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Bodies of 53 'Executed' Gaddafi Loyalists Discovered
Corpses dumped in hotel garden in Sirte lead to calls for inquiry into human rights abuses
The dead had been dumped on the "Sea-View Gardens" of an abandoned hotel. Many of the killings had been carried out with shots to the head; some were already injured when the executions took place; some had their hands tied behind their backs. Amid bullet and bomb casings, pools of water from burst pipes provided grim testimony to the revenge meted out on the last of the regime loyalists.
People gather near the site of an explosion in Sirte yesterday. Residents fear criticism of what has taken place will lead to accusations of being regime collaborators. One resident asked, "What would people in Europe and America say if Gaddafi was doing this?"(Reuters) While international focus has been on the killings of Muammar Gaddafi and his son Muatassim and the display of their corpses, little is known about the fate of those who were with the Libyan dictator in his last refuge, his home town of Sirte. The discovery of the 53 corpses at the Mahari hotel, and another ten dumped in a nearby reservoir reveal a glimpse of the bloodletting.
It has not been possible to ascertain who was responsible for the dead in the reservoir. But the hotel had been in the hands of the rebels, by then the forces of the new government, when the slaughter was believed to have been carried out between 14 and 19 October.
Pools of blood had stained the ground beneath the bodies, spent cartridges lay scattered around suggesting a firing squad had been at work.
Yesterday, Mustafa Abdul Jali, the acting head of the country's government, the National Transitional Council (NTC), bowed to rising pressure from abroad and ordered an inquiry into the shootings of Muammar and Muatassim Gaddafi after they had surrendered. Authorities in Misrata, where their remains have been exhibited for the past four days, announced yesterday that the morbid show was finally over.
Human Rights Watch, which discovered the evidence of the hotel massacre in Sirte, yesterday called for a wider investigation. Director Peter Bouckaert, said: "What happened was pretty bad. If the NTC fails to look thoroughly into this crime it will signal that those who fought against Gaddafi can do anything without fear of prosecution. There is evidence to suggest that some of those shot were prisoners."
The NTC was able to force Gaddafi from power, largely with the help of foreign forces, including Britain. A Foreign Office spokeswoman said last night of the Mahari killings: "We condemn human rights violations perpetrated by either side and we expect the NTC to fully investigate all allegations of abuse committed by its forces, and to bring those responsible to account."
The rebels who had been in the Mahari wanted to be remembered. At the entrance, in the flaking rooms and on the outside walls were written the names of the Tiger Brigade (al-Nimar) Support Brigade (al-Isnad), the Jaguar Brigade (al-Fahad), the Lion Brigade (al-Asad), and the Citadel Brigade (al-Qasba). It is not known if fighters from these groups were present when the killings took place.
Sirte, built up as a model city by the Gaddafi regime, and proclaimed as a future capital of Africa by the delusional former leader, had been pulverised during the assault by opposition forces. Street after street had been smashed and most of the population had fled during the brief lulls in the fighting. Many bitterly complained that they were not being liberated, but facing punishment for the city's links to the dictator.
Residents among the small number left had ventured out after the gunfire ended to find out what happened to family, friends and the Mahari casualties. Among the decomposing corpses they could identify four from the neighbourhood – Ezzidin al-Hinsheri, a former Gaddafi government official, a military officer named Muftah Dabroun, and two others, Amar Mahmoud Saleh and Muftah al-Deley, whose political allegiances were not known.
Sirte is now a desolate place, with small communities scattered across the city. The homes which have not been destroyed have been looted, according to local people, by rebel fighters.
Residents fear criticism of what has taken place will lead to accusations of being regime collaborators. Amar al-Bawadi, 46, who sent his family away but stayed behind – unsuccessfully – to protect his clothes shop, said: "This is just the beginning, there will be lots of dead bodies found. They just opened fire without any care who got hit. Now we are seeing what happened to those who were arrested. What would people in Europe and America say if Gaddafi was doing this?"
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Show AllWhen this began, I screamed in all caps that there would be blow back. Shut up, Alan, some of you yelled. Obama is in charge, not that evil Mr. Bush, you need to stop pretending that this Mommar-guy is any good, and start rooting for Mr. Drone King. But, I said, if you don't do this peacefully, you will create blow back. No it won't, I was told. Unlike Iraq, this one will be super selective, drones are WAY more accurate and Mommar and his family are the only ones who need to worry. But, but, I still screamed, that's not my point! That's not my point! I don't care how accurate your murders are I CARE ABOUT THE ACT OF MURDER!!!
I'm a Nam combat vet. You seem to live in an ideological castle. Ghaddafi was hated by the general populace. Captured rebels were tortured (see the BBC clips) and killed. The revenge killings of pro Ghaddafi troops come as no surprise.
I remember some of those comments when "humanitarianism" was used to sucker Progressives and blunt anti-war criticism and many took the bait. Others have mentioned Amy Goodman and that truly is sad.
