This has now become another "truther distraction".

OK...you accused me of wanting to believe in the "official explanation", but most thinking people think that the official answer leaves out how Bush cut the investigation of all potential hijackers before 9/11.

You guys don't have the guts to point that out with your real names like others who go after the real secrets instead of this crazy Truther crap that gets the funding question off the table by decaring insanely that the whole operation was drones and remote controlled planes, while this crazy false distraction if true, means that you are the Bush Gang protectors now with no no need to hold anyone responsible for funding hijackers that don't exist or are "still alive".

This is what I get as the real answer behind Truther Propaghanda.

I am looking for real truth and that is why I have no time for these proven distractions that you try to sell as "Science".

So why don't you call for an international investigation of 9/11 and the war crimes from it.
Iran is doing that.... join Iran if you have the guts.

I support Iran's call for a real investigation.

The Truthers now after being debunked on every aspect of the Demolition of 3 buildings theory are pushing the "thermite in the dust".

http://www.debunking911.com/

Thermite does not explode it fizzes and it is made of aluminum and a oxide usually Iron.

Now there was a lot of aluminum and steel in the construction of those buildings and in the planes that hit the towers.

So now truthers show a photo of a small red piece of something without any aluminum in it or around it and you say viola this is the unexploded explosive that brought down the 3 buildings.... if you believe this, GREAT!

The problem your group has is the rest of the world thinks you don't have a real clue because you can get away with saying anything as 'Proof" or "Scientific"

Frankly I don't believe there is any government explanation as to why they could not prevent it without the help of Bush protecting his CIA bankster/saudi connections... the real deal behind the war and you guys can't even blow up a tin can with your "thermite/thermate".... Sorry, but I don't buy any of it and this might be the real reason your "gate keepers" or media targets, including wikileaks are not going to push your stories.

Justice Arcs

I have been painfully reading through this thread, and your eminently reasonable logical conclusions on what is going on in the Wiki-Leaks case, particularly the completely unnecessary Iran plug without the context of what was happening in 2004-2006, and on the miraculous PHYSICS in the official 9/11 "report"(fairy tale),and the grief you are getting for stating your positions with clearly understandable logical steps. Unfortunately, and I say this with much experience not only on CD but on other "liberal" American blogs, the average American liberal is a scientific Luddite and also unconsciously racist in that he/she is Eurocentric and has no clue about Asian history, especially about the Middle-East, zero knowledge about the geography and absolutely no respect or appreciation of their cultures and ANCIENT civilizations except tidbits picked up here and there to appear politically correct in pluralistic company. So when you made a reference to the CIA's anti- Mossadeg Counter Revolution and installing the Shah in 1952 in an earlier post, which would be instantaneously obvious to anybody paying attention to your qualifying clause of "50 years", somebody jumped in arms flailing ready to slap you silly because that person thought (on what basis I am not going to guess)that you were blaming Murkans for Khomeini's revolution! Jeez.

Now if you notice on the French workers strikes article and thread yesterday, a lot of the literati on CD jumped in reeling off French literary names because the average American liberal, unlike his European (French especially), is Eurocentric. In Contrast, the Sorbonne is one of the leaders on Iranian civilization and Iranians originally spoke French as their preferred European language (e.g Mossadeg himself). Khomeini stayed in Paris for years. But again even here, the Ludditeness of the posters showed up because nobody mentioned the name of some of the greatest names in the sciences and mathematics in post Enlightenment France who were responsible for removing religious funadmentalism in France pre and post Revolution. Laplace who for all practical purposes removed the agency of the divine from classical mechanics, Lagrange without whom a large part of Physics and Economics would be dead, Poisson who developed probability theory with Laplace, Cauchy, Pasteur, Marie-Curie and others.

Remember what Chomsky said:
"America is the most brainwashed country in the world."

