How far we should let them go ?
It's more like how far do they wanna go ?

They have control over government, used US military in the middle east as they wish, and even when they commit crimes such as the latest oil spill no one can say anything to them.

I gave up a long time ago, someone please RESTORE THE REPUBLIC

How Far Should We Let Big Oil Go?

answer:

about as far as 6 by 8 Prison cells allow..

2 Company folks sharing space. counting their "dividends". ..in endless games of Monopoly...for the next 100 years ....each.

Big Oil isn't about to care as long as they can count on fuel inefficiency and forced demand for oil to continue up to the last drop.

Who's "we?"

As long as the liberal pundits misuse the basic adverbs they render themselves irrelevant.

Ms. Juhasz, there is NO silver lining. These rapacious and malevolent "Big Oil Bastards" are going to do as they DAM well please, and there isn't a DAM thing that'll be done about it.

reduction of any practice, whether primarily destructive, or secondarily so, will, of necessity, cost jobs...

as long as money is required for the right to live on the face of the planet, saving the planet is impossible, as the planet is, ultimately, the only source of money...

catch-22, mr. heller...

our own salvation options are limited by our forced indebtedness for the land...

we must free the land to free ourselves...private property must die, or all will...

those in power know wherein their power lies...in the land...

living land, by the way...healthy, diverse, wild...

I thought Antonia Juhasz just might get to the gist of the problem after her statement: "I am confronted daily by people who are looking around their own communities and out across the world with new-found attention to the deep costs paid every day for our oil addiction." But of course she doesn't. Ms. Juhasz is still living in denial like millions of other Americans.

"The public is roused, angered and ready to act." Bullshit. The one, positive act that American drivers can do to address the problems of Big Oil is to rid themselves of their fossil fuel-burning vehicles. But being the hypocrites they are, American drivers will continue to whine about gas prices and place the entire blame of the Gulf of Mexico's oil volcano on the evil oil corporations.

SaboCat (May 24th, 2010 5:07 pm) has it mostly right: "Don't bamme the government. As long as USAns continue their car addiction. They will let Big Oil do absolutely anything that Big Oil wants."

The sorry sacks of shit surrounding this issue are the executives in the board rooms of Big Oil, followed closely by the hypocrites driving on this country's roads and "free"ways.

Big oil long ago went all the way with Washington. DLC Obama seems to want this disaster to just blow over so we can all get back to business as usual. We may need to attack N. Korea or something really important like that! Osama may put out another video! We need the oil by God! We need nuclear power, also! If this catastrophe continues, the catastrophe itself may save us from big oil. Then again it may just kill everything that swims on planet earth and leave big oil intact.

I have a solution. DLC Obama should federalize the rays of the sun. Claim exclusive rights to the rays shining on the USA and our territorial waters. Similar to claiming mineral rights under foot. Enter into international agreements that allow all countries to do the same. Then sell the exclusive rights to those rays to multinational corporations that are willing and able to develop solar power. With no competition, cartels will quickly develop with the ability to extract a price per kilowatt hour great enough to produce a desired R.O.I. We end up trading an oil monopoly for a solar monopoly, but the planet survives and we continue in the servitude that we have become accustomed.

We Should Let Big Oil Go Streight To Jail - Do Not Pass GO

These are the real terrorists - not some turban clad farmers.

"For as long as we continue to use oil, the operations of its providers will be restricted, reined in, regulated and, ultimately, retired."

Where's she talking about? I'd like to go there.

I look forward to more people learning about alternatives to the carbon-fuel-based economy. We can have an abundance of low-cost, pollution free energy that's not controlled by the military-industrial complex. Solutions have existed (and have been suppressed) for over a hundred years.

As we learn to focus on the possibilities instead of the disasters... the changes that we are all asking for will occur. You can find more info here:

http://www.theorionproject.org/en/index.html
http://changingpower.net/articles/free-energy-documentary-producer-pitches-tv-series/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgQXYBRYwbg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw&feature=related

THe USA gov. can get an accurate reading of the Gusher volume, Let Iran help plug it.

And enact a bill which fines oil companies per day for unplugged uncontrolled wells.

Plus send 100,000 troops to cleanup

"How Far Should We Let Big Oil Go?"

Not another nanometer. If the massive destruction of life in the Gulf of Mexico is out of sight it is largely a result of the Barnays marketeering on the billboards. There is also the imperial march hidden behind there, still, as is the root cause of the 9/11 blowback. "Go Shopping. Don't Ask Questions." The scary part is that most USans are still perfectly happy watching the billboards! That funky "god" thing also whacks our reverence for the planet.

