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Biden: Cheney 'Trying to Rewrite History'
Vice President Joe Biden hurtled a stinging critique at former Vice President Dick Cheney, rejecting his predecessor's assertions that the Obama administration is soft on terrorism.
Vice President Joe Biden rejected his predecessor's assertions that the Obama administration is soft on terrorism. (Photo: AP photo composite by POLITICO)
In an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press," Biden said Cheney "either
is misinformed or he is misinforming" and accused him of "trying to
rewrite history."
"Let me choose my words carefully here," Biden said in an interview taped Saturday night from Vancouver. "Dick Cheney's a fine fellow. He's entitled to his own opinion. He's not entitled to rewrite history. He's not entitled to his own facts."
Addressing Cheney's criticism of the Obama administration's decision to offer alleged Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Muhammad a civilian trail and to read the Christmas Day Bomber his Miranda rights, Biden argued that the Bush administration also tried accused terrorists in civilian court and Mirandized the shoe bomber.
Biden specifically challenged Cheney's criticism that Obama is not treating the fight against terrorism as a war.
"I don't think the Vice - the former Vice President Dick Cheney listens," Biden said. "The President of the United States said in the State of the Union, ‘We're at war with al Qaeda.' He stated this - and by the way, we're pursuing that war with a vigor like it's never been seen before."
Biden said while the Bush administration "did their best," the Obama administration is waging a stronger fight against al Qaeda than its predecessor.
"There has never been as much emphasis and resources brought against Al Qaeda. The success rate exceeds anything that occurred in the last administration," Biden said. "It's simply not true that the President of the United States is not prosecuting the war against Al Qaeda with a vigor that's never been seen before. It's real. It's deep. It's successful."
Biden said specifically that the Obama administration's efforts have killed 12 of al Qaeda's top 20 leaders and 100 of their associates.
"They are in fact not able to do anything remotely like they were in the past," Biden said of al Qaeda. "They are on the run. I don't know where Dick Cheney has been. Look, it's one thing, again, to criticize. It's another thing to sort of rewrite history. What is he talking about?"
Cheney, who as vice president was a chief architect of the Bush administration's policies for fighting terrorism and handling accused terrorists, has been one of the White House's most high-profile critics since Obama took office. In an unusual move for a former vice president, he has repeatedly issued harsh assessments of the administration's handling of national security and foreign policy issues over the past year.
Biden called Cheney "a fine fellow" twice and declined to speculate on Cheney's motive. But he did not hold back in his assessment of the former vice president.
"All I know is he's factually, substantively wrong on the major criticisms he is asserting," Biden said. "He either is misinformed or he is misinforming."
Biden's comments were made public an hour before Cheney is scheduled to appear live on ABC's "This Week," where he's expected to argue that that the stakes are too high for the Obama administration to reverse course on policies that kept the country safe after 9/11.
Biden is set to be back on the Sunday morning airwaves live at 10:30 a.m. on CBS's "Face the Nation" to respond to Cheney.
In his "Meet the Press" interview Biden said President Obama will ultimately decide where to hold the trial of Mohammad, who is now unlikely to be tried in civilian court in New York as the administration had originally ordered. Biden also did not rule out a military commission.
"I am not ruling anything out," he said. "A military tribunal is available. It is the less preferable way to go. But one way or another, [Mohammad] will be held accountable."
Questioned about whether the administration has already decided that Mohammad would continue to be detained if he is acquitted, Biden would not confirm or deny that but said there is "no doubt that he would not be acquitted."
"I assure you, I assure you, acquitted or not, he will not be walking the streets of the United States of America," Biden said. "And he will not be acquitted."
Biden's interview leaned heavily on foreign policy. And while he clarified his remark earlier this week that success in Iraq would be one of President Obama's great achievements, which drew some criticism because the Iraq plan was put in place under the Bush administration - "What I meant by that is I think he has taken office and managed the situation incredibly well in Iraq." - when asked if he believes the war there was worth it he said, "No."
"I don't think the war was worth it in the sense that we paid a horrible price, not only in loss of life, the way the war was mishandled from the outset," Biden said. "But we took our eye off the ball, putting us in a much different and more dangerous position in Afghanistan. We lost support around the world. It's taken a lot of hard work to get it back. But we were handed - we were dealt a hand, and I think we're handling it incredibly well. ... I think we're handling it very well, the Iraqis are handling it well. And we built on the positive things that the Bush administration had initiated. And we have jettisoned those things that were negative."
On Iran, Biden said he believes China, the lone holdout, will eventually agree to sanctions, and he disputed President Ahmadinajad's claim that the country is a nuclear power.
"It is not a nuclear power," Biden said. "And I believe we'll get the support of China to continue to impose sanctions on Iran to isolate them, to make it clear that in fact they cannot move forward. The progress that Iran has made on the nuclear front is greatly exaggerated in my view. If you take a look at what's happened-- anyway, I think we've made significant progress."
On domestic issues, Biden declined to confirm reports that he advised President Obama last January not to pursue health care reform because of the economic crisis. Instead he reiterated Obama's commitment to getting health care legislation.
