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Indefinite Detention at Gitmo Criticized as "Legal Nihilism"
NEW YORK - A new U.S. government report is recommending that 48 men currently detained at Guantanamo Bay should be held indefinitely without trial because "for many of the detainees, there are no witnesses who are available to testify in any proceeding against them".
A Guantanamo detainee's feet are shackled to the floor as he attends a class inside the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay US Naval Base in April 2010. Referring to the new US report, one legal scholar said, "This category of 'unlawful enemy combatants' negates almost the entirety of the post-World War II regime for the International Protection of Human Rights established by the U.N. Charter in 1945 and most of the major international human rights treaties." (AFP/Pool/File/Michelle Shephard) But authorities who
follow the tortuous fortunes of Guantanamo say there is another reason:
The evidence against them has been produced by confessions obtained
through torture and would not be admissible in either a civilian or
military court.
The report comes from the Guantánamo Review Task Force, appointed by President Barack Obama during his first week in office to review and assess each detainee's case to determine his fate.
The report
found that the large majority of detainees were low-level fighters who
were not involved in plots against the United States. It recommends
that 126 of the detainees still held at Guantánamo be transferred to
their home countries or a third country, that 36 be prosecuted in
federal courts or military commissions, and that 48 of the detainees be
held indefinitely without charge or trial.
Constitutional law
experts and civil liberties advocates have consistently maintained that
the U.S. system of justice leaves no place for people who are deemed
"impossible to try but too dangerous to release".
Many of them
expressed this view in response to the recent introduction of
legislation that mandates trials only by military commissions and recognizes and plans for a category of prisoners to be held
indefinitely without charge or trial. The legislation was introduced by
Senator John McCain, a Republican from Arizona, and Lindsey Graham, a
Republican from South Carolina.
Commenting on the legislation,
Chip Pitts, president of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, told
IPS, "This bill's warped understanding of international law and its
mistaken predicate still blur actual wars - such as those in
Afghanistan and Iraq today - with the politically appealing yet
misleading and overbroad chimera of an endless and geographically
unlimited 'global war on terror'."
He added, "Particularly
when seen along with the Obama administration's rumored reversal of its
prior decision to try 9/11 suspects in civilian courts as opposed to
military commissions, it's another leg in the terrible race to the
bottom in which politicians compete to seem 'tougher' on terrorism
while really diminishing national security."
Prof. Peter Shane
of the Ohio State University law school told IPS, "There seems to be a
fundamental philosophical difference between those who believe that the
rule of law threatens our fight against terrorism and those who regard
it as one of our most potent weapons."
"There is no evidence to
believe that the executive branch is making decisions with regard to
the interrogation or detention of suspected terrorists that is
compromising either our capacity to obtain intelligence information or
to protect the United States from terrorist attack," he noted.
The
George W. Bush administration, he added, "convicted over 300 terrorist
suspects apprehended in the United States using our criminal justice
system to prosecute terror-related crimes. We should continue to leave
these decisions to the discretion of federal prosecutors and
investigators."
Another legal scholar, Prof. Frances Boyle of
the University of Illinois law school, told IPS that the current
controversy had its roots in the Bush administration, who created a
universe of "legal nihilism where human beings (including U.S.
citizens) can be disappeared, detained incommunicado, denied access to
attorneys and regular courts, tried by kangaroo courts, executed,
tortured, assassinated and subjected to numerous other manifestations
of state terrorism."
He said, "This category of 'unlawful enemy
combatants' negates almost the entirety of the post-World War II regime
for the International Protection of Human Rights established by the
U.N. Charter in 1945 and most of the major international human rights
treaties."
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) also
rejected the notion that there is a significant class of prisoners who
simultaneously cannot be prosecuted or safely released. She said
detaining terrorism suspects without charge or trial is "illegal and
un-American".
Laura W. Murphy, director of the ACLU Washington
Legislative Office, said it was "Incredibly disturbing to hear that the
Obama administration will continue to hold a significant number of
detainees without charge or trial, many of whom were presumably not
captured near any battlefield."
"It would be a colossal error
for the Obama administration to continue its predecessor's policy of
indefinitely holding terrorism suspects, whether at Guantanamo or on
U.S. soil. Detaining individuals indefinitely without charge or trial
is un-American and violates our commitment to the Constitution and due
process," she said.
