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Chinese Dissident Wins Nobel Peace Prize; China Outraged
Imprisoned Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo won the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize today for "his long and non-violent struggle for fundamental human rights" - a prize likely to enrage the Chinese government, which had warned the Nobel committee not to honor him.
Liu Xiaobo Thorbjoern Jagland, the Norwegian Nobel Committee chairman, said Liu Xiaobo was a symbol for the fight for human rights in China and the government should expect that its policies face scrutiny."China has become a big power in economic terms as well as political terms, and it is normal that big powers should be under criticism," Jagland said.
Unlike some in China's highly fractured and persecuted dissident community, the 54-year-old Liu has been an ardent advocate for peaceful, gradual political change, rather than a violent confrontation with the government.
In China, broadcasts of CNN, which is available in tourist hotels, upmarket foreign hotels and places where foreigners gather, went black during the Nobel announcement and when reports about the award later aired.
China's Foreign Ministry did not immediately comment, but a spokeswoman said recently that choosing Liu would go against the prize's aims.
"The person you just mentioned was sentenced to jail by Chinese judicial authorities for violating Chinese law. I think his acts are completely contrary to the aspirations of the Nobel Peace Prize," said spokeswoman Jiang Yu.
It was the first Nobel for the Chinese dissident community since it resurfaced after the country's communist leadership launched economic, but not political reforms three decades ago. The win could jolt a current debate among the leadership and the elite over whether China should begin democratic reforms and if so how quickly.
The Nobel citation said China's new status a big economic and political power must entail increased responsibility.
"China is in breach of several international agreements to which it is a signatory, as well as of its own provisions concerning political rights," it said, citing an article in China's constitution about freedom of speech and assembly.
"In practice, these freedoms have proved to be distinctly curtailed for China's citizens," the citation said.
The document Liu co-authored, Charter 08, called for greater freedoms and an end to the Communist Party's political dominance. It was an intentional echo of Charter 77, the famous call for human rights in then-Czechoslovakia that led to the 1989 Velvet Revolution that swept away communist rule.
"The democratization of Chinese politics can be put off no longer," Charter 08 says.
Thousands of Chinese signed Charter 08, and the Communist Party took the document as a direct challenge.
Police arrested Liu hours before Charter 08 was due to be released in December 2008. Given a brief trial last Christmas Day, Liu was convicted of subversion for writing Charter 08 and other political tracts and sentenced to 11 years in prison.
In a year with a record 237 nominations for the peace prize, Liu had been considered a favorite, with open support from winners Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama and others.
When the Tibet-born Dalai Lama won the peace prize in 1989, both the Chinese government and some of the public were angry - the exiled Buddhist leader was endlessly vilified in official propaganda as a traitor for his calls for more autonomy for Tibet.
The son of a soldier, Liu joined China's first wave of university students in the mid-1970s after the chaotic decade of the Cultural Revolution.
Liu's writing first took a political turn in 1988, when he became a visiting scholar in Oslo - his first time outside China.
Liu cut short a visiting scholar stint at Columbia University months later to join the Tiananmen Square protests in Beijing in 1989. He and three other older activists famously persuaded students to peacefully leave the square hours before the deadly June 4 crackdown.
Liu went to prison after the crackdown and was released in early 1991 because he had repented and "performed major meritorious services," state media said at the time, without elaborating.
Still, five years later Liu was sent to a re-education camp for three years for co-writing an open letter that demanded the impeachment of then-President Jiang Zemin.
President Barack Obama won the Nobel peace prize last year.
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Show Allzell is confirmed as a shill many times over.
Wrong. I'm just providing the truth. You've not confirmed anything, and if you had, posting under multiple & false identities doesn't mean 'many times over.
projecting much? comes natural to you, eh?
Well done, denk! Whoever thou art might be....!
"may you live in interesting times"
A fundamental issue is whether the Liu's can keep this notoriously fractious country together and rule it effectively. China's history suggests to me that they will fail which implies to me that they are actually a danger to world peace.
mop n curiousdave
i've a simple rule to access an ngo or media or individual...study its agenda.
the "brutal regimes" that incurs zell's wrath are china, nk, zim n burma, the same "axis of evil" targeted by the likes of hrw, ai, war street journal, nyt, economist, feer, guardian etc, aka uncle sham's official enemy list, in which some of the most glaring hr abusers on us payroll are missing
he scoff at the suggestion of hypocrisy
zell
*Your attempts to obfuscate the issue, by implying some
hypocrisy & racism when there is none, tip your hand easily. It's an old Chinese operative tactic, and you're probably on their payroll, my guess is maybe Xinhua*
but listen to the esteemed npp committee
+*China's "new status" as the world's second-largest economy
"must entail increased responsibility," the committee said. +[sic]
so china the "2 largest economy" [sic] should be hold
accountable to the "international communities" [sic] for jailing an foreign sponsored "dissident", while the world's largest economy cum "oldest democrazy" is free to invade any country under the pretext of "humanitarian intervention" or "wot", designate any country as harbouring "terrarists", invoke EXTRA TERRITORY RIGHTS and order EXTRA JUDICIAL EXECUTIONS on its citizens as well as amerikkan citizens ?
