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House Liberals Shift Climate Change Tactics, Will Not Draw 'Lines in the Sand'
Liberal House Democrats are shifting their political tactics on climate change after failing to secure a public option in the new healthcare reform law.
The move comes in the wake of liberals having to walk back threats that they would vote against a healthcare bill without a government-run program.
"Drawing the line in the sand too quickly was part of the lesson we learned on healthcare," the co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), told The Hill.
Grijalva voiced strong concerns about the direction of the climate and energy bill, which has moved toward the center as Democrats try to build a bipartisan consensus that can win 60 Senate votes. Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.), Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) are leading the effort in the upper chamber to pass a comprehensive bill.
A cap-and-trade program, which was included in the House bill that passed last year, is likely to be jettisoned, and President Barack Obama disappointed liberals last week by announcing his support for expanding offshore oil drilling. The president's decision was seen as a move to garner the support of conservative Democrats and Republicans who would be open to voting for a comprehensive climate and energy measure.
"It's moving away from what was already a series of compromises in the House," Grijalva said of the Senate legislation.
A group of 45 House Democrats, all members of the Sustainable Energy and Environment Coalition (SEEC), sent a letter late last month to congressional leaders, urging them to retain strong caps on carbon emissions. But the missive notably did not include any threat to oppose a stripped-down bill.
The letter stated only that the coalition "feels that it is of the highest priority that any comprehensive energy legislation includes reductions in greenhouse gas emissions necessary to spur investment in American clean energy technologies, and is consistent with reduction targets in the House-passed legislation."
That stands in contrast to the language used last August in the healthcare debate, when 60 House Democrats signed a letter stating plainly that they could not vote for a bill that lacked a public option. Eight months later, every House liberal backed the final legislation even though the public option had been discarded.
The energy debate will be very different.
The co-chairman of SEEC, Rep. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.), said in a statement that the coalition members were "very encouraged by the bipartisan work to get an energy bill in the Senate."
"With this letter," Inslee said, "SEEC is stating that it is essential that a comprehensive energy bill includes greenhouse gas emissions targets and durable mechanisms to ensure those targets are achieved."
Other House lawmakers have also refrained from specific threats on climate change legislation, in a nod to the political reality of the Senate confirmed by the healthcare debate.
"We learned that the Senate does not always - in fact doesn't ever - take the work that the House has done," said Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.), a vice chairman of SEEC.
Holt added that while it was essential to put a price on carbon and invest heavily in new energy research, "you have to be willing to compromise."
The House bill was crafted by the chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), and the chairman of the Select Committee for Energy Independence and Global Warming, Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.).
Markey released an approving statement after Obama's offshore drilling announcement, saying the decision "demonstrates his commitment to a comprehensive view of our energy policy." Asked to comment on the direction of the Senate bill, a Markey spokesman, Eben Burnham-Snyder, said only that the chairman wanted the Senate to pass legislation "that can be merged with Waxman-Markey so the Congress can send a bill to the president this year."
Environmental advocacy groups like the Sierra Club and the Natural Resources Defense Council have kept up the push for a far-reaching climate bill that includes a cap on carbon emissions and strong reduction targets. The Sierra Club's executive director, Mike Brune, told The Hill last month that the organization would actively oppose a bill that provided too many concessions to big industry groups.
The environmental groups have also taken pains to point out the political differences between healthcare and energy policy, where the geographical cleavages can be as important as the ideological differences. "Climate has always been a bipartisan issue," Sierra spokesman Josh Dorner said.
The willingness of liberal Democrats to fight for a strong climate bill could set up a clash with the party's base, which was already disheartened by the loss of the public option battle and the perception that liberals were outgunned by the conservative Blue Dogs.
"Progressives drawing a line in the sand for the public option was not the problem. Being weak and not sticking by their line in the sand was the problem," said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. "Their credibility will be less than the Blue Dogs' in every future policy battle until progressives draw a line in the sand and refuse to cave. If the climate bill is co-opted by oil companies, coal companies and other polluters, that may be a good place to start."
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Show AllI encourage them to stick to the line in the sand so that no bill is passed.
The advancement in tech has allowed everyone to understand that the co2 scare of a few years ago has very little credibility.
