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Crews 'Facing 100-Year Battle' at Fukushima
A nuclear expert has warned that it might be 100 years before melting fuel rods can be safely removed from Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant.
Fukushima Nuclear Plant -- Handout photo taken by a camera attached to the tip of the arm of a concrete squeeze pump shows inside the broken building housing the No. 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station in Fukushima Prefecture on March 24, 2011. Steam is seen rising from around a fuel-handling crane (top L, green). The pump's 50-meter arm has been used to pour water into the spent fuel pool of the reactor as part of efforts to get the crippled plant under control. (Photo courtesy of Tokyo Electric Power Co.) The warning came as levels of radioactive iodine flushed into the sea near the plant spiked to a new high and the Wall Street Journal said it had obtained disaster response blueprints which said the plant's operators were woefully unprepared for the scale of the disaster.
Water is still being poured into the damaged reactors to cool melting fuel rods.
But one expert says the radiation leaks will be ongoing and it could take 50 to 100 years before the nuclear fuel rods have completely cooled and been removed.
"As the water leaks out, you keep on pouring water in, so this leak will go on for ever," said Dr John Price, a former member of the Safety Policy Unit at the UK's National Nuclear Corporation.
"There has to be some way of dealing with it. The water is connecting in tunnels and concrete-lined pits at the moment and the question is whether they can pump it back.
"The final thing is that the reactors will have to be closed and the fuel removed, and that is 50 to 100 years away.
"It means that the workers and the site will have to be intensely controlled for a very long period of time."
But Laurence Williams, Professor of Nuclear Safety at England's University of Central Lancashire and the former head nuclear regulator for the UK, is relatively comfortable with the situation.
"I have been monitoring it for the last couple of weeks and [the] three reactors seem to be more or less unchanged from initially when they got into the seawater flowing into them," he said.
"We don't know exactly the state of the fuel in those reactors but looking at the data, the pressures and temperatures look fairly stable over the last couple of weeks.
"My view is that as there hasn't been any sort of major catastrophic release of radioactivity, if they can continue to get the fresh water into the reactors and cool them, the decay heat is now fairly stabilising.
"It will take some time before it disappears but so far, so good. But it will take some time to bring under control."
Both experts agree capping the damaged reactors with concrete is not an option.
Meanwhile the Wall Street Journal says it has obtained disaster-readiness plans which show the facility only had one satellite phone and a single stretcher in case of an accident.
The blueprints also provided no detail about the possibility of using firefighters from Tokyo or national troops - both of which have been part of the response to the Fukushima crisis - to deal with any disaster.
Levels of radioactive iodine-131 in the Pacific off the plant have been recorded at a new high of 4,385 times the legal limit.
In 2002, the plant's operator TEPCO admitted to falsifying safety reports, leading to all of its 17 boiling water reactors being shut down for inspection.
TEPCO has already vowed to dismantle the four reactors at the centre of the world's worst atomic accident in 25 years, but now Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan says the Fukushima plant must be scrapped.
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Show AllThe expert quoted in the article is the former head nuclear regulator in the UK. That's not exactly an unbiased person.
But, yes, there are always plenty of university professors who understand they can get big grants from corporations for their projects so they willingly schill for them. No shortage of them at all.
It seems to me to be more a problem of interpretation, rather than hard facts.
Agreed.
I'd also say that the confusion in most people's minds of different aspects of the crisis and fairly low understanding of radiation and radioactive substances amongst those doing most of the discussing worsens the interpretation problems.
For instance, in this article, some professor says he finds the situation in the reactor to be stabilizing, while it is also said that actual shutting down the reactor may take 50-100 years.
People take one bit of this and leave out the rest, then call the guy a shill.
Why?
Because they cannot seem to see the situation in the way this scientist can -an extremely dangerous and barely controlled reaction that nonetheless can conceivably BE controlled at great cost for a very long time until the danger can be genuinely lessoned, all the while pouring a steady stream of radioactive water into the environment causing harm.
They are waiting for the bomb to go off or for the fix to work.
But the former can still be avoided and the later will only be seen after most of us are dead and gone.
