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Civilian, Military Planners Have Different Views on New Approach to Afghanistan
Two days before announcing the deployment of additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan, President Obama informed Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal that he was not granting McChrystal's request to double the size of the Afghan army and police.
U.S. army soldiers from Task Force Denali Platoon 1-40 CAV secure the area during a training session of Afghanistan's national policemen outside a police station at Nadir Shah Kot district in Khowst province, Afghanistan, December 24, 2009.
REUTERS/Zohra Bensemra (AFGHANISTAN - Tags: CONFLICT MILITARY) Cost was a factor, as were questions about whether the capacity exists to train 400,000 personnel. The president told McChrystal, the top commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, to focus for now on fielding a little more than half that number by next October.
Ten days after Obama's speech, the U.S. command responsible for training the Afghans circulated a chart detailing the combined personnel targets for the army and police. McChrystal's goal of 400,000 remained unchanged.
"It's an open issue," a senior Pentagon official said last week.
Nearly a month after Obama unveiled his revised Afghanistan strategy, military and civilian leaders have come away with differing views of several fundamental aspects of the president's new approach, according to more than a dozen senior administration and military officials involved in Afghanistan policy, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.
Members of Obama's war cabinet disagree over the meaning of his pledge to begin drawing down forces in July 2011 and whether the mission has been narrowed from a proposal advanced by McChrystal in his August assessment of the war. The disagreements have opened a fault line between a desire for an early exit among several senior officials at the White House and a conviction among military commanders that victory is still achievable on their terms.
The differences are complicating implementation of the new strategy. Some officers have responded to the July 2011 date by seeking to accelerate the pace of operations, instead of narrowing them. At the White House, a senior administration official said, the National Security Council is discussing ways to increase monitoring of military and State Department activities in Afghanistan to prevent "overreaching."
The NSC's strategic guidance, a classified document that outlines the president's new approach, was described by the senior administration official as limiting military operations "in scale and scope to the minimum required to achieve two goals -- to prevent al-Qaeda safe havens and to prevent the Taliban from toppling the government." The use of resource-intensive counterinsurgency tactics -- employing U.S. forces to protect Afghan civilians from the Taliban -- is supposed to be restricted to key cities and towns in southern and eastern parts of the country, the official said.
"The strategy has fundamentally changed. This is not a COIN strategy," Vice President Biden said on MSNBC last week, using the military's shorthand for counterinsurgency. "This is not 'go out and occupy the whole country.' "
Setting limits
During a videoconference two days before the speech, Obama made it clear to McChrystal and U.S. Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry that he did not want the additional troops to fuel a broader mission. Speaking to both men from the White House Situation Room, the president told them not to deploy the forces to areas they would not be able to transfer to Afghan security forces by July 2011, according to two senior officials with knowledge of the conversation.
Obama's essential instruction was, according to one of the officials, "Don't bite off more than you can chew."
White House officials said the president opposes using the forces he has authorized to duplicate an expansive, Iraq-style counterinsurgency operation -- in part because he questions whether it will be possible to achieve a similar outcome in Afghanistan, which is less developed, and because he wants to start reducing troops in 18 months. The White House's desired end state in Afghanistan, officials said, envisions more informal local security arrangements than in Iraq, a less-capable national government and a greater tolerance of insurgent violence.
Senior military officials still think they can achieve a better outcome than envisaged by civilian skeptics in the administration by using the new forces to mount more comprehensive counterinsurgency operations. Although Pentagon strategists and McChrystal's advisers in Kabul are looking at how they can fulfill the White House desire for a less extensive mission, military officials said they are reluctant to strip too much away and weaken an approach that has come to be revered within the ranks as the only way to suppress guerrilla movements.
Military officials contend that McChrystal does not harbor expansionist aims. They note that he has begun removing troops from remote mountain valleys and concentrating resources on a modest number of key population centers. But the approach in those areas will involve counterinsurgency tactics: Troops will focus on restoring normal patterns of life by trying to keep the Taliban at bay, helping the Afghan government provide basic services to the population and training local security forces.
McChrystal's plan, the senior Pentagon official said, "is still counterinsurgency, regardless of the various agendas people are trying to spin."
