No, there will be no peace. At least not until one state is proclaimed.

The 'two state' solution is a chimera. It's not going to happen. If the Israeli government has its way the one state will be ethnically cleansed of all but the 'approved' religious groupings.

I have no hope that anything good will come out of this next round of 'piece' talks...

"... people pay attention when there is violence against Israelis, while the violence Palestinians face at the hands of Israelis on a daily basis goes unnoticed."

Absolutely right!

I attended a talk by author Ali Abunimah last night, and he used a great simile to describe the "peace talks, " which have never been anything but a figleaf masking Israeli landgrabs.

Mr. Abunimah said the "peace talks" are like the following "negotiations" between Abe and Zeke, who are deciding how to split up a loaf of freshly baked bread:

As they talk, Abe grabs chunks of bread and stuffs them in his mouth. When Zeke puts out his hand to stop Abe, Abe slaps Zeke's hand away. When Zeke objects, Abe accuses Zeke of not wanting to share. If Zeke tries to grab Abe's arm to stop Abe as Abe stuffs more and more bread into his mouth, Abe shoots Zeke. And then Abe announces that Zeke was never interested in sharing, anyway.

Unfortunately, the simile is not perfect, since Mr. Abunimah failed to point out that it was Zeke's loaf of bread in the first place. But otherwise, it works. Israel is accelerating its ethnic cleansing of Palestinian land and its illegal confiscation and annexation of Palestinian land, and has made a two-state solution impossible.

A two-state solution would be possible only if Israel ends its illegal occupation of Palestine and withdraws to the 1967 borders, and finds some way to negotiate with the 20% of Israelis who are Arabs, so that they will be willing to leave their homes and move to the Palestinian side of the border. This is the only way that there can be an exclusively "Jewish" state, because the international community is finally waking up to the reality of Israeli apartheid and human rights abuses.

Since the two-state solution is unlikely, the only solution is one state, with equal rights for every citizen regardless of religion. It will be hard for Israelis to give up their privileged status, just as it was hard for many of the people I knew when I was growing up in Texas to give up their privileged white status over black Americans, but it had to happen. Same thing in South Africa: apartheid had to go.

Same thing in Israel: apartheid has to go. Israel, as the side with all the power, is like a slave owner "negotiating" with the slave. There is nothing to "negotiate." What has to happen is that Israel has to return the stolen Palestinian land, apologize, and make reparations for 62 years of ethnic cleansing, murder, torture, and violation of international law.

We can help Israel move toward sanity and justice and peace by supporting the international movement to Boycott, Divest, and Sanction Israel.

"They always be hollerin’ peace, you know what I’m sayin?…peace my brother, peace this and peace that…But, ah, every time I try to get a piece of mine, they try and get a piece of mine. So I gotta’ grab my piece.”

--Andre

You don't think izrael would kill their own to disrupt and peace talks do you? Naw, not a change, izrael is kind and benevolent invader of palestine and wouldn't do any such thing as using their fellow country men and women for a false flag operation, izrael is far more humane than to do that.

I'm afraid Israel is going to use this attack as an excuse to justify their continued barbaric treatment. The media over here is obviously Israel-centric, and this attack (a pregnant woman, no less) will, I'm afraid, NOT help the Palestinian cause here. Maybe because I was weaned on MLK, Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi, I truly believe violence begets violence, and although I am in support of the Palestinians, the media (with the help of AIPAC) will use this act as a justification and excuse for further violence. In WWII, when Nazis were struck down by Resistance forces, the Nazis would kill 100 for every Nazi killed. What retaliation will Israel pull out? God, will it ever end?

The Palestinians should intensify non violent high profile opposition to Israel's illegal occupation but they should NOT be killing Israeli civilians. The occupation needs to be opposed through all non violent means available, but only through non violent means.

Divestment is great, but really, AIPAC forces, armed with lobbying power money have now infiltrated universities...read more on "campus watch", a'la Orwell. Divestment helped bring world-wide attention to the barbaric practices of South African apartheid, but Israel is a different animal.

Somehow I feel the US is being blackmailed..why are they kissing Israel's ass so much?

