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Aliens May Destroy Humanity to Protect Other Civilizations, Say Scientists
Rising greenhouse emissions could tip off aliens that we are a rapidly expanding threat, warns a report
It may not rank as the most compelling reason to curb greenhouse gases, but reducing our emissions might just save humanity from a pre-emptive alien attack, scientists claim.
Watching from afar, extraterrestrial beings might view changes in Earth's atmosphere as symptomatic of a civilization growing out of control – and take drastic action to keep us from becoming a more serious threat, the researchers explain.
This highly speculative scenario is one of several described by a NASA-affiliated scientist and colleagues at Pennsylvania State University that, while considered unlikely, they say could play out were humans and alien life to make contact at some point in the future.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman of NASA's Planetary Science Division and his colleagues compiled a list of plausible outcomes that could unfold in the aftermath of a close encounter, to help humanity "prepare for actual contact".
In their report, Would Contact with Extraterrestrials Benefit or Harm Humanity? A Scenario Analysis, the researchers divide alien contacts into three broad categories: beneficial, neutral or harmful.
Beneficial encounters ranged from the mere detection of extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI), for example through the interception of alien broadcasts, to contact with cooperative organisms that help us advance our knowledge and solve global problems such as hunger, poverty and disease.
Another beneficial outcome the authors entertain sees humanity triumph over a more powerful alien aggressor, or even being saved by a second group of ETs. "In these scenarios, humanity benefits not only from the major moral victory of having defeated a daunting rival, but also from the opportunity to reverse-engineer ETI technology," the authors write.
Other kinds of close encounter may be less rewarding and leave much of human society feeling indifferent towards alien life. The extraterrestrials may be too different from us to communicate with usefully. They might invite humanity to join the "Galactic Club" only for the entry requirements to be too bureaucratic and tedious for humans to bother with. They could even become a nuisance, like the stranded, prawn-like creatures that are kept in a refugee camp in the 2009 South African movie, District 9, the report explains.
The most unappealing outcomes would arise if extraterrestrials caused harm to humanity, even if by accident. While aliens may arrive to eat, enslave or attack us, the report adds that people might also suffer from being physically crushed or by contracting diseases carried by the visitors. In especially unfortunate incidents, humanity could be wiped out when a more advanced civilization accidentally unleashes an unfriendly artificial intelligence, or performs a catastrophic physics experiment that renders a portion of the galaxy uninhabitable.
To bolster humanity's chances of survival, the researchers call for caution in sending signals into space, and in particular warn against broadcasting information about our biological make-up, which could be used to manufacture weapons that target humans. Instead, any contact with ETs should be limited to mathematical discourse "until we have a better idea of the type of ETI we are dealing with."
The authors warn that extraterrestrials may be wary of civilizations that expand very rapidly, as these may be prone to destroy other life as they grow, just as humans have pushed species to extinction on Earth. In the most extreme scenario, aliens might choose to destroy humanity to protect other civilizations.
"A preemptive strike would be particularly likely in the early phases of our expansion because a civilization may become increasingly difficult to destroy as it continues to expand. Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of the Earth's atmosphere, via greenhouse gas emissions," the report states.
"Green" aliens might object to the environmental damage humans have caused on Earth and wipe us out to save the planet. "These scenarios give us reason to limit our growth and reduce our impact on global ecosystems. It would be particularly important for us to limit our emissions of greenhouse gases, since atmospheric composition can be observed from other planets," the authors write.
Even if we never make contact with extraterrestrials, the report argues that considering the potential scenarios may help to plot the future path of human civilization, avoid collapse and achieve long-term survival.
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Show AllTotally goofy.
If the moon really is made of cheese, then maybe the aliens will tow it back to their planet and start making crackers.
Yup. Totally stupid. I thought scientists spent their money wisely on research. At this point, even billionaires can only make a brief trip into low-orbit, and the US is renting seats from the Russians now that the shuttle program is done. We're not threatening jack, except our kids.
Whenever scientists talk about things outside their area of expertise, they sound just as foolish as the rest of us.
If these aliens are at least as intelligent as the so-called intelligent life here on earth, then they would be smart enough just to wait out there until we have destroyed ourselves.
There's a fourth possibility that we're being governed by shape shifting aliens who are destroying our planet for her resources. Makes sense since humans with children wouldn't be destroying their own planet.