Dissent over drawdown
During strategy discussions at the White House, differences between the White House and the military came into sharp relief over Obama's decision to announce his intention to begin drawing down troops in July 2011.
McChrystal argued against it, according to three officials familiar with the process. The head of the U.S. Central Command, Gen. David H. Petraeus, also expressed concerns. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates urged Obama to make the drawdown "conditions-based."
"There was a lot of pushback" from the Defense Department, one of the officials said.
The president received cover from one uniformed general at the table, James E. Cartwright, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Cartwright had adopted a more skeptical view of the mission than many of his military colleagues, one that resonated with Obama and Biden.
Cartwright effectively endorsed the July 2011 date, arguing that increasing forces and engaging in limited counterinsurgency made sense, the senior administration official said, "but given the risk factors -- Pakistan, the Karzai government, the whole notion of sub-national governance and our track record with the [Afghan security forces], which is not prestigious -- that it made sense to demonstrate that we could actually do this."
It also helped Obama that the principal troop-increase proposal being discussed at the time -- a recommendation that McChrystal receive 30,000 forces for 18 to 24 months -- had been developed by Gates. The Defense Department paperwork detailing the proposal identified the increase as starting in the summer of 2009, when the first troops deployed by the president this year began conducting operations in Afghanistan, but it did not specify an end date.
"Rather than leaving this indefinite and hypothetical, the president's intervention was to say, 'Okay, if we're starting in July of '09, then we're really talking about July of '11," said the senior administration official who described the NSC guidance.
Obama eventually told his war cabinet that he would announce the July 2011 deadline but that the pace of withdrawals would be determined, as Gates had sought, by conditions on the ground. Obama said he would conduct a thorough review of progress in a year's time. Although he did not endorse McChrystal's request to increase the Afghan security forces to 400,000, he said he would reevaluate the issue once the 2010 goal of training 230,000 forces is achieved.
The president avoided details in his Dec. 1 address, leaving it up to members of his Cabinet and to his advisers to explain the specifics. The result has been a wide divergence of expectations. Gates, appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press" the Sunday after the speech, said that perhaps only "some handful or some small number" would be withdrawn. Biden, during his MSNBC appearance last week, said a chart showing an increase in U.S. deployments this year would be "coming down as rapidly over the next two years."
The ambiguity over the meaning of the July 2011 deadline has generated uncertainty over the president's intent. "Is the surge a way of helping us leave more quickly, or is the timeline a way to help win support for the surge?" asked a senior Democratic staff member in Congress. "Which is the strategy and which is the head-fake? Nobody knows."
One senior military officer in Afghanistan said he and his fellow soldiers "don't know if this is all over in 18 months, or whether this is just a progress report that leads to minor changes."
"Until they tell us otherwise," the officer said, "we're operating as if the latter is the policy."
A 'dramatic change'?
Although senior-level civilians in the administration emerged from the review process thinking the mission had been circumscribed, senior military officials continue to have a different view. The result, as they see it, is that the White House has embraced McChrystal's original plan.
"We had already been pretty focused that we wouldn't try to clear and hold things more than we needed to," said a senior commander involved in the war. "It wasn't a dramatic change by any means."
White House officials have cited a meeting among NSC staff members and McChrystal in which the general displayed a slide stating that his mission was to "Defeat the Taliban," which some civilians deemed overly ambitious because it suggested that every last member of the Taliban would have to be killed or captured. The officials said the mission was redefined to avoid the term.
But to military officers, defeat "doesn't mean wipe everyone out," the commander said. "It means after Waterloo, Napoleon still had an army but he wasn't going to threaten Europe. We used that view when we worked defeat."
Even before the White House review had finished, the commander in charge of day-to-day operations, Lt. Gen. David M. Rodriguez, had developed a plan to concentrate U.S. and NATO efforts in 80 of the country's nearly 400 districts.
"They're taking credit for some of the things that McChrystal was already doing and calling it a narrowed focus," a senior military official said.
White House advisers maintain that the review process did refine the mission beyond what McChrystal had proposed over the summer.
"There was a real narrowing here," the senior administration official said. "Stan has a big leadership task to adapt his original concept to the new strategic guidance."