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31 Comments so far
Show AllThis is how they treat non-American citizens now; probably also American Muslimns. How much longer before non-Muslim American citizens accused of "terrorism" are deprived of due process?
Well there is a already a long history of this if you are Black, poor or any non-white. But it was always de facto, a quiet aberration of our stated national ideals. Miranda and other rights did not come with the Constitution, but resulted from constant struggles to shout out the hidden issues and to realize the high ideals in the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. The abstract law was often an ally, a target to be reached, in these struggles.
The difference that I see now is that dictator style "justice" and Argentinian style disappearance is now being officially sanctioned and promoted in the name of fighting terrorism. What used to be illegal is fast becoming legal and accepted. I believe the real target is the American people - to put fear in some, to reassure the fearful, to pander to testosterone driven political frustration, and finally to control and suppress those who struggle against militarism and corporate domination.
Joe
We have also arrived at a similar pattern of a nonviolent coup d'etat like the one that occurred in Germany in March 1933 when the Reichstag voted to grant Adolph Hitler dictatorial powers.
The formula is already in place in Amerikkka, just as it was in Germany in the early 1930s: a fearful populace plus a spineless, corrupt Congress equals dictatorship.
Obamageddon is a sickening piece of crap.
Please, remember that his Supreme Court (Bush Court) has just overturned "Miranda." You know, the little rule which requires police to tell suspects of a crime that anything they say will be used against them in a court of law, and that they have a right to a lawyer while being questioned.
I never believed a word Obama said during his campaign, then again I don't believe Tide laundry detergent will get my clothes cleaner than cheap soap, either.
But, I am surprised at the scope of Obamageddons right wing policies against every rule, law and moral folkway in the USA.
Obama is a huge disaster and corporate shill.
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
Tide with bleach will but Obama's oreo filling doesn't work like bleach--it just cruds up the clothes when America leaves it in its pockets.
Well I criticize Obama all the time, but in this case it was not his appointees who made this decision. His only appointee, Sonia Sotomayor, wrote the dissenting opinion. At this time, respect for due process is the main test for any judicial appointment. I would question Kagan about her stand on various aspects of due process, especially when the smoke bomb word "terrorism" is thrown out there or when people challenge inner circle companies like Monsanto or BP. Secret arrest without charges, indefinite detention without trial, shooting, torturing, and holding people incommunicado are critical instruments in suppressing any and all movements for economic justice and political freedom both here and everywhere we have an army, which is about 700 bases worldwide.
However you are correct in saying that under Obama the erosion of habeas corpus and due process continues. The erosion has been hastened by promotion of things like hit orders for people dubbed as terrorists by any politician who needs a boost at the polls. No proof, no trial required.
Joe
Thanks for your clarification. But, I digress.
Obama's defense, enabling, and acceptance of unconstitutional "counter-terrorism" policies that he largely continued from the Bush Admin. and in significant ways expanded into detention of numerous prisoners w/out trial or counsel, use of drone strikes killing many civilians, assassination of U.S. citizens, Orwellian claims of unconstitutional presidential power and use of torture "evidence" is very troubling.
If he continues the Bush-like shredding of our Constitution there's is zero chance I would vote for Obama and his "pragmatism" when he goes for reelection.
"If he continues the Bush-like shredding of our Constitution there's is zero chance I would vote for Obama and his "pragmatism" when he goes for reelection."
Seriously, "if he continues". You mean he has your vote now?
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
Kafka-esque Orwellianism = legal and moral nihilism.
William Fisher: "A new (Amerikkkan) government report is recommending that 48 men currently detained at Guantanamo Bay should be held indefinitely without trial because 'for many of the detainees, there are no witnesses who are available to testify in any proceeding against them.'"
In other words, since the Amerikkkan government has no credible evidence against you, it must be assumed that you should be held in prison for the rest of your life. After all, you must be guilty of something.
Who comes up with this shit?
Being president is very far over Obama's head. He does not have a clue on how to govern well.
His benefactors, corporate hirelings, and right wing advisors tell that shill what, when and how to do what he does. He is the model of a meat puppet.
It may be coming evident that Obama does not have a brain in his wooden head, nor does he have any solid moral character.
