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No Chance of Peace for Years, says Israel's Foreign Minister
There is no chance of an early solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and people must "learn to live with it", the Israeli Foreign Minister warned yesterday.
America's veteran peace negotiator George Mitchell, left, meets the Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in Jerusalem yesterday. "Anyone who says that within the next few years an agreement can be reached ending the conflict... simply doesn't understand the situation and spreads delusions, ultimately leading to disappointments and an all-out confrontation here," Avigdor Lieberman said in a radio interview.(Reuters) "Anyone who says that within the next few years an agreement can be reached ending the conflict... simply doesn't understand the situation and spreads delusions, ultimately leading to disappointments and an all-out confrontation here," Avigdor Lieberman said in a radio interview.
He added: "I am going to say very clearly: there are conflicts that have not been completely solved and people have learnt to live with it, like Cyprus."
Mr Lieberman, the head of the far-right Yisrael Beitenu party, suggested that a long-term, interim deal with the Palestinians could ensure prosperity, security and stability, but tougher questions should be left until later.
"We have to be realistic," he said. "We will not be able to reach agreement on core and emotional subjects like Jerusalem and the right of return of Palestinian refugees."
Mr Lieberman does not lead Israel's negotiating team and his ideas will not necessarily translate into his country's policy towards the Palestinians, which is set by the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Nevertheless, the Foreign Minister's remarks overshadowed the arrival in Jerusalem of George Mitchell, America's Middle East envoy, who will try to get the stalled talks moving again.
The Palestinians have said they will not agree to an interim peace deal that would put off a resolution of the conflict indefinitely. The Islamist movement Hamas has said it is willing to agree to a long-term ceasefire but that it will not recognise Israel as a state.
Mr Mitchell met Mr Lieberman and the Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, yesterday, and will hold talks with Mr Netanyahu and the Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, today.
The veteran negotiator tried to strike a determined, upbeat note on his arrival, despite rising tensions in Jerusalem and reports that more Israeli settlements are being laid out in Palestinian territories.
Speaking before talks with Israel's President, Shimon Peres, Mr Mitchell said: "We're going to continue with our efforts to achieve an early relaunch of negotiations... because we believe that is an essential step toward achieving the comprehensive peace."
Mr Abbas is expected to tell Mr Mitchell that he will not resume peace talks until Israel puts a freeze on the expansion of settlements in Palestinian areas, and until the two sides set out a clear agenda for negotiations.
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Show AllTranslation: Israel is not going to stop killing Palestinians and stealing Palestinian land.
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My morning's fantasy for these desperate times ...
Maybe I'll choose to come back as a great big red, polka-dot bird with a mission to swoop down and poop on heads such as Avigdor Lieberman's et al. [& quite a few in the U.S.] as they talk their evil nonsense. Of course, I would have an evolved physical covering which would not allow bullets or missiles to penetrate, although I might squawk a little from the impact.
No peace for a long time, Avigdor? and "people have to get used to it" and the conditions, especially if you are the Gazans? Why don't you go live with the Gazan people for a while and find out how fast you can "get used to it"?
My species might be called The Big Red Polka-dot PooperOn, with a specialty of targeting Psychopaths and other Life-Destroying Pompous Fools as they utter their twisted words in public.
And if the people there or those watching on television start laughing at the result of our gooey accuracy, that'll do it after a while. Ridicule can help bring down the powerful.
I'm picturing a myriad of so-called political leaders and generals, mega-financial folks, heads of state ... How could anyone take them seriously anymore with constant images of a big red, polka-dot bird dropping goo on their heads which runs down their faces.
Time for some serious Shape-Shifting here ... anybody want to join in imagining ... image-ing. Maybe we'll create a new species in time for The Attack of The PooperOns ...
"Watch out, Avigdor!" Bibi shouts. Here comes that Big Red Polka-dot Pooperon again! ... Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it's after me now! ... ewwwwww ... ewwwwww ... yeccch..."
C'mon Doctor Seuss and Charlie Chaplin and Richard Pryor, wherever you are, inspire us! ; - )
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No peace?... Then no more money for Israel.