The official said NSC officials recognize it will take time for the new orders to filter through the ranks. "This doesn't turn around with a speech," the official said. "But I hope we don't see slides a month from now that continue to state that our goal is 400,000" Afghan security forces.
The challenge, said that official and another senior administration official, is to recalibrate military operations over the next 18 months in accordance with the new goal.
"The guidance they have is that we're not doing everything, and we're not doing it forever," the second official said. "The hardest intellectual exercise will be settling on how much is enough."
For now, however, top military officers speak more expansively than White House advisers.
"Winning means we hand off to a security force that can secure the country," the senior Pentagon official said. "We've separated the enemy, we've connected the people to the government, and we're helping them to rebuild their economy. It's at that point that we begin to transition it over to them."
Terms such as "winning" and "victory" have been eschewed by the White House. Obama did not use either in his Dec. 1 address, and he said in an interview earlier this year that he was uncomfortable using the term "victory" when fighting "a non-state actor, a shadowy operation like al-Qaeda."
But when Gates visited Kabul a week after Obama's speech, he made a point of telling military personnel there that "we are in this thing to win."
"From a moral perspective, when you ask soldiers and families to sacrifice, we do that to win," the Pentagon official said. "We need to be able to articulate winning."

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Show AllQuite a barrage of verbal flak from WaPo, key wing of the Disinformation Ministry of our Republic of Fear. How do we ever survive? What purpose does this piece have other than pure propaganda? Where is the mention of the lack of popular support for any of this? The piece's purpose is to make Obama seem reasonable, wise, moderate. Even the murdermeisters commanding our military are presented simply as "strategists." Never mind that all of these "strategies" translate into death, devastation, conquest and, if all succeeds, plunder on a very grand scale. The karmic boomerang in store for us is going to be a whopper.
the karmic boomerang, sort of like a bouncing betty, is already here.
Of course it will accelerate.
The Pentagon is on a fool's errand and they know it. Obama is trying to make it look honorable while looking for a way out.
There is not one newspaper or network news source I would trust NOT to be full of disinformation.
In other words they are all pouring it on thick!
Even poor Democracy Now has trouble not picking up false PR propaganda floating around because it's so prevalent. So the water is poisoned.
Hope you have a good feel for the truth from now on, I am thinking of Wag the Dog...
Good point. It's a bad idea to watch the news---any news---you never know when you will believe something.
The Troops in harm's way don't know exactly who the enemy is and who they're suppose to be shooting, but they know they have an enemy and they know they're going to be shooting somebody; and be shot at, mostly by IED's. The Generals don't know how many Troops they have and how long they're going to be there, but they know they have Troops and they know they're there. This Keystone Cop routine would be humorous if the results weren't so gruesome: this Apocolypto March with one Pat Tillman after the other pridefully taking blood sloshing step after insane step up the side of the temple. This perverse puffy chested nationalistic pride that keeps propelling the sacrificial martyrs insanely upward, this perverse puffy chested nationalistic pride displayed by the Pakistani's when they insanely blew up a mountain peak with nuclear munitions -- strutting around for weeks, if not continuing to this day, on world wide television; and clucking all the way "What Bigger Better Boys and Girls are We?!" Where does The Peace Maker: The Child Of God insert The Stylist for Deflating this Monstrosity?
Bring The Troops Home Now has seen it's day as a rallying cry. What else would be relevant for today...Cease Fire...Free The Troops, Free America: Stop The War...Stop The Oil War(?)...Share The Oil Wealth(?) -- Cease Fire (considering Civilians are being killed and maimed at something like a 50:1 ratio to Soldiers...though the Drones are skewing the American contribution, unless one considers the impoverished Ghetto to the cost of Drone bombings...considering the Civilian involvement, isn't a Civilian Statement warranted?) What's The Argument to be coalesced and dispersed; and who (groups) will bring it?... throughout the people that want a dignified existence, and all people want a dignified existence, by Martin Luther King Day, January 18, 2010?
Vato WAR IS PEACE said OBMA
"The Troops in harm's way don't know exactly who the enemy is and who they're suppose to be shooting, but they know they have an enemy and they know they're going to be shooting somebody; and be shot at, mostly by IED's."
