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Israel Attacks Gaza Aid Fleet
Israeli forces have attacked a flotilla of aid-carrying ships aiming to break the country's siege on Gaza.
People protest against Israel in front of the Israeli ambassador's residence in the Turkish capital Ankara on May 31. At least 10 activists were killed before dawn on Monday when Israeli navy commandos stormed a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, sparking international outrage and plunging the Jewish state into a diplomatic crisis.(AFP/Adem Altan) At least 19 people were killed and dozens injured when troops
intercepted the convoy of ships dubbed the Freedom Flotilla early on
Monday, Israeli radio reported.
The flotilla was attacked in international waters, 65km off the Gaza coast.
Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman, confirmed that the attack took place in international waters, saying: "This happened in waters outside of Israeli territory, but we have the right to defend ourselves."
Footage from the flotilla's lead vessel, the Mavi Marmara, showed armed Israeli soldiers boarding the ship and helicopters flying overhead.
Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal, on board the Mavi Marmara, said Israeli troops had used live ammunition during the operation.
The Israeli military said four soldiers had been wounded and claimed troops opened fire after "demonstrators onboard attacked the IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs".
Free Gaza Movement, the organisers of the flotilla, however, said the troops opened fire as soon as they stormed the convoy.
Our correspondent said that a white surrender flag was raised from the ship and there was no live fire coming from the passengers.
Before losing communication with our correspondent, a voice in Hebrew was clearly heard saying: "Everyone shut up".
Israeli intervention
Earlier, the Israeli navy had contacted the captain of the Mavi Marmara, asking him to identify himself and say where the ship was headed.
Shortly after, two Israeli naval vessels had flanked the flotilla on either side, but at a distance.
Organisers of the flotilla carrying 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid then diverted their ships and slowed down to avoid a confrontation during the night.
They also issued all passengers life jackets and asked them to remain below deck.
Al Jazeera's Ayman Mohyeldin, reporting from Jerusalem, said the Israeli action was surprising.
"All the images being shown from the activists on board those ships show clearly that they were civilians and peaceful in nature, with medical supplies on board. So it will surprise many in the international community to learn what could have possibly led to this type of confrontation," he said.
Meanwhile, Israeli police have been put on a heightened state of alert across the country to prevent any civil disturbances.
Sheikh Raed Salah,a leading member of the Islamic Movement who was on board the ship, was reported to have been seriously injured. He was being treated in Israel's Tal Hasharon hospital.
In Um Al Faham, the stronghold of the Islamic movement in Israel and the birth place of Salah, preparations for mass demonstrations were under way.
Protests
Condemnation has been quick to pour in after the Israeli action.
Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, officially declared a three-day state of mourning over Monday's deaths.
Turkey, Spain, Greece, Denmark and Sweden have all summoned the Israeli ambassador's in their respective countries to protest against the deadly assault.
Thousands of Turkish protesters tried to storm the Israeli consulate in Istanbul soon after the news of the operation broke. The protesters shouted "Damn Israel" as police blocked them.
"(The interception on the convoy) is unacceptable ... Israel will have to endure the consequences of this behaviour," the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement.
Ismail Haniya, the Hamas leader in Gaza, has also dubbed the Israeli action as "barbaric".
Hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists, including a Nobel laureate and several European legislators, were with the flotilla, aiming to reach Gaza in defiance of an Israeli embargo.
The convoy came from the UK, Ireland, Algeria, Kuwait, Greece and Turkey, and was comprised of about 700 people from 50 nationalities.
But Israel had said it would not allow the flotilla to reach the Gaza Strip and vowed to stop the six ships from reaching the coastal Palestinian territory.
The flotilla had set sail from a port in Cyprus on Sunday and aimed to reach Gaza by Monday morning.
Israel said the boats were embarking on "an act of provocation" against the Israeli military, rather than providing aid, and that it had issued warrants to prohibit their entrance to Gaza.
It asserted that the flotilla would be breaking international law by landing in Gaza, a claim the organisers rejected.
Source: Al Jazeera and agenciesComments
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CONSCIENCE: Thank you for your bravery in seeking to expand the picture to one larger than the usual "ball park" rendition featuring good team and bad team playouts endlessly dissected. So many in this forum don't realize the degree to which they have assimilated, and now reflect, the framing of the dominant paradigm.
