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Lou Dobbs, American Hypocrite
Anti-immigration crusader Lou Dobbs has been relying on undocumented, illegal workers in his stables and homes
Research support for this article was provided by the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute.
Lou Dobbs, American Hypocrite In Lou Dobbs's heyday at CNN, when he commanded more than 800,000
viewers and a reported $6 million a year for "his fearless reporting and
commentary," in the words of former CNN president Jonathan Klein, the
host became notorious for his angry rants against "illegal aliens." But
Dobbs reserved a special venom for the employers who hire them, railing
against "the employer who is so shamelessly exploiting the illegal alien
and so shamelessly flouting US law" and even proposing, on one April
2006 show, that "illegal employers who hire illegal aliens" should face
felony charges.
Since he left CNN last November, after Latino groups mounted a protest campaign against his inflammatory rhetoric, Dobbs has continued to advocate an enforcement-first approach to immigration, emphasizing, as he did in a March 2010 interview on Univision, that "the illegal employer is the central issue in this entire mess!"
His scheduled October 9 address at the Virginia Tea Party Convention will mark his second major Tea Party address of the year, reviving questions about whether the former CNN host is gearing up for an electoral campaign. He recently told Fox's Sean Hannity that he has not ruled out a possible Senate or even presidential run in 2012.
But with his relentless diatribes against "illegals" and their employers, Dobbs is casting stones from a house-make that an estate-of glass. Based on a yearlong investigation, including interviews with five immigrants who worked without papers on his properties, The Nation and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute have found that Dobbs has relied for years on undocumented labor for the upkeep of his multimillion-dollar estates and the horses he keeps for his 22-year-old daughter, Hillary, a champion show jumper.
Dobbs lives in a sprawling white mansion on his 300-acre estate in Sussex, New Jersey, where he and his family run a horse farm. In 2005 he acquired another house-a spacious multimillion-dollar winter holiday home in Eagle Isle, the most exclusive enclave of the Ibis Golf and Country Club, a gated community in West Palm Beach, Florida. It offers his daughter a place to stay during her competitions at the Wellington Winter Equestrian Festival, one of the most important events in the horse show world.
Dobbs's daughter keeps five European Warmbloods, a breed that often fetches close to $1 million apiece. In the official results of her competitions, her horses' owner is always listed as The Dobbs Group-a corporate entity for which few details are available on the public record. However, incorporation documents and other state records reveal it to be a New Jersey company of which Lou Dobbs is president. This same company also owns the copyright on Dobbs's books.
The upkeep of Dobbs's multiple properties creates no small demand for labor in two sectors where undocumented immigrants are known to be particularly prevalent. Jay Hickey, president of the American Horse Council, the horse industry's main lobby group, suggested in 2009 that more than half of the workers in his industry are likely undocumented. Likewise, studies have found that undocumented workers make up an estimated 28 percent of workers in landscaping. In both of these sectors, the use of contractors is commonplace, so it is not surprising that Dobbs has relied on third parties to supply the labor he needs. Vicky Moon, author of A Sunday Horse: Inside the Grand Prix Show-Jumping Circuit, explained that contracting out the care of one's horses "alleviates the time involved in coordinating the horses' care, transport, and management but it also removes the responsibility of hiring competent grooms, providing housing and meals, possibly paying Social Security taxes, health insurance and, most important, making extra sure they are legal."
Dobbs has heaped scorn on the government for using contractors that hire undocumented immigrants. On CNN in 2007, he called private firms that oppose verification requirements for their contractors' employees "ridiculous." Yet interviews with several such employees show that Dobbs has been far from vigilant about the status of workers laboring on his own properties.
"I Looked After Dobbs's Horses While I Was Illegal"
This year, Hillary Dobbs became the youngest-ever horse show rider to win $1 million in prize money. While all horses require extensive maintenance, the labor entailed in the upkeep of competition horses like the ones ridden by "Dobbs's million dollar baby" (as the New York Post dubbed Hillary) is particularly strenuous.
Every November, all five of The Dobbs Group's show-jumping horses must be transported from their summer stables in Vermont to their winter stables in Wellington, Florida. The workers are transported to the tropics too, returning to New England with the horses in April. They ride in trucks each way alongside their expensive equestrian charges, tending to the horses' needs throughout the thirty-two-hour journey. Their return to Vermont marks the start of a new annual circuit of horse shows-an exhausting schedule during the spring, summer and fall months that entails constant travel between their Vermont base and horse shows around the country. At these shows, it is not unusual for the grooms who care for Dobbs's horses to rise in the middle of the night or in the predawn hours to clean, brush and prepare the horses for a training session or early morning competition.