So they are not understanding or not willing to understand this possible scenario, fine. But because of this lack of understanding or for some other reason, they then throw out all kinds of facts from all over the place -damage to the ocean, radioactive pollution of nearby areas, bursts of radiation from the reactors, etc. These facts seem to only be united by the heading "scary stuff", yet they are presented as intimately linked parts of a chain of evidence that someone else is lying about the actual chain of evidence of a particular part of the crisis!
Mass confusion results.
-matti.
Yeah, much as I like this forum, sometimes I just give up because a bunch of people will log on and muddy up the conversation with rumors, facts 'out of context' and just plain hyperbole. I usually come back the next day and try to comment on stuff I know a little about - and ask questions about the stuff I don't know. Not to mention the mud-slinging that gets carried away (or the 'spooky' interpretations of nonsense). I sure don't like the way guys who support nuclear power get hammered just for voicing their opinion - they are the very guys we need to reach, not insult.
But this is one of the better forums around - the lousy articles often get very good discussions going, and a lot of us are fairly well educated (enough so to know we have so much more to learn). And this is one subject that disappeared for a very long time - because no new reactors were being built. Out of sight; out of mind.
Agreed on all points! :)
That is so enjoyable to write.
To support Nuclear Power with intergrity is perfectly acceptable, what is not acceptable is to purposely misinform people so as to continue to have income from a deadly industry.
The Ocean is not a viable sewer in though Humans treat it as such.
Many, Many forms of life strain the ocean water for sustenance and ingest anything in that water and send it up the food chain to dumb ass Humans.
There is no way in Hades that anything dumped in the Ocean does not eventually enter the web of life.
Tepco is reporting widespread radiation, we can believe that as a minimum.
I was playing golf today and I hit a slice. My friend says to me, "you know why they call if golf...because fuck was already taken".
The name G O L F comes from Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden.
"The name G O L F comes from Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden"
Actually not, but that's always been a funny one (not sure if you were joking or not, sorry)...interestingly, there are records dating back to the Song Dynasty in China describing golf there in great detail...several clubs, a driver, hitting a ball into a hole, etc. I wonder how all those "gentlemen" would feel about their game actually being invented by the Chinese, lol.
Cheers mate.
Hmmmm- and they called it and spelled it GOLF? ok, ya.
Wow, really? You're jumping in with that? I didn't say the 'word' golf, comes from China. What I said was the 'game' originated there. The Chinese called it chuiwan. The word 'golf' is derived from either the Dutch word kolf, or the Scottish word goulf, about which there is some debate. oR ShOulD i sAy duTcH WoRD kOlf or ThE ScOTtiSh WoRD gOuLf? Either way, records and drawings of the game were noted over a thousand years ago in China...long before the earliest records anywhere else.
KOLF is dutch for club or rifle butt.
Yes, thank you VanDerB...!!!
It is also the singular form of Kolven, a Dutch game played on a court with a club and balls. But I guess you already knew that, sorry. Some, apparently, trace the modern game of 'golf' in the west to this game in the Netherlands. Some claim golf (the modern game not the word) came from Persia, while others claim it is derived from a Roman game...though the clearest similarity seems to be with the Chinese game. Of tremendous interest also is that the Scots word 'goulf' means to strike. So I'd guess it should have ended up being called 'boxing'. But wait, that's another sport already...And then there is Pall Mall, a similar game derived from the English cambuca or the French chambot...and here I thought Pall Mall was the name of a cigarette. Oh, it's just all too controversial and confusing isn't it?
Actually, it is an interesting tidbit of information, and I'm glad I "jumped in on it"!
""The name G O L F comes from Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden"
Actually not, but that's always been a funny one (not sure if you were joking or not, sorry)...interestingly, there are records dating back to the Song Dynasty in China describing golf there in great detail..."
And you were wOnDeRiNg WhY i "jumped in on it"?
Thanks for your comment sLiM,
Sorry that I probably misinterpreted your original comment...thinking you were saying what I had posted couldn't be true...anyway, apologies again. Yes, it's an interesting tidbit of information, I agree - however off topic, lol.
Honestly, I had just made the joke, as it seemed a bit analogous to the frustrations of nuclear things, however dissimilar in terms of 'seriousness', obviously. Well, that's the nature of humor. Then found myself researching the etymology of the word golf and the game's history.
