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Credit Unions Bask in Big Bank Backlash
Consumer fury against big banks is jingling the till at credit unions.
Cory Heck holds a ripped Bank of America bank statement in Royal Oak, Mich., Thursday, Oct. 20, 2011. Cory is doing what many Bank of America customers just threatened to do in response to plans to charge $5 per month for using debit cards. He's switching banks. It may be a hassle, but he's fed up enough to make the effort. (Carlos Osorio, Associated Press) The small not-for-profits, generally viewed as a low-key corner of the financial services business, have been picking up customers who say they're fed up with bank fees and account requirements.
TopLine Federal Credit Union in Maple Grove said it saw a nearly 20 percent increase in new checking accounts in the first three weeks in October. Others say new checking accounts have doubled.
The surge is unprecedented, according to TopLine CEO Harry Carter. He said about a third of the new customers "are volunteering that they're doing it because of the fees charged by larger banks."
The credit unions are capitalizing on what has been a slow-burning anger over the government's 2008 bailout of big banks and what some see as the banks' refusal since then to offer help to cash-strapped customers or loans to anyone without sterling credit.
It's unclear whether the backlash will grow big enough to become something more than an annoyance to the industry's largest institutions, who are now flush with cash. Some analysts think the customers most likely to desert big banks are the least affluent -- and often the least profitable.
But credit union executives say there's no question that they are gaining customers. They're preparing for another wave with the approach of "Bank Transfer Day" -- a grassroots call circulating across the country to boycott banks and shift accounts to credit unions next Saturday.
Apparently launched on Facebook this month by a Los Angeles art dealer who said she'd "had enough," the Transfer Day idea has caught fire. As of Friday, a Facebook page showed about 65,000 people would participate, and another 13,000 saying they might.
Consumers have complained for years about bank fees. The 2008 taxpayer bailout "added insult to injury," said Pamela Banks, senior policy counsel for the Consumers Union in Washington, D.C.
Then came this year's battle over how much banks can charge retailers in debit card "swipe" fees. Many big banks said in response to the new, lower limits on those fees that they would consider charging customers to use the cards.
However, the industry has been beating a hasty retreat from those plans this fall, in what seems at least a tacit admission that customers won't stand for it.
This past week, Wells Fargo and J.P. Morgan Chase said they won't follow through with previous plans to charge people for using their debit cards when their pilot programs run out. Wells Fargo began its test in five states on Oct. 14, charging a $3 fee for debit purchases. On Friday, Wells said it was canceling the test program.
In Minnesota, TCF announced last week that it would not charge a specific monthly fee for debit cards. TCF is charging a $9.95 monthly maintenance fee for checking account customers who don't meet certain requirements.
Minneapolis-based U.S. Bancorp, too, said it doesn't plan to charge customers monthly debit card fees, but it has ended its debit rewards program. This summer it started charging checking customers $6.95 to $8.95 a month if they don't meet certain requirements.
TCF unsuccessfully sued the Federal Reserve in a bid to stop the new debit limits, warning that consumers would end up paying for it.
A surge of new accounts
How much of the uptick in business at credit unions can be tied to the debit card issue is impossible to say, but credit union executives say customers are angry about fees in general.
Even the Minnesota Catholic Credit Union, with just $25 million in assets, is seeing more business. The church-based credit union in Little Canada has doubled the number of new checking accounts in the past six months.
CEO David Sawin said he's surprised, and chalks it up to the bank fee fracas.
"Now they're saying 'I don't care that I've been with my bank for 30 years, I'm coming over to you because they've pushed me too far,'" Sawin said.
"We didn't advertise," Sawin added. "We weren't pushing it."
Other credit unions, however, are.
St. Paul-based Affinity Plus Federal Credit Union, one of the state's largest credit unions with $1.5 billion in assets, has ramped up its edgy "Ditch Your Bank" ad campaign.
The campaign, by Risdall Marketing Group of New Brighton, has been running for a year. But it shifted last spring from poking at the industry in general to directly attacking bank fees, said Kyle Markland, Affinity Plus' CEO.
"We just felt that it was time that somebody had to take a more aggressive stand to say there's an alternative out there," Markland said.
Television spots that started running last spring show customers in an imposing bank being stripped of their clothes. The voice: "Too-big-to-fail banks are always finding new fees, charges and rate increases. How much more do you want them to take?"
Earlier this month, Affinity Plus took a swing at Wells Fargo with billboards trumpeting: "More debit card fees? That's stagecoach robery."
Markland said Affinity Plus has been signing up about 2,000 new accounts a month in the past two months -- double levels from a year ago. The customers are predominantly shifting from Wells Fargo, he said, but also from TCF and U.S. Bank.
One of them is Ben Ransom, who's in the process of switching. A business developer for a wind energy company who lives in St. Paul, Ransom said he didn't have a bad fee experience with Wells Fargo. But he said he was concerned that the company's debit card fees might eventually extend to him, calling it "an example of the nickel-and-dime mentality."