"Given what's happened, given the trouble that health care reform is now in, do you think that that advice should have been followed?" "Meet the Press" host David Gregory asked.
"Well, first of all, I'm not acknowledging what advice I gave," Biden said. "The advice I gave to the president is private, that's why he keeps asking for it, and as long as it stays private. I think the president made the right judgment in deciding that in order to bend the cost curve and prevent people from being victimized by health insurance costs that we had to move and we had to move aggressively."
Biden said Obama has three goals in legislation that brings down the cost of premiums, gets Medicare and Medicaid under control and reforms insurance company practices, such as denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.
"[W]e think it's absolutely essential for the economic health of this country that we move forward on health care," Biden said.
The vice president also predicted that come the November elections, which will be a referendum on Obama, the climate for Democrats will be much more favorable than it is right now.
"[B]y the time we get around to November, in addition to bringing home 90,000 American troops out of Iraq, the story of this administration is going to be more clearly told, and we're gonna do just fine," Biden said.



46 Comments so far
Show AllHello! Anybody listening to us readers?
No.
Hello! No! Duh. Welcome to the wonderful world of the peasant-ry.
- ‘We're at war with al Qaeda.' -
Hello! Are any readers reading?
There is no 'Afghanistan War'.
There is no 'Pakistan War'.
There is only the DAFT war against future terrorists.
Public Law 107-40. You want real change? Change this law.
End the DAFT war before it ends us.
Every country deals with future terrorism but only America declared war against it.
That's DAFT.
Of course Cheany needs to rewrite history, if not history will see him as the war criminal he is.
Words that Biden did not use:
"This fine fellow Cheney failed us on 9/11 and America was attacked. Why does anyone listen to him about preventing terrorism? He doesn't know how to do it."
Locust
Well said as the words of both Biden and Cheney ring quite hollow.
Well, he engineered it.
But, we're not going to hear that on TV.
Other words that were not used in this article:
Cheney: "The Democrats are not Nazi-ish enough."
Biden: "We are going to out-Nazi the Nazis themselves. He doesn't know what he's talking about."
Gee isn't this "just great'? Now we have Joe Biden defending his president by saying he will carry out W's failed policies as if it were W's third term. Hey, we voted for the Barakus and got W's third term.
AD
That Biden would even pay lip service to such a traitor tells a lot. 'A fine fellow', my ass, what a chump Biden truly is. Cheney should be in the stockades down in the town square so we can p#ss in his face, and Biden needs an education in diplomacy, and maybe telling the truth. The war on terror is a war on the poor and our intelligence.
lorenzolarue, you forget, Biden is a product of the U.S. Senate, if Adolph Hitler or Joseph Stalin had been a member of the government as Cheney was, he would still refer to them as fine fellows and/or his good freinds from across the isle. One of the many short comings of the Senate and our Senators. They are to busy being civil to everyone that they forget what they are suppose to be doing.
Exactly!
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
Exactly, this was Sunday morning entertainment between two establishment hawks.
Nicely said, reminds one very much of Mr. Chomsky.
Very well said.
I was just fuming. You put my thoughts to words.
They are both full of shit!Bush and Obama are joined at the heart and the only difference is the words.Tony
Hey VP Biden!
You are so gung-ho about the truth.
So what did you think of the nano-thermite report and it's impact on the WTC collapse?
Cat got YOUR tongue?
We Are Change
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
Gary
“Society is one vast conspiracy for carving one into the kind of statue it likes, and then placing it in the most convenient niche it has”
-- Randolph Bourne
"Vice President Joe Biden hurtled a stinging critique at former Vice President Dick Cheney, rejecting his predecessor's assertions that the Obama administration is soft on terrorism."
You doofus - you fell right into his trap! Of course, so has your whole party - the Doofus Party!
there is a rope in all this, you know, hidden away at nuremberg, the one hermann goering was supposed to swing on before he cheated the hangman by biting into that vial of poison a sympathetic guard slipped him. i hear the rope's got cheney's name on it. he's committed more war crimes than many who met their end after that tribunal's verdict. who will extraordinarily render him to germany? irony is, obama, cheney's seventh cousin, would probably committ world war three to get him safely back to the states.
Are you saying that the Demoks/Repuks consider their whole as greater than the sum of their evil parts?
"And we have jettisoned those things that were negative."
like rendition, drones, indefinite detention, eavesdropping, etc.
"Biden: Cheney 'Trying to Rewrite History'"
That is a discussion with such a horribly messed up set of premises, that just approaching the stinking stew is nauseating.
"Biden called Cheney "a fine fellow" twice". - Cheney "a fine fellow"? When did that happen?
The VP announcing of Mohammad that "he will not be acquitted."? - How does that make a trial fair?
VP Biden boasting of having "killed 12 of al Qaeda's top 20 leaders and 100 of their associates". - without trial or any chance of defence? - For that admittance alone Biden should go directly to jail, not passing the World Court in Haag until much later.
And this is just for starters.