wtf is going on here ?
this is more than hypocrisy, this is proof that the npp is just another tool in the anglophones' geopolitical "great game". just like the imf, hwr, world bank, etc [ref wechuge October 8th, 2010 12:59 pm] and god forbid....mr zell here.
there're many zell like "progressives" lurking in antiwar sites these days, alerting readers to the up and coming evil empire, china.
i bet uncle sham would appreciate "progressives" like this, come on boys n girls, go play some where else
http://tinyurl.com/2amveag
papa has got some serious work to do, hehehe
oh zell has just got in a new post in which he insinuate curiousdave n i are the same person !
what'd he thinks of next
but zell has got to wait awhile, more than awhile in fact,
i've got some serious work to do dhehehehe
is china perfect? absolutely NOT. so move on to more productive points now.
Your panicked screeching about the Nobel Prize award, and your broken-record repetitions of US abuses, cannot cover up the truth about your country.
No one here is arguing with you about either of the above issues. It's an old Chinese propaganda tactic to froth about issues about which everyone is in total agreement, to distract from its abuses. In this case it also serves to cheaply appeal to Xenohphobia, much the same way Israel accuses its critics of being antisemitic.
However much bile you keep drumming up for news organizations or nongovernment groups, or for the US, or for the West, you're not even attempting to deny China's abuses _ merely to distract from them _ because you know they are true.
My character and the abuses of the US, the West or the Media are irrelevant to the fact that China _
_ Imprisons critics and puts their spouses in insane asylums
_ Facilitates the destruction of minority ethnic cultures
_ Invaded and occupied the sovereign Nation of Tibet
_ Prevents Taiwan's memberships in international groups
_ Routinely rams foreign ships in international open waterways
_ Sets up foreign-backed sweatshops that exploit its own people
_ Does business with dictatorial, dangerous regimes worldwide
_ Confiscates it's people's property for use by corrupt officials.
No matter how much you evade the issue, people like me will always be here to hold up the truth. You can't cover it up.
you rest the other guys case.
to think you get paid for such shoddy shilling job.
You still cannot deny the truth about your country.
You're forced to rely on personal attack and falsehood.
Just like your government.
You can't cover truth.
indeed. no one can cover the truth. fully agreed on that.
we can all agree that China is not PERFECT.
especially in its "human rights records" defined and measured and selectively advertised by the shills of its economic and political arch-enemies.
can we move on now? Zell? DCsomebody or other? LOL.
Hate can't shout down the truth, even in the backwaters of a small website. I'm not a 'shill' for anyone, and I'm certainly not an 'enemy' of the Chinese people _ who include many of my friends, and even family members. That's why I care about them. I'm humbly attempting to be a voice for at least some of those many decent, smart, caring, witty & open hearted individuals in China who've been hammered into silence by authority, ideology, nationalism and corruption.
ah, your friends and relatives are Xiaobo kind of "elite / technocrat" classists who would like to usher in the US-style "democracy" and "freedom" into china...
well that was quite obvious all along.
No, they're just people. No one I know there wants a US Capitalist system, they just want to live in peace. You can't and don't know anything about them, and any further comment you make on that is an uninformed lie, if you're claiming to know anything about me.
You can attack me as long as you like, but this isn't about me _ your distractions are just a tactic. No matter how much you attack me, or US, or Nobel, you simply can't cover the truth.
China _
_ Arrests folks for expressing opinions
_ Represses its ethnic minorities
_ Attacked & occupied Tibet
_ Has thousands of missiles pointed at Taiwan
_ Bars Taiwan's people from access to international organizations
_ Helps foreigners set up sweatshops to exploit its labor
_ Rams commercial vessels in International Waters
_ Props up Burma, N Korea, Iran, Zimbabwe
_ Drove tanks over University kids & shot them in the back as they ran away
No amount of attack on my position or the errors of the US, Nobel or West will ever, ever cover those facts.
the criminals are holding court
http://tinyurl.com/2bdxwon
No matter who levels the criticism, it is still accurate _ the criminality of the accuser doesn't negate the crime of the guilty.
1 prosecuting a foriegn agent is a crime ?
thats news to me , in some countries, they might put liu against a firing squad !
2 no country should presume the role of judge, prosecutor and executioner all in one.
when that country happens to be the "most destructive force" [as per zell] in the world, thats a recipe for disasters.
witness kosovo, afghan, iraq, pakistan, yemen and probably iran.
The crimes of the US do not negate the crimes of China.
You continue cycling back to list your allegations against the US, because you have no defense for your own govt. No one is attempting to absolve the US. There was no mention of a 'foreign agent.' You can shut Liu Xiabo up, & usually your govt can shut up a billion of your own people. But you can't shut me up.