Oh, and a fifth possibility that I'm having a nightmare and everything will be okay when I wake up.
6th possibility: the old northern european pagans had a greater grasp of reality than do we moderns, and the other intelligent denizens, with whom we share this world (ie. residents of Alfheimr, Svartheimr, Vanheimr, Asgard, etc...) are taking measures to prevent the destruction of our common mother/empress; Earth. Could also be that they are confronting the same war between the Light & the Darkness, as do we, here, in Mannheimr/Midgard.
Thanks, INB. Everyone who posted before you has shown an incapacity to think outside of established frames; and so proud of their adherence to universal ignorance are they, that they think their limited conjecture somehow signifies high science, as meanwhile they chide any OTHER forms of conjecture. How many of today's "scientific discoveries" emerged from the imagination of a sci-fi writer cum visionary? The fear of seeing the world on new terms is nothing new to us mystics who have witnessed life's variables on far broader terms for centuries, and come to see so much hatred, and not only veiled threats, sent our way for the work of trying to liberate minds from the chains of artificial bondage.
Thank you S.R. I do mean what I said above.
I think They are returning to "hands-on" status, here in "Midgard", as announced in the crop circles (the real ones, which are easily checked against the hoaxes; BTW, thank you hoaxers for providing the comparison). In some future "age of exploration", we humans will be exploring the nine Realms/frequency domains (or however many there are) of AllMother Earth. We'll probably find that the UFO people are also Earth creatures like us, out exploring the various frequency domains. They certainly would have more motive to intervene in our affairs, than mere strangers from many light-years away, as our Earth is their Earth too.
I'm beginning to think the British are even goofier than we are. Granted, this article is based on a report by American academics, but I see no reason in publishing this nonsense other than a possible rear echelon raid on NASA and James Hanson's association with the agency.
When the ultra-right deniers get their hands on this they'll have a field day. It makes AGW proponents look as whacked-out as creationists, fundamentalists, and birthers. I don't watch Faux News but I'm willing to bet this will be their comic relief for the day (week? month? year?)
I don't have a problem with planetologists and cosmologists sitting around speculating about contact with aliens, or brainstorming a thesis for a new sci-fi novel, but to use this argument as justification for climate action is farcical. Might as well say that god will be very, very angry when he sees what we've done to paradise.
With friends like this, who needs enemies? Who is Ian Sample and why did he publish this? Why does CD feel compelled to grasp at straws? Good grief.
Thanks for writing how I feel. There has to be some kind of conspiracy behind publishing such utter nonsense! But what rally made me laugh out loud was the stuff about the "aliens" helping solve our problems of poverty and misery. Good grief! Are these pointed headed academics that naive? We KNOW how to solve such a problem, but there is this certain small minority of homo Sapiens driven by a psychopathic drive for wealth and power that keeps us from implementing the solution. This scientist would know too if he would just take a stroll across the grassy quadrange to Economics Department and ask for someone who specializes in Marxian theory.
Wow! This paper is a real treat on many levels. "Independence Day" has been playing daily on the cable movie channels for the last year, and couple this with Werner von Braun's deathbed statements to his secretary Carol Rosin. The game is afoot. What these guys are not telling you is that the solution to AGW is right up there in the skies every night, for anybody who gets out beyond the light pollution from the ground. The sky is literally full of activity from various vehicles. Seeing the solution doesn't require night-vision goggles, although they help. Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K41lidER-rg&NR=1 and you will see a conventional techno-geek calling himself "Dr Sky" trying to figure out what 6 vehicles moving together (with no clearance lights) might be. He says he needs exact locality and time so he can make sure it's not satellites. Are you kidding me? I see satellites all the time, mostly on polar orbits and they are NEVER flying in close formations. Or try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3IQyJnGEyU and at 30 sec you will see a delta-winged craft at great altitude moving at a very high speed - this one is classified and has 6 lights on the bottom (they do not blink EVER) and is not the TR-3B which only has 4. This stuff is all military and enough people know about it that even NASA saw the writing on the wall - no need for the pretend "space program" anymore. This is swallowing vast amounts of taxpayer dollars - remember Rumsfeld declaring that the military had "lost" 2.3 trillion dollars the day BEFORE 9-11? However, none of these craft are interstellar, but interstellar craft are also visible to somebody who