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Talk of Afghan Peace Talks Legit or 'Information Operation'?
US Officials, Experts: No High-Level Afghan Peace Talks Under Way
WASHINGTON — Despite news reports of high-level talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government, no significant peace negotiations are under way in Afghanistan, U.S. officials and Afghanistan experts said Thursday.
U.S. Marines from 1st Battalion 8th Marines head out on patrol from an outpost at Kunjak in southern Afghanistan's Helmand province, October 21, 2010. Questions surround the veracity of recent claims about high-level talks between warring parties. "That (psychological warfare) is exactly what it is," said a former senior U.S. official in touch with the White House.(Credit: Reuters/Finbarr O'Reilly)
These same experts said the reports, which
appeared in a number of U.S. media outlets, could be part of a U.S.
"information strategy" to divide and weaken the Taliban leadership.
"This is a psychological operation, plain and simple," said a U.S. official with firsthand knowledge of Afghan President Hamid Karzai's outreach effort.
"Exaggerating the significance of it (the contacts) is an effort to sow distrust within the insurgency, to make insurgents suspicious with each other and to send them on witch hunts looking for traitors who want to negotiate with the enemy," said the U.S. official. He requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
Ali Jalali, a scholar at the National Defense University and a former Afghan interior minister who maintains close contacts with the Afghan government, said he knew of no significant peace negotiations.
"There is a desire (by the Afghan government and its foreign backers) for talks with the Taliban and others, but the situation is not ready for these talks yet," he told McClatchy. "There is a lot of smoke, but no fire."
News accounts have said the talks with the Afghan government were held in Kabul and that the U.S.-led International Security Assistance Force, facilitated travel for the Taliban from their sanctuaries in Pakistan.
The reports said the talks had deliberately excluded Mullah Mohammad Omar, the head of the Quetta Shura, the leadership council that controls Taliban forces in southern and eastern Afghanistan from the western Pakistani city of Quetta, and circumvented the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency.
U.S. intelligence thinks that the ISI supports the Taliban and the allied Haqqani network, which Islamabad denies.
A Department of Defense spokeswoman said she could not comment on the allegation of an "information operation." She also would not say whether there had been high-level peace talks, stating: "That's really something for the Afghan government to discuss."
The Quetta Shura denied Thursday that senior council members had taken part in peace talks.
"The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan refutes outright these false claims, neither has it sent any delegations for talks and neither does it intend to negotiate at a time when the country is under occupation," said a statement posted on the council's English-language website.
U.S. officials said there are talks in which mid- and low-level insurgent commanders and their fighters have switched sides to join local militias created under a U.S.-backed reintegration initiative.
There also have been meetings, some facilitated by coalition forces and other countries, between Afghan officials and insurgent leaders to explore ideas on the form and substance of possible negotiations, they said.
"I have had personal meetings with some Taliban leaders. Some of my colleagues have had meetings with the Taliban both in Afghanistan and outside Afghanistan," Karzai said in an Oct. 15 interview with al Jazeera English television news.
"But those contacts have been more countrymen to countrymen. That type of talks. Unofficial contacts that sometimes they initiated, that sometimes we initiated," he said.
U.S. intelligence officials have "some question" about whether the insurgent leaders participating in these contacts have any authority to engage in peace talks, said a second knowledgeable U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The contacts were "not Reykjavik (the site of U.S.-Soviet nuclear arms negotiations), the U.N. Security Council or the Paris peace talks (that ended the Vietnam War)," the official said.
U.S. officials and Afghanistan experts said insurgent leaders have no incentive at the moment to engage in serious talks. They pointed out that insurgents still hold sway over large swaths of Afghanistan despite sustaining significant losses in Army Gen. David Petraeus' intensified counterinsurgency drive and stepped-up night raids by U.S. Special Operations Forces.
"We have the impression that all of the commanders that have been taken out have been replaced quite quickly," said Thomas Ruttig of the Afghan Analysts Network, a respected independent policy institute. On a scale of one to 100, Ruttig put progress on peace talks "at somewhere between one and two."
"That (psychological warfare) is exactly what it is," said a former senior U.S. official in touch with the White House. "Petraeus has been upping the attack on the Taliban, and trying to intimidate, and at the same time, reaching out : 'let's talk.'" The former senior official requested anonymity to avoid jeopardizing ties with the Obama administration.
While publicity about peace talks is partly psychological maneuvering, the former senior official said that Petraeus' strategy of escalating attacks while expressing a desire for diplomacy "seems to me certainly worth trying." He added: "I don't know if it'll work."
Insurgents think that President Barack Obama's announcement last December that the 110,000 U.S. troops will begin withdrawing in July 2011 means that the United States is leaving Afghanistan and all they have to do is wait, according to experts.