We can only hope they are finally waking up to how they were used and understand your point about killing. Funny that would have to be explained to anti-war advocates. Just more tribalism--if our side kills it's OK.
OXYMORON To be against murder is an oxymoron. It is just about treasonous
in the USA. Remember all those Native Americans we slaughtered (See
Richard Drinnon, FACING WEST....) ? Or the many other wars in which the
US has "triumphantly" been engaged?
Where I live there is often a large sign put up: PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN,
it shouts.
We don't call it "murder" here. It is the "great" advance of technology. Of course
there is some "collateral damage". And we scientifically target and assasinate
"alleged" enemies. I suppose they were "militants".
Perhaps even..."Muslim".
MY EMAIL: peterloeb@yahoo.com
My God, do you honestly still think there will not be blow back for this? Clearly, the people in charge (Obama, CIA, Banks, whatever) want a few more planes shot out of the sky, or a few more buildings blown up, otherwise how the hell else can they wrestle us into line. And we deserve, sweet Jesus, we deserve one-thousand and one Vs swarming all over our cities at night, like righteous ants in white masks. Too bad that's only a fantasy of mine. I don't think one V could pull it off. Not anymore at least.
I am certain that the international financial interests that brought this action to fruitition will step in, install their business friendly figurehead of a government, and quickly gloss over all the resulting carnage. It will be interesting to watch and see if that is what the "rebels" signed on for, or whether they assumed they had carte blanche to murder and plunder as it pleased them and wish to continue to do so.
Unfortunately, as the Obama admin (and those preceding it) has eschewed international law, human rights and the underpinning foundations of a civilized society in favor of extra-judicial contract murder, the US govt has zippo authority to criticize the atrocities occurring in Libya and elsewhere.
Any moral authority we may arguably had at one time has been frivolously squandered in our rapacious quest for profit and plunder.
The unsanctioned, illegal and brutal militarization of international relations led by the US has set in motion a race to the bottom in regard to foreign as well as national policy.
I can provide several examples to make your point about cover-ups masquerading as 'official inquiries'- IE: The Warren {c}Ommission Report on JFK's Hit -&- even the Watergate Hearings [covered-up Tricky Dick Nixon's link to 'That Bay of Pigs Thing' - Nixon speak for the JFK Hit], - The Iran Contra {mis}Hearings [covered-up the Reagan, Mr CIA Skull {duggery}& Bones Poppy Bush Sr, Bill Casey's, Rob Gates- involvement in 'October Surprise' & CIA / NSA's {IE: Ollie North} involvement in the 1980s Crack Cocaine Explosion], -&- last but not least- The 9-11{c}Ommission.
It's real 'rich' that the FUK-US NATO mouth pieces like 'Human Rights Watch' which helped enable this illegal assault on Libya whose objective was to Murder Khadaffi & his family & supporters under the guise of that phony 'R2P' excuse for so-called 'humanitarian intervention'; are now shocked that - that FUK-US NATO enabled AL-CIAead / King Idris Affiliated Rebel Racist Lynch Mob have engaged in atrocities [Oh My] - As If the France, the UK, US & NATO [IE: FUK-US NATO] haven't been Unleashing Mass Atrocities in Libya, but also Afghanistan, Iraq, & next likely Syria & Iran & God knows where else! Them asking for an inquiry into this [& other War Crimes] is like the FOX asking to guard the Hen-House!
NOTE: The circumstances of Khadaffi's brutal murder is apparently even more atrocious & outrageous than even I could have imagined!!.. Apparently Khadaffi was brutally tortured - including being Sodomized [IE: ASS Raped] w a Knife [one can imagine he may have been castrated too - sounds like Abu Ghraib Redux] before being executed! As bad as that is, according to Wayne Madsen, Khadaffi was set-up & drawn out into the open under the internationally recognized symbol of truce &/or surrender- The White Flag! Khadaffi came out in broad daylight w a multi-car convoy clearly flying White Flags which were also seen in & around Sirte itself. They apparently drew him out in the open by telling him [lying to him] that he could negotiate a surrender &/or cease fire under protection of the White Flag [Note: He tried to negotiate cease-fires several times before- including just before FUK-US NATO bombed his son's house on April 30th murdering his son & 3 small grand-children.] & then attacked [incinerated] his convoy, which were FLYING White Flags of TRUCE, w Hell-Fire missles & FUK-US NATO Jets' Bombs! Then they let [ordered] that AL-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Racist Lynch Mob [or maybe they were really NATO's &/or Qatari Special Ops Mercs dresses as rebels] Torture & Murder Him! This is a VERY Serious War CRIME! If this is proven true- Who will Ever Trust FUK-US NATO's word [Lies] for negotiating a Truce &/or Surrender Under the White Flag EVER Again!!! ... - And their Rebel-Rousing Lynch Mob cronies [the NTC] aren't even decent respectful Muslims! According to Islamic Law- Muslim dead are supposed to be buried within 24 hrs of death. Yet these guys blaspheming themselves as Muslims still have Khadaffi's, His Son's & Defense Minister's Bodies held-up in a meat-locker for almost a week now!