is paying attention. It's just that they are extremely difficult to photograph. A few years ago I was pointing out a star cluster in Auriga to a friend and one of these appeared right where I was pointing and zipped across the sky to Sirius (halfway across the night sky) in about 1 second, at which time it disappeared. No clouds at all. It was 4 X the size of a commercial airliner but could have been much larger if farther out, which it probably was. It was pale blue. And like the first video, I have seen clusters of flashes that seem to be great distances "out there" meaning that there is more than one group here with electrogravitic technology and they may not like each other. For anybody who has been paying attention, nearly all research in electrogravitics went "black" in 1959, and the only physicists that we know are working on it are the ones who refused to join the military-industrial complex. I remember articles in Popular Science in the 50's that showed how you could park your "Jetson" car in the upper level of your garage! Of course, Ben Rich (director of Lockheed skunkworks), upset that nobody knew of all the technology that they had developed, told UCLA engineering school alumni in 1992 that ET wouldn't have to phone home because we could take him there (and be back for dinner)! But there is just too much money in exploiting depleting resources for which the prices can be jacked up to the point of economically ruining anyone who needs them - thus creating the new feudal state of debt slaves. There is no need for any of this - not the FED nor any predatory banksters, not the fossil fuels and eternally rising debt, not the destruction of the world economy for the benefit of the wealthy, nor the global warming that we cannot escape as we pour carbon from ancient ecosystems into the atmosphere. Furthermore, the idea that ET is going to come here and get rid of us because of global warming is absolutely the STUPIDEST con-game ever. Anybody writing this must be completely UNAWARE of the world around them.
Sorry to force this off the front page so fast. I apologize for my bad habit of ending discussions so abruptly. However one absolutely has to abandon the lame-stream media to find ANY thing out.
Since when can a satellite or any known earthly craft make maneuvers like this:
UFO's strange objects stopping over Denver Colorado June 11 2011 Xenonics Night Vision
Are they perhaps piloted by these guys:
Top Secret classified Russia KGB UFO Alien 2011
God will be very, very angry if she ever comes back and sees what we've done to paradise.
If god is ourselves - as most of the world's religions claim in some sense, (the Abrahamic religions excepted, apart from their mystic branches) - then we will be very, very angry, sad and/or disappointed when we realize what we're doing to paradise.
She already is angry. She is also very sad. Witness our own collective grieving for Gaia, who we are crucifying on the altar of capitalistic materialism daily.
They've been here; they tried to help; humans proved to be too backward*; they went home. Presente'.
*Euphemism for stupid, ignorant, greedy, really greedy, self-centered, self-involved, did I mention stupid?, and just plain dumb.
Obviously, this means that humanity should strike first. We need to immediately send nuclear weapons to every possible inhabitable planet and system. This should be taken on as the Apollo project of the new millennium. Like WW2 this could stimulate us out of our economic slump and bring back pride and values to make the human race triumphant and strong once again.
There you go! I thought I might find some true Amerikan sanity on this thread.
Thanks for the laugh. I needed that
...and maybe the best first step would be to establish a moonbase. Then tell all the teabaggers and right wing 'Patriots' to grab their guns and clubs. We're going to the moon boys to kick some alien arse!
or we could employ the ancient Welsh martial art of 'Llap Goch".
I read a science fiction story 35 years ago about an alien race who were monitoring earth after receiving radio signals to see how sentient/mature we were
It listed all the achievements including nuclear energy.
When 'the council' was informed that we were clearly exploding nuclear weapons in the atmosphere the response was "how stupid".
The implication was that life on earth was then destroyed because we were too moronic......
Im sorry but it is too late. The alien invasion started decades ago. It was quite a brilliant strategy. The aliens picked key politicians then sucked out 90 percent of their brains, and then programmed the last 10 percent with socially suicidal ideas. Some of these ideas were; there is no such thing as man made climate change, crooked big banks must be bailed out at tax payers expense, cut taxes to fix deficit problems, and cut unemployment benefits to create jobs. I could go on but you get the idea.
Sadly for the aliens they outsourced the brain sucking to the lowest bidder, who became careless and recently started sucking out 99% of the politicians brains. Bachman, Palin, and Perry are a few examples of their now almost totally brainless accidents. Being 99% brainless causes these politicians tend to confuse facts, and have difficulty in forming complete sentences.
