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Liberals Get 'Déjà Vu' and Complain Dems Have Bungled in Debt Talks
Déjà vu
Liberals on and off Capitol Hill agonized Thursday that supercommittee Democrats had bungled early negotiations over a budget deal and put their party in a position to be bested again by Republicans.
The twelve members of the Congressional Super Committee, six Democrats and six Republicans, gather for opening remarks as the panel holds its inaugural meeting to search for new deficit reductions, in Washington, DC, September 8, 2011. (Credit: Reuters/Mike Theiler)
By proposing significant cuts to Medicare and Medicaid as an early offering, liberals said the panel Democrats weakened their party’s negotiating position as Republicans, who have ceded no ground on their central anti-tax message, sat back and watched.
"My fear is that this is déjà vu all over again,” said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.), one of the dozens of liberals who thought the White House cornered itself in the summer debt-ceiling talks by floating similar entitlement cuts to the GOP in negotiations led by Vice President Biden.
“This is essentially what happened in the Biden talks,” Welch said. “The Democrats were putting concrete proposals on the table [including entitlement cuts] and the Republicans never came forward with concrete revenues to match it.
“The Democratic side was negotiating against itself,” Welch added. “As a strategy, that won’t work.”
While some Democrats said their deficit package is evidence that they’re the more serious negotiators, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) shrugged it off and remarked it was “time for everybody to get serious” about the talks.
In a memo highlighting the Republicans’ blanket opposition to new tax hikes, Boehner’s office said the Democrats’ plan is “not a serious proposal.”
“Republicans have been willing to discuss new revenues, but this offer is rooted in unacceptable tax increases, which would have a negative impact on the economy and jobs,” the memo reads.
Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee ( PCCC), a liberal activist group, echoed Welch’s message Thursday, saying the Democrats’ early offer to cut Medicare and Medicaid is “just incompetent negotiation strategy.”
“If Democrats on the [supercommittee] are proposing cuts to Medicare, Medicaid or other middle-class benefits, that is fundamentally out of step with what the 99 percent of Americans are crying out for right now,” Green said in an email. “The middle class has sacrificed enough — it’s time for Wall Street and the wealthy to finally pay their fair share, and voters need Democratic politicians to get that.”
A former House Democratic staffer sounded a similar note, saying the Democrats could use a lesson in how to squeeze more of their priorities out of the ongoing bipartisan talks.
“Though the [Democrats] won’t likely bite on Medicare offsets (i.e., bene[fit] cuts) w/out revenue, the cuts are now, nevertheless, out there,” the staffer, who is now a health policy analyst, said in an email. “Someone really should give these guys a primer on negotiating skills!?!”
The liberals are furious with the sweeping $3 trillion deficit-reduction proposal presented Tuesday by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) to Republicans on the deficit panel. The plan includes hundreds of billions of dollars in entitlement cuts and more than $1 trillion in new tax hikes — a package along the lines of the “grand bargain” negotiated over the summer by President Obama and Boehner that eventually died in favor of a more modest deal focused on spending cuts.
The proposal offered by Baucus — which was endorsed by a majority of the six Democrats on the deficit panel — features roughly $400 billion in Medicare reductions, including significant cuts to senior benefits. A number of liberal Democrats hammered the proposal this week, warning that benefit cuts under Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are a nonstarter.
“I don’t want to hear Democrats suggesting that we have those types of cuts in Medicare,” Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), former chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, told The Hill on Wednesday. “I hope that’s not true.”
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, however, declined to join those critics on Thursday.
“It’s no use asking me about specific things until we see the whole package,” Pelosi said during a press briefing in the Capitol.
The California Democrat reiterated her party’s insistence on a “balanced” deficit-reduction plan, suggesting that she and her caucus won’t support a package that fails to spread the pain of austerity across a class spectrum.
“It’s not fair to say to a senior, ‘You’re going to pay more for Social Security, and we’re not going to touch a hair on the head of the wealthiest people in our country,’ ” Pelosi said.
Democrats also hammered a Republican counteroffer that would cut the deficit by $2.2 trillion over 10 years and generate up to $640 billion in new revenue.
Consistent with the Republicans’ vows not to impose new taxes, the revenues originate from increased user fees and tax-revenue increases the GOP says will accompany an overhaul of the tax code.
Democrats said it focused too heavily on middle-class benefit cuts without balancing them out with tax hikes on the wealthy.
“As reported, Republicans’ stubborn refusal to come forth on real revenues as part of a deficit reduction package threatens any real progress in the Select Committee,” Rep. Sandy Levin (Mich.), senior Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, said in a statement. “Their unwillingness to ask anything of the very wealthiest even as they propose devastating cuts to Medicare and Social Security is totally unacceptable.”