They have to get rid of all the Communists and Socialists. Much the same happened in Iraq and Iran when the CIA supported coups in those Countries.
The CIA provided both the Shah and Saddam Hussein with lists of people to be eliminated when they helped bring those thugs to power.
It is the same pattern we see in Haiti.
This has "Made in the USA" stamped all over it.
Civil war in Libya. Way to go guys.
Please remember that 20 000+ shoulder fired, surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles have gone 'missing' in the past two months in Libya. Any one of them could provide the components for two or three powerful road-side bombs. As well, there is a growing grey/black market (Gee, thank you America!) in high powered small arms and munitions, where little gems like this would sell nicely.
Yep, 20 000 anti-aircraft missiles, small enough to be concealed in your average car or SUV. And all those pissed off people who have had their homes invaded and destroyed by the US and it's Euro lackeys.
How many large airports are there in the Mediterranean region?
Planning a trip anytime soon?
Feel nervous about blowback yet?
Where on earth did you pull this number from. It's so absurd, it isn't worth fact checking.
Don't you read any news richsmith2? This story has been reported everywhere... here's one link:
http://news.yahoo.com/nato-concerned-report-missing-libya-missiles-033234993.html
Anybody who reads this site actually surprised at this turn of events?
Any time anything happens there is a response. And then a second response, and a third, and...
Exactly correct Melonman. It's job security for the MIC.
Blacks have especially been the victims of the Western power elites' gangsters in this. Many have given support to Kaddafi as he gave much support national liberation movements including the ANC.
"It has not been possible to ascertain who was responsible for the dead in the reservoir."
Really?
To quote the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg following WW2, ".to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."
"Sirte, built up as a model city by the Gaddafi regime, and proclaimed as a future capital of Africa by the delusional former leader, had been pulverised during the assault by opposition forces. Street after street had been smashed and most of the population had fled during the brief lulls in the fighting."
Way to protect civilians, United Nations! Great job, USA! NATO, your caring, humanitarian war machine.
http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/amy-goodman-walks-the-dark-side-on-libya-invasion/
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/amy-goodman-sells-out-all-the-way-just-quit-amy-just-quit/
I still try to come to terms with the fact, that Amy Goodman's Democracy Now didn't take a clear stance and in a strange way seemed to be sympathetic to the NATO campaign. Her reporting was "fair and balanced" in best FOX tradition and her interviews about the topic of Libya presented often a completely distorted and one sided picture.
I once considered Amy Goodman as one of my favorite US journalists and I am deeply disappointed. What a disgrace!
Yeah I was a bit amazed at the tract Amy G & DN! [& Al Jazeera too - until I learned it was the mouth piece for the Qatari Regime which was 'All In' on this Libyan Assault] had taken on Libya - especially after her & DN!'s well established anti-war creds on the Iraq invasion. Sot I asked others it they had noticed Amy G's & DN!'s spin on this phony so-called R2P 'humanitarian' Libyan assault was a bit odd [to say the least] & I found it that It wasn't just me. Many hardcore 9-11 Truthers had been calling out Amy G, Noam Chomski & others on their 'positions' [or lack there of] against 9-11 Truth for some time. I for one was willing to give Amy G a pass on that one- But NOT on Libya! There's simply no excuse for DN! to help justify under Obama, Billary, & Sue Rice [using the likes of that CIA asset Juan Cole & obvious AL-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebel mouth-pieces ] what Amy G & DN! had critique so perfectly & consistently under Bush Jr, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Condi Rice! And then DN! refers to this AL-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Racist Lynch Mob as 'Revolutionary Freedom fighters?!! No I for one will NeVer see Amy G & DN! in the same light as before!
Did you want Amy Goodman to defend Gaddafi? How do you cover a conflict where all the guys are bad guys? Can you provide a citation of where DN called the rebels "revolutionary freedom fighters"? Such an allegation does not even pass a cresibility test. Do you want Amy Goodman to be a fringe tin-foil hat ideologue and lost all her credibility as a reporter?
This flurry of Democracy Now attacks is very suspecious. Such attacks are a classic COENTELPRO tactic.