I think it helps to explain that it's not so much the matter of gender, as it is about belief systems that have (over the course of centuries) only factored the masculine "side" of the force into all basic life equations from religion down to economic bases for distribution. Just as the white person can only "get" racism from a tangential perspective, many men do NOT get sexism at all.
The hate and blame being thrown around in this forum will ensure one thing: a continuation of war, enemies, and violence. It is the mindset of OTHER and ENEMY that need to be overcome! Finding targets does nothing to shift consciousness! No wonder our Gulf is bleeding.
Well said. Hatred doesn't help and indeed, keeps the "game" going. So being in the heart, responding from the heart...is what shifts the energies, shifts consciousness, and in turn, shifts realities.
Request: The old "game" even blames...planets! Question: Why blame MARS? Or any planet? Any constellation? How easy it is for us (me included!)to fall into this meme, mostly out of habit and conditioning, me thinks. As a result, I "send" the planet MARS...loving regard in this very moment. (It is not a warring, aggressive planet...unless we give it that story. And I choose not to.)
P.S. I do sense, however, there's a difference between blaming, spewing hatred...and holding firm with a "No, you may no longer do this" declaration. Interestingly, that exhortation then shifts the "victim" energies as well. Because what it's saying: "I am not a victim." Of course, the other part I suggest needs to be said in the same breath: "And I no longer victimize anyone or anything else."
Thanks for expanding the discussion beyond the tangible/physical. Needs to be done, or we'll keep getting the same results.
Sioux Rose
The future: I am an astrologer and for me, the archetypes of time are VERY real. What DNA is to human biology, the planetary spheres are to its spiritual equivalent. I don't need anyone in this forum to validate this perspective, as I have studied The Logos for over 30 years and require no outside validation. I share in this forum to bear witness to a knowledge seldom allowed in modern discourse or its certified arenas of conjecture.
Mars represents the untamed human ego, the first chakra, the fight (as opposed to flight) syndrome. If you read an earlier post of mine on this thread, I explain its association with the time period in which the Old Testament's Thesis came into dominion.
Because statistics back me in how much of the US budget goes directly towards the military or its various and sundry weapons programs, I think it's very fair to say that in the US "Mars rules."
You can send "it" all the love you want. If societies were not organized around an exclusively MALE concept of the deity, to the point where half the human race has been excluded not only from all the mundane decision-making tables, but also taken for LESS THAN holy (or equivalent to the masculine) in the alleged God's eyes, we would not be facing such asymmetric anti-life values and practices in so many arenas of life.
Mars is necessary for the experience of independent egos evolving through the experience of embodiment on the earth plane. At its best, Mars is the sensual counterpart and EQUAL PARTNER to Venus, and protector of law, sound principle, and those that cannot defend themselves. What's happened is that Mars has been inverted to serve the military state in its violent control over citizens. This is happening to many nations, and unfortunately the US is leading the way. As Smedley Butler and Jack Perkins also pointed out, a good deal of Mars/militarism serves capital interests, and when money is gotten by ill-begotten means, then VENUS (principle of wealth and the Divine feminine counterpart to Mars) is also inverted.
This symbolic marriage of two powerful archetypes, both inverted, has sent our world to hell... as seen in escalating violence in a great many places, resource desecration and depletion, and a monetary system that now doesn't mean shit to a tree thanks to the faux-wealth instrument known as the swap/derivative.
Balance is a KEY factor in righting humanity's course. Not more militarism and or any further claims to violence as remedy for all ills.
Perhaps in that regard, you and I are on the same (cosmic) page.
I have raised most of these points in many prior posts. A few thank me for doing so, but I also seem to function as a lightning rod that attracts a number of ferocious and dim-witted trolls.
In my last book I begin it with Einstein's quote, that "No problem is solved at the level of thinking that brought it about." The astrologer is the first, and apparently enduring heretic... because we raise the discussion above the level of a two-dimensional contest between dual polar camps. I suppose that's what I've been trying to relate in response to this intense thread.
I would like to believe this, but I just don't see any evidence for it. Israeli peace demonstrations attract painfully few participants and they keep voting in absolute monsters as their national leaders. Check out the comments at Ha'aretz some time, they are as warmongering and reactionary as any that you might find on the Internet.
