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Low Estimate of Oil Spill's Size Could Save BP Millions in Court
WASHINGTON - BP's estimate that only 5,000 barrels of oil are leaking daily from a well in the Gulf of Mexico, which the Obama administration hasn't disputed, could save the company millions of dollars in damages when the financial impact of the spill is resolved in court, legal experts say.
Greenpeace activists hoist a flag after climbing onto a balcony at BP headquarters in London May 20, 2010. (REUTERS/Stefan Wermuth)
A month after a surge of gas from the undersea
well engulfed the Deepwater Horizon offshore drilling rig in flames and
triggered the massive leak that now threatens sea life, fisheries and
tourist centers in five Gulf coast states, neither BP nor the federal
government has tried to measure at the source the amount of crude
pouring into the water.
BP and the Obama administration have said they don't want to take the measurements for fear of interfering with efforts to stop the leaks.
That decision, however, runs counter to BP's own regional plan for dealing with offshore leaks. "In the event of a significant release of oil," the 583-page plan says on Page 2, "an accurate estimation of the spill's total volume . . . is essential in providing preliminary data to plan and initiate cleanup operations."
Legal experts said that not having a credible official estimate of the leak's size provides another benefit for BP: The amount of oil spilled is certain to be key evidence in the court battles that are likely to result from the disaster. The size of the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska, for example, was a significant factor that the jury considered when it assessed damages against Exxon.
"If they put off measuring, then it's going to be a battle of dueling experts after the fact trying to extrapolate how much spilled after it has all sunk or has been carried away," said Lloyd Benton Miller, one of the lead plaintiffs' lawyers in the Exxon Valdez spill litigation. "The ability to measure how much oil was released will be impossible."
"It's always a bottom-line issue," said Marilyn Heiman, a former Clinton administration Interior Department official who now heads the Arctic Program for the Pew Environment Group. "Any company wouldn't have an interest in having this kind of measurement if they can help it."
The size of the spill has become a high stakes political controversy that's put the Obama administration and the oil company on the defensive. In congressional testimony Wednesday, an engineering professor from Purdue University in West Lafayette, Ind., said that based on videos released Tuesday he estimated that the well was spewing at 95,000 barrels, or 4 million gallons, of oil a day into the gulf.
The Obama administration Thursday demanded that BP publicly release all information related to the disaster.
BP officials had pledged in congressional testimony to keep the public and government officials informed, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson said in a letter to BP chief executive officer Tony Hayward.
"Those efforts, to date, have fallen short in both their scope and effectiveness," they wrote.
That letter came after members of Congress made similar demands of BP, leading to the release Tuesday of the new videos. One showed oil still billowing from one underwater pipe, despite an insertion tube BP now says is capturing 5,000 barrels of crude a day _ its entire initial estimate of the spill. The other showed a previously unseen leak spewing clouds of crude from just above the well's dysfunctional blowout preventer.
The EPA on Thursday ordered BP to switch to a less toxic version of the chemical mix it's using to disperse the oil. The EPA also for the first time posted on its website BP's test data of the dispersant's use in deep water. Those orders came days after McClatchy reported doubts about the dispersant's safety and members of Congress made a similar demand.
Scientists and environmentalists praised the government for demanding that more information be made public.
"This is exactly the role the government needs to be playing - they need to be overseeing BP's actions to assure that health and natural resources are protected, as much as possible, and that information is available to the public," said Gina Solomon, a senior scientist with the Natural Resources Defense Council.
This video, released Tuesday, shows billowing clouds of oil despite the presence of the insertion tube, visible to the right of the broken pipe
John Curry, a BP spokesman, said he hadn't seen the letter from Napolitano and Jackson and couldn't comment specifically, but added: "We're just trying to provide the information people are asking for at the same time we are trying to position a lot more resources to stop the flow of oil."
Curry offered no new estimate of how much oil is flowing from the leaks, but acknowledged that capturing 5,000 barrels of oil a day in the insertion tube is evidence that the official 5,000-barrel per day estimate is low.
"We've said at best it's a highly imprecise estimate," Curry said.
Curry said he knew of no efforts by BP to use its robotic equipment on the sea floor to measure the flow, but said that the efforts were entirely focused on containing the spill.