Preparing for a busy day
The Minnesota Credit Union Network, which represents the state's 144 credit unions, is deep in preparations for Bank Transfer Day. The group's president, Mark Cummins, sounded the alert in a newsletter and has been encouraging members to extend their hours Nov. 5.
"I'm selfishly gratified by the fact there's an awakening of the knowledge that there's an alternative out there," he said.
Industry experts have been anticipating a wave of customers to close bank accounts. Dick Bove, a veteran analyst with Rochdale Securities in Florida, estimates that 15 to 20 percent of Americans with bank accounts are likely to close them by the end of 2012.
The transfers probably won't have a huge impact on big banks, he said, because most of the customers leaving probably don't bring much in profits to begin with. Banks probably wanted to trim those accounts anyway, he said, although they would never publicly admit it.
But Greg McBride, an analyst with Bankrate.com in North Palm Beach, Fla., said there's evidence to suggest that richer households may be more susceptible to bolting than others.
A poll Bankrate.com commissioned in March concluded that 64 percent of Americans would consider switching financial institutions if their checking fees increased. For households with incomes of at least $75,000, the number jumped to 75 percent.
Markland, at Affinity Plus, disputes the idea that credit unions are luring marginal customers. The average new member at Affinity Plus has more than six different kinds of accounts or services, he said.
Over at TopLine, Carter said he doesn't care if people transfer with just a checking account.
"The level of profitability, only time will tell," Carter said. "Everyone is welcome."
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Show AllGood. A fine example of people/muscle power. We should have more of it. Unfortunate this part of the brain doesn't work in the voting booth.
Checking and savings accounts are one thing, getting into a locally held mortgage where a majority of the interest we pay goes is another. When I bought my house 7 years ago, I financed with a local company who then ended up selling it to Chase. I would assume I can refi with a provision stating that the note can't be sold.
I bailed out on bank savings & checking over 20 years ago. However, when I financed a house, even though it was with an in-house credit union loan, they wouldn't guarantee that they wouldn't sell my loan. My current loan was through a mortgage broker who had the loan packaged & sold before it was even closed. I'm sure it was greatly discounted. The banks still have us swinging but whatever we can do to cut their huge profits helps the real American people.
I am in the process of bailing out on the big banking system and moving my funds to a credit union. Needless to write, the process required due diligence (www.bankrate.com is a decent site to do part of that), and ultimately, I went with the USC credit union (I qualified for membership as an alumnus).
Thus, if you're going to do this, the following checklist might be helpful:
1) Open the account at the credit union.
2) If you do direct deposit, contact your employer's payroll department ASAP with your new information -- make sure you have the credit union's routing number.
3) Once the direct deposit has been changed, cancel all automatic payments at both the bank and vendor end.
4) Do an 'account closure form' search at your soon-to-be former bank's website. Download the form and fill it out.
5) Make sure you owe them nothing (credit card accounts, overdrafts, etc.).
6) Walk into your 'too big to fail' bank with prepared form in hand and two forms of identification (I use a driver's license & my US passport). Have them mail a check with your funds to an address you indicate (you can have them mail it to your credit union if they do deposits by mail...and if you want to rub it in).
Good info. I did just that. When the lady asked me why, I told her it was the fees. $6.00 since I don't have DD, or use my card.
$.99 per transaction for a few days, then they refund it. Add my $.99 x a million other people, and they have a lot of money to play with.
I took my money in cash.
Then we talked about the heist. I mean the bailout. A couple trillion that they gave to the banks should have ben returned to us, the tax payers. We could have paid off our houses or bought new ones. Paid off our debts, bought a new car and the car companies would have been bailed out.
Bought other things and people wouldn't have lost their jobs cuz of the recessuon.
The Heist had to be illegal, but since we have no say in how this shitty country works, nothing will be done.
The banks committed fraud, yet no one went to jail. They got rewarded!
I guess if Obama can't be bothered to prosecute wsr crimes, he can't be bothered to prosecute bank fraud.
But since he is also a war criminal, that makes sense.
Worse then Bush. Never thought someone could top that POS!
WTF does "TCF" stand for? And why doesn't the author tell us?
TCF shouldn't charge for checking accounts which everyone has to have nor see it's OK to do so just because they have better hours than other banks. Some people need that added feature to just deal their finances.
TCF shouldn't charge for checking accounts which everyone has to have nor see it's OK to do so just because they have better hours than other banks. Some people need that added feature to just deal their finances.
interesting that our credit unions may not guarantee not to sell the loan. we need to impress upon our business partner c.us that $$$$ supporting local businesses creates local wealth. we no longer wish to do business with the vampire mega-corporations. gotta' drive a stake through their treasure chest!
When it was announced recently that Goldman Sachs had withdrawn its sponsorship of the small community bank at which Occupy Wall Street had set up an account for its donations, it appeared to be merely a petty act of vindictiveness.