I didn't expect Amy G & DN! to defend Khadaffi - I expected her to tell the truth! Note this Oct 5 Article [www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26948] From BAR's Bruce Dixon: > "Have Democracy Now's correspondents in Libya, [IE: Anjali Kamat] minimized or avoided reporting on the persecution of Black Libyans and sub-Saharan African migrants by US-backed Libyan rebels? Have they reported massacres that may not have happened, and mercenaries who might not have existed? Have They Ignored or Minimized the Impact of US and NATO Bombing [see my comment below] and the presence of Saudi, Qatari and other foreign forces on the ground in Libya, also in support of the US-backed Libyan rebels? Have they simply embedded themselves with US-backed forces in Libya to pass the views of the Pentagon and State Department to us as “independent, unembedded news”? It's hard not to notice that Anjali Kamat can't find any Black Libyans to talk to [even though Libya is at-least 1/4 or more Black], ... There have been many persistent reports from too many sources pointing to widespread persecutions of Black Libyans and migrants from sub-Saharan Africa. There are reports of all-Black towns in Libya which have been wiped off the map by the Libyan rebels. Former US Rep Cynthia McKinney has visited the families of some who were lynched by jeering mobs who used their cell phones to record the ghastly spectacle [Just as they've now videoed Khadaffi's Brutal Sodomy by Knife, Torture & Murder!]. Some of the videos of these lynchings were still on YouTube... DN's correspondents in Libya apparently have more important things to do than interview Black Libyans and {African} migrant victims of what Kamat called “populist rage,” a curious and revealing term for lynch law in Libya. Kamat queried Peter Bouckaert of Human Rights Watch about the existence and identity of Khadaffi's alleged “African mercenaries”: PETER BOUCKAERT: 'I think the whole story of the African mercenaries in Libya should be a case study for journalism schools .., as a prime example of irresponsible and lazy reporting. Rather than going out and investigating these rumors to find out whether they’re true, Western journalists from very reputable publications just published the rumors as true. And they talked about African men running wild, raping women and all of these things, which is just about as racist a myth as you can get...' Democracy Now reporters used to question authority and empire, not serve it... That's not what we see from Democracy Now's coverage in Libya today, which can hardly be distinguished from that of Al-Jazzeera or CNN..."<---> [In other words this hyped BS about Khadaffi's African Mercs was a disingenuously cynical excuse regurgitated by the MSNM Media, Al -Jazeera & DN! - to 'excuse' & explain away why this Al-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebel-Rousing Racist Lynch Mob was beating & lynching so many Black Libyans & Africans! Just as the MSNM Media, Al -Jazeera & DN! regurgitated that hyped BS about Khadaffi feeding his troops Viagra for mass rapes - while this Rebel-Rousing Racist Lynch Mob hyped by MSNM Media, Al -Jazeera & Democracy-Now!- as 'Freedom Fighters' for 'Democracy' {Malcolm X called it 'Nothing but Disguised Hypocrisy'} were Raping, Abusing & Terrorizing Black Libyan & African Women!!!]
Then there was Wed Sept 14 DN!' show, where DN! reporter Anjali Kamat [who's been in-bedded w {or in bed w} this Al-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebel Racist Lynch Mob almost from the start] reported that everybody in Tripoli was just rejoicing its fall to these FUK-US NATO backed 'Rebels'. YET- Far more outrageous than that specious claim was Ms Kamit's claim that she saw little evidence of FUK-US NATO's carpet-bombing of Libya especially in Tripoli [as Mr Dixon alluded to above]! BUT- FUK-US NATO's planes have run upwards of 10,000 bomb runs & counting [likely w an average of 2 - 4 bombs dropped per plane = as many as 40,000 bombs] & launched hundreds of cruise-missles. SO- Unless they dropped all of those bombs in the Mediterranean Sea &/or the middle of Libya's Saharan Desert - How The Hell Could Ms Kamat NOT See All of That Destruction Rained Down on Tripoli [& Now Sirte & other places in Libya]- Unless She Was Trying Really Hard NOT TO SEE IT?!!
Furthermore I can guarantee you I'm NOT [unlike frequent DN! guest & Libyan War Cheerleader Juan Cole - Note: www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/30/meet-professor-juan-cole-consultant-to-the-cia ] affiliated w the CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA, etc - IE: I'm Definitely NOT a COINTELPRO Agent Provocateur!!!
The rebels were trained by the CIA. What else could one expect?
I understand that both the US and UK had "boots on the ground" surrounding Gaddafi in Sirte for a fortnight before he was captured and put to death.
My quesion: who will gain access to Libya's ample suppy of oil?
Have a guess.
Canada was third in line.
Humans always act like this in war and revolutions. Mankind is a barbaric sort of creature and always will be. Even American generals, like Patreaus, don't give a damn about all the woman and children they are killing in drone attacks in Af/Pak. Bush never gave a second thought to all the civilians he caused to die. Obama doesn't care either.
If "civilized leaders" are barbarians; what can you hope to expect from untrained rebels? Not much... Just death! Kadafi is lucky they killed him quickly.
Imagine that the Obama administration had decided to stay with Gadaffi. The headline might then have stated: "GOP presidential candidates are abhorred that the US-backed dictator of Libya has committed mass murder in Benghazi. They call for the impeachment of President Obama". If you conclude that this is my whitewash of president Obama you are wrong. It is to illustrate that what was feared to happen in Beghazi is actually happening not only in Sirte but all over the area of Libya known as Tripolitania without a peep from the man in the White House. The sands of Tripolitania are turning into strategic quicksand for the occupant of the WH because dead bodies are very well preserved in it and will eventually all be discovered and counted.