For years, undocumented immigrants from Mexico have been relied upon to meet these labor demands.
A 36-year-old Mexican immigrant I'll call Marco Salinas was working with a group of horses in a stable at the bustling Wellington Winter Equestrian Festival when I approached him for an interview. (Fearing deportation or job loss, Salinas, like the other workers interviewed for this story, asked that neither his real name nor the name of his employer be used.) Several hours later, when he finished his ten-hour workday, Salinas recounted how he had come to the United States five years ago for a job. Seated on an outdoor bench near the stable, the Mexico City native told the story of how he had crossed the Yuma Desert on foot, from the Mexican city of San Luis Río Colorado and into the United States, eluding the border patrol.
Salinas said he braved the journey for one reason-because he had the promise of a job on the other end. An old friend of Salinas's worked as a groom with some of the horses owned by Dobbs, and he had sent word that Salinas could be hired on as a groom at the Vermont stable contracted to care for the Dobbs Group horses.
Salinas got the job, he said, and worked at it for more than two years without documents until he was finally able to obtain a guest-worker visa designed for seasonal foreign workers (the same kind of visa denounced as a form of "indentured servitude" on Dobbs's CNN show).
I asked Salinas, still clad in his work clothes-a polo shirt and jeans-about Dobbs, the owner of the horses he cared for. But the father of three simply flashed a disarming grin, let out an easygoing laugh and politely declined to comment.
In his work as a groom for Dobbs's horses, Salinas said he regularly started at 5 am and did not get off until after 6 in the evening. According to Pedro Gomez, another undocumented worker, who cared for Dobbs Group horses in Vermont and Florida, the workday during horse shows like the three-month-long Wellington Winter Equestrian Festival was typically twelve hours or longer.
I caught up with Gomez, who cared for Dobbs's horses for a year in 2008 and 2009, at a different Florida stable, where he now works. A native of the Oaxaca region of Mexico, Gomez, now 24, came to the United States to work when he was only 18. Seated on a plastic chair in the dim stable, wearing baggy blue jeans and a T-shirt, he told me he desperately wants legal status. "My situation with immigration is bad," he said, "because I [still] don't have papers." For him, documentation would mean "better work."
When Gomez worked for the Vermont-based stable contracted by Lou Dobbs, his wages were $500 per week, and he typically worked sixty-five hours, meaning he was earning only slightly above minimum wage. During shows in which Gomez was caring for the Dobbs Group horses, Dobbs's daughter would sometimes give him a $100 weekly tip, according to Gomez. But he says he was never paid overtime.
While there is some disagreement over whether federal labor laws apply to horse stable workers, according to West Palm Beach labor lawyer Jill Hanson, the working conditions described by these stable workers likely violate both the federal Fair Labor Standards Act-which requires time-and-a-half pay for hours worked beyond a forty-hour workweek-and a Florida law that requires overtime pay for any workday longer than ten hours.
I sat down with Marco Esperanza, 39, another Mexican worker who cared for Dobbs Group horses, after hours in the stable where he was then working in Wellington, Florida. Seated on the concrete barn floor, his back against the wooden siding of a horse stall, he explained that the work requires him to "be available twenty-four hours a day." When a horse is sick, Esperanza said, "it doesn't matter what time it is: in the night or at dawn, you have to check the horse. You always, always have to be at work." When I asked whether he had a green card or guest-worker visa while he worked for the stable hired by Dobbs, he shook his head: "I looked after Dobbs's horses while I was illegal."
At the Vermont stable that cared for the Dobbs Group horses from spring through autumn while Gomez worked there, the workers lived right at the horse barn. This arrangement has benefits, as Gomez points out; for example, the workers don't have to pay rent. However, according to Gomez, their quarters-a two-bedroom apartment on the top floor of the barn-were extremely crowded. When Gomez lived there, nine workers were packed into the small apartment, and he had to share a bedroom with four of them.