Your comment is barely literate. What advancement in "tech" has "allowed" anyone to understand what?
Two things in fact:
1. The hotspot predicted by the models is not there.
2. The sratosphere is warming, and if co2 was a climate driver it should be cooling.
Those two things are large large items of proof. There is obviously something else driving temps and we need to be looking for that with wide open eyes.
Reply to your "facts":
1. What "hotspot?" What the hell are you talking about?
2. The stratosphere is not warming, it is cooling, exactly as predicted.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/the-sky-is-falling/
and many, many other sources.
From what seventh-level of arrogance do you corporate-shill denialists conjure up such baldfaced lies? Or are you just an idiot?
Gibberish.
Joe
Yeah! That CO2 "scare" is like when they told us cigarettes cased cancer, that chloroflurocarbons were destroying the ozone layer, that lead depressed kids' intelligences. The hell with that wacky "science" stuff. What do thousands of unacquainted atmospheric scientists know? I'd trust a bunch of carbon-funded think tanks any day! Why would they lie to us? I mean, again. And again.
Excuse me.
Excuse me please.
AIR MAP New England
http://airmap.unh.edu/data/data.html?site=AIRMAPPAC
http://airmap.unh.edu/data/data.html?site=AIRMAPTF2
Readings are taken every 15 minutes around the clock, 365 days a year. I have been watching CO2 readings in particular in this venue since 2002. In our region they are pretty much over 400 ppm most of the time now.
Wow. Even cap and trade is discarded as too "radial"? Of course, a broad-based carbon tax on all fuels completely beyond the pale - the "single payer" of climate legislation.
Here we go again...
Well, there's progress for you! No more promises to be broken by weak-willed "progressives" on climate legislation the way they did on HCR. They're just capitulating right from the start! This time they've learned not to disappoint the base in the end... they just start off with a complete surrender! By the way, was there a comparable statement of "flexible bipartisanship" from the whores representing the Carbon Industry? NOOO?! Well, knock me over with a feather.
C02ppm is very much a real threath that i have been
following since the early eighties, almost twenty years
before Gore's distorted version of the Climate Collapse.
While it is never to late to do the things we should have
been doing forty years ago, man can not bring the C02ppm
down, not even if we would stop all emmisions right this
minute.
Democratic Party Motto: "Lower your expectations"
Just replace the head of the donkey with the head of a chicken. Everything else stays.
Prog dogs, all of them!
to analyze too much is to fall into the trap...
no climate help will come from this body...
more like requirements for citizens to purchase no less than a base amount of energy from private providers, at rates the providers set...and penalties for citizens who attempt to reduce their usage...
lines in the sand? try rainbows in the sand: oil slicks on the beaches...that's where this is going...
"Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) are leading the effort in the upper chamber to pass a comprehensive bill."
Great! The future of our planet is in the hands of Joe Lie-bearing-man.
I'm beginning to wonder if this odious pair, and especially Graham, are executives in a "real" Shadow Government that parallels the official government maintained for public consumption.
Graham in particular seems to be the new Cheney; he is ubiquitous, and Team Obama seems to take its lead from him in all major departments.
If he's not directly calling the shots, he's certainly being accorded the greatest deference and respect.
"Seinfeld" fans will remember an episode in which Kramer, an aspiring professional golfer, latched on to "Stan the Caddy".
Without boring or annoying non-fans with a full recap of the episode, Kramer regards Stan the Caddy as a guru; he turns to him for advice on every question, down to whether he ought to wear a sweater or jacket on the links.
Throughout the episode, Kramer constantly defers to Stan the Caddy and unhesitatingly follows Stan's advice. (Ultimately, Kramer pays the price.)
Graham is Obama's "Stan the Caddy", perhaps in partnership with a Kitchen Cabinet including Lieberman and Ratboy Rahm Emanuel.
Whether it's perpetuating the Bush-pioneered post-Constitutional, post-civil liberties authoritarian government and furthering the draconian state security agenda, passing the health insurance corporation bailout, or offshore drilling, Graham always seems to be on the sidelines nodding approvingly.
Or even out front, telling everybody how it's gonna be.
And here he is again!