Well, if they want to know who their enemy is, really, then they can just look to March Forward!, of which co-founder Mike Prysner states in wholly clear terms who the enemy is. He's definitely right in saying that the enemy is not foreign, for it's or they're domestic.
Comic book translation :
We are only going to guard the gas pipeline,TAPI.
Turkmenestan,Afghanistan, Pakistan, India.
I believe the contract to start building is almost current.
Sounds like Obomber has little control over the MIC.
Duh, ya think?
Maybe I am missing something, but are we not training a new generation of 400,000 "Holy Warriors"? The Mujahideen were trained by the US and turned against their trainer, why not the Afghanis?
Stop it, now. You are not supposed to be thinking things through logically. What kind of american sheep are you, anyway? How dare you suggest that such blowback might occur? No common sense allowed, and you know it!
Actually the USA is attempting to bribe a Tajik controled Afghan army into a civil war situation ala Iraq.
But the hash might be better in Afghanistan.
Those dam drugs really dampen the urge to murder.
If we are into hiring foreign soldiers, then we should get some Hessians. They did a good job for the English back 1776.
"...and a conviction among military commanders that victory is still achievable on their terms."
Based on this insanity (...same thing over and over and expecting different results) you'd think these idiots actually believe all that "Never give up, never give in, never say die (unless it's 'Do or die')" crap.
Maybe the people here in the reality based community can scrape up enough cash to send these guys a De-motivational speaker. I'm sure there are a few Vietnam Vets (or Russian Afghan Vets) who'd be willing to straighten them out.
mcchrystal lied to the tillman family, refused the red cross the right to visit his prison camp, and then engineered the ethnic cleansing of baghdad. even establishment scribe bob woodward said the us used the salvadorean option in iraq to rid troublesome political elements from the scene. he imprisoned tens of thousands of iraqis; to the ones who would cooperate, he had paid bounties. he basically paid many sunnis to switch sides, to fight with rather than against the americans. and $400 per month is a king's ransom in devastated iraq, where food and electricity are still in short and erratic supply, even 7 years after bush's infamous war crime of an invasion. any civilized country would have a president who would fire and court martial mcchrystal for the war criminal and torturer that he is. he is just a few meters shy of deserving one of the ropes still left at nuremberg; the ones meant for goering and himmler, who cheated their hangmen by taking capsules of lethal cyanide, may yet be available.
Since the military has made essentially a death cauldron of everything in which its leaders were the decision-makers from Vietnam to Afghanistan, let's try listening to the civilian advisors for a change. All militaries around the world know is how to kill, kill, kill and I am sick to death
of the disgusting sacrifice of innocents by the U.S. and its
brutish allies.
I'm all in favor of treating the insane with dignity and respect -- but promoting them up the chain of military and civilian command is taking things just a tad too far, don't you think?
As one poster diligently explained they are pyschopaths, not the insane.
Good point. That's an important distinction. Thanks!
Indeed, for many insane people aren't violent, while the military commanders commanding the wars under the level of C-in-C and the political war-makers and continuers are psychopaths. I guess that some of the political continuers of the war might not be psychopaths, but those who aren't are [awfully] incompetent. Many of the political circles are quite psychopathic though.
Madeleine Albright clearly was a serious example during the Clinton administration and making this all the more clear were the resignations of two UNHRC directors or heads in Iraq, who resigned because of the genocidal sanctions criminally imposed on Iraq, which Ms Albright psychopathically supported or defended the continuance of in fully explicit and public terms; while working for or with other psychopaths in maintaining these sanctions, "of course". She wasn't alone, but her words defending these sanctions were stated for the whole world to know, being able to watch her state these words in video recordings and perhaps televised broadcasts.
That's an example of extreme psychopathic conduct and it unfortunately is only one of many examples of such conduct by western governments and military leaders or commanders. Does Gen. Tommy Franks come to mind? He certainly does for me.
These psychopaths commit extreme crimes of violence, including the "soft" kind of violence, for or in which only economic and political methods are used, no military; like arranging to get poor countries to accept international funding in order to enslave them and their populations, f.e.
