I don't think we could de-country Israel any more than we could de-state Texas (though, I can dream).

Israel has much sway on US politics for one reason: The US born Isreali operatives living, contributing, writing, and voting in the US. Aka, the Israel Lobby.

Don't de-country Israel, de-port the Israel Lobby. Let the sons (and daughters) of Israel go to Israel and be honest citizens for once.

The world is full of atrocity.

This topic is Israel/US.

Seems to me that you're so busy spouting anti-muslim propaganda that you ignore Isreal's atrocities.

Were you so busy defending christians when the abuser was Israel and the christians were displaced Palestinans?

You sound like a zionist imperialist to me and perhaps prejudiced against muslims.

Please respond.

Just GTFO. The fact that crimes exist elsewhere doesn't give Israel the green light to commit even more heinous crimes.

Just return the land that was stolen in 1948, it's simple. GET OUT.

Rich, I've been protesting US imperialism since the late 70's movement against US intervention in Central America. I certainly don't subscribe to "the theory that America's sins are largely the fault of Zionists (aka "The Jews")."

You accuse me of being dimwitted and scapgoating Jews. Write what you like about my intelligence, but your accusations of anti-semitism are totally unfounded, and I demand an apology from you. You have no right to throw around charges of bigotry, simply because I disagree wih your theories of US-Isreali imperial dynamics.

Now back to the land of reason:

I think we agree that Israeli Lobby employs tremendous resources trying to influence US policy in the middle east. If "the lobby finds it easy to exert influence, only because (and insofar as) the US & Israel have an underlying convergence of interests", then whay the need to spend all those millions lobbying?
Why the need to attack and ruin public figures who disagree with the Lobby?

The recent controversy surrounding written statements by Petraeus about Israel endangering US troops immediately comes to mind as a dynamic that is not accounted for by your theory. Bibi's sucker punch at Biden regarding settlements is another.

But I'm sure that a superior intelligence like yourself can easily explain all this to a a simple American dimwit like me.

There is no convergence of interests, and that is obvious. In fact, Israel is detrimental to US interests, which is also painfully (and I use the word purposefully) obvious.

Where this Zionistic talking point came from is beyond me. It's a transparent lie.

Thanks for the correction!

And as long as we're on the subjects of manipulating the US and Operation Gladio, here is former Italian President Francesco Cossiga (who had admitted his involvement in Gladio) in a 2007 interview with an Italian newspaper commenting on Osama bin Laden's supposed "9/11 confession" video:

"All of the democratic circles of America and of Europe, in the front lines being those of the Italian center-left, now know well that the disastrous attack [on 9/11] was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world, to put under accusation the Arabic countries and to persuade the western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Z, a quick summary of Article 11 would be appropriate here, particularly if this will explain the world to Americans, no?

Is this the treaty signed in 1797? If so, Article 11 reads as follows:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The relevance to Netanyahu's claim does not jump out at me.