Actually, I had no idea about any of that info regarding he history of golf, prior to this little conversation here. I researched it, in response to the Gentleman Only Ladies Forbidden comment, which I had heard before but doubted. And, lo and behold, found myself in ancient China, ultimately following the Mongolian conquerors to the Netherlands. I had always thought golf originated in Scotland, as many people think.
And, as if that weren't enough, in my meanderings on this topic, I came across a website that claims to document who invented the hamburger, as well as how and why they did. It seems that, in addition to bringing 'golf' to Europe, the hamburger was also brought to the West by its inventor - Genghis Khan! LOL It is claimed that the hamburger was a practical way to eat ground meat with one free hand while riding horses. Just when you thought you'd heard everything....
Thanks- and yes, when I saw your original comment amongst all the serious (and rightfully so) ones, I thought- "ah- this guy's fun, let's take minute and lighten it up" and I also got an interesting little story about golf; a great deal!
RE; hamburger. I wouldn't doubt it one bit. Of course, the American view has always been that it was invented in- you guessed it- America. There is a restaurant up the road from me in Louisville, KY that claims to be the spot where the cheeseburger was invented. I don't understand this "everything was invented HERE" mentality, but, what the hay...
Have a great day spuds.
Hey sLiMsHaDy (bit of a tit to type that),
Thanks and yes, a bit of humor is good, even in serious times. ...perhaps especially so. That's one thing about all the political correctness that has overtaken America that is unfortunate...people are so afraid of saying the wrong thing that a lot of lightheartedness is lost. It's one thing that is so great about the British, their sense of humor. They love taking a piss out of anything.
Anyway, thanks Slim and have a great day too.
Well, that's a relief. Just under 100 years and everything will be back pristine times, radiation gone, newer cleaner sources of energy. All's well that ends up snafu.
Be unique to see what how challenging this will be to the disaster capitalism crew trying to make more profit from yet another disaster.
Can you say nuclear insanity. After reading this you should be able to.
Believe me, I have long thought that nuclear was insanity. Just the 'after' video and pictures of hiroshima and nagasaki made that clear. Trying to use nuclear for power or energy doesn't negate any bit of that insanity.
"Both experts agree capping the damaged reactors with concrete is not an option."
Why isn't this an option?
So, is the plan to allow low levels of radiation to show up in Massachusetts drinking water, Washington state milk and California wine & lettuce for the next 50 to 100 years.
The cumulative dose of small levels of radiation over that period doesn't sound healthy at all.
Neo-liberal economists (Larry Summers, Ben Bernake & the little tax cheat that runs treasury) probably have figured that Americans that live past age 40 begin using more resources than they contribute to GDP.
So in their little, warped, economic world, if American life expectancy were reduced due to Fukushima radiation fallout, that would be good for the economy - no one lives to collect social security or a pension, accrues much vacation or seniority & no more geriatric healthcare costs.
Hell, I'm nowhere near retirement age and specialists don't know why my lymphatic system isn't draining properly on my right side - and I was exposed to radiation as a kid... also other deadly things. So many contaminants from so much industrial pollution makes it hard to pin down one cause - it could be several contributing factors, as in Russia. And not much money goes into unbiased research (if any can be called 'unbiased' anymore).
If fascism isn't stopped in its tracks, there will never be any honest investigation let alone unbiased information - and there's nothing we can do until the corporations, military, and bankers are stopped. But I'll bet your neighbors aren't concerned.
It isn't an option because it won't work!
At least not as simply as that.
There is no "plan" to "allow" the leak to continue for 50-100 years. That is not what these Profs are saying. They are saying that that may be all that we can hope to do: pour water on the thing until it cools in at least half a century, pollution not to be helped.
We have to stop seeing this as just some sort of "act right or act wrong" choice. This is the worst nuke plant disaster ever, and unless something changes or somebody can come up with some brand new miracle solution, it is going to continue to be so ACTIVELY for the rest of most of our lives. The choice may well be between dumping a small river of radioactive water into the ocean for a century or allowing a full meltdown. A long, slow, steady worst-thing-ever, or a fast, even-worser-thing-ever AND the same slow worst-thing-ever to follow it.
Building a nuke plant to generate electricity was the wrong act here.
That happened 50 years ago.
The 46ft wall of water that hit the thing was the "POW moment" -the gunshot- of the disaster, and everything following is the bleeding out of the victim and the attempt to keep him from clawing everyone around to death him in his dying agonies.