When the Aliens discovered what had happened they thought their cover was blown, but to their delight the American public didn't even seem to notice...
NC-Tom -- Very funny parody with a modest probability of being absolutely true.
Not sure if you ever encountered John Carpenter's satire on alien yuppies -- "They Live!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live
A moderately amusing film, definitely in your genre.
Someone might want to check out "The Arrival", staring the irrepressible Charlie Sheen as a heroic radio astronomer who discovers that the massive release of CO2 is actually an alien terraforming project to eliminate human competition on earth. (Maybe the NASA researchers watched this one.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arrival_%28film%29
I am surprised that so many comments here at CD are generally dyspeptic and dismissive. Sounds about as sophisticated intellectually as a Tea Party rally-- or a typical Yahoo thread after an article on anthropogenic climate change.
There is at least a reasonable possibility, considering the vastness of the universe, that humans are not alone as an intelligent (well, semi-intelligent) species.
Frank Drake originally tried to come up with a probability equation for alien civilizations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
The difficulty is that no one knows with any certainty the values of the various factors in the equation. Carl Sagan, an enthusiastic optimist, believed there may be thousands of such civilizations-- just in our galaxy.
This, however, butts up against Fermi's Paradox -- where are they? Why haven't we heard from them?
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/cosmo/lectures/lec28.html
Other scientists such as Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee argue that, in fact, intelligent life will be exceedingly rare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis
Anyone actually interested in the topic of intelligent life in the universe might want to check out Seth Shostak's work at the SETI Institute.
http://www.seti.org/shostak
He also offers a lucid course on the major issues at The Teaching Company website-- and it requires no real background in the sciences.
Recently, Paul Davies has revisited many of the main topics of SETI inquiry in his book 'The Eerie Silence'.
http://www.amazon.com/Eerie-Silence-Renewing-Search-Intelligence/dp/product-description/1400115515
Although most scientists believe that actual reports of visitations are probably false:
"I think that it is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the results of the known irrational characteristics of terrestrial intelligence than of the unknown rational efforts of extra-terrestrial intelligence." — Richard Feynman
Actual contact with an advanced civilization would be one of the most shattering events in human history. The implications are absolutely monumental.
Most likely we are incapable of anticipating the actual nature of the encounter-- should it ever occur. Despite the parochial reactions of many people, it's good to see that someone is actually trying to think about the topic.
"Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so": Bertrand Russell
Well done, NC-Tom. Sounds like a candidate for a Tom Tomorrow strip.
Any sensible alien would use earth as a toxic dump for other space waste .. Surely we aren't the only planet with a waste problem.
This may also be the opening act for the rapture when the god fearing chosen leave the morally and environmentally bankrupt earth behind .
Didn't Bush talk about moving to Mars ... If only he had done so in the 90s ..
At least the comments were worth reading. LOL
This is the stupidest CD article ever.
Reinforces the worst right-wing stereotypes of "elitist" academia.
"---Another beneficial outcome the authors entertain sees humanity triumph over a more powerful alien aggressor, or even being saved by a second group of ETs. "In these scenarios, humanity benefits not only from the major moral victory of having defeated a daunting rival, but also from the opportunity to reverse-engineer ETI technology," the authors write---"
Oh FFS....have these idiots been watching too many American gung-ho patriotism movies like Independence Day and then actually believing its actual facts they're observing!? - Apparently mankind always wins out, always comes out on top no matter how absolute the odds, and it's always a massive moral victory when they do it, wave the American flag, and the American president is always truthful, honest, valiant and despite all that is still about a thousand times more credible than any real-life puppet that's been around for ages.
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"---The authors warn that extraterrestrials may be wary of civilizations that expand very rapidly, as these may be prone to destroy other life as they grow, just as humans have pushed species to extinction on Earth. In the most extreme scenario, aliens might choose to destroy humanity to protect other civilizations.---"
Who's to say we're not already in that situation but trust the scare-tactics of psyops to determine that anything not sanctioned by the powers that be must be a THREAT and dealt with in that regard.
Nevermind that advanced aliens would more than likely have the capacity to quarantine our world & actions, and have the ability to spend plenty of time to raise our understanding of the universe and our true place in it that tosses out completely all notions of human parochial power-mongering over each other, throwing away the concept of all money, and forever dispelling the control over the many by the privileged few who think it is they alone who know how to run this planet under their own rules of continuing power and avarice.