Yet liberal activists argue that the Democrats’ proposal is little better.
“This plan protects the status quo for the 1 percent while the 99 percent are expected to sacrifice vital healthcare they need to survive,” said Jim Dean, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean’s brother and the chairman of Democracy for America, a political action committee with 1 million members.
“Democracy for America will oppose any Democrat who votes for a plan that cuts Medicare or Medicaid.”
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Show All“Someone really should give these guys a primer on negotiating skills!?!” said a former Dem staffer. Wake up! They know what they are doing, and they are NOT making a "mistake". meanwhile, Obomber will thrust his chin out and upwards, not comment at all , and attend a few more $8,000 a plate luncheons.
Exactly! As more and more of us wake up to the bitter reality of TWO CORPORATIST/WALL STREET/WARMONGER PARTIES doing the dirty deeds for the Ruling Class sociopaths, the Occupy Wall Street Movement should transform into a movement to replace the current corrupt, broken economic/political system, which only works for that Ruling Class and its willing servants in government.
Mike Lillis needs to seek treatment for denial syndrome .
It should be beyond obvious to anybody with a 3 digit IQ that Dims and the GOP operate as a tag team.
It is truly a wonder that people keep buying the Us vs. Them rhetoric of both parties and most of the media.
"tag team". Nice.
6thed Hiro. Both parties funded by the same banks and corporations, and thus work for them.
I used to think Obama had sold his soul to the devil. Now I think he IS the devil!
Maybe Micheal Moore can come up with another its-all-about-me-Documentary which provides a theme about how we are getting shafted by the neo-turds but never highlightening the means by which they do it: i.e., the Dem turds. :)
If the GOP is going to stonewall everything that the Democrats in Congress propose,
then wouldn't it be better, to push a progressive agenda, which would make the
majority of American people happy?
The positive roar of the crowd might impress the GOP, that they need to rethink their strategy.
Shoot for the moon. Ask for everything we need. Let the Republicans go on record opposing the citizens of the USA.
Funny that never seems to be an option. Why is that?
Yeah, kinda like the maigcal "disappearing, re-appearing" powers of the President. He can invade, stab shoot, murder, bomb, loot steal, torture, kidnap and destroy...but he just can't do anything about those debts. Too risky. Uh-huh.
Are you serious? These negotiations are a facade. Big business has already told both sides what they expect. It is like a scripted play....
What an insult to plays. Plays are fun, sometimes they have swordfights!
The Democratic Party's sole mission is to get more corporate cash than the GOP.
Obama's sole mission is to become the first politician to amass a corporate funded billion dollar campaign war chest and he will destroy whoever and whatever stands in the way of that goal.
Only the people who can be fooled all the time are still believing this two party fairy tale and all it's fantastic sub-plots.
This crap doesn't even mesure up to the standards of profesional wrestling.
"This crap doesn't even measure up to the standards of professional wrestling."
Exactly! It is and has been blatantly obvious for far longer than it should take anyone to notice if he or she really wanted to. I've said it many times, but the one thing Obama has done well is prove that kool-aid comes in two colors -- red AND blue.
Obama - Worst President Ever.
Hopefully OWS is evidence that the US epidemic of terminal denial syndrome has leveled off.
Yup, I think your are right.
Speaking of which, I still say that this brief "Onion Sports Network" report is a dead-on parody or metaphor for the earnest, wonky "inside politics" analysis and handicapping that is accepted wisdom in both corporate and alternative mass-media:
Wrestling Fan's Comments Alternate Between Admitting It's Fake, Forgetting It's Fake*
* http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/wrestling-fans-comments-alternate-between-admittin,16916/
Dear author;
I trust your fall from the turnip truck was not overly traumatic, given that you were still able to pen this breathless play-by-play of the Über Catfood Politburo's "negotiations".
I especially like the part where Max Baucus, who managed to ram through the Wealth Care Industry's public option-free, mandated-purchase insurance plan, is now inept in the art of wheeling and dealing.
You nailed it with that post...
lol
Absolutely. Neither ObamaCon nor the Democans have failed at or bungled anything. As a matter of fact, they have been spectacularly successful at conning so-called Progressives into believing their fantasy charades. Wake up people! Embrace the OWS movement (in hopes that is doesn't become co-opted by the corporatists) rather than these kabuki dancers. Why are we even bothering to cover this stuff in our alternative media? What a waste of time and energy.
Kabuki dancers! Ha ha. Exactly. Good one!
"Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee ( PCCC), a liberal activist group, echoed Welch’s message Thursday, saying the Democrats’ early offer to cut Medicare and Medicaid is “just incompetent negotiation strategy.”