When I asked whether the Dobbs family knew that undocumented workers were caring for their horses, Gomez responded by saying that at least in the case of Hillary Dobbs, "I believe she knew." The stable owner knew "that some people didn't have papers," Gomez said, and had even taken precautions to keep the workers away from the immigration agents who often patrol the areas around horse shows. Gomez said it was hard to believe that Dobbs's daughter, who was in close contact with these undocumented workers almost every weekend, could have been unaware of their status.
Hillary Dobbs did not respond to repeated attempts to contact her for comment.
"The Pay Is Bad" for Work in Dobbs's Gardens
Nor are stable workers the only undocumented immigrants who have worked on Dobbs's properties. Rodrigo Ortega, a native of Chiapas, Mexico, who has lived and worked in the United States for fourteen years, was busy tending the immaculate garden of a large luxury home under the blazing afternoon sun when I approached him. Though he had been working since 7 am, he agreed to talk once his ten-hour workday ended.
Speaking with The Nation in a Mexican restaurant where Univision blared in the background, Ortega, who had worked for a Florida company contracted by Dobbs to do garden maintenance on his West Palm Beach property, described himself as "an immigrant who doesn't have papers." Ortega said he had been responsible for "cutting the grass, cutting the trees, cleaning the garden-all the garden work" at Dobbs's house for more than three years.
Ortega, who was one of approximately fifteen Latin American employees of the company, recalled meeting Dobbs one day while he was working on his garden: "He told me, in Spanish, that his name was Luis." According to Ortega, the two had a brief interaction, during which Dobbs instructed him to tell his boss that a certain plant needed to be moved in the garden.
Ortega said his status was far from a secret. His employer "knew very well that the majority of us didn't have papers," he said, but this was "never a problem." Employees of the landscaping firm "never needed to have a good Social Security number" as a condition of work, he said.
Nor were they ever paid the overtime they are entitled to under federal labor laws, although they typically worked a fifty-hour week, plus a monthly shift on a Saturday.
In a telephone interview, Jorge Garcia, a 24-year-old Guatemalan immigrant who worked for seven years at the same landscaping company, said that he and his brother had also regularly worked on Dobbs's property. The two brothers worked two and a half to three hours each week for more than three years on the upkeep of the lawns, gardens and trees at Dobbs's house, Garcia said. He was hired to do that work even though, he said, "I don't have papers." Neither did his brother.
Originally from the town of Momostenango in Guatemala's department of Totonicapán, Jorge came to the United States looking for work seven years ago. His brother Miguel, now 27, followed him soon after. As Jorge explained, the two of them had family they needed to support back home, including Miguel's wife and three children.
But at his hourly wage of $9, Jorge said, he was "not able to save much money" after covering his rent and bills. Miguel was making only $8 an hour. "The pay is bad," Jorge said. "There are no benefits, there's no medical coverage-nothing." Yet the landscaping work was sometimes dangerous, he said, especially when workers were required to prune Dobbs's trees and taller bushes.
Jorge said that he'd come to America to earn better wages-"to live better." However, his experience working as a landscaper, on Dobbs's and other properties, was "the opposite" of that.
During one of Dobbs's many shows devoted to immigration, in April 2006, the host described $10 an hour as "a decent wage, not, in my opinion, an adequate wage, but a decent wage." He then turned to his viewers with a pointed question: "How much more would you be willing to pay each year for fruits and vegetables if it would improve working conditions and raise wages for farmworkers?"
At the time Dobbs said that, an undocumented Guatemalan worker laboring in his own yard, Miguel Garcia, was being paid only $8 an hour.
Responding to The Nation's request for comment from Lou Dobbs, Chad Wilkinson, producer of The Lou Dobbs Show, said by e-mail that "Lou will not be commenting for the piece." Dobbs's attorney, Robert Zeller, clarified by e-mail that Dobbs would only answer questions if posed on his live radio show. (The Nation agreed to appear on the show but only after publication of this article.)
I asked Mike Sedlak, the owner of Sedlak Landscaping, the contractor that maintains the grounds on Dobbs's West Palm Beach property, whether Dobbs has ever inquired about the status of his employees. Sedlak said only, "I don't feel comfortable talking about it," and quickly got off the phone.
I also asked Missy Clark, the owner of North Run Farm, the stable in Warren, Vermont, where the Dobbs Group horses are housed, whether Dobbs or his daughter had ever inquired about the immigration status of the workers caring for Hillary's horses. She said, "They're very well aware that the people taking care of the horses are 100 percent legal," and said she'd given the Dobbs family assurances to that effect. But she later described her difficulty obtaining work visas for many of her employees. "It was a big process and a total pain in the neck," she said. "I had been working on it for years."