"What would people in Europe and America say if Gaddafi was doing this?"
Hello? Gaddafi WAS doing it, not to dozens, but to tens of thousands of people over the past 42 years. And, while stealing $200 billion. That kind of money buys a lot of sycophants.
Really? Care to supply a reference? Looks like rubbish to me. I doubt that prior to the civil war he even killed 10k.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya
Less than 10,000? OK. Insane military dictators don't often keep accurate records of the number of people they murder, so the full number is difficult to know. But, my points are still valid.
Well that's just asinine. It's well known that Gaddafi was a brutal dictator who took power in a military coup, and murdered, tortured, raped and imprisoned thousands of his own people over a 42-year period. Are you denying that?
It's also well known that the Libyan people took courage from the Arab Spring revolutions in neighboring countries and began peaceful demonstrations asking for democratic reform, and that Gaddafi responded with a brutal crackdown against the demonstrators and promised publicly to kill all who opposed him. Do you deny that?
It's also well known that the Libyan people pleaded with the the outside world to intervene and save thousands of people in Benghazi from being massacred as Gadaffi's mercenaries advanced on the city. Do you deny that?
Furthermore, we now know that Colonel Gaddafi had amassed a $200 billion personal fortune. He was four times richer than the next richest person in the world. None of that money was rightfully his. It was all stolen oil royalties that rightfully belonged to the people of Libya.
As to "military interventionism," if France had not supported the colonies in the American Revolution with gunpowder, ammunition, money, military expertise and personnel, the British would have crushed us with their far superior military power. Do you think the French people were "wrong" for enthusiastically supporting the American Revolution?
If you think you are more knowledgeable than me, will you deny the above well-known facts? Will you tell us "what type of society was headed up by Gaddafi?" Was it the kind that spread stolen money around to pay for the loyalty of sycophants like you?
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Its known that this was an armed rebellion almost from the get-go [being mis-reported as a peaceful up-rising]. Its also known that hundreds FUK-US NATO Special Ops Mercs were on the ground in Libya by the 3rd week of Feb 2011. Its known Libya was on the NeoCon {s}Hit List of 7 targeted Muslim Nations [Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon] as reported by ex-NATO Gen Wesley Clark in 2002 -2003 during Bush Jr / Cheney / Bliar / NeoCon run-up to their Shock{ingly} & Awe{ful} Iraq Invasion. Its also known that France, UK & NATO had a war game exercise [Op Southern Storm] in Nov 2010 which was a near perfect prelude to FUK-US NATO's assault on Libya in March 2011 in lieu of UN Res 1973 - which Op Southern Storm also perfectly 'predicted' including the time of its enactment.
Its known that French Pres Sarkozy is a notorious anti-Muslim Bigot w a Napoleon Complex & its known that France slaughtered 1 million Algerians- Libya's neighbors to the west! Its also known the Italians under Mussolini slaughtered nearly half the population of Libya between WWI & WWII [& they attacked Ethiopia too]. Its also known that that Belgium [beginning w King Leopold] butchered millions of Congolese & worked w the US' CIA to overthrow & butcher Patrice Lumumba & backed Mobutu's long reign of Terror in the Congo. These AL-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebels have certainly picked a strange group of so-called 'liberators' - the very same western powers whose historical track-record is that of causing misery, exploitation, colonization, enslavement, devastation, & genocide of African & 3rd World Peoples! But then these Al-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Racist Rebel-rousers have been participating in wholesale Ethnic Cleansing & Lynching of Black Libyans & Black African migrant workers!
And if Khadaffi was really going to massacre everyone in Benghazi - when FUK-US NATO imposed that phony so-called 'R2P' no-fly zone, Khadaffi could still have starved Benghazi out by shutting off its fresh water supply from Libya's Great Man Made River [a Khadaffi project] that supplied 70% of Libya's fresh water. FUK-US NATO & their AL-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebel-Rousing Racist Lynch Mob actually did do exactly that when they seized Tripoli by cutting off its water & food supply while FUK-US NATO carpet bombed Tripoli's population slaughtering 1300 in Just one Day [& I'm sure they used the same murderous tactics on Sirte]!
I've never heard of your specious claim that Khadaffi had amassed a personal fortune of $200 BILLION- maybe you mean $200 Million? -or- perhaps you've mistaken him for Rothschild, Rockefeller or Oppenheimer -or- maybe you're [falsely] presuming that all of the assets of Libya's State Owned Bank under Khadaffi [which will likely now be so-called 'privatized'] all belonged to him alone rather than the Libyan people?.. I have heard that when Khadaffi took power in a BloodLess coup from Western puppet King Idris- that Libyans were some of the most impoverished & illiterate people in Africa, but under Khadaffi Libyans enjoyed the highest standard of living in all of Africa & one its highest literacy rates [& also amongst Arab countries]. Its hard for me to believe a guy w $200 Billion in the bank wouldn't take the money & run or buy off everyone he needed to when he saw FUK-US NATO was coming for his head! But we'll see now that Libya is so-called 'Liberated' by FUK-US NATO & their AL-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebel-Rousing Racist Lynch Mob- if Libya's Oil, Fresh Water & Banking Resources are used for the Libyan people or Privatized by Western Foreign Corporations from the FUK-US NATO Group! Also look for FUK-US NATO to re-establish military bases in Libya- likely to house AFRICOM!