*There was no mention of a 'foreign agent.' You can shut Liu Xiabo up, & usually your govt can shut up a billion of your own people*
the facts speak for itself
liu was involved in tam
tam is a ned aka cia engineered rebellion
http://tinyurl.com/q2ph5y
in case u dont know what is ned
http://tinyurl.com/mnzhpy
liu continued to receive funding from ned to do its bidding
http://tinyurl.com/2g66dge
ned funding lxb
*The crimes of the US do not negate the crimes of China+
who's the broken record here ?
how many times have u repeated this
instead of answering my question ?
u keep babbling about china's crimes
thats just ur OPINION kid
has china been judged in a world court and convicted ?
no.
so far, the only counry ever convicted by the world court is amerikka
for state terrorism against nicaragua
dont give me your opinion here,
i ma only interested in facts.
*your govt can shut up a billion of your own people**
first u insinuate that i am curioussteve
"hiding behind ur ethnicity" [sic] with
"cultural revolution training"
then u presume i am a ccp shill
u ought to seek help for ur paranoia u know
signing off
If China was tried & convicted in any 'world court' it wouldn't accept the verdict, but would attempt to pass it off as 'Western' hegemony, and moan about its feelings being hurt.
Attempting to pass critics off as mentally ill is an old Chinese Communist tactic, which will not work here.
zell
*If China was tried & convicted in any 'world court' it wouldn't accept the verdict, but would attempt to pass it off as 'Western' hegemony, and moan about its feelings being hurt.*
considering that the un, imf, wto, hrw, npp and assorted international courts are all in the service of amerikka these days, that assessment wouldnt be too far off reality , wouldnt u think so ?
http://tinyurl.com/or6hvf
fact is, reality is even worse.
they dont even need any ikc [k for kangaroo ;-)] these days, its trial by the media now .
in liu's case for example, all the anglophones media automatically spin it as another suppression of free speech, the rest of the world dutifylly follow suit. the consensus is passed...china has committed another crime.
u know what ned chief once boasted openly ?
+we can play the world media like a giant wurlitzer+
chalk it up for another wurlitzer hit , zell
enough of ur speculation about china, that scenario u painted applied to uncle sham in reality.
when amerikka was convicted, it didnt moaned about its hurt, true to form as the biggest bully in the world, it gave the world court the finger buahahaha
http://tinyurl.com/ybw3k53
*Attempting to pass critics off as mentally ill is an old Chinese Communist tactic, which will not work here.*
unlike u who like to use loaded words like "panicky screech", xenophobic" etc gratuitously,
i just listed some evidence that u display the syptom of paranoia,
i don know if it amounts to "madness"
but its wise to deal with it.
Keep going. As long as I keep you occupied here, you can't spread your crap where someone's actually reading it.
Every word of nonsense you type here in your puny rage will be one less word someone reads where it might actually matter.
China is guilty of horrible atrocities, it is a threat to its own people and the world. The fact that the US does this too is irrelevant to the truth, which I have on my side.
There will always be a voice like mine to cover up your pitiful attempts at actual fascism. There are more of us.
zell
*Keep going. As long as I keep you occupied here, you can't spread your crap where someone's actually reading it*
care 2 join me at wapo, atlernet, dissident voice, information clearing house, countercurrents etc ?
dont hide behind a new profile though ;-)
*China is guilty of horrible atrocities, it is a threat to its own people and the world. The fact that the US does this too is irrelevant to the truth*
ah, that "2 wrongs doest make a right" cant again, talk about broken record ;-)
u've committed a logical fallacy kid
pointing out the hypocrisy and grave danger of amerikka abrogating itself the role of prodecutor, judge n executioner doesnt amounts to exonerating china's percerceived crime.
elementary , watson ;-)
besides...
i've shown enough evidence that liu's case has a lot more than meets the eye, it isnt a simple case of state persecution of a whisteblower as spun by the msm.
u just wouldnt let facts get in the way, do u ?
*Every word of nonsense you type here in your puny rage *
puny rage ?
i'll let the readers judge who's the one frothing at the mouth here lol
u're ranting, not debating kid
talking about nonsense......
*China rams peaceful commercial vessels with military craft in international waters, often violating international arrangements aimed at maintaining peace by constructing military facilities in areas whose jurisdiction is vague*
the diaoyu ?
not even faux news dare to pull a stunt like this
by all accounts , the collision involved a chinese fishing boat n a japanese patrol craft.
and its japan which ignore china's suggestion to shelf the sovereign issue until a reasonable resolution is found, its japan which construct facilities on diaoyu to effect a fait accompli, its japan which assign patrol boats around diaoyu and deny access to chinese fishing boat.
u're lying thru your teeth zell
That's a little over 300 words you've had to waste your time on _ keep going. No one in the world believes that Liu Xiaobo is remotely 'criminal,' no matter how much effort you or your masters expend. Just keep using your energy & resources to check this small article in this remote corner of a small site. I'm not going to be bothered with the other ones you listed, but I have friends who do that already. There are more of us. Your lies will wither in the sunlight of truth. Keep wasting your time. Every second you use is a victory for good.
lol
i just expose another of ur lie on the diaoyu spat
i'd have thought u'd feel a bit embarrased
zell
* [china] Rams commercial vessels in International Waters
i just prove that u're a bald faced liar on the diaoyu affair
*Routinely rams foreign ships in international open waterways*
source please ?
i back up all my claims with evidence
can u do the same , just for once ?
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