According to Christine Biederman, a Dallas-based immigration lawyer hired by Clark to obtain visas for North Run's employees, a California law firm Clark had initially hired had failed to deliver on visas it promised its clients and had gone out of business. Biederman took over and finally filed the visa applications for Clark's workers in June 2009, including for workers caring for Dobbs Group horses. It took three months for these H-2B visa applications to be processed, Biederman said.
When asked whether the workers who look after Dobbs's horses had legal immigration status before then, Biederman declined to comment.
"Imprisoned in a Palace"
Immigration attorney Laurie Volk explained that immigrant workers in jobs designated "low-skilled" are caught in a bind because "there's a demand for their work, but there's no way for them to do it legally." "There's no visa categories-or there's limited visas-for unskilled labor," she said.
For undocumented workers who have been in the United States for more than a year without status, being apprehended by immigration authorities poses a risk of being deported and barred from re-entry for ten years. That risk was very real for many of the workers who labored on Dobbs's properties, since many of them were in the United States for several years without status. The risks of apprehension were particularly great for the stable workers, whose work caring for the Dobbs Group horses forced them to travel constantly-including to border areas closely monitored by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents.
Salinas traveled back to see his three kids and wife in Mexico on four occasions, but to avoid being apprehended he had to travel by bus, an exceptionally long journey from Vermont. For his part, Gomez is so afraid he will not be able to return to the United States that he has not seen his mother and brothers at all since immigrating six years ago, at the age of 18.
To avoid the risk associated with driving while undocumented, most of the workers interviewed for this piece don't ever drive, which imposes upon their lives an extreme isolation, given that Dobbs's horses are stabled in rural Vermont. Workers relied on their manager to transport them once a week to buy groceries at a store a half-hour's drive away. As Gomez told me, "Here one can't leave." This arrangement left the stable workers feeling, as Esperanza put it, like they were "imprisoned in a palace."
Yet even such precautions as not driving and not traveling home are no guarantee of safety. On the morning of October 5, 2009, Miguel Garcia was arrested by undercover ICE agents while he was on his way to his work cleaning Miami office buildings. (After four years of landscaping at Dobbs's and other properties, he'd quit because of the low pay.) "He was waiting for the train-nothing more," his brother Jorge explained. "They brought him to the jail." After a week in immigration detention, Miguel was deported to Guatemala.
Dobbs has long championed such enforcement measures. Yet according to Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda, a UCLA professor and author of a recent Center for American Progress report, "Raising the Floor for American Workers," these measures "only serve to push undocumented workers further under the table, lowering their wages and the wages of native workers as well."
Commenting on this scapegoating of undocumented workers, Hinojosa-Ojeda remarked, "The irony is that the biggest users of services of the undocumented are affluent white people." In the case of Lou Dobbs, who made his name and his fortune lambasting "illegals" and their employers, the irony is breathtaking.
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Show AllDobbs is nothing more than a miserable PHONEY!!!! I stopped listening to him years ago!!!!!
I guess the lesson here is do as I say, not as I do--he has made obscene amounts of money ranting against illegals,and like most of his sorry ilk, it is empty rhetoric--all about talking and posturing while turning a blind eye to the realities behind the problem.
Where's the accountability?
Another example of the fallacy in the notion that the "rich" need to keep the ridiculous tax cuts because they're the ones who create jobs!!
As we've learned time and again, these wealthy sociopaths will create jobs alright.....for illegals at the lowest possible wages and without paying into Soc Sec or medicare for them, all the while driving down wages for Americans and documented workers.
I'd say Louie and Meg and all the others who've been 'outed' for doing this should be ashamed of themselves; but, they have no shame!! Disgusting!
"When will the new moon be gone that we may sell grain
"And the Sabbath, that we may set forth wheat
"And make the epah small and the sheckel great
"And sell the needy for a pair of shoes ------ Amos
Hitch them horses-and Lou and Hillary- to a turning plow. Get some useful work out of them.
MD- whose Grandfather probably walked around the world behind a team and plow
The last time I listened to Lou Dobbs was when he was on the Democracy Now! show. He was an arrogant jackass and very pejorative to Amy and Juan. To cut to the chase, his puerile,diatribe was: I am one of the smart, rich people, Amy,you and Juan are both poor and dumb! If I do not ever see him again it will be too soon! Yuckkkkkkkkk!
just look at his face. dripping with nasty ugliness. he's fully responsible for his own looks.