You've "never heard...that Khadaffi had amassed a personal fortune of $200 BILLION?" Yes, that's billion with a B!
You are posting on the Internet! Yet you claim you have no access to current information? Are you in Communist China? I don't think so.
Gaddafi took power in a military coup and murdered, raped and imprisoned those who opposed him. He never held a single election in 42 years. You justify 42 years of brutality by claiming that the people Gaddafi crushed were "racists?" Absurd on it's face. Libyans didn't love Gaddafi, they feared him. 42 years without an election proves it.
You claim "this was an armed rebellion almost from the get-go," yet TV networks around the world showed video of unarmed demonstrators being brutally attacked by Gaddafi forces using tanks and automatic weapons. Your bullshit doesn't wash when daily TV broadcasts show the opposite.
Like Hitler and Stalin, Gaddafi only claimed to be for the people. In truth, all were paranoid dictators who held power by murdering and terrorizing their own people.
Death to tyrants! That is justice.
This is what I know about Khadaffi, Libya & $200 Billion- From Pambazuka News Article entitled: 'The execution of Gaddafi and the attempted humiliation of Africa' by Horace Campbell [ www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/77459 ]
> 'On Tuesday 25 October 2011 the Los Angeles Times reported that Libya had more than US$200 billion in reserves. As outlined in my article, ‘Global NATO and the Recolonisation of Africa’, it is no secret that leaders such as France’s Nicolas Sarkozy deeply want to get their hands on this money to save the banks in Europe and to save the Euro. But the crisis in the Eurozone area is too far gone and the depth of the structural and systemic crisis is too extreme to save the politicians who oversaw this military campaign inside Libya. '<
AND- From Info Wars Oct 25 Article: 'NATO Countries Set to Steal $30,000 from Each Libyan Citizen' - by Scott Creighton @ Poor Richard’s Blog
>The pro-Western corporatist media outlets are hurriedly trying to help spin every aspect of the murder of Moammar Gadhafi and the ongoing rape and pillage of the Libyan people’s assets. Yesterday Paul Richter of the LA Times wrote an article claiming [IE: spinning the truth] that Moammar Gadhafi was the richest man in the world, holding some $200 billion dollars in assets hidden all over the globe. Buried deep within the body of his article, the truth finally comes out… ["Most of the money was under the name of GovernMent Institutions such as the Central Bank of Libya, the Libyan Investment Authority, the Libyan Foreign Bank, the Libyan National Oil Corp, and the Libya African Investment Portfolio. The new $200 billion figure is about double the prewar annual economic output of Libya, which has the largest proven oil reserves in Africa.” – LA-Times' Paul Richter]... All of the money was invested in Libyan enterprises for the Libyan people but because “investigators” 'claim' Gadhafi {allegedly} could have accessed it {hypothetically}, the globalist spin on this wealth owned by the Libyan people, is that it was Gadhafi’s and not theirs. The difference is that if this money belongs to the people of the Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, then it must be returned to them and cannot be touched. If it were to belong to Gadhafi then it simply becomes spoils of war and can be seized by whomever claims it. The $200 billion dollar figure represents (as Richter points out) “about $30,000 for every Libyan citizen”. This is the amount that is about to be stolen from the people of Libya. The US has still got somewhere around 29.3 billion dollars of Libyan money it took at the beginning of this conflict. Other NATO partners also turned a profit thus far in this conflict. <
AND- From the BBC Aug 26: 'Libya {was} a relatively rich country [until this FUK-US NATO Assault]. According to the IMF, income per head {was} a relatively healthy $11,300 a year, putting it well into the top third globally. Oil and other natural energy resources are the lion's share of this, providing 25% of gross domestic product and 95% of export earnings. The country has 41bn barrels in oil reserves, the highest in Africa. These earnings lead to the development of the country's sovereign wealth fund, the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA), which has estimated assets of $65bn (£40bn)... Gold too is in abundance. The IMF estimates it has reserves of 4.6m ounces, worth about $8bn, among the highest per head of population holdings in the world. As former central bank governor Farhat Bengdara puts it: "We {didn't} need donors. Libya {was} a rich country. The state activities from the Libyan Investment Authority, the central bank and gold reserves are worth $168Billion. But it is all frozen" [by the FUK-US NATO Powers].<
Note these articles say Libya's State Owned Bank & Business Institutions [but most likely will now be so-called 'privatized' & looted by the FUK-US NATO powers] has $168 - $200Billion in reserves- NOT Khadaffi!