According to investigative reporter Greg Palast, however, the motivations go much deeper and may involve that Goldman Sachs is misusing TARP bailout funds as a “political weapon” to bully smaller banks.
Back in 2008, Goldman Sachs received $10 billion from the US Treasury under the TARP program that had been established to bail out failing commercial banks. The firm was neither failing nor a commercial bank, but the Secretary of the Treasury at that time, Henry Paulson, was a former Goldman Sachs chairman, and that was sufficient.
There was one catch, however, which was that “Goldman would have to return a chunk of the public’s billions in the form of loans for low-income customers and members of its ‘community’, as required by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. Problem: Goldman has, it seems, no low-income customers, nor a ‘community’. Goldman was directed to find poor people and a community and hand over some cash.”
Goldman complied in part by giving $5000 to the Lower East Side Peoples Federal Credit Union for its 25th anniversary celebration — but then threw a fit and demanded the money back when it turned out that Occupy Wall Street was to be honored at the anniversary dinner.
Bye, bye Bank of America! Bye, bye Chase.....you slut!
If the market had been allowed to fucking sort itself out all the goddamn banks in the USA would be in freaking receivership now. That's how badly they fucked it up with the ninja mortgages. They get to ignore the moral hazard of risky investments because their 'friends' or employees who get into elected office will bail them out with your money.
The concept of a free market is a nice one. If we actually had one I'd support the concept. But we have a corrupt market, where the monopolies gouge, and the 'competing' companies collude to jack up their profits.
vs how we all know multi-national corporations are so good to the people and help everyone out...
If corporations TRULY followed their own best interests all these big banks wouldn't have had to be bailed out.
Aaronica,
"There are no markets anymore, just interventions"!
........This quote pretty much tells the whole story. ......The system is designed to drain wealth from the general public and transfer it to the super-wealthy.
And the final problem in such a system is that people, even the rich, can't eat gold.
WATCH FOR THE BANKS TO BE ATTACKING CREDIT UNIONS SOON WITH REGULATUION. Since the government is their tool.
If the attack fails the banks will just buy all of them.
My suspicion too. But better a fight than passively acquiescing to the banks.
There are ways to build and live in houses without mortgages. Most of the dwellings on the planet do not have mortgages. US Americans are sheep,and live in fear!
Why is it that banks prefer direct deposit? My former bank offered to lower my monthly fee of $20 to $10.69/month if I used direct deposit.
"Teachers Federal Credit Union" here on Long Island, NY is great! You don't have to be a teacher either!
It really does not matter if a bank or a credit union sells a home mortgage contract to another bank or lending institution,,,, the (initial) interest on the mortage stays the same,,,, it has zero effect for the home owner paying off the mortage loan and many credit unions don't even handle home mortages.
When we buy a house or property and go to escrow, we often don't even know until then who the lender will be... It doesn't matter who it is.... What matters is what the interest on the loan is and that is determnied when the buyer pays the initial ernest money to the broker or a seller of the house or property and who is handling the transaction or sales contrat... If the current interest rate is 6.5% that stays the same until the mortage is paid off.
Credit unions are much better financially for members in so many ways,,, less charges for banking fees, or none on some things that all banks charge fees for, and much lower interest on money lonas and credit cards, auto loans and they usually pay higher interest on savings and IRAs than banks do.
Credit unions have a President, VP and a Setretary, there are elections and members, (any who have an account), vote for them and can vote them out if they are not satisfied with how things are going... Things usually go very, very well.
We have used the same credit union since 1968, almost 55 years and have never ever had a single complaint... Some of their saving progrms have paid 8% compound interest, so start with a thousand $ and every eight years it doubles... A ten thousand $ investment would grow to eighty thousand in forty years.
If one started at age 25 and put in $200 a week at 8% compound interest for 40 years they would be a millionare at retirement age.....
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Just watch - if this thing gets too big there will be new laws limiting what credit unions can do. Watch and warn and fight.
Exactly. Four words to the wise: Bank of North Dakota. Some "state bank" -- it can't issue accounts to real people, and except for some student loan activity, you can't get a loan from it either.
Believe you are correct ~Joe~.... You can bet the credit unions would combine forces and fight any such laws tooth and nail,,, all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.... However; that doesn't make me feel good about it come to think of it.... Our Supreme Court?
Then too, there may already be legal presadents to protect the credit unions from any such restrictive laws, they are insured by the FDIC and conmply with all banking laws... We;ll see.
Stare decisis is no longer a principle informing case law in this country. So much for "presadents."
Went the credit union route a year ago. Left $15 at the stagecoach just to irritate them.
As I was closing my Wells Fargo account, I overheard the woman next to me. She was closing her account. She said she had $200,000 she wanted back, "because of the fees" she said. She was in her seventies. If the 99% is really representative of the majority, I'd watch for a run on the big banks in the near future.