Slavery did not end in the U.S. at the end of the civil war.
"Undocumented labor" is a euphemism, or political code, for someone who has no political rights, someone who is invisible, someone we need not show compassion towards, someone who is chattel, someone who is expendable or a slave.
It's not just Lou Dobbs who is the hypocrite here.
"She said, "They're very well aware that the people taking care of the horses are 100 percent legal," and said she'd given the Dobbs family assurances to that effect."
Looks like if you actually read the article to the end, Dobbs did inquire whether the employees were legal and was told they were. But hey, it's a nice inflammatory hit piece anyway.
I think you miss the point. If you are going to rant and rave for years about an issue, you had better make sure you are not part of the problem. Any normal person would be embarassed. His/your defense is that he asked somebody?? Come on - what a cop out and way too easy.
And, really "she said" - no credibility there either
I think i actually got the point pretty well. Dobbs did inquire about the status of the people working for his contractors (none of the guys actually worked directly for Dobbs, or was directly hired by him), probably just so he doesn't find himself in this situation. Now you can pick at which time "Missy Clark, the owner of North Run Farm," lied: when she told Dobbs everything is dandy or when she told the reporter Dobbs inquired about the status.
I'm not really a fan if Dobbs'. I haven't had TV programming in more than 5 years now. Just pointing out some facts that might have been missed by people who skipped directly to the comments section.
Let me try it another way since it appears that you are indeed a Dobbs apologist. If you have ever viewed this puke's (Lou Dobbs) show he rants about employers that don't verify whether the contractors are being honest about their employees being documented. In other words, Lou should have asked to see specifically the documentation of the specific workers that were actually working on his properties and looking after his horse and his daughter.
I recognize that it entail taking more time and care to assure that everything is on the up and up. But if he isn't willing to do it, then he should not be the one rant about it when someone else get caught employing undocumented worker.
Instead he did exactly what he complains that other pukes do as well. Which is to subcontract the work out in order to retain deniability that he knew that the workers were undocumented. He does this knowing full well that if he gets called out on the carpet for his obvious hypocrisy an apologist like yourself will jump in front and take the bullet for him!
But they're illegal aliens, you can't believe them!
(note - I am not a troll, There's a literary device known as "sarcasm"...)
All employers that I know - thousands of small family fruit growers - "inquire whether the employees are legal and are told they are." The majority of immigrants cross the border legally. All immigrants attempt to get their status clarified once here. All employers want their workers to have clear status.
The only way to know with certainty who is and who is not "legal" at any given time is to force everyone - upon demand and at the whim of any law enforcement officer - to prove that they are "legal." That turns innocent until proved guilty on its head, and vacate the Bill of Rights - for all of us. This is like bringing in the artillery because you have a few mosquitoes in your home.
Can no one see what is happening? Immigrant = illegal = terrorist = dissenters = anti-war activists and so forth.
I know of no white people being turned down for farm jobs, and millions of young native born kids are working at jobs that pay less than farm work. We have many sons and daughters of immigrants working in offices and sales on farms, but making no more than they would working outdoors. They take the indoors jobs because they are easier, and they are able to take those jobs because they are literate and can speak and read English, unlike their parents.
It's just a little too facile to allow feigned ignorance to prevail. Contracting with someone is a common practice to avoid responsibility and exploit others. Think about taxes and workmen's compensation, etc. Dobbs should be judged by the harsh standards he's extolled for personal gain. I think he should be prosecuted. Tell me didn't spend lots of time with his daughter down at the horse barn(s).
Did you see him on Lawrence O'Donnell's "The Last Word" when he claimed he's always been for higher wages for undocumented farm workers? Here's the link:
http://www.economicrefugee.net/stunning-lou-dobbs-supports-higher-wages-for-undocumented-farm-workers/
Talk about being an opportunist.
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
Amurka has been piling up political and media figures who are like the evil version of Bunny cartoon characters for a while now, but Dobbs is the most evil, anti-Elmer Fudd-like so far. Since Michael Hayden, at least.
Dobbs is just the type the Tea Party adores, and the Koch brothers will no doubt have him in the Senate along with other Tea Partiers. Check out the American Liberty League-1934, and read how similiar to the Tea Party, in planning to overthrow the government, and implement hiterian policies.