Obama is an empty Harvard trained suit.
DCH, you amaze me. And where were you educated? Now, I'm not the biggest fan of this administration but, "right wing advisors" are you fucking kidding me? You my " be coming" friend, are a moron. And, review the four meaning of "shill" I think you'll find it really isn't applicable here but, good try brainiac. Geez, we're screwed in this country.
Jill: "If you opposed these things under Bush, why do you support them now?"
The thing is, Barry has moved beyond Bush and Cheney in Amerikkka's new dictatorship. Even Bush and Cheney didn't (at least overtly and publicly) claim the right to assassinate anyone including Amerikkkan citizens at whim.
You're also correct and not paranoid about Barry's claims of dictatorial powers. As evidenced by the continuous drone attacks and increased random imprisonment without benefit of due process, Barry is worse than Bush and Cheney.
Tom and Jill - Two quotes from Ben Franklin:
"A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one."
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Joe
Tom Toad, you are a fool. Must be part of the Bubba vote. It is no wonder our children continue to fall short academically in comparison to their foreign contemporaries. Their parents in most cases are equally as dumb. But, that is exactly what the power brokers in this country want to see and continue to attain by resisting improvements to our educational system. Our country will falter and fail and it is because it's citizenry is too damn stupid to realize what has been done to them. No Bush and Cheney did advocate the right to assassinate and implement the use of drones to kill anybody, the random imprisonment you speak of, as I remember, these people were incarcerated, if you want to make it that benign, long before "Barry" was even a Sen. from IL. Damn, I wish you people could make your arguments based on historical fact!!
Where were you people when Bush and Cheney and Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld (under Ronald Reagan and daddy bush gave him a big bag of cash to present to the ruling family in Saudi Arabia, as a civilian, re-solidifying a relationship started with the Shah in Iran) These people visualized and most likely had a hand in 9-11 in order to give them the opening they needed to progress their agenda, New World Order. Now, Obama may or may not be part of the cabal, only the next few years will show. How can you realistically make the assertions you are? This did not occur in a vacuum, where were you during the 8 years that that moron Bush and his overseer Cheney were in office? Where were you when Reagan and Ollie North first attempted these efforts of establishing their new world order with covert actions by our intelligence arm and some high channels within the military. It is absurd to assert that Obama is worthy of the blame for this. Yes, I would like to see a unilateral pullout from both Iraq and Afghanistan and I believe that the drone attacks in both Afghanistan and Pakistan are against our best interests here in the US and most likely against international law but, oh that's right Bush made sure we would not be susceptible to international scrutiny by not being a signator to the international world court. I agree that our citizenry should, with every fiber of our constitution, resist the government, private corporations and individuals, from disregarding our constitution and not only implementing our empire upon other nations of the world and doing so with the threat of military annihilation, nuclear, biological, chemical or economic warfare but, to lay this at the feet of an administration barely 2 years in office is not only rediculous it's insulting to those of us that really love our country and want it to live up to its credo. If you are to make the assertions you make then be historically accurate! The truth is that our nation has been sold down the river by power mongers and the rich elite both inside and outside America. Eisenhower left the presidency warning us of the danger that the military industrial complex and its cohorts represented to this nation. The cohorts hold many offices upon capital hill and the large boardrooms of many multinational corporations. These aren't the people that will suffer with our country's demise, in fact, they will and are prospering. Dear Jill review your history gurl, this has been the modem operandi for eons. Peaceful resistance will, most likely, not achieve what it is that this nation needs, much like 1789 in France.
-48 men currently detained at Guantanamo Bay should be held indefinitely without trial because "for many of the detainees, there are no witnesses who are available to testify in any proceeding against them". -
Ok, I would have posted earlier, but I was rolling around laughing. You guys are letting your leader and his congress put people in jail, keep them there, *because*, there are no witnesses who are availabe to testify against them? Errrrr, for all the legal eagles in America, no not You Kagan and Yoo, I know what your answers will be, for anybody else, Um, doesn't that mean you are instituting the principle that anyone can be held forever without charges? I know Obama already is doing this to people, even still torturing them, but why give him another *legal* permission slip to expand this practice. Have you considered that it might have problematic consequences for your democracy? your freedoms? Naturally the members of congress, consider themselves exempt from this and other laws under the "look forward not backward" principle that is only available for high officials and corporations but for the rest of you, are you sure you want to keep voting for these people?