WRONG. It is not an incompetent strategy at ALL. As usual, the "progressives" out there refuse to see the glaring truth - that the Dims have the SAME STRATEGY AS THE REPUBLICANS. Viewed in that light, their "incompetent strategy" suddenly makes a helluva lot of sense. But until and unless people start seeing the Dims for what they obviously are - just a different wing of the Corporate Plutocratic Duopoly with the same goals - then they will continue to scratch their heads in confusion over how the Dims could possibly keep giving away so many things to "the other side."
That quote grabbed me also - Adam Green seems like a nice guy but how smart can he be when the dems do this time after time after time -
It is the PLAN
Next this super committee will trot out their supposed tax increases on the wealthy which will turn out to be Ending the Mortgage Deduction -
Baucus is a corporate Whore -
The democrats had 2 years to bring meaningful change and used those years writing a Corporate Welfare bill called Health Insurance reform -
Screw you democrats - you had your chance and proved you are Corporate whores - we now will have to wait until at least 2016 for meanngful change - unless OWS brings down this wholly corrupt bought and paid for system -
Or maybe Wall Street will crash the econmy again - I'd bet that occurs Before the democrats actually start governing as populists or progressives.
YOu're right. Ending the mortgage deduction will happen, guaranteed. And of course the Dims will say "see? We are doing something about income inequality, we are making the rich pay their fair share!!" Um.....nice try goobers. The mortgage deduction mainly helps the MIDDLE AND LOWER CLASSES. If you're a multi-millionaire, you paid CASH for your fucking house(s), you don't even HAVE a freaking mortgage. I personally know several people who pull in over $200,000/year and only one of them actually has a mortgage. Rich people understand that a mortage means having to pay 3-4 times the value of a home over the life of a mortgage in interest payments. What a total waste of money. So, rich people - since they have the means - opt to NOT pay all that extra money to the bank in the form of a 15 or 30-year mortgage, and just plop down the full price of the house.
The mortgage deduction helps lower and middle class WORKING AMEREICHANS, not rich people. But in typical Orwellian fashion, the D's and R's will twist it to make it appear that by ending it they are actually taxing the rich, when in fact they are actually increasing taxes on the 99%, not the 1%.
Good cop, bad cop ...
Too bad for the future that only 0.00000001% have a clue about our rulers, who own everything, and their goals.
Yes there will be a massive collapse of everything, but probably many of those overpriced weapons will get used in the ultimate slaughter.
It is becoming more and more obvious that this whole world wide austerity, budget deficit, national debt, bail-out, cut-back, class warfare, etc. melange is the strategy being used to advance the agenda of depopulating the planet from its nearly seven billion back to two billion people by annihilating/eliminating (LITERALLY KILLING) the poor, the ill, and the elderly.
This is the ABSOLUTELY BIGGEST conspiracy event in the history of the world, and it is playing out in slow motion before our very eyes. And no one can believe that it is actually happening. It is being regarded as a "natural event" that can't be avoided, but it is carefully planned, and is being cunningly and expertly executed.
"The world is being run by a club, and you ain't in it!" (George Carlin)
And here everyone is worrying about the negotiating skills of a bunch of the puppets of the people behind the mass murder agenda .
And now for the smile of the day: From the name of the Herman Cain Tax Plan, if it wasn't obvious that he's black, you'd think he was a German Republican!
MEL
I believe the same. This IS a mass extermination...and most will be poor people of color.
Turn "999" upside down and what do you get?
I suppose anything is possible at this point.
It does not matter what level of cuts to Medicare and Medicaid the Democrats on the committee say they are willing to enact. As long as they insist on tax increases, the Republicans on the committee will reject everything, and the committee will not meet its deadline.
That will result in (if I understand the process) automatic across-the-board cuts in every program, including defense. The Pentagon will go berserk at the tought of that happening, so some sort of smoke and mirrors solution will probably be done at the last second.
Unffortunately, like making sausage, the details of the compromise will be unpalatable for everyone.
For the past 20 years the Dims have collaborated with the GOP to the point that the GOP gets more than they demanded while the Dims get nothing that they demanded.
The Dims and GOP are a well honed tag team.
The OCCUPY movement is NOT about CHANGING the system. It is about TRANSCENDING the system and developing new ways living successfully in the 21St Century, a new MYTHOS. Apply your talents to building the future.
We cannot change a system of entrenched corruption, we must move beyond it. Help each other through these hard times during the transition. If Government and Corporations continue to work against us WE will DEFUND it, and those who are the enemies of the people. We are the 99%, we are CREATIVE, and now we are ACTIVE and GROWING.