I can easily picture Obama as Kramer, turning to Graham and asking how HE would play it. And when Graham signals "kill the public option" or "drill baby drill", Obama snaps his fingers in delight and says, "Hey, now-- THAT makes sense!"
A bill on climate change coming from Congress will do everything to protect poluter industries and very little of substance to reverse the direction of greenhouse gasemission and protect the environment. Not with 60 votes needed in the Senate.
Very foresightful.
Rising sea levels would just wash away any lines in the sand, anyways!
"House liberal"? Is that anything like "housecat"?
No. Cats actually have a strong sense of independence, and are much more entertaining.
""Drawing the line in the sand too quickly was part of the lesson we learned on healthcare," the co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), told The Hill."
Yeah, that's the lesson.
Unfucking believable.
If you're even remotely still a liberal or progressive at this point--never mind Democrat--then... you can go pound sand.
They are building their house in the sand. To paraphrase...
"everyone who hears these words ... and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
Joe
This isn't even caving. We need a new phrase -- "pre-caving" maybe.
Just as with the health care "debate", they aren't even caving in on a decent alternative. Cap and trade is totally inadequate, just as the "public option" was. We need a carbon tax. We need single payer. We need decent people in Congress who've got some guts.
As someone who grew up in the 60s, when America still had promise, it's so sad to see it degenerate into a state of total self-deception.
We can no longer afford to make stupid decisions, but we're making them again and again, whether it's spending a fortune of fighting wars 10,000 miles away whose primary result is to gain us enemies, to economic policies whose primary purpose is to prop up an unsustainable system, to perpetuating a dysfunctional and barbaric health care "system", to pretending that we have unlimited amounts of cheap and clean energy.
Welcome to Fantasyland.
Pre-emptive caving? To be used only when considering a peaceful program or a program to help people.
Joe
NO CARBON TAX. We need a btu tax. Carbon does not include nuclear. And why in the world are we subsidizing oil, gas and nuclear? That should be the first order of business.
A "btu" (archaic unit - everyone uses Kcal or just Joule) would be a tax on all energy output. If you did that all energy sources would be taxed.
Nuclear is as carbon free as wind is. In these dire times, It needs to be on the table.
As you know, nuclear can be very hazardous and always leads to long term waste disposal problems. I would not pre-capitulate on nuclear, since it takes emphasis away from developing truly clean energy. We must push for solar and wind. Let others pre-capitulate, as we know they surely will since the nuclear energy industry has more money than the newborn clean energy industry in the US. If we, who care about the people, the country and the ecosystem, do not emphasize the need to develop and deploy truly clean technologies, then we are leaving the non-carbon field wide open to the nuclear power companies.
Joe
There is less spine in congress than a tank of invertebrates in a zoology lab !
(sigh)
This is the reason my many liberal democrats (me included) are quitting the party and becoming (democratic) independents in droves. Especially young dems (many who backed Obama for pres). Many just don't see this as their party anymore, and since they cant just go repug or want to join a 3rd part this is an new option for them.
Thus because of this I fear the upcoming 2010 elections may be one of the lowest attended as many of these indie's will probably just sit out the 2010 election while many of the rabid repugs (aka tea baggers) wont. I'll leave it up to those reading this to figure out the result of that is.
And once again the dems show that they can snatch defeat from victory jaws.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is their job.
Why is the "mainstream" media so determined to ignore the existing bi-partisan climate bill: the CLEAR Act. CLEAR uses cap-and-dividend, NOT cap-and-trade. IOW, it protects regular folks from price gouging and makes the polluters pay.
It ain't perfect, but it is the best yet, and *well* worth supporting! Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Susan Collins (R-ME) are not exactly light-weights, either.
http://supportclearact.com/
YES.
Cantwell and Collins is the best we have at this point. Fee-and-Dividend. James Hansen is advocating for this. Get informed and see what you think, everyone.
Truly, we need to put the brakes on carbon dioxide waste loading of our atmosphere as soon as possible.
Also, watch Jay Inslee. He is going to be a strong voice for the good.
A line in the sand would end up under water anyway as the icebergs melt.
There are not enough liberals there to do anything. The rest are all corporate whores. Time to develop new strategies.