The only RIGHT choice that can be made on the scene was made the second the disaster was understood -contain it as best as possible for as long as it takes to no longer need to be contained (hold him down till he dies).
The choice that we not on the scene must make is: End the Atomic Age (decommision all existing reactors, build no new ones, clean up and contain the waste as much as we can, make sure people aren't stupid enough to try it again) or not?
-matti.
I finally got tired of posting replies to the people who think the 'Chernobyl' solution was the way to go - I doubt if they even know what was really done at Chernobyl. I hate to bother with people who don't bother to read the other posts, but cd has a bad habit of having articles - and thus the comments - disappear. Gone.
One thing for sure - the rose-colored glasses led to this fiasco. It's corporate culture on steroids, especially in Japan, land of obedient people. I was flabbergasted when the emperor showed up at a refugee center! That was a stunning recognition of how really FUBAR the situation has become.
There is a creaky old reactor just like that one not far enough away from me. I am far enough to get away if something happened, but if there was a bad accident in the middle of the night, I'd never know. And I can't stand any more radiation...
People used to wonder why I kept so many old milk jugs around. Wonder if they've figured it out yet...
Don't worry,
It's always been mostly lies:
religion government news education military
more lies--
"It will take some time before it disappears but so far, so good. But it will take some time to bring under control."
Notice how radiation is USA is always described as minuscule or minute, but no one is saying or reporting how much radiation in the USA
even rabid tea party can make radiation go away
Yes, the amounts are being reported - and they are (so far) insignificant (0.8 picocuries in the milk in Spokane) - or at least as much as they can be, considering I don't consider ANY extra radiation acceptable, and especially since the regulatory agencies are fully captured.
After the Challenger space shuttle exploded, for several hours, the news reported how there might be survivors. When I saw the film, I wondered how anybody could have considered that possibility.
Ths coverage of this disaster sounds as delusional as that.
How can six reactors be melting down, and it be nothing but a disaster of the biggest proportion? Radiation released into the air. A gazillion gallons of radiated seawater evaporating and returning to the ocean. I suspect the magnitude is so big, the news, and esp the Japanese officials, are not willing to face and admit the reality.
Don't over-react. There are only 4 reactors at that site, and one was already shut down for inspection. That's the one with the live fuel in the spent fuel pool - the one in the picture. That big green thing is the crane, and it appears to be resting on the spent fuel racks. There doesn't seem to be any water visible anywhere, but I can't see how there could be melted fuel without burning up or melting a lot of that debris. (But you CAN see the steam boil up every time they dump water - and it's not coming from the top, so it looks like rods have melted down already...)
Of the three reactors there that SCRAMMED, one seems to be leaking - but between the debris and radiation, nobody can get close enough to check, let alone try to fix anything. Oh yeah, they're apparently running out of those 'bunny suits' - and the workers on site are exhausted. (What's this about getting them food today?)
Yesterday I heard hardened (against radiation) robots were being shipped in, but I don't know how they'll get through the debris, whether water will block them, or what capabilities they might have beyond measuring radiation - which seems to be one of the biggest problems right now.
I think what the Japanese government has done to those people living in proximity to the plant is a crime against humanity - they're using them as guinea pigs, or pawns in their political games. I find that particularly disgusting, and nobody around the world dares challenge them, even thought they know what's going on (like the IAEA).
What is this BS about only measuring AIR SAMPLES - and not 'bothering' with ground contamination? What the hell???
there are 6 reactors at Dai ichi
one BW3 four BW4s and one BW5
reactors 1, 2 and 3 have all sufffered loss of cooling and have fuel rods exposed
reactor 4 was down with its fuel rods moved to the storage pool, which has boiled away and then the secondary containment building exploded.
reactors 5 and 6 are estimated to be in a safe condition now with power restored.
Here is the status report for March 30 at Dai ichi
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/jaif_30march.png
then there is F. Daini across the bay, which innitially lost cooling to 3 more reactors and started to over pressure. But they seem to have got that working again. A close call there.
I really don't know what they can do, I mean there are over 30 million people within 100 miles of that plant. where do they all go?
Weather reports are predicting that the wind may shift to the NE which will blow into Tokyo.