Wasn't this Nixon's deal -- ?
Arm right wing Fundi Israel, bury peace-loving Israel --
and gain a foothold in the Middle East?
And the Israeli Fundis get to kill Palestinians . . . !!!
And to have nuclear weapons . . . !!!
There's no difference between our own right wing Fundi
military hawks and Israel's -- they are the same.
We are funding Israel's warmongering and have been for
decades. We are funding this GENOCIDE against Palestinians.
US and Israeli military production/weapons are so entertwined
that you can almost not tell the difference between them.
US and Israel -- warmongering together around the globe!
.
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
According to legend, women were the original rulers of mankind (uh, womankind?). But through superior physical strength and animal cunning, men took over. For centuries, men conditioned women to be obedient and eager to please. (Yuck.) This was the beginning of the downfall of the human race. Now we are seeing the final days. Yes, its a man's world, just look at the horrific mess that they have made of it.
A few unresolved gender issues perhaps?
It's too many of the world's cultures that have unresolved gender/sex issues, not those who observe current practices and comment on them.
Bless your heart, but this "We're better than you" stuff because I've got a vagina...uh, me thinks not so very helpful. For the record:
1. I'm female, and
2. I do not want to rule over anyone. Let me also suggest
3. "ruling over," even as a female, is just as oppressive an act as "ruling over" as a male. (Why does anyone have to rule over anybody?)
4. I'm a former Christian chaplain (five years in the seminary), and did my share of research re: "goddess" spirituality after saying adios to that initial set of mythologies that had been with me for so long. And my conclusion (which of course you don't have to buy into)? It was still about hierarchies and domination - just more subtly so.
P.S. I've met many men in my life who are as peaceful, kind, gentle, respectful...as any woman I've ever met.
I wish you well.
"US and Israeli military production/weapons are so intertwined that you can almost not tell the difference between them.
US and Israel -- warmongering together around the globe!"
This reminded me of the end of Orwell's "Animal Farm." The pigs invited the local farmers to a dinner party at the farm. The animals tiptoed to the windows and looked in.
"Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
No question at all, then...and now.
http://www.awaztoday.com/
pray for him and others.
White House response:
"deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained" in the incident.
Response: Obama has yet to condemn Israel's attack on civilians, hijacking of boats on international water, taking the hostage of unarmed people including US citizens, and illegal confiscation of property.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_israel_palestinians_obama
Did you really expect any better? Congressional elections are coming up with AIPAC holding its trump cards. Also, we are talking about the USA, the world's most dangerous and ruthless predatory nation, one that routinely murders innocents without remorse and in secret whenever possible. I am one of those who even suspects the USA in the sinking of the South Korean vessel. It sure did work to the advantage of the USA predatory elites, as the Japanese PM reversed himself on the marine base closing in Okinawa and suddenly became more hostile to China and friendly to the USA.
I don't expect any better as Obama finds a new reason to dissappoint every week. I'm simply making sure Obama's non-response gets noted in history, via this Internet site.
Check out comments in some foreign press about the S. Koren sub sinking.
Beleive me, the American propraganda machine is only for domestic consumption.
They all immediately said the US did it to give Japans PM cover.
The Japanese people saw right through it,too.
Americans are seriously handicapped in the thinking process.
I questioned what the propaganda machine was puttin' out immediately, and read a number of alternative views. But yours now...makes sense. Of course. Perfect reason for a US military base to remain on Okinawa.
Yeaaaahhhh, Japanese people!!! Am proud of you for seeing through it!!!
My hatred for the gangster state of Israel has increased tenfold.
The line in the sand has been crossed. It's time the Israeli leaders be brought to justice and the siege on Gaza ends once and for all.
It hasn't exactly increased anyone's supply of love for their sponsoring gangsters in America and elsewhere either.
If the U.S. thought its support for Israel was causing problems for its broader geopolitical strategies up to now, ... Guess what? The "terrorist" recruitment to attrition by drone ratio ain't gonna get better.
"My hatred for the gangster state of Israel has increased tenfold."
Hah! I thought I was maxed out already, after the Gazan 2009 3 week murder-spree. But today I felt a sharp spike. Tenfold feels a little low just now.