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Gaddafi was neither Hitler nor Stalin - They both had first rate military machines at their disposal during their reign which definitely in the Hitler's case [but potentially Stalin also] was a serious threat to World Peace [even though Hitler was financed by &/or did Biz w by the likes of the Rockefellers & other Wall St Banksters of that day, IBM, GM, De-Beers & others - but that's another story] - Which Khadaffi Obviously Did NOT have either the military to threaten or even seriously challege FUK-US NATO & was definitely NO threat to World Peace. IMO: A Far More accurate comparison of Khadaffi would be to Fidel Castro or better still Gamal Abel Nasser!
So because Khadaffi had no election in 42 yrs that in your mind justifies FUK-US NATO all out relentless assault on Libya?! So why didn't / don't they attack, bomb Saudi Arabia since the Saudis are a Family & Tribal Absolute Monarchy [= Dictatorship] in power since the early 1900s -&- after all Bin Laden & 15 of the alleged 9-11 hijackers [if you believe the '"Official" 9-11 Conspiracy Theory'] came from Saudi Arabia... Or Bahrain & Qatar also absolute Monarchies = Dictatorships - Oh I know why- They all backed this FUK-US NATO assault on Libya, w Qatar actually sending Special Forces Mercs to Embed w FUK-US NATO's Special Forces Mercs on the ground in Libya since the 3rd week of Feb [basically from the Get-Go], as the Saudis sent storm-troopers into the Bahrain to crush a Truly Peaceful uprising there! Or Egypt- since Mubarak was a military dictator for 30 yrs [Oh Yes- He did have Phony Elections from time to time], or Jordan which has been ruled by the Hussein Absolute Monarchy = Dictatorship since the 1951 to the present....
Thus your argument that Khadaffi [a 70 Year Old Man] deserved to be ASS Raped w a Knife, Tortured & then Slaughtered by FUK-US NATO's Al-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebel-rousing Racist Lynch Mob [when most of these other Arab Dictators encouraged, supported, & was in league w this pre-planned FUK-US NATO assault]- Because Khadaffi was a dictator for 42 yrs & didn't hold any elections?- Is simply BS! BUT- Obviously Your Point IS to Hype Your Pro- FUK-US NATO & their Al-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebel-rousing Racist Lynch Mob- BS Propaganda!
From the LA Times:
"Moammar Kadafi secretly salted away more than $200 billion in bank accounts, real estate and corporate investments around the world before he was killed, about $30,000 for every Libyan citizen... The new estimates of the deposed dictator's hidden cash, gold reserves and investments are 'staggering.'"
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/21/world/la-fg-kadafi-money-20111022
Also:
"The story was repeated around the world, with various news sites reporting that Gadhafi died richer than the three richest people on the planet – Carlos Slim, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett – combined."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/edwindurgy/2011/10/25/did-moammar-gadhafi-die-the-richest-man-in-the-world/
Your newspaper, Pambazuka News in South Africa, CHANGED the L.A. Times report, substituting "Libya" for "Moammar Kadafi." You should make a complaint to Pambazuka News for misleading you.
Yes, Libya's oil reserves make it a rich country. Those riches are what Gaddafi stole. Now that Gaddafi is dead Libya is still a rich country, but that wealth will no longer go to one man and his loyalists. Instead it will go to all of Libya, as determined by the democratic government the people elect.
I said Gaddafi was like Hitler and Stalin in that all were paranoid dictators who only pretended to be of the people. I said nothing about military strength.
"So because Khadaffi had no election in 42 yrs that in your mind justifies..."
As I said, it justifies the Libyan people's peaceful demonstrations demanding democratic reforms. When Gaddafi started killing the demonstrators, that justified the rebellion. When the rebels pleaded with the outside world to prevent a massacre, that justified the intervention.
Your continuing smears of the Libyan people as "racists," your twisting of known facts, and your silence about Gaddafi's 42 years of murders, rapes and imprisonments identifies you as a Gaddafi sycophant at the least, and perhaps a paid mercenary for him or some other tyrant — someone who participated in the murders, rapes and imprisonment of innocent people.
You can go to Hell, just like your hero dictator Gaddafi.
The MSNM News Media Press is spinning [Lying] about the truth as unofficial propaganda outlets for the FUK-US NATO & Qatari Saudi Cabal- I didn't just refer to one but 3 sources including the BBC & that LA-Times Author of this dis-information campaign which will give the FUK-US NATO Group the 'cover' they need to steal $200billion of the Libyan Peoples money! But Maybe you {deliberately} overlooked it so I'll quote the LA-Times' Paul Richter again: ['Most of the money was under the name of {Libyan} GovernMent Institutions such as the Central Bank of Libya, the Libyan Investment Authority, the Libyan Foreign Bank, the Libyan National Oil Corp. and the Libya African Investment Portfolio.']. So It is this Dis-Info agent Paul Richter who actually 'conveniently' substituted 'Khadaffi's Name for These Well Known OFFICIAL Libyan Gov't Institutions! But its 'convenient to try smear someone that you've openly Raped, Abused & Slaughtered in Broad-DayLight!