Amen, Stone. You succintly explained the path of OWS.
Conservative Democrats = Republican operatives, corporate sleeper agents, banker spies, oligarchy deceivers
Direct democracy
What did you expect? Obama willingly abdicated his office and passed the baton to the super committee. Obama has been working on cutting SS since spring of 2010. When the supper committee pushes austerity down our throats with cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and SS, there will be no one to blame. Obama, (R)s and (D)s will all be pointing their fingers at each other. Just remember, Obama drove the bus over the cliff. (http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00456) Wake up and shake it up.
Guys, guys. It was 80 degrees in Colorado one day, and snowed six inches the next. This game the overlords have been playing for a couple thousand years is over. They have brought Hell down on all of us. This Climate Change thing is going to wipe the chess board and start a new game.
Come election time these liberals will support Democrats as the lesser of two evils. The Democrats know it, they have little faith that the left will do anything other than whine and vote for them. OWS is a real threat, which is why Obama is kissing up to them. He'll work to bring them into the fold and if we in the OWS movement are so foolish as to accept we will be nothing more than Moveon. So they'll listen to the weak, ineffective liberals whine then crack the whip. Round and round we go, election after election after election. Look at what happened to Nader when he dared to run for president from the left. To this day knuckle dragging Democrats will start barking at the very name. I wonder if they felt so entitled when the Socialists were getting 6% of the vote in the early 20th century. Any rate, just a week after the three horrible free trade deals were signed we have this charade. If the left doesn't build something outside of the Democratic Party and have a long term strategy (beyond the next freaking election) the game is over.
On one hand the dems will court us and on the other they will toss flash grenades -
Many of the OWS cities that have cracked down are actually being governed by democrats -
The democrats are also the problem.
Starting with the oilybomber.
We need to smash these bastards. Enough is enough. They exist in a little bubble and we need to burst that bubble and scare these pricks. They talk about "balanced" sacrifice. What the f*ck do you call decades of stagnating wages, de-industrialization, the financialization of the economy (and the mountains of debt that accompany it) and the explosion in wealth inequality. Its THEIR damn policies that have gotten us to this point. THAT is our sacrifice you a$$holes!
I wasn't going to ever bring this up, but this might make you happy.
Gasoline has some interesting properties, the best of which is that you only need money and a safe container (itself cheap) to store and then transport. One gallon of no BS honest-to-god gasoline has the explosive potential of a stick of dynamite. No kidding. Because of it's chemical structure, gasoline also has the property of being able to be "pulled" under locked doors if allowed to drip down the side of said locked barrier. This has the end result of pooling gasoline "behind" the locked door. Gasoline filled plastic bottles with careful fuses leave nothing which can be traced with today's technology. It is surprisingly easy to get people to leave buildings. Rocks and stones lie at your feet. The average man can throw a stone over 75 feet and at 15 miles per hour. No license is required to buy stones. I could go on, but why? No matter how creative you get with this, it ends up with you bitter and behind bars, and all of your former "friends" saying they never really knew you that well because, hey, they need a job too right? I guess the real question is, who do you know that can keep a secret?
Be careful. Gratuitous violence will lead to overwhelming response, and loss of public support. It's a fine line to walk ...
Don't target the public and you don't walk any line.
No valid plans for the future can be made by those who have no capacity for living now.
Alan Watts
It's perfectly clear to me that the world is going to hell. The only thing that can stop it at this point, is if you don't actually try to stop it.
RVingRetiree
An excellent point and one that needs repeating to make sure its understood. Thank you for pointing it out.
I am not a pacifist, but I don't think violence or direct confrontation is the best answer at this point. I think OWS is scaring them now and OWS has not been violent. The scum at the top are so out of touch that I think that they believe that people were buying their nonsense. We all thought they were lying, I really think many of them are so out of touch with the reality most people live that they started to believe their own bull$hit.
No offense though, but I think many times people calling for violence tend to be plants. Whether we think it is justified or not doesn't matter, people wouldn't respond kindly to vandalism, property damage. If things get worse, and they might thanks to both parties, that might change. I don't think it is by itself constructive though. We could smash these bastards in the mouth by making the country ungovernable, taking over work places and making their lives miserable. They can't live in their bubble forever.
I will not question your intent with this public paeon to violence. I do ,however,question your judgment. Not only does violence on the part of the demonstrators play directly into the hands of the establishment, such a public cry for such plays rather poorly on your own repute.
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I offer that anyone serious about taking up violent protest would be rather less public about said intent. As a veteran of the Vietnam war protests I am very familiar with govt. infiltrators inciting violence among naive protesters.