I think I'll actually boycott, freeze out, nix and unwelcome my jewish friends and tell them I'll talk to them again when they've stopped their fellow Israeli jews acting out their psychotic murdering. In hindsight, Hitler was a shade better than the Israelis. None of his concentration-camps held 1.5 million, as Gaza does. Nazis or Israel, same-same - same shame.
I really hope smbd gives Israel a strong blowback. I'll cheer if Knesset is bombed to bits.
A pox on Israel.
Isreal killers.
Sioux Rose
Evidently NOT SMARTER, you think your call to vengeance and glowing bigotry is worth posting? How would your wish to see another bombed to bits make you any iota better than those you feel compelled to judge with your own brand of narrow-minded righteousness? I think other screen names would suit you more accurately.
And just where has your wishy-washy misplaced "tolerance" gotten Gaza? - Some effective counter-terror to Israel's systematic murders just might - might - save the next lives Israel plan on offing. There could be netto gain in lives. Easily. The IDF has plans made up for war in Lebanon, again. And only worry for the consequenses by the USA has held IDF back from attacking Iran - according to Seymour Hersh.
Your implied advocacy of non-violence only begets more violence in the case of Israel, as history shows. Israel is a state in a psychotic state. Psychotics are best restrained with physical force.
Cf. "The massacre that took place was a premeditated Israeli operation. Israel wanted blood because it believes that its ‘power of deterrence’ expands with the more dead it leaves behind." - Al Jazeera, Gilad Atzmon (gilad.co.uk), an Israeli-born writer and jazz musician living in London. He has previously served in the Israeli military.
Or don't you think the Allies' counter-killing of Germans in WWII did anything to stop Hitler? Do you think the German nazis would've been stopped by dreamy words and politely "narrow-minded" placards carried by you et al? - Not so, Miss wishy-washy new ager who let others do the suffering for you and the fighting for you.
Don't recommend not fighting back on behalf of those suffering attack while you suffer nothing. That's cowardice plus high-horse moralizing without a horse to sit on.
World War Three is a part of the end-time prophecies. It happens in the Middle East, of course. (By the way, one of the prophecies is also that the oceans will turn black.)
I have been outraged over Israeli war crimes for years, and it just keeps getting worse. Bush kissed their behinds, and let them do whatever, while he blocked any action against them by the UN. I am waiting to hear what Obama says, I am hoping that he will be very stern. If he would only cut off all aid to Israel, their iniquities would come to a screeching halt. If he, in any way, condones this atrocity, I will know that he is not in charge. I have thought for a long time that he doesn't have a lot of power, the corporations have it all. He has aged ten years since he took office, and I think that he knows things that are horrible to know, and which he has no power over. We must face facts. Our "democracy" has been taken hostage by wealthy elitists, and they use the Republicans and the corporate media to keep their iron grip on our gov't. We need to do more than complain, we need to organize. Everything that we hold dear is at risk, and we are the only ones who can save it.
Ever notice how the Gestapo in Israel always plays the same card ad nausea?
They always parrot the expected script, "we have a right to defend ourselves" Which begs the question: How many Commandos were killed by the activists?
Rewind to when the Israeli Gestapo ran an American activist over with a bull dozer. Did she kill anyone?
Take the 20 thousand plus Palestinians murdered in the last ten years against the 200 Israelis. Or historically the Shatilla and Sabra refuge camp massacres of men, women, and children.
Apparently, activists and Palestinians don't have a right to defend themselves but the Nazi regime does.
That's what the German occupiers, who were sent by their fascist government to occupy Norway, said to the world. They admired the Norwegians most of whom reluctantly coexisted with the occupiers while still resenting them. A small resistance did extensive damage to the occupation army. The Germans couldn't understand why the resistance would want to harm them, but nonetheless hunted resistance fighters down and dealt with them and other Norwegian citizens brutally. The German soldiers said "we have a right to defend ourselves".
Where is the difference here?
There is some. Many Israelis despise the local Palistinians, some always have, and the current Israeli MO is to terrorise all of them all the time.
A small resistance??! I think most Norwegians would feel very insulted by your comment. Check out the recent Norwegian war movie on Max Manus. Norwegians still run documentaries on TV showing the multitudes of resistance that existed during 1940-1945. For a tiny nation, Norway actually put up a huge resistance.