Yes, I know how the plant is layed out and where everything is, as well as the conditions at other reactors and plants. I get the daily status reports, TEPCO updates, as well as UCS and IAEA and Suzuki's updates. Also check up on Arnie Gunderson too - he finally got a look at some video I saw a few days ago and came to a similar conclusion, sort of. Most of what I've learned (in the early going) was from video shot by people who didn't even know what they had - amazing because they had their 'facts' all mixed up.
As for where the people went - Fukushima took a lot, but many older people decided to stay, in spite of what they knew would be their fate. Journalists (with their geiger counters handy) have been venturing into the 'dead zone' and interviewing them whenever they can get a driver to dash in and out. It's really sad. They are resigned to their fate, but the older ones probably knew they were already doomed. I think the reason they haven't extended the evacuation area is because they have nowhere to put all those people (and the island is only about 100 miles wide) - they never had an evacuation plan, but we don't have one either, and many would be impossible with our population concentrations.
Do you know if any of the guages are working - or are they still depending on ir readings? They only had power to the lights, last time I heard, and everything else was either dead or on back-up generators.
AB,
I was reading a synopsis today that said that all the instrument wiring as well as the power leads run through the basement for units 1 thru 4. That is why they are having a hard time getting instrumentation.
This link is for a talk given by a guy who worked at Oyster Creek for 20 years and was in on the clean up of TMI-2. Sounds like he's got his s**t together. This is more informative than anything else I have seen.
atomicinsights . com/2011/04/fukushima-nuclear-accident-exceptional-summary-by-murray-e-miles . html
Bill
Kind of figured that when I saw the lights on but none of the instrumentation. How hard is it to string wire for lights? Wonder what - if anything - will work when they do get power up? There's certainly nothing left that can be controlled - the place is demolished and drowned - just gauges, maybe.
Thanks for the address. I knew about the circuitry being in the basement right away - that information was released, and apparently it was a change some people (who actually work on these things) weren't aware of - they didn't know why there were no instrument readings in the photos released by TEPCO (last week).
I was also frustrated that those government ninnys kept gloating about how well things were going in #5 & #6, when they were well aware of the different situation - that was deliberately misleading. By the way, those were both shut down just like #4, and nobody has said (to my knowledge) whether the fuel rods were also removed to the spent-fuel pool yet, or still in the cores (I assume so from the temp readings).
I learned a lot of the things I had heard (from the Miles report) - and some I figured out - were right, according to this guy. I didn't know about the fuel rods or the breach in the upper pool (or even about the service pool) - that explains some of my former questions regarding damage to the #4 building, which was inconsistent with a large spent-fuel meltdown, and apparent assumptions made by a lot of people who know these reactors set-ups. There are still a lot more questions I'd like to find answers to, and I hope he gives some sort of update.
As to the 50-mile limit - I don't think the guys who called for it knew about the upper pool either, and were afraid the main pool was dry. Their call was conservative, with the information they had and all the dithering from TEPCO and the Japanese governement. Not having boron/boric on hand, lacking dosimeters, or even enough bunny suits, and no way to get water into the reactors or pools would have made them look foolish NOT to call for the evacuation - it avoided a massive traffic jam if the situation went south (and considering the record in Japan for hiding information, who could know?), or if there were more severe earthquakes. I still think they had a very different obligation, and that some people in Japan are going to be impacted because they weren't evacuated a bit further out. Better to be safe than sorry when faced with such an unimaginable situation.
"For example, building redundancies requires having procedures, panels and people to switch over to backup equipment, while accurately monitoring temperature and low rates are categorically mandated."
I meant 'nothing to be controlled' in the sense that the main switching control room was flooded, the flood water contaminated, the tunnels with electrical systems flooded with dirty tsunami water, the pipes & wiring demolished by explosions, etc. The system for pumping seawater basically goes around the compromised systems - that is set up when the reactor scrams so water can be pumped in with emergency equipment. I guess you'd call that one of the 'redundancies' - but being unable to read status or open/close vents, valves, etc is a serious impediment. Even with fuel, the back-up generators couldn't be hooked up to the emergency pumps without access to the control room - that's why they brought in pumps and generators and it took so long to get water going again (to the best of my knowledge, of course).