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The bullshit that passes as fact that aliens are dangerous and hellbent on destroying us is laughable because it would take no trouble at all to kill us off.
Just release a plague and kill us all.
Or simply nudge a big asteroid or two and let it wallop the Earth.
It matters not a jot how well prepared we are *on* Earth if all it takes is a weapon from space be it a nudged asteroid or something more exotic to hit us because we're just a sitting target. That's the nature of being stuck on a planet.
Has anyone else noticed that over the past few recent years that the level of 'awareness' of possible extraterrestrial alien contact has been growing and becoming more in the media not only from sources such as NASA but from goofy Vatican stuff and other places?
It seems like we're being primed for something. Is it something exploitative? Who knows? But look how much bullshit is being passed off as fact and gospel these days in the media and social universe.
What better threat than a supposed 'alien invasion' for measures to be put into place, global martial law, scaremongering, and don't ask questions just accept what we tell you is fact.
From the guys that brought you the hit series of Osama bin Laden now comes their next big blockbuster of When Aliens Attack.
Give me a break.
And as for arguments of the actual existence of intelligent extraterrestrial aliens, a lot of of the naysaying comes from the small minded thinking of people still shackled with religion and blinded by some crazy belief that life is very scarce and rare in the universe, so rare in fact that we're the only place that has life even though plenty of the truly vast universe has been around for a helluva long time even before our lovely planet was formed, and mankind has only been around for a million years or so, (or it's all just a few thousand including the creation of the Earth if you believe the religious nutjobs).
People sit around prognosticating they know it all but they're all still Earth-bound. They're just tiny mud crabs in a puddle looking out at the sky and believing that only their patch has any life.
Rather than the stubborn xenophobic belief that life is the exception in the universe, it's much more credible that life is far more likely to eventuate than previously thought.
2012 would be a good time for alien contact since mankind in one way or another is getting more primed for 'something' to happen, be it people decreeing its the end of the world, to people who laugh it all off and are looking forward to a grand end-of-year party for 2012 and all the years thereafter.
But it's also a condition to be exploited. Just as it has been in other ways as we've all seen.
Fake an alien invasion, invent a tentacled alien Oslimey bin Grabbin guy wearing a weird hat who's out to kill us all and suddenly the world is their oyster.
Science doesn't have all the answers yet but we're figuring out an awful lot of stuff all the time, that is when it's not being stymied by corporate crap, locked up in patents and copyrights and money-making, prostituted to keep the grants coming, or just flat out not investigated because there's no money in it.
In the meantime the religious wackjobs are having a field day and no doubt will go even more crazier as the end of 2012 approaches.
I for one don't look forward to our new alien overlords from the planet Xe.
(that cesspool world that used to be known as Blackwater)
Yes, it is plausible that a fake 'alien invasion' is being planned global oligarchs as the next big False Flag. We might even speculate that they already have the flying saucer technology to make it plausible. Then of course there are many who say the aliens are already here--and numerous different types of aliens. This is a big mystery. One thesis is that the Nazis developed flying saucer technology, and that the US took it over after WW II. It was kept secret by the US for strategic superiority over the Soviets. The meme of 'alien watchers' was created to fool people. The 'alien abductions' were/are done by CIA, not aliens. (According to my research, *some* abductions actually have been traced to the CIA, which lends this overall thesis some plausibility.)
One absurdity of the article is the assumption that humanity could defeat an alien invasion. Not a chance. If an extraterrestrial race could reach earth, they would necessarily have total strategic, technological superiority over us. This is only logical. It would be like the US military of today invading some tribal culture like the US circa 1770s. Machine guns, hand grenades and fuel-air explosives vs. bow and arrow and spear.
Second assumption of the article seems to be that 'they' are not already here. How can we be sure of this? How *do* we explain UFO activities? 'Alien abductions'? Crop circles? Granted, they could not get here by any vehicular transport technology we know about. But if they are millions of years beyond us in evolutionary time, they could perhaps use wormholes to travel through, crossing vast regions of interstellar space in a relatively short time.