It is easy to criticize, but here is the reality...Those of us who vote are always looking for leaders with the ability to win against the MIC to lead us out of war.
Can you name one who you are gonna vote for or would vote for if you could?
-"It is easy to criticize...Can you name one who you are gonna vote for or would vote for if you could?"
Jim Glover, nice to hear from you, let me say that it seems to me that you often make a lot of sense when you are writing on this site. I understand that from an American perspective, presuming you are American, voting for anyone who doesn't get paid by BP, sounds ludicrous. After communicating with you guys for years, I get that. Only a small number vote their interests, and as long as the Democrats and Republicans can keep it that way, they are like pigs in mud.
I can't answer your question directly, I don't have enough time to sift through the regional political struggles, the upcoming challengers to the status quo. But I firmly believe that they are there. In a nation of 300 million, it stands to reason that Cynthia McKinney is not alone. So perhaps it is up to someone closer to the ground to continue scouting out new talent and continuing to build the alternatives that will deliver you, and the world from the disaster of the corporate backed parties. All it takes is initiative, and an acceptance that the leaders you look for are not going to be presented to you on a platter, on a corporate show like "Rachel Maddow" or anywhere else that is easy to access. BP isn't going to sponsor the solution. You guys are the solution.
I'm sure I don't have all the reality, Jim, but I have a piece of it, hoping to collect more, and I'm sure that American progressives are missing a few, so together, who knows what will happen.
jlocke, your brain, or what matter of it you have, must be locked. This administration you might remember took over this mess from a two term idiot and war criminal named Bush. Now, I will grant you that Obama should make every effort to remedy this mess but once instituted it takes more than just presidential decree to make the issue go away. You must think everyone reading your comments are morons like yourself if you expect them to believe that the current administration is responsible for creating this mess or instituting torture. That honor belongs to Bumbling Bush and long over due for a fatal heart attack Cheney, both war criminals and new world order advocates that are only interested with the power and riches that those standing behind this new world order bullshit look to ever increase. You sicken me.
Yes... Who knows what will happen?
I feel what is happening now is more pressure for change and peace than I have ever seen in my life.
I see the Israeli attacks on relief of Gaza as a sign that the world's people are revolting and organizing and won't give up.
"Detaining individuals indefinitely without charge or trial is un-American and violates our commitment to the Constitution and due process," she said.
Constitution? Constitution? We doan need no stinkin' Constitution!"
(with apologies to the "Treasure of Sierra Madre")
How about a new reality TV show:
"Torture a Terrorist" I am sure it would be a huge hit. The contestants can make them dance by shooting at their feet, use cattle prods, waterboarding, etc. Dancing with Detainees.
It would be great Coloseum-like entertainment for the Plebs. Great diversion from the problems. (In Arizona they can add undocumented immigrants to the show.)
The fact that the detainees are being held illegally without any evidence is just an excuse by whiny commie-pinkos to spoil the fun. This show would create much needed jobs after all.
Hail Caesar! Hail the Empire!
This kind of thing could give a perfectly reasonable nihilism a bad name.
What's wrong with the phrase "cruel and unusual punishment"?
Gitmo is a boot of domination over all of us.
It steps on justice, on the right to care.
It grinds down hope, produces human loss.
Souls will be killed, and some left in despair.
And thats just the effect on the current administration.
The effects on goalers is ever so subtle and increasingly cruel
The souls of those that supposedly run the nation.
Must do more evil every day for the spell to stay powerful.
The more that innocence is interred, the greater evil binds the soul.
The more twisted is the bigotry, that by the self justified.
More people must be bombed and killed to fulfill the never ending goal,
So that self doubt can be buried and war is lustified.
Every drone missile fired, device exploded and life blown,
Is justified by those in concrete prison kept.
Where the most harmless of beings are kept sadly alone.
So the Islam and Christian killers can together in harmony bloodlet.
Gitmo is the sorcerous spell that binds the American wars.
The gaoler that hardens the hearts of the powerful killers.
If this is justice, then justice has dollars and demon claws.
And occupation and invasion is the sweet sounds of cash tillers.