One of the current problems is measuring status of the reactors and spent fuel pools - they were using ir readings for temperature on #1-4, but apparently are able to measure atmospheric pressure in the chambers now - I've only been following that about a week or so, since they established back-up power. Everything else that is 'stable' is due to the pumping system - the panels were all dead last week - and nobody knew how much water was anywhere. Don't know how much they know now, but work was hampered by radiation.
We were just tossing ideas back and forth - about all you can do in a situation like this, and hope somebody can either substantiate or refute your theories. If you look at the available information, and whatever videos are available, either from helicopter or snorkel-camera, you can see many of the damage pipes. Of course, the reactor control room instruments are in the reactor buildings, where we can't see, but the panels were all dead in the last photos released. With water in the basement of those, who knows what is compromised. This whole mess went FUBAR because the redundancies were insufficient to the encounter. (I wasn't being 'insistent' - just theorizing - sorry if I stepped on your toes.)
NEWS FLASH!!!
The Corporate Oligarchy has recognized the damage being done to our biosphere and has pledged to empty their trillion$ stash to find a way to repair Japan and to develop low cost wind and solar power for the people. They have pledged to create five hundred million jobs in the new sector. The social contract will be renewed, with adequate pensions, increased Social Security, medical care for all, and have vowed to return the various regulatory agencies to their original responsibilities of protecting the people and the environment.
Wow! That's neat!
What day is this again?
Don't worry - Be happy!
"But Laurence Williams, Professor of Nuclear Safety at England's University of Central Lancashire and the former head nuclear regulator for the UK, is relatively comfortable with the situation."
Maybe he's celebrating April Fool's Day....or playing the fool...or fooling us..Take your pick.
To all my conservative friends whose support Big Nuke enjoyed through the years, will you ever realize that your greed and willful ignorance is killing us all?
Hey, I'm a conservative, and I've been scared of those things all of my life. I'm conservative enough to question all the energy we waste just because corporate shills tell us that's the only way we can be happy - or 'successful' - whatever that means. I NEVER support corporate (fascist) government - nor do any of my conservative friends - and they don't trust nuclear energy either. (Not because of the physics involved, but of the people and priorities and flaws in human nature.)
I do think nuclear energy could be safe - if humans were not involved. The sun seems safe enough, most of the time... this little 'incident' is definitely making me biased.
I think he meant "conservative", as in neoconservative, as in imperialist-corporatists or theocratic oppressive religionists. ;)
It is amazing to meet an ACTUAL conservative, I thought Ron Paul was the last one left in this country.
I'd allow nukes assembled and activated on the moon (or further) for purposes of powering space exploration, but nothing else.
And somehow I don't see that sci-fi scenario happening anytime soon.
-matti.
Paul Craig Roberts is still around - and fuming, as usual. Haven't kept in touch with the rest of the official group lately - no hope. Most 'traditional' conservatives are quiet these days because there really is nothing we can do about the ugly situation in DC. Just try to sit it out until we can pitch in and rebuild. I've always been considered an embarrassment because I speak out - I say the things in public that the rest only say at home.
Since you 'label' yourself a conservative, perhaps you'd have more of an effect on what the so-called neocons are doing. If you don't distinguish yourselves, people will either equate you with the tea party, or what the republican platform stands for. The 'conservatives' I meet here in NC come off as being mean and selfish. I tend to be wary of those who label themselves anything. As a true conservative, if you really DO differ from those who claim the same name, now is the time to speak out and stand apart--reclaim your original platform. And I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about PCR, a once prominent conservative. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with him?
If you aren't wealthy it doesn't matter if you're conservative or liberal - you're getting screwed by the ultra-rich.
People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage.
John Kenneth Galbraith
I think you may be a "conservationist" the polar opposite of "conservative"
Not in my book.
"the Fukushima plant must be scrapped"
I think Mother Nature has already achieved that part; the problem now is disposal.
Nuclear power is safe, renewable energy. Say what!!?
Where are the resident nuclear industry apologists today?
A nuclear expert saying this thing might drag on for a century is kind of a bleak assessment, so maybe they are staying away from this one.
Mairead, Mark Abram, and SaboCat have probably all booked flights to Tokyo to prove that there really is nothing to worry about.
You missed drolltroll. He's here!
Self censored a racially insensitive wisecrack.
Bill