And then they, f.e., start or are directors of "humanitarian" organisations, foundations, etcetera, trying to make themselves look good, while also corrupting what should really, truly be humanitarian. And some get awarded the Nobel Peace Prize; like Henry Kissinger and one or more former Israeli leaders, f.e.
Downright psychopaths! And they psychopatically love to LIE to us all, to try to deceive us all and to thereby try to enslave us all under their rule.
Can they be clinically termed insane? I don't know for sure, but they clearly are psychopaths, extremely and repeatedly, or continuously, so.
Watch socialist post that I'm a redneck, again. If he does, then it'd certainly be interesting to see him trying to defend these psychopaths.
It's not a question of how to conquor Afghanistan but of why.
Barack should move our troops back to their barracks. Now!
Move them to their barracks back in the USA. This'd be much better and safer, for everyone.
Why? Well here's the answer:
In January 1998, the Taliban signed an agreement that would allow a proposed 890-mile, $2-billion, 1.9-billion-cubic-feet-per-day natural gas pipeline project led by Unocal to proceed. The proposed pipeline would have transported natural gas from Turkmenistan's 45-Tcf Dauletabad natural gas field to Pakistan, and most likely would have run from Dauletabad south to the Afghan border and through Herat and Qandahar in Afghanistan, to Quetta, Pakistan. The line would then have linked with Pakistan's natural gas grid at Sui. Natural gas shipments had been projected to start at 700 Mmcf/d in 1999 and to rise to 1.4 Bcf/d or higher by 2002. In June 1998, Gazprom announced that it was relinquishing its 10% stake in the gas pipeline project consortium (known as the Central Asian Gas Pipeline Ltd., or Centgas), which was formed in August 1996. As of June 1998, Unocal and Saudi Arabia's Delta Oil held a combined 85% stake in Centgas, while Turkmenrusgas owned 5%. Other participants in the proposed project besides Delta Oil include the Crescent Group of Pakistan, Gazprom of Russia, Hyundai Engineering & Construction Company of South Korea, Inpex and Itochu of Japan.On December 8, 1998, Unocal announced that it was withdrawing from the Centgas consortium, citing low oil prices and turmoil in Afghanistan as making the pipeline project uneconomical and too risky. Unocal's announcement followed an earlier statement -- in August 1998 -- that the company was suspending its role in the Afghanistan gas pipeline project in light of the recent U.S. government military action in Afghanistan, and also due to intensified fighting between the Taliban and opposition groups. Unocal had previously stressed that the Centgas pipeline project would not proceed until an internationally recognized government was in place in Afghanistan. Besides the gas pipeline, Unocal also had considered building a 1,000-mile, 1-million barrel-per-day (bbl/d) capacity oil pipeline that would link Chardzou, Turkmenistan to Pakistan's Arabian Sea Coast via Afghanistan. Since the Chardzou refinery is already linked to Russia's Western Siberian oil fields, this line could provide a possible alternative export route for regional oil production from the Caspian Sea. The $2.5-billion pipeline is known as the Central Asian Oil Pipeline Project.
It's about resources, money, and the ability to steal them from Afghanistan. This is also why the WTC was destroyed.
Note that cruise missile strikes were ordered on Afghani targets in 1998 by the Clinton administration. The resources of Afghanistan have long been a ripe fruit ready to pick. In order to secure the country, we needed troops on the ground. We tried to do it after the embassy bombings but couldn't get the public to buy off on it. The entire conflict was YEARS in the making.
Finally the bush administration lit the fuse. By remote flying a couple of planes into the WTC towers and then destroying them with controlled demolition, they finally got the support they needed for this piracy. A little money here, a faked investigation there, and a couple of payoffs to Popular Mechanics and BINGO!
Now Obama is continuing the rape of Afghanistan's natural resources. The entire affair has NOTHING AT ALL to do with terrorism.
Obama is smart enough to know that he has to leave out the words "victory" or win" because he knows he can't win so he tells the generals that they can't win so they all must keep lying to the troops and public about a winning strategy.