Furthermore, they said, the Pakistani military remains unwilling to close down the Haqqani network or the Quetta Shura, seeing them as instruments for securing a government in Kabul that will forge closer ties with Islamabad than with Pakistan's its arch-rival, India.
"High-level (peace) talks cannot meaningfully occur without the tacit or explicit acceptance of the ISI," said ret. Army Col. Thomas Lynch, a research fellow at the National Defense University.
(John Walcott contributed)
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Show All"This is a psychological operation, plain and simple,"
Psychological operations are usually for US public consumption only. There is an election coming. Taliban leaders are not reading the NYT, WP or watching CNN or FOX.
Petraeus has used illegal psy-ops and propaganda directed at the U.S. public during the Iraq 'war' debacle...he's at it again.
This lie about meaningful negociations is also for domestic consumption.
When things are going badly, media hype is created to give the impression that progress is being made.
Vietnam all over again.
Any assesment of the Afghan war by the military, the administration or members of congress, is, to the truth, what a shit sandwich is to prime rib. Pay attention to what they do, not what they say.
"U.S. intelligence thinks that the ISI supports the Taliban "
shit, they created the Taliban together with the Saudis.
Thank sweet Jesus! Imagine imperialistic invasion without qualified, competent resistance! We don't really know what the Taliban is about. But we know what invasion is about.
Only an idiot would believe what mainstream media says about the Taliban.
No amount of lip-flopping will change the fact that the Graveyard of Empires will defeat the so-called "great satan".
typo: negotiations
But at the least, this article mentions the fact that Pakistan does not want a strong Indian presence to the west in Afghanistan.
They already have India as an enemy to the east.
The main objective of the TAP (trans Afghanistan pipeline) is to supply the one billion people in India with energy from Central Asia. India is a growing energy market and should continue to expand into the 21st century. If the plan were to work, it would mean big profits for American Big Oil for a long time to come. And the MIC would profit from a permanent occupation in Afghanistan to protect the pipelines. However, the Russians tried to export Afghan natural gas and their pipeline could not be effectively protected from sabotage.
Ironically India has a growing economy while the American economy is in decline due in part to deficit war spending that will continue to drain the American economy for decades to come.
Another Vietnam comparison is that we went off the gold standard because we could not pay France back for the loans they gave us to fund American war crimes in Vietnam.So rather than give France the gold they were demanding, we issued fiat currency "funny money".
And now foreign bond buyer are becoming increasingly shy about purchasing American debt.
The perpetual corporate imperial "war on terror" will only produce endless debt and hasten the demise of the American economy.
What a price to pay for a Big Oil MIC corporate empire !
"we could not pay France back for the loans they gave us to fund American war crimes in Vietnam"
this is an interesing assertion - can you supply a link to back it up?
my understanding has always been that it was the US which financed France's war efforts in Vietnam.
Under Bretton Woods Foreign Governments that held US DOllars could demand this be repaid in Gold.
Due to the Vietnam War the US kept printing up dollars in order to finance it. They were able to print these Dollars because Governments like France were willing to hold them.
France then decided they had too many Dollars and that they were propping up the Value of the same. They demanded as were their rights to be repaid in Gold in exchange for those dollars.
Nixon then reneged on Bretton Woods removing the US dollar from the Gold Standard. This created Inflation making the now PAPER dollars held by France worth much less.
The US simply did not have enough gold to repay all those foreign Governments.
thanks for the lesson
Peace talks? Don't make me laugh! What a joke!
Like Nixon's "secret plan," that he announced to get himself re-elected in 1972. Then, as thousands more died, the "peace talks" droned on in Paris for another three or four years, until Nixon got tossed out on his ass.
The U.S. gets the hell out of the Middle East and there won't be a need for peace talks.
Sure, we all know it will never happen. Peace talks? Is that like the Israeli/Palestine "peace process" that has been going on for 30 years?
The object is to get as much taxpayer money to the corporate welfare state as fast as possible, and keep it flowing forever. People work, give around 45% of their money to governments (the people, not corporations), the government then cuts the checks: 57% for military spending, and some of the rest in crumbs to the citizen taxpayers.
That's how it works, boys & girls.
nixon's secret plan was the con that got him elected in '68.
three days before the '72 election he signs the same "peace" treaty he could've four years earlier.
thought I: "no one's gonna fall for this!"
silly me - they all did.
Crap. All crap. Misinformation, disinformation & propaganda. When this campaign first got started, the Taliban put out a communique denouncing the lies. This is nothing more than another psych ops from the CIA to be interpreted as even the Empire knows it's fatally wounded and is getting ready to come home to die, tail between its legs. Although they would never admit that, of course, hence the purpose behind this barrage of lies and brainwashing.