guy removes his mask, and what lies beneath ain't pretty.
Paul himself appears to be getting quite a few handouts at the Tax-Payer's expense. He should go back to being a creepy gynecologist.
Ever since I was about 12 years old I wanted to be a gynecologist (I had another name for it then). Unfortunately after 4 years in the 8th grade I had to give up on my dream. If those teachers had not been such assholes things might have been different. I think my bitterness is well deserved.
Ron Paul nemed his son, Rand Paul, after Ayn Rand. Folks, that is all I ever needed to know about Ron. Kinda like naming your son after Hitler and calling him Adolf Paul!
The nut doesn't fall far from the tree!
Randal Paul is not named after Ayn Rand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul
This should shut those "progressives" up who are constantly in here stumping for Ron Paul. No, they'll probably keep right on with their stupidity. If Paul thinks we shouldn't be meddling into and invading the Middle East, absolutely anything else he supports is perfectly fine. No abortion ever again, for any woman under any circumstances. Full speed ahead with the phony "free market" economy, free of any regulations, since there won't even BE a government under a Paul administration. They'll exist only to serve the interests of corporate capital, while we lay-abouts demonstrate to get our hand-outs, and the cops bust our undeserving heads. Oh yeah, Ron Paul is the answer to every dimwitted "progressive's" dream.
Thank you for sharing and expressing my angst regarding Ron Paul and his "progressive supporters".
This should not be any surprise to anyone on this site. Dr.Paul has been consistent in what he believes. But, Dr. Paul is as politically marginalized in the republican party as those left of center members in the democratic party..(Largely considered a fringe lunatic)
Like many of our comment writers here at cd, I have always been suspicious of those claiming to be supporters of policies that would be considered left of center promoting Dr.Paul's vision of effective government.
Take care everyone
Thomas Gilbert-
Denruter,You do understand that my suspicions had to do with those who claimed to support the notion of a functioning social democracy while at the same time advocating the national leadership of Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul stands in direct opposition to any notion of such a compassionate national vision.The opposite of a liberal democracy is an authoritarian state.Thomas Gilbert-
"we have a Constitutional Republic. "
Yes we do...in the context of a liberal democracy....
Thomas Gilbert-
Denruter,
I give up...You want to rant and rave...Not me....
Take care
Thomas Gilbert-
Denruter
OK, you put down Liberals and Progressives, so what do you consider yourself to be and do you have any leaders that you like?
Some years back, when I was looking for a political party I could feel comfortable being a part of, one that shared my values, I checked out the Libertarian Party's webpage, and came away feeling like it was a bunch of crazies. So while I once posted here that I liked what Ron Paul had to say about something, I wouldn't want him or anyone like him as the President. The closest any of the parties came to being what I was looking for was the Green Party.
Shadre,
I understand exactly what you are saying. Dr.Paul takes a stand on certain issues that I support but on other issues he stands for everything I am against. I have read many of your posts and I don't recall any that advocated supporting Dr. Paul for the office of President of the United States.Take careThomas Gilbert-
I think I may have just said I was thinking about voting for him.
Peace and love to one and all from South Wales. Life is finite enjoy.
I am in Nova Scotia, Canada. (For the next week or so)
Peace and Love to You Also,
Thomas Gilbert-
Hopefully this will put paid to attempt by the Paulistas to recruit adherents in forums like this site; or at least there is now no doubt that Ron Paul is a Tea Bagger (which is something some of his acolytes denied when trying to add to their cult amongst progressives).
When RP says “they’re scared to death they won’t get their handouts” is he talking about the billionaires or the people who have to jump through a hundred hoops to get the tiny pittance they get for food, shelter and medical care? You know, that tiny fraction of all the “handouts” that is a joke compared to what the rich get handed in this country.
And while I'm on the subject, it seems the majority of people opposed to the “poor” getting help don’t seem to realize that a lot of the people who get the “handouts” have worked and paid taxes into the system.
This is laughable. Consider the source: NBC News. GE. MSNBC. They benefit. This cartel is devoted to empire and war and financial criminality, in keeping the status quo. We all know it. The 30 Rock Family. Nice.
There are factions that are scared of losing benefits. That's not illogical. I don't blame them. There needs to be safety nets in place to guard against the machine rolling over people. Healthcare and a quality education should be available to all legal citizens. ALL legal citizens.
I've run across articles from Paul for nearly three decades, I've seen things I agree with, and things I don't. But, here's the deal: The one-party system has failed. It has failed in every single sector. Its abused its own citizens. Its abused the entire world. Its devised a food supply system that has failed. Its built a complex and stealth police state to spy on its citizens. It has devised a financial system that has failed. It has devised a defense industry that is rampaging across the planet. It has ruined our infrastructure. It has given us corporate media that defends and backs-up the fraud and deceit and produces faux debate.
In short, it has failed completely and continues to divide the people in order to keep its power. People are stupid. They will ignore the truth out of fear, racism, and ignorance. But hey, if the continuation of all this is what you want –rejoice! Odds are you'll once again vote yourself a shit-pie next election and you'll then complain about why it tastes like shit.
This is not the once "open and free society" we once had. In fact, those once often spoken words are never mentioned now. Never. It was "what made us great'. What has changed? Why are we not an "open and free society"?
I don't know about you, but I'm sick of the violence. I'm sick of the fear. I'm sick of the thievery. I'm sick of the corruption. I'm sick of the war. I'm sick of failure.
Voting for GWB II, or any of the other republican boobs will only result in the same conditions. Why vote for that?
The only two people to be trusted at this point are Nader or Paul. Different in many ways, the same in others. I'd vote for either, and will.
The United States Federal Government and its fellow capitalist criminals want to turn the entire world into their whore and slave. It needs to be stopped.
"People are stupid."
Are you including yourself in that category? Or are you placing yourself above the People?
Elitists For Ron Paul!
"The only two people to be trusted at this point are Nader or Paul." Insanity and ignorance seem to be growing. Perhaps someday there will be an understanding.
"They will ignore the truth out of fear, racism, and ignorance."
Ron Paul's economic and social policies would only increase the above, and is indeed part and parcel to the above.