OLD BEFORE: Thank you. You raised many interesting points. Randy G began that process, and as to the idea of "why haven't we seen them...." How many in this forum have the imagination to picture our world before developments like electricity or flight made for life as we now know it? We presume from our present stance that we can access all that is to be known, as if there may not be less dense spheres of activity which don't meet the tests of our materially-devised instruments. -----------------------------------------------------
To the extent earth is a school room, and the basic lesson plan involves learning to get along... a premise that authoritarians and fundamentalists of all camps see resolved by making everyone think, look, and act alike (as if that premise were even possible, given gender and racial distinctions), rather than teach, not a strained tolerance for differences, but rather the understanding that it takes all the different facets to make and sustain a holistically designed Creation paradigm, or living (truly living) system. In other words, no agency of salvation is allowed to enter our world until humanity learns from its errors. -----------------------------------Now whether or not mercy will be shown to those who have learned, have responsibly cut back on their consumer-driven lifestyles, and expanded their thought process to embrace others, is yet to be seen. Perhaps a form of Deliverance will occur...and 2012 would, of course, pose as a most excellent target date.
Mr. Time or if I may, Old,
"... belief that life is very scarce and rare in the universe ..."
Who knows?
But, what we do know is that Life is willing to or wants to go everywhere, whether it's a super hot vent or ice, moist or dry, full bright or blackness, land sea sky, Life tries to expand its boundaries, its range, and fill every niche.
Ancient ice was sliced and put under a microscope and immediately, upon thawing, Life forms started moving.
A Rhododendron is growing today that comes from a seed that sat in a clay vessel, underwater, for thousands of years.
It is entirely possible that a spore, distributed randomly, could travel indefinitely through space, waiting for the proper conditions to germinate.
It is entirely possible that all Life forms are not carbon based.
Who knows?
"A preemptive strike would be particularly likely in the early phases of our expansion because a civilization may become increasingly difficult to destroy as it continues to expand."
GREAT a universe full of George Bushs' - I suppose an alien gray with the looks of Colin Powell will show us cartoons to justify the preemptive strike.
As to my conspiratorial side:
Articles like these send off warning signals.
Are the grounds being laid for another massive psyops?
Paul Krugman - offhandedly, of course - states this week that only through a fake alien invasion could we pull ourselves out of recession.
Supposedly, Werner Van Braun on his deathbed stated that the MIC would use 4 different scenarios to keep the war machine going.
These 4 "scenarios" would be in chronological order:
1) the Cold War
2) Terrorism
3) an asteroid hurtling towards earth
4) alien invasion
All of these scenarios would be totally cooked up by the global elite/MIC to gin up more business and keep the world's populations in line.
Again, don't know if this is true but worth a conjecture as we're discussing alien invasion in this article.
Also, if anyone is curious, check out Operation/Project Blue Beam which some believe is the next big psyop to hit humanity.
In the first phase, ancient alien artifacts are uncovered confirming the existence of alien civilization and that it had contact with ancient humans.
(Aside: they maybe just "found" a flying saucer in the Baltic Sea last week?
Underwater Discovery Sparks Rumors Of Crashed UFO In Baltic Sea Between Finland And Sweden
http://www.aol.com/2011/08/01/underwater-ufo_n_915429.html)
Next, this causes a reordering of the human constucts - religion, philosophy, science - as we come to "realize" how indebted/connected we are to said alien race.
After humanity is "down" with our alien past, using HAARP to project gigantic holographs in the sky and ELF (extremely low frequency) sound waves to shoot messages from the "aliens" into our heads, the elite/MIC stage a massive "close encounter" where we are told through "mind meld" that our new saviors and overlords have returned to put things on Earth right again.
I know this is farfetched and I don't necessarily believe it.
However, ten years ago, I wouldn't have believed that I would witness a false flag event the size of 9/11 in my lifetime so I think it's good to be aware of what "some people say" is coming.
At the very least, it's good bar conversation.
Interesting and plausible speculations, polycarpe.
This is a joke, right?
A little Montypythoneque British silliness, yes?
The real problem will be when all the furry little creatures we've killed take their revenge
Go to the original article and the much-more numerous comments from the British readers. Very entertaining.
No need for aliens. We are sooooo accomplished at destroying ourselves.
Clearly these people have too much free time. The astronomer Neil de Grasse Tyson gave a talk a year or two ago (available on U-tube) about why we have had no contacts with extra-terrestrials who are super-advanced relative to us.