As to Khadaffi Rapes I suppose you're talking about that 'Khadaffi Has his Mercs Using Viagra for Mass Rapes LIE. From Pambazuka Article 'The top ten myths in the war against Libya' - by Maximilian C. Forte @ www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/77439 - Myth 5. VIAGRA-Fueled Mass RAPE: ['By June 10, Cherif Bassiouni, who is leading a UN rights inquiry into the situation in Libya, suggested that the Viagra and mass rape claim was part of a ‘massive hysteria.’ Bassiouni also told the press of a case of ‘a woman who claimed to have sent out 70,000 questionnaires and received 60,000 responses, of which 259 reported sexual abuse.’ However, his teams asked for those questionnaires, they never received them – ‘But she’s going around the world telling everybody about it…so now she got that information to Ocampo and Ocampo is convinced that here we have a potential 259 women who have responded to the fact that they have been sexually abused,’ Bassiouni said. He also pointed out that it ‘did not appear to be credible that the woman was able to send out 70,000 questionnaires in March when the postal service was not functioning.’ In fact, Bassiouni’s team ‘uncovered only FOUR 'alleged' cases of rape and sexual abuse...']
FYI NOW Hear This: 1/3 of the Libyan People ARE Black Libyans which your HEROES that AL-CIAeda / King Idris Affiliated Rebel-rousing Racist Lynch Mob [aka: the NTC]- keep 'convenient' accusing of being so-called 'foreign mercenaries' as they Abuse, Ethnically Cleanse, & LYNCH their 'fellow' Black Libyans.
Again From the Pambazuka Article: 'The top ten myths in the war against Libya' - by Maximilian C. Forte @ www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/77439 - Myth 4: Khadaffi's African Mercernaries: >' What this NATO foreign military intervention did do, was enable actual genocidal violence that has been routinely sidelined until only very recently: the horrific violence against African migrants and Black Libyans, singled out solely on the basis of their skin colour. That has proceeded without impediment or apology, and until recently without much notice. Indeed, the media even collaborates, rapid to assert without evidence that any captured or dead Black man must be a ‘mercenary.’ Recent reports reveal the insurgents are engaging in ethnic cleansing against Black Libyans in Tawergha. Insurgents calling themselves ‘The Brigade for Purging Slaves & Black Skin,’ vow that in the ‘new Libya’ Black People from Tawergha [& all of Libya] would be barred from health care and schooling in nearby Misrata [& presumably all of Libya too], from which Black Libyans had already been expelled [IE: Ethnically-Cleansed] by these insurgents. Currently, Human Rights Watch has reported: ‘Dark-skinned Libyans and sub-Saharan Africans face particular risks because rebel forces and other armed groups have often considered them pro-Gadhafi mercenaries from other African countries. We’ve seen violent attacks and killings of these people in areas where the National Transitional Council [NTC] took control.’ -
Amnesty International has also just reported on the disproportionate detention of Black Africans in rebel-controlled Az-Zawiya, as well as the targeting of UnArmed, migrant farm workers. Reports continue to mount with other human rights groups finding evidence of the insurgents targeting Sub-Saharan African migrant workers. As the chair of the African Union, Jean Ping, recently stated: ‘NTC seems to confuse Black people with mercenaries. {To the NTC} All Blacks are mercenaries. If you do that, it means that one-third of the population of Libya, which is Black, is also mercenaries. So They are killing {&} mistreating these people {&} normal workers.’ -
THUS- This ‘African mercenary’ myth is the Most Vicious of all the myths, and the Most RACIST!' < -
But you seem to conveniently confuse your Heroes- this AL-CIAeda / King Idris Affliliated Rebel-rousing Racist Lynch Mob [aka: the NTC] w ALL of the Libyan people even though 1/3 of Libyans ARE Black -&- Yet they've been specifically targeted by NTC Brigades! Does that mean you support Racists & Racism???
Judging by the paucity of articles on Libya at CD - let alone any that challenge the official NATO-as-liberator story - and the lacklustre number of comments that follow the few that do get published, Libyans will no doubt continue to face a wall of of international indifference. I suspect people in the West just can't get their minds around the mind-boggling Orwellian tropes that have attached themselves to the conflict. The right-wingers of the world always love a good war, so you can't expect much else from them. Sadly, however, the Left have been completely suckered on this one. Any old sob story about an oppressed country needing liberation from a brutal dicatator and the Left are complete pushovers.
"Successful" violent revolution always results in a new group of oppressors in charge. The means determines the ends. It does not matter what high ideals those in the revolution may have claimed to have, and perhaps even actually had at some point.