Sorry to correct you. The occupied portions of the Soviet Union put up a huge resistance and paid dearly for it in death meted out by the German Army. The Balkans had a very large resistance, and paid dearly. The Italians and French had a moderate resistance (although the Italians might want you to think otherwise). The Danes had a passive resistance, and the Norwegians had a small but extremely effective, heroic, and - for the Germans - debilitating resistance. It was just not that large in numbers and that's just as well. If you doubt the numbers, there is a little museum within the confines of the Akerhus in Oslo that will give you a blow by blow walk through the entire war. In the North there was a regular infantry consisting of Norwegians, Poles, some Brits, and Russians fighting against the Germans, not an underground. As expected with the Ukrainians, and to a lesser degree with the Balkans, and to some degree the French and Italians, the northern contingent fighting forces contained a good number of Communists, who fought valiantly. Fortunately they didn't succeed in taking over the country after the war.
As I already wrote once, the Norwegian underground was never as large in proportion to the population as in other parts of Europe, but were extremely effective. The members also provided various degrees of engagement. The Norwegian people are what they are; tough, pragmatic, honorable, and heroic. They are quite honest and comfortable with what they are, they don't have to mythologize their past the way some other nations do. I don't think Norwegians would feel a need to quibble over the adjective "small", and I know a number of them.
To them I say, "Alt for Norge!"
RE: List of dead and wounded in the attack.
Where is it being posted or published?
____
Also: breaking news 11 AM ET Monday: Canada finally puts out a clone of the UK and US statements: "deeply regrets the loss of life", just as Netanyahu is meeting with the PM.
Canada is officially Israel's "new best friend". The anchor of the CBC National, Peter Mansbridge, lent himself to an exclusive interview with Netanyahu Sunday night. Shame and embarrassment.
"The Israeli military said four soldiers had been wounded and claimed troops opened fire after "demonstrators onboard attacked the IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs"."
Even if this is true, so fucking what? Even accepting the IDF's claims, so fucking what?
Who gave the fucking IDF the right to board?
I smell a little panic in this total fabrication.
Been following this since 6am est. The Israeli's responses grow more fabulous by the hour. I expect to hear the floatilla was smuggling weapons for Hamas, supplied by Iran. Following hour, we'll hear theat Peace Acitivists fired missiles on Israeli warships, forcing Israel to defend itself.
And, anyone care to bet that someone will spout their time tested, tried and true favorite of favorites, armed activists using children as HUMAN SHIELDS to protect themselves from IDF soldiers only trying to defend themselves.
Exactly right.
The blockade is illegal and the flotilla was a peaceful effort to render aid to needy Palistinians.
If the soldiers were not attacked they should have been.
CQ from Maine:
Let this be the beginning of the end of the apartheid state of Israel. Let decent Jews everywhere join the battle against the ultra crazy ultra orthodox right wing settlers who have hijacked a not particularly good idea to begin with and made it fifty times worse. Back to the '67 borders now!
A small, but important, clarification. Generally speaking, orthodox Jews are opposed to Zionism. It's the non-orthodoxy that's the problem.
I understand that seems somewhat counter-intuitive, especially in the U.S. where it's the largely right-wing, so-called "fundamentalist" Xians who support the Zionists for reasons of their own -- not, it must be added, for the ultimate benefit of the Jews themselves.
Some ultra-Orthodox Jews (black clad, special hats and beards) here in NY participate in demonstrations against the treatment of Palestinians in Israel. It is surprising to see them marching along with Moslem women in head scarves. It is the less mystical-spiritual and more nationalistic and materialistic sectors of Judaism which are the strongest supporters of Zionist exceptionalism and land grabs.
Joe
The orthodox Jews living in the British Mandate of Palestine opposed the formation of a "Jewish State" because they correctly believed that it would become a secular state.
Sioux Rose
JOE: Well and wisely stated. Your posts are often rich in understanding, and quite succinct in commentary.
Gee, thanks.
Joe
democracynow.org has a blog on the "Israel attack flotilla" with Adam Shapiro.
I tried to post this before, but it did not get through.