"Peace talks" in the US media means "piece talks" in the minds of Israelis. What remains at issue is how much or how little of the 1967 property stolen in 1967 does the mugger have to give back to the victim. Is the US the kind of judge that believes there is actually legal middle ground between the mugger and victim when it comes to determining ownership of stolen property?

Ultimately the US must put its version of a two state proposal on the table.

Yes, let us talk peace!
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0831/Hamas-targets-Israeli-Palestinian-talks-by-killing-four-Israelis

I believe Abbas is still maintaining that without a settlement freeze the talks were a non starter.

Oilybomber just wants a chimera of success somewhere, besides the unconstitutional Health deform.

I'm skeptical about violence that rather opportunistically benefits Israeli propaganda.

There was a recent meeting of various non-Fatah and non-Hamas Palestinian political groups that was broken up by a large number of muscle bound thugs. No one knows exactly who ordered them to do this. But, follow the money.

This was in the West Bank where a false flag attack is certainly plausible.

Fatah is notoriously armed and funded by Israel and the US.

Fatah canceled elections scheduled for July because it was obvious that Fatah would end in a humiliating third place behind both a secular left coalition and Islamic Hamas.

What Abbas represents is basically a front group for Israeli and US interests.

Abbas is a Quisling who has no mandate to negotiate anything for the Palestinian people.

The long term fix is a single Democratic non-theocratic and Constitutional Republic that will honor the right of return as opposed to some race-based bifurcation that will simply put a pseudo legal gloss on the Zionist spoils of war and ratification of the theft of the land of the Palestinian people.

Compare coverage of this attack and US government response with the response to the Flotilla massacre. No condemnation there, from Robert Gibbs and the rest of Obama's "Judeo-Christian" gang.

Those four Jews would be alive today if they had stayed off other people's property; why weren't they satisfied with their homes in Brooklyn? They brought it on themselves. And I'm not moved by the "pregnant" sob story. They're always accusing the Arabs of "breeding like vermin" and yet they do the same thing, having 18 fucking kids and living on the dole in Hebron, Shiloh and all the other Khazar squats on Arab land.

Ptips, please stop with the Zionist claptrap. How much are YOU being paid to post your Hasbara disinformation? Or did you just go the the Hasbara Handbook conveniently posted online? There really are people who read CD who know that way too many of the Settlers were out of work Jews in the US who were very easy to enlist to "settle" in the West Bank. Go away....

FINAL EXODUS
As the oil reserves begin to dry up, the Arab nations will stop trading their oil for war materials built by the West, Israel being a nation of white European invaders, warriors with a dictator mentality, Israel will find the hostility of its neighbors unbearable and the great and final Exodus of ignoble Israel will come to pass.

For the purpose of Israel was to show that evil terrorism, has always been and shall always be, the use of force to overcome evil.

SARCASM -- LIAR WEAPON OF CHOICE

Ptips
“Yes, let us talk peace!
Palestinian-talks-by-killing.”

Did Israel secret police do the killing? If not, then why is it most who are concerned feel Israel had the greatest motivation to do it, and a reputation to match?

And in this liar’s paradise called earth, why is it that sarcastic people claim to be sincere, when their zeal to silence others establishes them to be most cunning and insincere?

The "peace process" has been going on for 60 years. It is always "on the eve of talks". Somebody always kills somebody on the eve of talks. This gives an emotional talking point to those who thrive on this conflict, whose leadership has big problems with honesty and credibility.

There is something very wrong with this ongoing exercise in futility and theatrics. As it wends its weary and discredited course, more people die and nothing is solved.

Do something. At least stop building the new settlements and return land to the Palestinians based on 1967 borders. Lift the blockades. Then talk.

Joe

To reiterate what has been stated above, if these had been the commonplace everyday killing of Palestinians by Israelis, our media would not only not have noticed, but that since no Israelis had been attacked recently, would have declared this to be a "peaceful time."

Four people are murdered and a terroist organization brazenly claims responsibility for the act and this is what people have to say?

Talk about a double standard at work. Shame.