It's conceivable that a nationalized oil company could become imperialistic but it clearly does not have the explicit mandate of the corporate charter to forever expand over the landscape like the great blob from hell.

It's also conceivable that a corporation can defy that horrific charter and operate at zero growth while focusing on honestly serving the true better interests of the people.

So the ideas of banning corporations and nationalizing industries are simply reactions to current human perceptions, which are dynamic of course, so the bans will eventually be rendered irrelevant by the next incarnation of godzilla.

The implication is this: A general public resistance against generic domination/oppression rackets in whatever grotesque form they may morph into is really what we need to build. The approach is extremely simple for the people to grasp, like a sledgehammer, and probably most effective of all.

One important result would be a collective demand for locally-owned/operated, small-scale, sustainable energy production for local markets.

Big oil will continue to take until it is capped,
The CEO still gets paid in billions, as we become climate trapped,
Big leaks of oil will continue go everywhere,
Gushers into the sea, and burnt carbon into the air,
but Big Oil just rakes the money and does not care.

Big Oil will not pay the cost of environment spills,
Nor suffer the life that dies as oiliness clogs lungs and gills.
As the ocean or air becomes unbreathable muck.
Big oil executives just say go yourself suck.
If the climate is now unliveable thats your bad luck.

Big oil owns the planet, and makes it go around,
Big oil owns every drop of oil under sea and ground.
Big oil drives engines and makes political wheels spin,
Big oil fuels every judges car and media hacks sin.
Big oil starts wars based on greed with excuses thin.

Big oil pays for each and every big political election,
Each current oil war started with a candidate selection.
Big Oil funding goes only to those that freely away give,
to Big Oil the right to drill, spill and kill massive.
Big oil is a serial world killer, as we lie waiting passive.

Thats is why when you watch your advertisement paid Tee Vees,
You most often see politicians fully funded by big oil fees.
As oil executives continue to get away with murder,
And business as usual will never get any wiser,
The destruction of earth will continue on much further.

We drive 250 million autos each day in the USA spewing carbon molecules of mass destruction as local distributors are fed by 36,000 miles of cross country pipelines and thousands of fuel trucks on the highways. How can we possibly think that the oil industry is going to stop drilling for oil. We are demanding it with our daily lifestyles day after day! If we cannot get a handle on our addiction, then we are choosing ecocide/suicide. It will now take a revolutionary/evolutionary break from our past habits to become serious cooperators in relocalized sufficient food and simple tool economies. Further business as usual is simply not practical, even as breaking our patterns will require tremendous commitment, discipline, and sharing. We either break our oil addiction or we choose non-existence.

You "Americans" don't give a damn about the environment.

If you did you would DO something about it.

Like start walking.

Like start riding your bikes.

Like start thinking about some other means OTHER than oil.

There is a special place in hell for you all...saturated in the oil you burn.

I saw an interview with someone that said this well could be stopped immediately simply by blowing it up with a lot of explosives. I have not heard another word about using this technique anywhere. He indicated that its been done before in deep water.

It seems logical that explosives would close the well hole.

This would end the use of this well completely.

"How Far Should We Let Big Oil Go?"

Nine feet is the drop on a standard gallows.

You know, like the one used by the US to execute their former Iraqi patsy Saddam Hussein...

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2007/facelift/a_saddam_hanging0103.jpg

CARBON REDUCTION--NO OPTIONS
The current Gulf of Mexico tragedy is only another event that underscores the crucial need to reduce our carbon footprint.

Through extensive lobbying and fabricated science, the energy cartels have impeded progress in carbon reduction, as well as safety regulations. Their alligations that such measures would cripple our economy has been their classic claim for decades.

In reality, carbon reduction can only improve our economy. There are no reasons why we cannot expeditiously employ our idle work force and assembly plants here to fabricate wind turbines, solar panels, etc--rather than outsourcing this work as is the current trend. Even if subsidies were required to keep the work here, their costs would be eclipsed by the resulting benefits in employment, our security, and our environment.

Our planet cannot sustain its billions of inhabitants undercurrent trends. As the nation most responsible for global warming, we have a mandated duty to reduce our wasteful contributions of these toxins, which can only increase the divide between nations most responsible for warming and those most harmed by it.