Many of the literary elites on CD believe it's not them who are included in the brainwashing, it's those uncouth Tea Partiers. But the anti-truther movement was begun by the energetic gate-keeping activities of Chomsky and Fisk. Many American liberals,true to their herding and stereotyping instincts, joined that herd of rabble supporting the junk physics of the Official 9/11. Obviously they argued that if Chomsky, who is such a smart guy, a polymath ranging across fields of highly technical science and mathematics/logic/linguistics to political incisiveness claims that the JUNK facts in the 9/11 OFFICIAL story are correct then all the 9/11 skeptics must be wrong. The "wrong" side includes higly trained scientists and police/pilot/military observers whose specialty is flying/CONSTRUCTION/missiles and of the physics of beams, heat etc. So the liberal, Luddite, but literary herd joined with Fisk/Chomsky as pied pipers. Thus whenever 9/11 comes up, even on the solid physics for which no known academy of sciences in the world has endorsed the official story, these herd liberals SHOUT you down as a "crazy" conspiracy theorist.

Therefore, I suspect, a lot of the negative comments you are receiving are from deeply embedded shills, or science know-nothings, or Asian history know nothings or all combined in a convex combination. It is futile for you to engage in rational argument with people whose knowledge base is so poor, whose reasoning skills leave much to be desired, and whose behaviour is that of a typical American brainwashed cow from a herd.

Take my advice and either be a yahoo screaming for war with Ahmedinejad, which will please the deeply embedded shills for you know who, or don't even mention that Iran has been dragged in by Assange into what should be a focus on Iraq. May be by incompetence, but both our antenna picked up some more ulterior motive. The 2004-2006 context was that the American military was repeatedly threatening attacks on Iran, and had begun to engage Sunni/Alquaida linked extermination squads for mayhem an slaughter in Shia neibourhoods at the behest of Saudi Arabia. During this time, Sistani quietly asked the Iranians that they teach the Americans a painful lesson that the Shia Militias (except for the rag tag Sadr bands) had been largely disciplined, cooperative with American and Iraqi central authority, and not brutal like Sunni bombers on Shia mosques largely because of his order to them. That were even 20% of the really well trained Shia militias released to take on the yankees, then with the shoulder fired anti-tank and anti-helicopter and anti-close air support missiles supplied by the Iranian military, they could make short work of the Murkan/Brit forces. They showed that by downing 11 to 15 Apache helicopters and a British transport plane in one week, not to mention several armoured vehicles, much like the Hezbollah did in 2006.

Assange does not provide this context. So he is implicitly making the argument for the warmongers that Iran is dangerous to Iraqi security.

I don't think you or I are saying Assange is a plant. But it looks awfully suspicious that 400,000 documents have no serious revelations of gross massacres such as Falluja etc. They seem sanitized to me, may be not on purpose by Assange himself, but by the redactionists at the Pentagon.

At any rate, good luck to you Justice Arcs. You have lots of patience. I have little patience with North Murkan liberals. They are too primitive in their thinking abilities and knowledge.

I wish you would note what you consider "not adding up". To my knowledge the disclosures Wikileaks passed on from that informant ( currently residing in a military prison awaiting trial by the by) are not only an exposure of the dreadful treatment we and our allies are meting out, but also an exposure of the manipulation of the media and the opinions of the American people by censuring said disclosures to this point.

How, I wonder, does the govt. benefit, as you imply, from Assange's work?

Oh, well that settles it then?????

As a Canadian I am on the outside looking in. There is a distinct phenomena in Canada wherein a good many people are spellbound by Democratic Presidents and any democratic President simply because they are under the PERCEPTION that Democrats believe in the "Social Good and wlefare of all" as a matter of principle.

They think themsleves as progressives and go Ga Ga over a Clinton or a Barack OBama while chuckling to themselves that any person can voote in a Reagan or a Bush.

In the leadup to that election I had a number of American friends, disgusted with Bush asking me what I thought of the Various Presidential Candidates and in Particular Barack Obama.

I suggested he was a Phony and a worse one then Clinton had been and advised they vote Green or some other party. Virtually all of them ignored that advice. I was not very convincing in my arguements apparently.

In grade 7 8 and 9 we had a "Hippie" teacher. THat is what the old guard labled him. He suggested a number of things to us which were not part of the accepted curriculum such as our duty as citizens to QUESTION everything. It did not mean everything we hear MUST be false but we should simply not accept what the Media or those in Authority tell us. I try to never forget that lesson.