No freeze on settlements.... freeze on the dough.
the "conflict" will end when zion has flushed the palestinians out of palestine.
in the same sense that operation enduring freedom in iraq will be over when the oil is gone - after that osama bin laden is free and clear
at least the criminal psycho lieberman is honest - more than you can say for imperial us
There is no peace process, which makes it absurd for yet another American administration to engage in a process that doesn't exist. There is only a military build-up in Israel. If Nobel Peace Prize recipient Obama didn't approve, he wouldn't be sending more weapons. He would cut back on on financial support instead.
The Palestinians do not matter any more than the Pakistanis killed by drones or the 27% unemployed people of Detroit lining up for help. Little people do not matter. The New World Order is making its end game.
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -- David ben Gurion.
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his
question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion
waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin,
leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23
October 1979.
Palestinians including Hamas have indicated that they would be content with the 1967 borders. The problem with recognizing Israel as a state is: 1) Israel redraws the border everyday with its settlement and ethnic cleansing activity, 2) Israel wants the world the recognize it as Jewish state, despite that roughly 20% of the population is Palestinian or Arab (and its politicians have suggested deporting the 20%) and 3) Israel has yet to recognized the Palestinian state (MSM always ignores).
Obama has the power to begin to put an end to the conflict by condemning settlements, ethnic cleansing, stop supporting a puppet government (Abbas), providing military and monetary support to the occupation, condemning the blockade of Gaza... If he did so, he'd have the world behind him; although not Congress, AIPAC, and extremists in Israel. However, he chooses not to do so. Today, he will celebrate his Nobel peace prize. If I were Obama, I'd be ashamed to accept it.
Everything you say is right but you missed: 4) Israel is armed with clandestine WMD including 100s of nuclear weapons; is not a signatory of the NNPT; rejects inspections of its nuclear facilities by the IAEA; presents a real and imminent threat to neighbouring states and therefore is in breach of international law and the US Government and individuals are in breach of their own laws in providing aid to this a terrorist state with WMD.
The root of this problem will not be solved until Lieberman and all those Israeli people like him either acknowledge the Palestinians as humans just like themselves with all the same rights or get out of the way and get over their Zionist racist myth, which has no place in the 21st C or in a civilized world.
The Israelis will never want to stop the genocidal land grabs with Godzilla standing behind their every atrocity.
I nominate Avigdor LIE berman for the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize!
Israel nor the USA nor any powerful nation in existence is ever going to abide by an agreement as long as they have the power to violate their agreement without answering for the violation, through mutually armed parties.
Mutually armed members of any agreement are the only answer that has not been tried. The obvious reason is that it would give NO ONE the superiority over another to break an agreement at will.
When the world is dealing with nations such as Israel and the USA who believe themselves above their own treaties/agreements they are not bound to them. They feel that they have 'special dispensation', most often issued by some 'imaginary deity' they claim to worship and represent.
In their collective minds they are never bound by their agreements any farther than the 'other side' has the power to 'enforce the treaty'.
When both sides of an agreement have the enforcement power that is equal, then they are bound by their own 'self preservation' to keep the agreement.
If the USA and Israel are anything at all, they both stand as demonstrations to the world that arrogance knows no limits, either for the immediate history or even the ancient.
The Israelis 'lost' their 'home land' as a result of violating their treaties with Rome. The USA violated its treaties in order to gain vast sums of wealth which gave them the power almost two thousand years later; to 'reunite the Israelis' with the land they stole from others two thousand years before, and could not would not keep their promises.
If my people had had the ability to enforce our treaties with the USA, the world would be an entirely different planet now. The USA would have never had the money to inflict so much misery upon so many in so many places all over the world.
And Israel would be a 'fantasy' in the minds of 'some fools' who 'worship' 'a mean vindictive jealous weak God'.
"If the USA were another nation the USA would invade the USA to keep the world safe; and the would be justified."
Could not agree more, NS!
I understand what you say and would like to concur but when you write: "The Israelis 'lost' their 'home land' as a result of violating their treaties with Rome..." I have to correct you. These people who were thrown out of Palestine 2000 years ago had only the most tenuous link to these people who call themselves Israelis. Nine out of ten ancestors of the present lot come from Kazak, Russian, North European, North African or Spanish origins. This view you have of people coming "back" to their home land is nothing more than another part of the Zionist myth. The fact is, on the other hand, nine out of ten of the Palestinians’ predecessors do originate from Palestine.