Been that, Done there.
this article is eerie:
it seems that different contingents of NATO in afghanistan :
brits or other europeans or americans have been experiencing -- all similarly -
"weird noises, sounds, strange lights"....
some even -- an american on an outpost in what they call a "haunted" place --
screaming for to NOT be left alone all night on watch after he said he heard "someone whispering to my ear, like russian"..
and that dead people were buried there since the soviet war....
ewe....
Afghanistan might LITERALLY be the "graveyard of empires"....
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Eerie outpost unnerves US Marines with strange lights and whispers in the night
Corporal Jacob Lima, right, and another Marine at Observation Point Rock
Corporal Jacob Lima, right, and another Marine at Observation Point Rock
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Tom Coghlan on OP Rock, Helmand
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The Marines found the bone as they scraped a shallow trench. Long, dry and unmistakably once part of a human leg, it was followed by others. They reburied most of them but also found bodies. Three of the graves were close together; in another was a skeleton still wearing a pair of glasses. The Marines covered the grave and told their successors to stay away from it.
Observation Point Rock sits a few hundred metres south east of Patrol Base Hassan Abad, where a company from 2/8 Marines has been stationed for the past seven months. It is a lonely and exposed outpost 20 metres (65ft) above the surrounding landscape, which has been in Nato hands since it was captured from the Taleban in 2008.
Groups of Marines are posted to guard it, usually for a couple of months at a time, and “the Rock” has acquired a peculiar reputation. American troops widely refer to it as “the haunted Observation Point”.
It is hard to say how much the 100F (38C) heat, round-the-clock guard shifts and months spent living in trenches and peering out of sandbagged firing points have gilded the legend of OP Rock. The only break from the tedium, apart from dog-eared magazines and an improvised gym, has been small-arms or rocket-propelled grenade attacks from the Taleban, usually on a Sunday morning.
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But as Sergeant Josh Brown, 22, briefed his successor when a detachment of men from Golf Company was swapped for an incoming contingent from Fox Company, he warned of the strange atmosphere and inexplicable phenomena that plagued OP Rock. “The local people say this is a cursed place,” he said. “You will definitely see weird-ass lights up here at night.”
Others in the outgoing unit had reported odd sounds. “It is weird what you hear and don’t hear around here,” he added.
Each successive detachment that guards the Rock appears to add its own layer to the legend, which has spread through the Marine units pushing into southern Helmand.
There is talk of members of the Taleban entombed in caves below; the bodies buried on the summit are identified confidently as dead Russian soldiers from the ill-fated Soviet invasion.
Corporal Jacob Lima’s story is the latest addition. One night he was woken by the sound of screaming. It was Corporal Zolik, a Marine who has since been moved to a unit farther south. “He was yelling and begging me to go up to the firing point he was guarding,” Corporal Lima, 22, told the men taking over from him. “When I got there he said that he was sitting there when he heard a voice whisper something in his ear. He said it sounded like Russian. He begged me to stay in there with him till he was relieved from guard duty. After that he really didn’t like standing post up there.”
The Marines’ predecessors, a unit of Welsh Guards, also produced tales of the unexpected. “The Brits claimed to see weird things, hear noises,” Corporal Lima said. “Lots of them said it’s creepy at night, especially from midnight till 4am. You see a lot of unexplained lights through night-vision goggles.”
Its elevation has clearly made the Rock a natural defensive position for centuries. It is not a rock, though it resembles one. Medieval arrow slits and the remains of fortified turrets on its eastern flank show that this was once a large mud fort that collapsed in on itself and was probably built upon in turn. The locals say that it dates back to Alexander the Great, and another similar structure is visible in the distance to the south, part of a supposed line of such forts built at some point in Afghanistan’s history of invasion and war.
When US Marines seized the post last summer they dropped a 2,000lb (900kg) bomb on one side, collapsing part of the structure on to what its current occupants claim was a cave where Taleban fighters were sheltering.
“This place really sucks,” said Lance Corporal Austin Hoyt, 20, putting his pack on to return to the main base. “The Afghans say it’s haunted. Stick a shovel in anywhere and you’ll find bones and bits of pottery. This place should be in National Geographic — in the front there are weird-looking windows for shooting arrows. You know, they say the Russians up here were executed by the Mujahidin.”
He looked meaningfully at his successors and prepared to leave.