The whole Lou Dobbs affair is so utterly American.
Yes.
It's diversion.
The pro-illegal immigration movement is being thrown a bone.
Just parade a washed-up quasi-celebrity out there and let the populace have their way with him. After the torches are extinguished and we put away our axes and pitchforks, all will be well. We'll go home and watch George Lopez.
You're right, so utterly American.
Meanwhile, the corporatists move forward and it costs them little.
I see you've sneaked back into the house after threatening everyone here with censorship a few weeks back.
Don't worry, ardent, most CDers have short memories.
I was wondering when your pretense of civility was going to end. Glad to see you returning to the ardent we all know and love.
Don't censor me, bro!!
There is no such anything as a "pro-illegal immigration" movement anymore than there is a "pro-illegal drugs" movement. There is in each case a de-criminalization movement.
What is it about "de-criminalization" that you don't understand? We are not in favor of people breaking the law, we are in favor of eliminating the law.
You people who are pushing this "militarized border" idea, and this "papers please" agenda are scary.
No anti-immigrant person has yet to face up to my challenge: propose a way to resolve the problem that is consistent with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. You police state advocates have no solutions, you just want to rant and complain.
Did you really read all that in my comment?
You've worked yourself into a frenzy and offer nothing but innuendo.
I admire your self-righteous conviction though, really can't argue with that.
Good luck in your struggles.
"The bone you throw could be your own."
"Fine by me."
I could say something here, but I won't......
You just did....didn't you?
Missed it...didn't you?
Dobbs and those like him will all suffer the extents of their vices. If there is a God all will be made to repent problem is, I don't believe their is a God so, it is going to be left up to common people to put an end to this servile shit as was done in France, 1789.
Jesus H. Christ. The country is lousy with lying, fat, self-righteous scum like Dobbs. And isn't it essentially the very definition of right-wing ignorance- and hate-mongering arsehole-ism to be this hypocritical? Obviously this imbecile regards himself as living in some moral cocoon reserved for the rich. This is, of course, also definitive of these 'people'. Now, wouldn't it be nice to have laws under which this kind of shit could be prosecuted and 95% of the wealth of scum like Dobbs be appropriated and donated to, say, animal rights groups? Or, better still, immigrant rights groups, or legal entities fighting for the dignity of all the illegals that Dobbs and his fellow whores like Beck, hannity and all the rest of Bush's aacomplices in prostitution so relentlessly attack and vilify?
Now can we please get the goods on that fuck Hannity and that asshole Coulter and that piece of shit Beck?
Oh, right, this is America, where the John Lennons and MLKs are killed, and all these right-wing insects can continue to crawl around and stink up the place with their filth.
The progressive left needs to get goddamn militant in going after these 'people'. But not before the country spends the next couple of generations overhauling its education system, reducing its veneration of testosterone and guns, and learning to make people more important than money.
Right. There goes a flock of pigs right now.
ditto.
The whole point
in keeping some people "illegal"
is to hire them cheaply:
certain work is difficult to offshore
- services, of course, because one who desires service does not wish to live where the poorest of people do;
and agriculture because one cannot easily move the land.
Immigrants and citizens earn the same pay on farms here, and earn les doing the same work south of the border. Immigrants coming here raises wags, it does not depress them.
Farms are easy to move. Why wouldn't they be? You don't need to "move the land" to move a farm anymore than you do when you move a factory.
this "news" , far from surprising , confirms or strengthens the idea that America as a whole is really, indeed, a country that is EXCEPTIONAL in its hypocrisy...
this does not mean that there are NO hypocrites across the planet and in every country..right up to the leaderships.
however...america seems to be portraying itself, or perhaps "unfolding" is the closer description, to be a country which in keeping with CLAIMING righteousness in many , many things in the world:
"leadership, political system, economics, culture, inventiveness, resourcefulness, religion, respect for law, playing by the rules, fairness, justice, compassion, truth, accountability..."
you name ANY and EVERY imaginable human and civilizational concept that a nation or nations might be expected to aspire to, or claim,
AMERICA CLAIMS PRIMACY in all of them....
and YET -- in just about EACH of these claims...america, through its leaderships in EACH of these claims...as well as their corresponding "followers" or factions, or base...
keeps PROVING that it is indeed a Land of Hypocrisy , that has NO peer in history....
for the very reason that it claims ALL of these things in its primacy...and in EACH of them proves its hypocrisy.
it is simply breathtaking. there seems to be NO concept or human endeavor in which america does NOT claim primacy IN ..but ALSO PROVES hypocrisy IN.
it's as if ALL the "best and highest of human civilization" , being claimed and gathered by america as ITS badGES of honor..medals upon medals of supremacy....are constantly polished to gleam by its adherents..both their leaderships and their followers....