Robert Settgast
San Rafael
415-492-1747

A Borrower and a Lender Be

GOOD Magazine: The Neighborhoods Issue > Nikhil Swaminathan on April 12, 2010 at 7:00 am PDT

Could the threat of a peaking oil supply lead to a hyperlocal revolution? A group of Portlanders thinks so.
Normally, when you need compost for your garden, you drive to the nearest Home Depot and pick up a couple of bags. It seems straightforward enough, but for some back-to-basics Portlanders, that would be a foolish way to accomplish such an errand. Instead, they log onto an online social network called Bright Neighbor to locate someone in their neighborhood who might have some compost on offer. If everything works out, they will walk their wheelbarrow down the street and return with it piled high with fertilizer. At what cost? It could be free. Or it might cost a few tomatoes from their garden. Or a complimentary kayaking lesson.

Bright Neighbor began in early 2008 as a “virtual commune,” allowing Portland, Oregon, residents to connect with their neighbors to set up ride shares, learn about community events, and barter goods and services—anything from astrological readings to chicken feed to household items. Its mission was never quite so simple, however. According to Tod Sloan, a Bright Neighbor member and a faculty member in the Department of Counseling Psychology at Lewis & Clark College, the site is facilitating the teaching of “real skills that are still intact in much of the world that we’re having to relearn, such as gardening and sharing tools.”

But why would those of us in the developed world need the skills obviated by modern conveniences? In February, a group of British businessmen led by the Virgin Group CEO Sir Richard Branson sounded the alarm for peak oil—the point at which the world’s oil supply will begin dwindling, bringing about economic calamities like soaring energy and food prices. If we take seriously the forecasts that it will occur in 2015, then our reliance on those modern conveniences needs to be rethought.

More at: http://www.good.is/post/a-borrower-and-a-lender-be1/

The point is that Amerika didn't start making 40 mpg cars when Jimmy Carter was President.
And the Amerikan government still has not build mass transit in a big way. The Government of not just Amerika but most of the world have SUPPORTED BIG OIL.
The government and especially the people didn't really know then. Or you might say they didn't want to think much about it.
After all 'Amerika was the best God fearing kick ass country in the whole world. Even most of us Hippy types had a lot of Patriotism in us.
We stopped the war in Vietnam didn't we? (After killing about 3 million Vietnamese and maybe another 2 million Lao/Cambodia people)
Big Ships transporting lots of plastic stuff are a big part of the global warming problem.
We should have started 30 years ago: For sure 15 years ago.
So my point is that it is just NOW becoming completely OBVIOUS, that we must greatly reduce our use of Fossil fuels.
I drive a mini bus that I often use like a Truck. I have been trying to save enough money to buy a Wind generator and solar panels for about 5 years now.
And I am now more determined to find a way to do so.
I am lucky that we have a extra piece of land that I can sell soon.
BUT I ask you- Is not the real culprit here the Government for continuing to support goal powered electric plants?
And WHO is responsible for the WARS? Answer - WASHINGTON DC. ETC. ETC.

Into Volume 2 now: Objections of Non-Signers of the Constitution. Eye-popping reading.

It is dawning on me that ALL our problems were prophesied by the Anti-Federalists. Arguments were ignored, during the Constitutional Convention, that it was crazy to put so much power into a central government that could at any time just tell the people to phuck off.

Luther Martin Rep from Maryland:
"This government proposed, I apprehend, so far from removing will greatly encrease those complaints, since grasping in its all powerful hand the citizens of the respective states , it will be the imposition of the variety of taxes, imposts, stamps, excises, and other duties, squeeze from them the little money they may acquire, the hard earnings of their industry, as you would squeeze the juice from an orange, till not a drop more can be extracted, and then let loose upon them their private creditors, to whose mercy it consigns them, by whom their property is to be seized upon and sold in this scarcity of specie at a sheriff's sale, where nothing but ready cash can be received, for a tenth of its value, and themselves and their families to be consigned to indigence and distress, without their governments having a power to give them one moment's indulgence however necessary it might be, and however desirous to grant them aid. - Luther Martin, Ratification debate - Maryland 1788

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complete_Anti-Federalist

It's way past time to dig up the past, and find out how to unplug this Monster Federal Government and it's Monster Monopolies. Whether you know it or not, we are all being secretly bankrupted by a huge stealth War Tax and huge stealth Bank Tax greater than all the other taxes combined.

TJ

"A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defense against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended.
Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretense of defending, have enslaved the people." - James Madison, speech at the Constitutional Convention, June 29, 1787

"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people.

The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals, engendered by both. No nation
could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

- JAMES MADISON
"Political Observations"
April 20, 1795