*Disgusted noises*
The Obama Administration will never succeed in winning its arguments with the criminal Bush Administration until it backs up its argument with actions..specifically by pressing charges against Bush, Cheney et al for War Crimes and Crimes
Against Humanity...torture, assasination, civil rights infringments, the works
Grow some balls Oblahblahblahma
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Biden wants you to know that the Demoks enjoy war too. But they also plan to bring home the troops. So you may feel free to support them regardless of your view. Don't think about third parties. They're too small to succeed, and the Demoks are too big to fail.
Dick Cheney is a civilian, an alleged war criminal and alleged traitor to his country.
Unless he's responding to a Judge, anything he says is irrelevant.
Ignore him and he will go away.
From the Politico.com article:
"Biden said specifically that the Obama administration's efforts have killed 12 of al Qaeda's top 20 leaders and 100 of their associates."
For "associates," substitute innocent women and children, AKA "collateral damage."
It's so good to know that both these monsters came from humble beginnings. You know, sort of like Abe Lincoln.
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Cheney/Biden the big battle about NOTHING. As Frank stated earlier,Cheney (5 deferment Cheney) is a war criminal, traitor to the country (humanity in general),and obviously a deeply disturbed human being. Biden is right behind him with, I have to admit, a much nicer smile. Now, let's make nice, go back to sleep people.
Cheney's the guy you scare kids with to keep them from playing with matches or talking to strangers. Better yet, tell em, he'll bring his buddy Biden.
That's entertainment!
The fact that I actually sort of liked Biden tells me how totally lousy a job Obama has been doing.
I'd like to know who is in Cheney's inner circle, who is part of his Cartel. I want to know so that when money is given to any person who is going to run for an office, I want to know so that we can trace where the money coming from in order to pay for a candidate’s campaign. I want to know how much money is coming from military and weapons and places like Haliburton, BP and Exxon, in order to fund a war and to continue to keep nurturing it.
Yes, and who's in Cheney's "Energy Task Force", officially the "National Energy Policy Development Group". Some transparency and confirmation here would be good.
These fine fellows have learned to talk. They just haven't learned to say anything.
This is political theater at its worst, I wouldn't spend a dime on the admission ticket.
I wonder if Cheney and Biden rehearse their lines on the phone before each performance. Is there still anyone on earth falling for this charade, still believing there's any remote difference between these two loathsome mobsters?
Send them both to the Hague!
When I see idiots blaming Biden equally for the oil thievery and millions of Cheney deaths in Iraq I get empty for America.
Biden was co-conspirator why not blame him too? You Lesser Evilists are just about the dumbest people with access to a keyboard on the planet.
Obama bin Biden had one entire year to withdraw troops from Iraq, why are we still there?
Democrats not only gave Bush the authorization to invade but gave him even more money than he had asked for to keep the carnage funded.
Number of Dermocratic filibusters during 8 years of Bush: 0.
Get lost, Dem Party Apologist.
If you believe either of these creeps:
Wrap yourself in the flag, and jump off
the nearest bridge...(make sure it's high
enough, success is important)
bullshit
Precisely.
The congress must have a code like the police code that you do not say anything bad about your fellow police-persons. The people be damned, they take care of covering each others asses. Cheney is without a doubt an international criminal who should be tried for crimes against humanity such as invading countries that have no weapons of mass destruction or connection to 9-11. This was information based on Cheney and Bush rewriting intelligence reports. And this is done on the pretence of U.S. national security while Cheney is making a fortune from no bid Halliburton contracts as a pensioner. The torture policy of Cheney discredits Bidens statements that Cheney is a nice guy. Cheney was partly responsible for the barbaric policy against Iraq during the first gulf war and sanctions which I'm sure contributed to sympathetic Muslim retaliation against America, which caused 9-11.Now Obama is continuing the cycle of violence and retaliation and is as guilty as Bush and Cheney of being wrong on leadership policies on how to keep America safe. I have the audacity of hope that Obama will become enlightened and End the wars and withdraw the troops.
We have always been at war with EastAsia
I say we have a cage death match between Bidin and Cheney
For the life of me, I don't understand why any of the news venues provide Cheney with an outlet for his vile opinions.
It's not like he has been proven to be any sort of prophet, or even an accurate source of information to this point!
For example, Iraq DID NOT have any "weapons of mass destruction"... Saddam DID NOT have anything to do with 9-11... the people of Iraq DID NOT greet our soldiers as "liberators"... many of the ideas and programs that Cheney espoused during his term as a phantom Vice President have been judged illegal and/or unConstitutional by the federal courts over the years... and the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans DID NOT result in a landslide of investment and new jobs over the past administration!
Much of Cheney’s insistence that Khalid not be tried in Federal Court is probably due to the fact that most any reasonable court would most likely consider any evidence acquired from him directly would be tainted and inadmissible due to the fact that he was tortured while in custody.
Trying him in a quiet military court, outside of the public eye would save the previous administration the embarrassment of the exposure of their stupidity.
Why do REAL news people even listen to Cheney, let alone broadcast his perpetual flow of bile?