BP agreed Thursday to allow the posting of a live feed of the video of the oil spill, which lawmakers said would help scientists arrive at independent estimates of the spill.
"I'm sitting here looking at it right now, and it ain't 5,000 barrels a day, I'll guarantee it," said Bob Cavnar, a Houston engineer and blogger who's been involved in oil and gas exploration and production.
"In Houston, there's about 125,000, 150,000 engineers," he said. "And all the engineers can calculate what the flow is."
The feed eventually was overwhelmed by the number of people trying to view it and was removed from congressional websites.
This video, released Tuesday, provided the first public view of a second leak near the well's dysfunctional blowout preventer.
Calling the disaster site a "crime scene," Larry Schweiger, the president of the National Wildlife Federation, accused BP of a cover-up.
"BP cannot be left in charge of assessing the damage or controlling the data from their spill," Schweiger said. "The public deserves sound science, not sound bites from BP's CEO."
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs denied that the government was trying to cover up the size of the spill.
"The best and brightest minds in all of this government, and in the scientific community and in the world of commerce are focused on this problem. Everything that can be done is being done," he said.
Sens. Bill Nelson of Florida and Barbara Boxer of California, both Democrats, called on the Justice Department to investigate BP's drilling permits to determine whether the company had misled the government by claiming it had the technology needed to handle a big spill.
Since the spill, BP has announced five different approaches to sealing the leak. Three of those have been at least partially used: a 78-ton containment dome that failed; a small "top hat" dome that was placed on the seafloor May 11 but hasn't been used, and the insertion tube now siphoning a fraction of the spill. Of the two others, the "junk shot," which would fire shredded tires and debris into the damaged blowout preventer, is rarely mentioned, and the "top kill," which would force mud into the blowout preventer, may be tried this weekend.
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration head Jane Lubchenco told reporters on Thursday that a team of government scientists was assembled this week, a month after the spill began, to try to come up with a better estimate of the leak's volume.
She said the 5,000-barrel estimate was based on visual observations on the surface. "As the spill increased in size and began to break up it was no longer possible to use that effort, which is why we have shifted to using multiple paths to try to get at better estimates," she said.
Scientists have the instruments and the knowledge needed to figure out the flow rate, and several have complained publicly that they were turned down when they offered to help, as McClatchy reported Tuesday.
"The decision was made that the first priority had to be to stop the flow," Lubchenco said. Robotic vehicles were being used for that purpose and there was limited space for more of them to operate there at the same time, she said.
(Margaret Talev and David Lightman contributed to this article.)
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Show AllHow well I remember when Nixon told us that Oil in Alaska would save the day for us. The oil has been going to Japan.
Where is all the BP oil going? Does any one know?
We must do something about this ignorant Naive Obomber.
His loyalty to Corporate America and the oil giants will decide the next elections, this cannot go on.
If you want to know where this started look no further than John D. Rockefeller and J. P. Morgan.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/militia-slaughters-strikers-at-ludlow-colorado
Apr 20, 1914 Militia slaughters strikers at Ludlow, Colorado. It was here that J.D.. Rockefeller found out that he Just could not get the government to kill workers at his behest anymore.
April 20, 1914. The Federal Reserve Act where Congress abdicated its responsibility to regulate banking and handed it over to the worse robber-barons and foreign banks such as the Rothschild's,in France, Dutch Bank in Germany and other foreign entities.
These are still the people who hold our lives and futures.
BP has known from day one just how much profit was escaping from that hole. That is all they care about. Profit.
They have another deep water well near by that is producing 320,000 Bls per day. About 4 of these could replace all import oil. This oil goes to Europe and China. Alaskan oil goes to Japan. We will never be self sufficient as we don't own any of the oil. We lease a tract of land and get a small royalty.
Need I remind you all oil minerals located on Federal Land belongs to "WE THE PEOPLE."
Thanks for the reminder and the info.
I was watching a geologist from Harvard (I think) who was called in to assess what went wrong. At the end of his statement he said matter-of-factly, "These are not bad people. They just do dumb things."
I just about gagged.