You have your views but, personally I came into this world with nothing but the love of my fellow man and I hope to leave it the same way. Everything I had in my life was borrowed. I tried to use those things for the betterment of all. I didn't own the air I breathed, the sky that held the sun and stars, or the water that ran through me. Why in any God's name can I claim to own the land for perpetuity?
Lieberman is working hard to sabotage any possibility of a peace process. Of course he wants the status quo which leaves Israel with a theocratic state and the Palestnians with no state at all.
Lieberman is a hard core racist. If he had his way, he'd herd all the Arabs into extermination camps. He is a "Jewish Supremacist". There's no reasoning with a crazy like that.
The irony is that Avigdor is a native of Moldova (in the former Soviet Union).
He wasn't even born in Israel and to this day he speaks Hebrew with what sounds like a Russian accent.
His base consists of the young generation of 18 - 30 year olds, and new immigrants from the former USSR.
I have always believed the Jews should have part of Israel/Palestine as a homeland, but its obvious the radicals rule, and they will purge the Palestinians until they achieve 100% Jewish population within the borders of biblical Israel at its greatest. They will talk and stall and distract and lobby US politics... until its done.
Peace will come when the Palestinians find peace and prosperity in places like Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and NYC/Philly/New Jersey. Peace has already come with Israel's closest neighbors because of the nuclear equalizer. Maybe the US should offer to re-settle at least some of the refugees.
What is the reasoning behind the statement: "I have always believed the Jews should have part of Israel/Palestine as a homeland"
What gives them the right to claim territory that doesn't belong to them?
So basically, what you're saying is that the Palestinians should give up the claim to their land and just accept paying the price for the Europeans sins? Would you?
When did it belong and then not belong to them? Israel was the Jewish homeland for thousands of years, and its religion, culture and history are part of what we all are today. My position is its the homeland of both Jew and Palestinian, and a solution should be found.
The gradual displacement of all Palestinians from the boundaries of King Solomon's Israel seems to be what is happening. This is not right, but seems inevitable.
Denmark was my family's "homeland" for thousands of years, but that doesn't mean I, or any of the other people whose families left Denmark a few generations ago, can go back over there and steal back some land for ourselves.
"Jewish homeland" means nothing, and is just a fig leaf to cover what is really happening: a colonial land grab, carried out by European and American Zionist Jews, against the indigenous population of Palestine.
"We must do everything to insure the Palestinians never return, the
old will die and the young will forget."
- Ben Gurion
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion,
clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten
with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,
colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and
the expropriation of their lands."
- Yoram Bar Porath
"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
- Ben Gurion
"Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both
peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the
Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to
transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them.
Not one village, not one tribe should be left".
- Joseph Weitz
petrkrop: "Jewish homeland" means nothing, and is just a fig leaf to cover what is really happening: a colonial land grab, carried out by European and American Zionist Jews, against the indigenous population of Palestine."
If that is true, than how can you explain that only 38% of Israelis are European Jews?
Why a Jew who emigrated legally from Europe to Israel/ Palestine and legally buy land at full asking price is "a colonial land grabber", but an Arab who emigrate from an Arab country to Israel / Palestine in the same years and in the same manner is "indigenous"?
Why did you fail to mention that Jews were expelled from Arab counties in larger numbers than Palestinians were expelled from Israel, leaving behind property larger than the land taken from Palestinians during that same war?
Also, you try to rewrite history. All main-stream historians say that a Jewish kingdom once existed in Israel. And many modern Jews (Including Europeans) have historical, cultural and genetic linkage to the region.
Letto stop peddling your Zionist propaganda, and read history:
Shlomo Sand’s ‘The Invention of the Jewish People,’
You can get a critique/review here:
reviewed by Jack Ross
http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-reviewed-by-jack-ross.html
In my University, I met a girl whose grandparents immigrated to Palestine from Lebanon in 1940. Yet she calls herself a Palestinian.
This is not a Zionist propaganda. I know that fact from my own personal experience.
I can't see why she is more “indigenous” than a grandchild of Jews who legally immigrate to Palestine in that same year.
Now Letto. We have established that you are not a zealot, haven't we? So your analysis rests on facts, does it not?