I understand the White House issued a statement saying that it would deplored the violence but would try to determine the cause of the incident.
That sounds just like the official Chinese response to North Korea sinking a South Korean ship in international waters.
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Thank you BIG LETTERS cop! Whew! To think, we came so close to actually having to see .... CAPITAL LETTERS!
Can anyone tell me, when there is so much intolerance and pain in the world, why a person's comment is censored here merely because it contains too many capital letters? Can't we readers simply decide for ourselves if we want to read or skip the comment?
Being human is sometimes so embarrassing. CAPITAL LETTERS! Omg, SPARE me!
At this moment, it make little difference who is to blame, who did what or to whom, there are nineteen more families mourning their dead children, brothers, sisters...
Good God, when will it be enough?
At this moment, it makes little difference who is to blame? When will it start to matter in your opinion? Ever?
I'm sorry, Prometheus, but your constantly neutral "enough blame to go around" position does get just a bit tiresome in the circumstances.
You simply don't understand what I just said. Please read it again.
As to "enough blame to go around" position does get just a bit tiresome in the circumstances."
Tiresome it might be, but its the truth. There is more than enough blame to go around. More than enough. I find it tiresome and tedious to keep reading the one sided posts that put the blame for this entire situation on the Israeli from 1948 till now.
I understand the thrust and intent of your comments (this and others) perfectly well.
But nevermind. You're right in a way. Individual judgements about blame probably don't matter much. What does matter is a global consensus that is growing very rapidly and Israel knows it -- or at least some of their more intelligent assessors do. See http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=1000563370&fid=980
It isn't so much that he's wrong, just bland and lukewarm and boring. You can't be wrong when you won't declare which side you're on. Like it or not, the battle lines are being drawn. It doesn't hurt anything for Prometheus to stand out in the middle puffing his briarwood pipe and reciting fair minded platitudes. The safety of irrelevancy should be open to anyone.
Perfectly stated and absolutely correct, of course. I guess I woke up overly irritable this morning for some reason.
Only a fool would believe that. I don't smoke by the way. But you are right I'm not one of you folks that made so much diffedrence back in the sixties, ending the war singlehanded as you did.
Nor am I one of you oh so enlightened folks that know everything and all is so black and white that if someone denies one of your platitudes, they must be wrong, because you guys are so damn smart.
Remember also that if you speak real truth on CD you get thrown off.
So I guess if someone wants some passion, heres a bit, anyone that is so one sided, so ideological and so involved in group think they cannot speak except in approved modes with approved concepts, or doesn't know much about the real world and prefers to speak in utopian idealistic bull shit that sounds so self satisfying and means zippy-do-dah...
Go fuck yourself.
Strange reaction. I thought voxclamantis was actually defending your right to be dispassionate, albeit with a certain amount of sarcastic humor.
Thanks my friend. At this moment blame doesn't enter into it for me, I'm just sick for these families and the needless deaths.
If you'll go back and look, I posted twice I think, maybe three times that I hoped they wouldn't push them till someone was killed, that these guys weren't bluffing...this is exactly what I was afraid of. The people on those boats didn't understand this wasn't a show or "just a demonstration"
The biggest mistake anyone can make is to think I support the Israeli simply because I don't support the Palestinaian side every time, no matter what happens, no matter the circumstance, no matter the history or that I don't do it immediately.
For example, I have watched some people here argue till the cow's come home that the Palestinians should have the right of return because they lived there before and turn right around and argue that Jerusalem suould be split or given back, etc, yet it was the Jews that built Jerusalem, their city. Or that the Arabs never attacked Israel, etc. Or that the Arab countries just love their Palestinian brothers no matter the evidence.
I support the Palestinians right to a homeland, the right to quit living in a ghetto for all practical purposes. Period. Biut I will always take each instance for what it is, rather than taking only one side, right or wrong, for purities sake.
And as you saw the other day and Errol saw yesterday, sometimes I just mispeak. And I appreciate the slack I get cut when I do by you guys with a bit of reason.
I can't wish you a happy memorial day because it is such a sad day, but have a safe one and thanks again.
Simple. Don't read it and go take your pathetic excuses for supporting Zionazism and read and write in another blog that appreciates them. That we are saved from your pathetic opinion to which of course you have a right!