ONLY to show that it's a collection of hypocrisies.
it's as if , claiming that "GOD BLESS AMERICA"...
IF god were a kind, gentle, compassionate, loving , forgiving , nurturing god as might be claimed....
america's "GOD" blessing america , in PRACTICE, is one of CRUELTY, GREED, SELFISHNESS, HYPOCRISY, PUNISHMENT, MURDER, STEALING, NARCISSISM, JEALOUSY, ENVY, NIGGARDLINESS....
it's as if ELBOWING its way to FIRST in LINE , separated by a gulf from those "behind", to CLAIM ownership of the "best of humanity" ...America, more and more, shows itself to actually be LAST in line, by a gulf from those before it..in UPHOLDING what it claims ownership to. it's like a Self-proclaimed "LEADER" in Everything..and yet is a Follower of NOTHING.
I still can not wrap my mind around the all-encompasing IMMENSITY of it all.
Nanoo
Wow, after reading these comments, you'd think the majority here are for open borders.
I for one miss Lou Dobbs. So he's wealthy, who would have guessed? This article does a lot of reaching. So he has had people working on his estates he hasn't directly hired, which is probably quite common.
Lou Dobbs spent much of his career making money off of ranting that everyone should be made to do what this reporter did for every person they hire. I do not see how checking on whether he held himself to the same standard that he said everyone should be held to is in any way "reaching" - in fact this is what reporters SHOULD be doing, as it is the definition of journalism.
It does highlight the fact that very, very few employers are intentionally "hiring illegals." Too bad Dobbs spent years accusing them of doing just that, and too bad that so many Democrats bought into that - "arrest the employers!!!" - and too bad that this resulted in the administration ramping up the war on immigrants as well as expanding it to include small family farmers.
"Open borders" - you mean like the one between Canada and the US from 1817 until a couple of years ago? Do you mean "open borders" as was the case all over Europe before WWI?
Closed borders are for the purpose of building police states and fostering war. That is their only purpose.
The issue is not that he is wealthy, rather that he is a hypocrite and has been attacking powerless poor people at the same time he was benefiting from their labor. He has been calling for others to be imprisoned for behavior of which he himself is guilty.
If having employees that were not directly hired by the employers is "quite common" as you say, what has he been ranting about all these years?
You defend Dobbs, and yet are apparently opposed to the immigrants (whatever euphemisms you care to couch that sentiment in) - can you not see the blatant hypocrisy there on your part?
this guy was silly years ago...still silly...
don't watch tv...
I could care less about Dobbs. He's a washed up blowhard.
The message that Dobbs supports, going after employers of undocumented workers, is a valid approach.
The employers of undocumented workers are capitalist exploiters and deserve to be prosecuted.
Advocating leniency towards undocumented workers, but opposing sanctions on employers is essentially saying that there is no problem with open immigration. This a view held by a tiny minority and shows a total lack of concern for labor law and the American working class.
if this douchbag sincerely (however stupid it may be) felt so strongly against illegal immigrants, he should / would have spent time making sure that his servants were all "properly" documented.
but no, he didn't want to pay more for "documented" workers, in his true capitalist spirit, either.
and the resulting practice is quite telling. fully exploit other disadvantaged human beings for private gains, and then deny them any humanity.
There should be no surprise here. As in all things, there is a different set of standards for the wealthy than for the rest of us.
The war on the immigrants was never about "illegal" it was always a war on poor people.
That's not the point, the point is that the government is not pursuing border jumpers because international banks want a global base of slave labor. Governments in turn, can suggest that wages are low because of all the Mexicans taking jobs. Pursue the larger issue of how this treaty, or 'agreement' was settled upon in 2005 with the SPP Accord : http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Bush,_Martin,_Fox_hold_summit,_sign_SPP_accord
Enough of this blurring of the issue.
Dobbs oozes hatred toward "illegals" and anyone who hires them. In other words he suffers SELF HATRED.
Can we all now say Lou is a phony? Let's try.
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