It is the case that around 38% of Israelis are of European descent - but that is 50% of the Jews in Israel. I am not sure how many Arabs have emigrated to Palestine in the 1920s - there were certainly some because under the British Mandate standards of living were higher there than elsewhere. This thing about the "full asking price" is a somewhat spurious as you well know. The "owners" were largely absentees and the local farmers were tenants. So the Zionists bought land from the absentee owners and then threw the farmers off the land.
Hope-Simpson's report (1930) recommended a drastic reduction in the volume of Jewish immigration because of insufficient cultivable Palestinian land and widespread Palestinian unemployment. He criticized the Jewish National Fund, for forbidding Jews from reselling land to Arabs and banning Arab laborers on Jewish farms. The Passfield White Paper (also 1930) concurred that stricter controls should be placed on Jewish immigration and land purchase, and asserted - for the first time - that the British government had obligations "of equal weight" to both communities and that it must renew the effort to establish the legislative council proposed in 1922.
I've touched on the question of Jewish migration from Arab countries - and no doubt you are busy reading the sources I gave there as I write.
Let us turn finally to the Jewish Kingdom. Here is a quote from
http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/False_Testament_%28Harpers%29.htm which gives the modern perspective on that aspect of history.
"Indeed, the chief disagreement among scholars nowadays is between those who hold that David was a petty hilltop chieftain whose writ extended no more than a few miles in any direction and a small but vociferous band of "biblical minimalists" who maintain that he never existed at all."
Happy reading!
Are you claiming that kingdom of Judea never existed in the land which is now Israel?
Get your head out of your Zionist Mythical ass ertions.
Peace will come when the Palestinians find peace and prosperity in places like Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and NYC/Philly/New Jersey. Peace has already come with Israel's closest neighbors because of the nuclear equalizer. Maybe the US should offer to re-settle at least some of the refugees.
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You sound like a closeted zealot who'd like to see the Palestinians expelled to Jordan and elsewhere. That is after all, the common theme among the vast majority of Israelis. Many in Israel want peace, but stop and ask them what their version of "peace" looks like and they'll tell you it's comprised of 'transferring' all the Palestinians and NEVER EVER returning the Golan Heights to Syria.
I had a discussion with a Jewish friend of mine who is a holocaust survivor, currently living in Jerusalem. We have been friends since the early 1970s.
Recently, after the Israeli attack on Gaza, we discussed the political situation and I mentioned to him the discrimination and the occupation that Palestinians face in Israel and his response was, "perhaps they should move to Lebanon or Jordan, they'll have a better life there".
Needless to say, it was a crushing disappointment to hear someone who described themselves as a peace-lover all these years say those things. A friendship, it ain't anymore.
No. Not a closeted zealot. Just resigned to the inevitable. Other than severe sanctions by the US and Europe, or even NATO occupying Israel and standing down the Israeli military and police, its going to happen. Also, a little guilt over what my German cousins did about 70 years ago.
The attitude of your Jewish friend is not surprising. The dream of returning to the homeland goes back hundreds of generations.
Did you know that before 1948, about 1,000,000 Jews lived in Arab countries?
Today the number is less than 5,000. (More than 99% of the Arab Jews were forced to leave, mostly to Israel and to France.)
The main difference between the Jewish refugees and the Palestinians refugees is that the Jews were settled in their new countries and the Palestinians were kept as refugees till these days.
zealots exists in more than just one side.
Learn a little about history and Zionist terrorism and their faults flag attacks in Bagdad for example, and see how the Zionists made sure to clear Jews out of other Arab Nations and collect them and their assets in Israel whether they wanted or not.
Read : The Jews of Iraq by Naeim Giladi
http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html
Out of 22 Arab countries, you are referring only to one - Iraq. And in that country, you are talking about 1 incident, where some conspiracy theorists (among them Jews, like Naeim Giladi) believe it was done by Zionists.
If you want to see the broader picture, try to find Jews who were expelled from Arab countries, and ask them. You can also check here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands
In 1948, there were approximately 150,000 Jews in Iraq. The community was concentrated in Baghdad and Basra. By 2003, there were only approximately 100 left of this previously thriving community.