These are evil people, and their only purpose for being on this earth is to gorge on its resources and if others get hurt or killed in the process, they do not care one iota, unless of course the cameras are rolling or hearings are in session and then all we get are denial after denial until the evidence is irrefutable. Then the crocodile tears roll down their cheeks, the apologies flow like oil, yet not a dime in compensation ever materializes.
So, knowing this, a simple rule: never, BUT NEVER believe any statistics or figures that come out of their mouths when a crisis like this occurs. Those stats are guaranteed to be false. I marvel that experts outside BP were actually taking in like it was gospel these ridiculously low estimates of the number of gallons gushing out. Incredible! These guys are natural-born liars when it comes to preserving money in the face of disaster. And I'm no genius.
Heisenberg never said you cannot observe and change things at the same time!
Meanwhile, NMBill writes, quoting a government source:
"Although it might seem like the ocean is the border of the United States, the border is actually 200 miles out from the land. This 200-mile-wide band around the country is called the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).
In 1983, President Reagan claimed the area of the EEZ in the name of the United States. In 1994, all countries were granted an EEZ of 200 miles from their coastline according to the International Law of the Sea.
... The EEZ is part of the United States. The Federal government manages the land under the sea on behalf of the American people."
Oh my, let's see how many other countries intersect with our EEZ...
Umm, Cuba is 90 miles off our coast, and they have their own 200-mile EEZ, so BP just invaded Cuba using chemical warfare on the high seas.
Haiti? The Dominican Republic? Jamaica? Trinidad/Tobago? Where do these 200-mile EEZs intersect and what do they really mean in terms of liability?
Ninety miles out to sea.
As with Katrina, "A Confederacy of Dunces."
Or,
"Hey Boss, does I clip the red wire or the green wire?"
"Clip the black wire, you idiot."
Kaboom...
Follows the smell of Cheney/Halliburton global farting, another Pearl Harbor, this time more clever than even 9/11. This time it's slow-motion ecocide, or to quote T.S. Eliot:
"The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms
"...
"...This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper."
("The Hollow Men")
Disaster Capitalism at its most elegant, so far.
We should start thinking of humans as beached whales covered in the tar we have become. Try living for a few days without taking a shower and don't use deoderant and ask your spouse, if you still have one, to do the same, and then smell each other, and then ask each other, "Do you like what you smell?" Then think about the flora and fauna of the Gulf. "This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms."
People on the Left better recognize that we are seeing only the beginning of this disaster, and act accordingly, each according to his/her capacity before we have triage here.
"If we do not hang together, we will most certainly hang separately." You know who said that. I hope!
So, let's put this in a deeper perspective. So far, the evidence is that the explosion occurred virtually simultaneously with Halliburton's job of "cementing" the hydraulics involved in a really tricky construct, namely trying to SEAL the pipe.
(Didn't we lose a spaceship for want of a proper RUBBER O-RING!).
There seems to have been a methane bubble discharge under INCREASINGLY HIGHER PRESSURE AS THE BUBBLE ROSE UP from several thousand feet below see [sic] level, and thousands of feet below the Earth's crust.
Who gave BP the right to take such risks WITH THE CRUST OF THE EARTH? Who gave Halliburton the contract to "cement" the hole? How far back does this Contract go?
WHERE WAS THE SCIENCE? WHERE WERE THE GENERALISTS? Where was the Redundancy? So far, cain't find none [sic]. A failed battery on the stop-valve? "Sorry Dave, I can't do that!"
This is just going to get much worse, as it goes up half the Atlantic Coast.
OTOH, it may make a bunch of anti-government people realize that what we need is Empirical government, that retains some semblance of objectivity as it tries to address real human issues, and puts limits on the anarchy of unfettered Capitalism.
Title of Somebody's Next Book: "Sweet Light Crude"!!!
Meanwhile, I have to hand it to NPR on their breaking the 5,000 code. They have actively defended their position for the past week, and I bet they are right. And i bet they activated the academic community which is ALSO only beginning to see this disaster for what it is. And thanks McClatchy, for remaining INDEPENDENT.
A really great thread here.
It is too late for Prayer. It is time to Weep. And then to a call for action. (Whatever that may mean to you.)