There were enough liberals there to hold the health insurance bill hostage, but they caved, like they're caving on everything else. The truth is, there aren't any liberals in the Democratic party. They're all Obama Lemmings now.
Vote third party.
This is exactly what we should expect from this rotten party: political theater, corruption and lies. Democrats are a farce and so are liberals. The Democratic Party is made of dozens and dozens of liberals, which are useless, deceivers, and should never be mistaken with leftists. Vote Green or any third party, never for a Democrat, ever again.
It's news like this which makes me wonder what the Democrats planned to do anyway in the first place. First they make lofty promises with no guarantee and then they fold just when we least expect it. I don't know what confidence the Democrats have in anything they say they want to do. Maybe they have a different kind of confidence that they don't want to tell us. If a big oil company can bribe a politician with more than enough money to make the politician ignore us, then we're nothing to them. I am tired of trusting politicians and I suggest that none of them be trusted until any of them do anything in the people's favor and even then we must still keep our trust limited lest they take us for granted again. In the meantime, articles like this signal that the Democratic Party can't learn to make the best use of its own majority to do the right things.
Presenting a pure bill that gets defeated does little good.
Presenting a watered-down bill that passes and does little good, also does little good.
Therefore we need some other possibilities for action, which we do not at this moment have.
So we should be brainstorming rather than bitching about the Democrats.
In terms of scaring people with lies and nonsense and character assassination, the right at this time has a great advantage. We can try to scare back (certainly they are scary and the results of their policies are scary), and direct mail solicitations attempt to raise money by doing this. The left used to have a good set of myths it used to scare people, but they dont work any more; use them now and people will not listen to anything you say.
A population that responds to evidence and reason and is turned off by scare tactics, is what we need to get good legislation and good legislators. We cant turn people off to scare tactics by using scare tactics.
What should we do? For starters, we can stop doing things that we have no reason to think will start working, just because they are the only things we can think of to do.
July, 1979, four scientist submitted a report to the President's Council on Environmental Quality entitled
THE CARBON DIOXIDE PROBLEM: IMPLICATIONS FOR POLICY IN THE
MANAGEMENT OF ENERGY AND OTHER RESOURCES.
"The C02 problem is one of the most important contemporary
environmental problems, is a direct product of industrialization, threatens the stability of climates
worldwide and therefore the stability of all nations, and can
be controlled. Steps toward control are necessary now.
The potential disruptions are sufficiently great to warrant the incorporation of the C02 problem into all considerations of policy in the development of energy."
That was 1979, it is now 2010 and way to late to control
the C02, we never could have brought it down, just controlled the rise.........................tooo late now!!!
4/21/80 Hazel Henderson , author
The Politics of the Solar Age (1981)
gave this warning to the Environmental Protection Agency
"....If he is correct, this means we can expect a continuous
rate of increase of C02 build-up, and that climatologists
were in error in advising the Administration that we had
50 years to complete the solar/renewable resource transition,
before weather and climate changes would interfere with crops
ect........."
Gore and Hanson's industry models (NOAA has controled all
climate study models since the seventies), were to keep
the 50 transition for industry.
Economics drives a capitalistic system, not reason or morality. The only way to reduce carbon release is to make it so expensive as to be impractical. Everyone would have to be prepared to reduce all energy consumption and that includes vehicular transportation, and a reduction of needless consumer goods. I'm doing it. Will you?
If the forests were allowed to grow back unabated and the oceans returned to a healthful condition, then Nature would return to a balanced state, time frame unknown. These are huge ifs, more like fantasy, in an advanced capitalistic fascist controlled world.
Expect nothing from the legislators.
I'd love to have the House liberals on the opposite side of the negotiating table from me.
It reminds me of how submissive dogs roll over and expose their soft underbellies to show they're not threatening. At least they'll spare us the grandstanding before they capitulate.
Johann Hari's expose' (in the Nation last month, and interviewed on DemocracyNow!) of corporatized Big Greens featured both Natural Resources Defense Council and Sierra Club as sell-outs getting paid to fall short of what it will take to save the planet from irreversible climate change.
So why are they featured here as worthy of comment on climate change?
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100322/hari
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/9/the_real_climategate_conservation_groups_align
Here's a new word: precapitulate.
Joe