In 1941, following Rashid Ali's pro-Axis coup, riots known as the Farhud broke out in Baghdad in which approximately 180 Jews were killed and about 240 were wounded, 586 Jewish-owned businesses were looted and 99 Jewish houses were destroyed.[66]
Like most Arab League states, Iraq initially forbade the emigration of its Jews after the 1948 war on the grounds that allowing them to go to Israel would strengthen that state. However, by 1949 Jews were escaping Iraq at about a rate of 1,000 a month (Simon, Reguer, and Laskier, p 365).
and its go on and on...
I agree that zealots exist in more than just one side - one way in which you recognize them is the way in which they distort the facts. You are right in saying that the number of Jews living in Arab countries has diminished dramatically but is still closer to 10,000 than 5,000 and most sources put the pre-1948 figure at around 900,000 but let's not quibble about numbers. Here is an interesting and somewhat deeper analysis
http://www.the-arab.com/arab_jews.htm
It is certainly the case that many Jews were "pressured to leave" their homes in Arab countries - mostly as a response to what was happening to the Palestinians at the hands of the Zionists around that time. It is also the case that many went voluntarily - and were being strongly encouraged to do so by various Zionist organizations to replace the Palestinians that were also being "pressured to leave". There is an interesting couple of pages in this book "Palestine and Israel: a challenge to justice" by John B. Quigley
which you can read on Google Books
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=GX8jX9dJXIAC&pg=PA99&lpg=PA99&dq=jews+from+arab+countries+to+Israel+migration&source=bl&ots=_IAAnlIGcV&sig=v01dB-dzk8Z4W7tZQ4PBtk1PLiY&hl=en&ei=yOzQSoP9EZWI6wOX5sznAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CCsQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=jews%20from%20arab%20countries%20to%20Israel%20migration&f=false
The UN 1948 Plan assigned parts of historical Palestine to a Jewish State and part to a Palestinian State - see this map
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank
so there was a home for the Palestinian refugees - albeit considerably smaller than their original homeland. What has happened to that home? Over the last 60 years it has been systematically and often violently eroded by the Israelis to the extent that it is no longer viable as a state. Short of a massive migration of Israeli settlers which would be politically unacceptable in Israel the two state solution is dead.
Another way to recognize a zealot is that they refuse to accept the facts. I am sure you are not one.
You are right grappler. There were many similarities between the way Jews were "pressured to leave" Arab countries, and Palestinians were "pressured to leave" Israel / Palestine. The Jews though were luckier since the countries they fled into (Israel and France) allowed them to rebuild their lives, unlike the Arab countries (with UN's aid) which by large kept the Palestinian refugees in camps for 60 years +
I also agree with you that the future Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza could be a home to the Palestinian refugees. You blame only the Israeli settlers for making the above impossible. Since I already know you accept facts and that you’re open minded enough to learn new information, I feel it’s not a waste of time to refer you to the Israeli proposal in Camp David 2000, which was rejected by the Palestinian leadership (Arafat)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit
"In the Israeli proposal, a limited number of refugees would be allowed to return to Israel on the basis of humanitarian considerations or family reunification. All other people currently classified as Palestinian refugees would be settled in their present place of inhabitance, the Palestinian state, or third-party countries. An international fund would be set up, to which Israel would contribute along with other countries, that would register claims for compensation of property and make payments within the limits of its resources."
“…The Israelis also argued that a larger number of Jewish refugees had fled or were expelled from Arab countries since 1948, and were not compensated, and that most of them ended up in Israel.”
Actually your figures are exaggerated. It's closer to 600,000. But, that's a trivial issue in the context of this discussion.
As for the so-called expulsion, you're obfuscating the truth yet again. I'm not surprised.
During and around 1948, Jewish militias massacred Palestinians, demolished entire villages - Israeli historians themselves put the figure close to 480 villages - and planned and plotted for years the expulsion of Palestinians from their land.
Ben Gurion himself along with Begin and others belonged to various militias (some were terrorist organizations) and gangs whose goal was the expulsion of Palestinian residents, through intimidation etc. Then in the 1940s Ben Gurion implemented his Plan D (Tochnit Dalet, in Hebrew) which was again a systematic methodical process to remove as many Arabs as possible.
In contrast, what happened to Jews in Arab states was a combination of several factors:
1. Many Jews were lured to the "Land of Milk and Honey" by Israeli propaganda.
Sadly, when they arrived to the promised land, their European Jewish overlords put them in tent cities. Then they had to re-build their life from scratch, working menial jobs as laborers.