We are witness to Ecocide. We all need to become "Little Oppenheimers" after his witness of Trinity in 1945. "I am become..." Insert your favorite god here.
How about, "Thou Art Not Merely Witness"? And at the same time, Obama dismisses his DNI, Dennis Blair (no relation to the bastard Brit of course!)...
It is when Jesus accuses, as with Socrates, that they are scheduled for a Death they foretold. (As did MLK: "...I may not get there with you...")
It is time to re-distance our government from the corporations, as the Republican Roosevelt understood a century ago.
Bust the Trusts. Upset the card tables in the Temple.
Reduce it all to Number Two pencils and Ledger Paper! ("Derivatives? Are you out of your goddam mind? Show me the gold")
Same with voting. Go Canada!
One, er, final note. Hemlock was an easier death than the Cross.
I know. I've done it. I came back!
Thanks to Naomi K for showing the bastards the way! Now how do you plan to stop them,
or is there something still called "shame" here. (Joe McCarthy)
And then there is Russia. Those damn Commies I was taught every day to hate. You know, those guys who defeated Hitler on the Eastern Front.
Search your historical semantic mind and the things English Teachers taught from Day One and you can only help yourself. Start with the "to be" Verb, and ask Chomksy if he "believes" in it! Reread Descartes.
Bill Clinton, on the stand: "It depends upon what the meaning of 'IS' is."
(I may be paraphrasing but the idea stands. Clinton had a Chomsky Moment! OTOH, since his surgeries, I doubt Clinton could explain what he meant. General anesthesia makes people stupid. I know. I grow more stupid by the day. Thank god for Wisdom!)
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Obviously a massive cover up is taking place...even msm is starting to hint at it. And Obama is right in the middle.
I know he's supposed to be sooooo smart, but I really question his intelligence now. To act with BP in this cover up is very dumb...he's not even trying to make it look like he knows whats happening. He has done nothing...then lied about key elements of this disaster. He has to know the political moves he is making could not only undo any chance at a second term...but he could go down in history as the president that sipped champagne as the gulf died. Very Very bad politics.....this is getting close to bush's lies to go to war. As chris mathews said...he's starting to scare me
A few days before Obama's Katrina, Obama was dittoing Palin by saying "drill, baby drill". Now he has changed his tune and is asking congress for another 9 billion in loan guarantees to build a nuclear power plant in Georgia. It's called socialism for the big guys and capitalism for the little guys.
It would be a lot wiser to invest the 9B in solar energy, but wisdom seems to be in short supply. What is behind the facade that we call a government?
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If our government foregoes the responsibility to put BP out of business ... at least in the U.S. ... we have to make our government fulfill their own contract with 'we the people'. Don't elected officials take an 'oath of office'? Don't government employees have a 'contract' to serve the country?
We have to stop feeding the beast ... until it stops behaving like a beast!
Why do we continue to reward government and corporate crime?
Why do we continue to reward government and corporate collusion?
We need TERM LIMITS NOW!
We need CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM NOW!
We need to STOP THE REVOLVING DOOR IN WASHINGTON!
We need to OUTLAW PROFESSIONAL LOBBYISTS! Any and all lobbying of any government official ... elected, appointed, staff, employee ... if it occurs, must be done publicly with full documentation of it.
We need MEDIA THAT IS COMMITTED TO TRUTH, FACTS, TRANSPARENCY and ACCOUNTABILITY IN and ABOUT GOVERNMENT and CORPORATE BEHAVIOUR!
... etc ...
BOYCOTT! ORGANIZE!!
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NOW!
ECONOMIC JUSTICE NOW!
SOCIAL JUSTICE NOW!
PEACE NOW!
I don't think many citizen believe that voting does reform make. With few exceptions, voting in the new guy or girl only adds a new whore into the Congressional mix.
I wish I knew of a fool proof way to get campaign finance reform. But, once all private money is out of the election system, we can get a much better government, methinks.
Obama is a shill of the ruling elite.
DCH is right. Elect all the new people you want. They're just whore-wannabes in training. The answer lies in finance reform. The recent Supreme Court decision needs to be reversed. Then personhood needs to be taken away from corporations. Once that is accomplished a non-person would not be able to contribute. No single person or entity should be able to donate more than $100 to their whore-of-choice, anyway. Period.