He said something to the effect:"When you walk down the street and see a worm on the sidewalk, do you stop to consider it carefully? And if you just walk by, does the worm know you were there?"
And when Enrico Fermi asked Leo Szilard (a Hungarian physicist) where those super-intelligent creatures were, Szilard replied:" They live quietly among us. We call them Hungarians." I like that reply, but Tyson's is probably more realistic.
Explorer aliens that came to Earth and found the most intellegent being here were primates, set about creating a new race using these various primates. For many, the results were so terrible they had to be destroyed. But they finally found success with two types of the species that had good results. In time, after many failures, a new species began to emerge that gave them hope. They continued working with this new species, but just when they felt success was around the corner, they were called back to the home planet that was under attack. So they left a few of their members behind to carry on with the project, and keep close records of everything they did, telling them they'd be back as soon as they could.
Centuries passed, and the project had been abandoned when the subjects began to multiply so quickly it was impossible to keep track of them. They soon covered the planet. The aliens eventually died out, leaving behind the proof of their success, and the early records of the project, which they'd named Genesis.
The aliens never came back to Earth, although when they could, they came within viewing distance of the planet and from there have watched the progress of their project. The time came when they realized they'd created monsters, and after centuries of watching the bloody marches across the face of the planet, finally realized there would be no end of it, and eventually this species they'd created would find its way into space and destroy them. It was time for them to return to Earth and eradicate every last atom of the project.
"Would Contact with Extraterrestrials Benefit or Harm Humanity?"
hmm, that seems a rather subjective question. life isn't all about what benefits or harms humanity. we've been skipping down that road with our me-me telescopes truned backwards way too long now. tunnel vision blinding us all the way to those annoying but clearly marked signs which read, [DEAD END!] and [WARNING BRIDGE OUT!]
We're definitely not worth bothering with.
I certainly would stay away from humanity if I could, and I am one of "them." I can only imagine the revulsion that another highly intelligent and sentient being would experience at knowing about us and our history of misery, hate, contentiousness, idiocy, endless violence, and total disrespect for the world that made us possible in the first place.
The headline looks really goofy, but it turns out to be highly misleading. It's not like a group of scientists decided our biggest risk is aliens might destroy us because we pollute too much. Scientists were asked to speculate on possible outcomes of alien contact. It's not like they said, "we should stop global warming because aliens will invade if we don't!", though I expect that's how it will be portrayed.
One look at creatures like Newt Gringrich and Michele Bachman, Donald Trump and Sara Palin and it's obvious the aliens are here and are extremely harmful already.
Being thousands of light years away from our nearest solar system, Proxima Centauri, it is highly doubtful that any living organism could make it through the gamma rays of space, traveling for eons all the way to earth. Machines could however. Any ET's would probably come from our own solar system, which is highly doubtful according to what we already know. That does not mean that we are not being watched and that such described scenarios and conclusions are impossible. Though science denying end-timers and oligarchs could use this report to gain advantage at public cost, it is a good wake up call for the rest of us.
Great comments on this article.
"Aliens May Destroy Humanity to Protect Other Civilizations, Say Scientists"
Aliens may sit back and relax - destroying humanity we appear to manage ourselves.
Bingo!
Randy G, Aug 19 2011 - 12:07pm, gave us an interesting posting. I love the Russell citation.
I nonetheless retain my deep pessimism regarding the human species, and my skepticism about the interest it might present to intelligent creatures from other worlds. We are extremely slow learners who have been making the same mistakes for centuries, and such a feature is terribly unattractive. We're well on the way to destroying our beautiful home and thereby ourselves. Such would be immediately clear to external observers: why would they lift a finger and expend energy and resources to hasten our demise? In formulating the latter scenario, our scientists are yielding to the worst form of contemporary ideology, i.e., that of the rampant fear mongering that has produced the last ten years of imperialist savaging.
I think these folks need to step out of their observatories and join the rest of us fighting the present deadly Alien attack already on our planet.
The Aliens are called Corporations and they are killing us all and will destroy all living things on this blue planet we call earth. Time to see the corporations for what they are!!
Actually, i would like to add "They Live!" from John Carpenter, sometime in the mid eighties. It sure is one explanation of what is going on here on planet earth.......
I see I've stumbled onto the National Enquirer website ...