2. In cases were discrimination and/or persecution may have been the impetuous, it was a result of a backlash in response to what Israel had done to the Palestinians. Case in point: Moroccan Jews didn't start immigrating to Israel until the 1950s.
3. As the other poster indicated regarding Iraq, many, in other states did not leave due to pressure, persecution or any systematic programs. I personally know many Iraqi Jews who to this day, speak of the wealth and luxury they had in Iraq and speak with resentment at their treatment when they first arrived in Israel.
Did you know that Arab (Sephardi) Jews were sprayed with DDT upon their arrival in Israel. To this day, European Jews look down at Sephardi Jews. Alas, the only uniting force that keeps all these Jewish groups united under the Israeli banner is the constant fear-mongering and threat of the "enemy" which the Israeli government brainwashes them into believing.
I'll close with this: There are close to 25,000 Jews in Iran today. Why did they stay? Why haven't they moved to Israel?
Your argument doesn't hold water, but you come back time and time again trying to defend something that which you lack the true information to defend. Or, perhaps, you're just feigning ignorance as many before you have.
The main difference between the Jewish refugees and the Palestinians refugees is that the Jews were settled in their new countries and the Palestinians were kept as refugees till these days.
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For the sake of argument, let's pretend that Zionism never existed. Would Jews from Arab states have faced the "pressure" to leave?
How is it possible, that Jews, Muslims and Christians were living in the Middle East for centuries without any conflict, and then after 1948 tensions started?
Could it possibly have SOMETHING to do with Israel?
So what's your point about the "resettlement" of refugees on either side, anyway?
Do you find it shocking that neighboring Arab states have yet to assimilate Palestinian refugees because that doesn't mesh with your view that "All Arabs are the same"?
1. Why should any state have to bare the burden of a massive influx of refugees?
Here's an example, when the US invaded Iraq and created 4 million refugees, would it have been reasonable to expect Syria or Jordan to facilitate their assimilation?
2. How come after WWII - and to this day - Israel has blackmailed Germany, Austria, Sweden, Belgium, France, Italy, Denmark and the Netherlands to pay reparations for the property Jews lost as a result of WWII and as a result of the Holocaust?
Why don't the Palestinians deserve the same treatment?
3. The entire Zionist enterprise was BASED on bringing Jews to Israel. Heck, in the 1990s an entire Mossad operation was dedicated to flying the Ethiopian Falasha in secret into Israel.
Your argument simply doesn't hold water and the comparison is absurd.
Just because you're spreading the blame - "there are zealots in[sic] all sides" - doesn't make it true, nor does it justify Israel's actions to this day.
Go fly a kite.
Hey George, I hope a bomb wipes that shit eating smile off your face.
Israel is nothing but a CRIMINAL AND ROGUE STATE!!!!!
The REAL TERRORIST STATE in the Middle East is ISRAEL!!!!!!
The nation of Israel was formed by TERRORISTS from the Haganah, Stern Gang and the Irgun......Menachem Begin and Rabin were both in these Israeli Terrorist Gangs too!!!!!
Israel is the nation which invented the car bomb as well....
ActionJackson62: "Israel is the nation which invented the car bomb..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_bomb
The first car bomb may have been the one used for the assassination attempt on Ottoman Sultan Abdul Hamid II in 1905 in Istanbul by Armenian separatists, in the command of Belgian anarchist Edward Jorris.
Not that this particular issue makes any difference in regard to the current situation, but citing Wikipedia is as good as citing text from the inside of a bubble gum wrapper. Bazooka Joe wasn't a scholar. And, adding insult to injury, that particular claim on Wikipedia isn't cited. No source is provided.
But, whatever. It's not like Wikipedia has moderators who are either Israeli or pro-Israeli who ban anyone providing evidence that contravenes with Israel's propaganda.
Expect these apologists to be very knee-jerked in their responses...
Their propaganda like responses are so knee-jerked in those very tight and fragile brains they have.
To be silly as you, I will be here for a moment.
To invent does not mean to necessarily use.....
So Israel could invent a bomb but not necessarily be the first ones to use such a weapon.
Scientists can invent but might not be the ones who actually use it first....
I do not ever recall saying that Israel actually used the car bomb first, but, invented such devices....that was your knee jerk response, albeit, in your case, a predictable one, surely.