Kingpaddy 10:30
Kingpaddy says this well is over 20,000', and one other is 35,000'.
I suspect this is the Mantle's abiogenic oil, if not please explain what specific geological events placed biogenic oil at 35,000'.
Also be reminded we can walk into any auto supply and buy synthetic oil.
This tapping may effect earthquakes and earths rotation.
I don't get it. How could BP even attempt to solve the engineering problem without knowing the amount of oil/gas being released? Clearly the effort required must be directly related to the size of the problem.
As an analogy, consider a leak in the Hoover Dam; a pinhole leak would require a very different engineering solution to that of a significant breach in the dam wall.
A cover-up? Not a premeditated cover-up, just another cover-up in the line of duty.
You see; covering up is a way of life for these folks!
This is the toughest cover-up yet, and with satellites and the Internet it's back in their face in minutes.
Do we have anybody new on board, convinced that ALL we get are lies? GOOD
The investors in BP need to pay the bill. They need to stand up and pay off. Of course they will hide and bribe and pay off any one and any thing not to have to pay the piper. Big business and the investor class are what is wrong with this country. Its not beg government its big business and wall street. They will hide behind corporate doors and laugh like hell while we the tax payers pay up again. Enough.
"For fear of interfering with efforts to stop the leaks" Daily we see videos of massive amounts of oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico. No effective methods have been instituted which appear to have decreased this serious contamination of the environment. Of course. BP doesn't want any figures regarding the quantitative magnitude of this distaster to be obtained or released. It also comes as no surprise that the Obama administration is not interested in this issue. The entire problem once again demonstrates that what the corporations want the government willing provides. The activities of the Department of Interior in actively placing the uncontrolled greed of the oil companies in front of human safety and protection of the environment are no longer surprising. Just look at the dreadful history of safety in coal mines to see another blatant example of who the government really works for. Recently I read that the laboratory which is going to analyze samples of the oil from this accident is, in part, controlled by BP. Can anyone in their right mind believe that a report issued by this laboratory can be accepted at face value? The asses in Congress are going to bray about this for their political gain but I will venture to predict that the oil companies will continue to write the rules and make certain that minimum compensation will ever be paid to the many victims of their ruthless and reckless behavior. Nothing is going to change until corporations are forced to recognize that they are not barons in castles on high hills and that they must take full responsibilities for their actions like the rest of us are required to do. As far as danger to America and the world is concerned, it is my opinion that the multinational corporations are at the top of the list.
If this is "abiotic" oil as some are now suggesting, under the kind of uncontrollable pressure that others are suggesting, where is the "Environmental Impact Statement"?
"relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like..." oil. "Mosquito Penetrates High-Pressure Blood Balloon, Human Syringe Fails"
Hey, Cokeheads, maybe if we jam a bunch of debris and golf balls down there...
Who are these people that ran with that story for nearly a week? (And it was still out there yesterday! Nobody has mentioned that if you want the golf balls to work as planned, you have to slit their hard plastic covers that way Afghans slit the poppy. It is far easier to slit the poppy.)
How about a kamikazi nuclear sub designed to "plug the goddam hole"?
It wasn't just "deregulation" we witnessed over these many years, it was the debauching of the regulators while keeping them on the payroll as a revolving door through which we taxpayers paid for their apprenticeships to the oligarchy.
There has always been a reason for regulation. Corruption kills. These people forgot their mission. And I am being generous.
If BP can't cap this undersea gusher later today as planned (and they better keep their cameras on in Real Time), then this beats Chernobyl as a human induced environmental catastrophic EVENT. After all, their proposed lateral well alternative, supposedly to be activated by August, could also fail.
The purpose of Capitalism is to create Scarcity. (But of course not for the top X/Y axis per cent...)
Are we about to kiss a third of the U.S. Coastal Ecosystem goodbye? And that's for starters... There's also the entire Gulf! Thence whole economies...
This is a failure of government and the capacity of humans to comprehend our existence. This puncture of Mother earth was Hubris of the first order.
These are the same people who have no objection to human torture. After all, they are in charge.
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