General Strike.

The Democrats seem determined to shoot themselves in the foot yet again. Can you say "GOP Majority?"

WASHINGTON –
The 15-8 rejection marked a victory for Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the committee chairman, who is hoping to push his middle-of-the-road measure through the panel by week's end. It also kept alive the possibility that at least one Republican may yet swing behind the bill, a key goal of both Baucus and the White House.

Someone should tell Baucus that the only thing in "the middle of the road" is roadkill. No Deathpaneler is going to get behind anything that will upset their corporate sponsors.

Kill the bill. Nuke the Filibuster, Then write a bill that actually does something for the taxpayer, and doesnt just line the pockets of Big Health

"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats

Ah, yes, well, there you have it. No progress to be made in this quadrennial. What will it take?

ITS TIME FOR A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE. WE NEED TO DO THIS
IN OUR TOWNS AND LET OUR FRIENDS PASS IT ON TO THEIRS!
THE TIME FOR BEING A COUNTRY OF TOMS IS PAST AND THIS COUL
BE THE FIRST AND REALLY ONLY STEP LEFT TO US TO TURN
AMERIKA BACK TO AMERICA!

So much for 'public' healthcare.

And you have that whole H1N1 flu 'pandemic' coming... should be fun to watch when the 'mandatory' vaccinations come to town.

Have fun.

Walk in peace.

"Moderate Democrats oppose it."

They aren't moderates, nor democrats. They are BARBARIANS.

Not much surprise there as the US is a majority one party state (corporatists) with a few liberals on the other end.

I'd love to have a national strike myself but it really won't do much good

Right now there is so much unemployment that there is an unlimited pool of desperate scab workers. And if for some reason we could get such a strike going either foreign "emergency workers" would be brought in or martial law would be declared and our democracy would be over.

You remember the "three box" rule conservatives like so much

Soap
Ballot
Cartridge

use in that order. The 1st box is clearly no longer working, so we'll go to the second. Its had some impact just not enough. If elections turn out to be bogus or the system is so crooked then well, the future is hazy. Ask again later.

We hol d these truths to be self-evident, that all men are not created equal, that they are endowed by their Insurer with certain revokable privileges, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure OUR rights, Insurers are instituted above Men, deriving their powers from cash to the Congress, That whenever the People becomes destructive of our bottom line, it is the Right of the Insurer to alter or to abolish their coverage, and to institute new Insurance requirements, laying their foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect the Health Care Insustry's Financial Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Insurance Policies long established should always be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is unfortunately their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future HEALTH.

"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats

HIT THE STREETS!!!

The Democrats will be begging for votes next year prior to the mid-term election. I have no pity for any of them anymore.

The Democratic Party can afford to let a few Democrats be gamebreakers and vote against the public interest because those Democrats have the political strength to hold their seats. Meanwhile the remaining Democrats can vote in the public interest knowing that the bills won't pass anyways.

FAILURE. THE FINAL BETRAYAL.

GENERAL STRIKE.

Only pass the insurance reform parts of this bill (no pre-existing condition denials, etc).

Do NOT pass the part that is a giveaway to the insurance companies. (Maybe they'd like the trade off: "yes, you can regulate us a bit, but give us windfall in new customers at our prices with Uncle Sam paying the bill.")

No way. No money to subsidize for-profit insurance coverage.

So is this the best Demomcrats can do once they are the majority?
Very sad.

I just sent my senator this message:

"Senator Cantwell,
Please do not consider running for re-election."

(I also just finished moving the last of my IRA assets offshore.)

What was that tag line in Orwell's 1984 about Betrayal?

Donate here to run ads in Max Baucus' state:
http://www.actblue.com/page/baucuspublicoption

My honest and most sincere condolences to you all. From this angle it appears as though nothing of any worth will come from this. Everyone deserves appropriate, free health care but that is not going to happen. Your federal administration betrayed you and the effects will be felt in many other areas and most certainly in the apathy and cynicism that will be in evidence during your next presidential election. It wasn't just the insurance companies who won; all those who profit from an impoverished, sick and frightened populace have.

I find the entire for profit insurance industry criminal and murderous. It is well known that 45,000 Americans die every year, one every 7 minutes or so because they do not have access to health care.

Baucus is well aware of this fact. He is, by his action to save the for profit insurance corporations, complicit in these deaths.

Many have faced a firing squad for less grievous crimes.

All the talk about 60 votes is complete B.S. This bill is not going to pass without a reconciliation process after something passes both houses of Congress. Reconciliation bills only require 50 votes plus the Vice President and 50 Democratic Senators have already pledged to vote for a bill with a public option. To hell with the Republicans and I really think Baucus, that dimwitted idiot, should face a firing squad for his corruption and his crimes.

There are still three acts to be played out in this drama, and this was to be expected from the most conservative of the five committees considering bills.

Nevertheless, it is time to start planning a general strike and some TRULY SERIOUS civil disobedience, particularly if the final product contains individual mandates (which it certainly will) without effective provisions to supply a uniform standard of affordable care for all citizens with strict regulation of insurance company practices. That is the bare minimum that is required for the insurance product to be anything other than defective.

For me, that disobedience will consist of:

1. Refusal to purchase insurance.
2. Refusal to cooperate with any government agency, including the IRS, that tries to levy a fine or penalty against me.
3. Pleading no contest to any criminal charges that might ensue, and accepting jail time while refusing to pay any fines.
4. Refusal to participate in the health care system in any way. That is to say that I will not give consent for, or accept financial responsibility for, any conveyance or treatment by any medical or paramedical organization. I do not expect, nor do I wish, to be treated under some charity regime or sub-prime clinical arrangement. I will accept the consequences of non-treatment, including possible death.

And I will leave it to the Congress to figure out how to dispose of me.

Why is anyone surprised? It's an open secret that Baucus and friends are owned by the insurance industry. It's an open secret that none of these people have any clue about what it's like to work for a living and pay bills. None of them have a clue about what it's like to deal with the foul and rapacious businesses that they take money from. Nor do any of them really care. They are concerned only with staying in power, with keeping their perks and privilege and entree to the big money. And they get the big money by enabling the corporations to steal the money from your pocket, from your paycheck. You are being crushed and it will only get worse. If this stands and if the financial sector isn't brought to heel, there will be blood. That is inevitable.

Monday, Raul Grijalva, co-chair of the CPC, wrote this:

http://thehill.com/special-reports/healthcare-september-23-2009/59861-public-option--accept-nothing-less

I expect they have over 38 members to vote down anything with a weak or no public option. So if they do, no bill passes, and President Obama will have some thinking to do about his approach.

And WE will have to decide what to do to fix this corrupt corporate, totalitarian regime.

Congratulations to president Obama!

This is exactly what he set out to achieve - get more money for the corporations who own him.

Baucus really needs some investigating to see how much money he has and is making by dragging this out to make sure the insurance companies get a huge slice of the mandatory public health program pie being forced down our throats, with lots of thanks from the jerks who elected these bastards to surpress the people even more and the criminals that bribe these traitors to get what corporate america wants and the american people get absolutely nothing in return except maybe incarceration in one of those private contrator 'hotels'.

And after this, Obama will appear on TV, giving another speech.

Watch Obama talk.

Talk talk talk.

That's all he does. Talk.

See the people watch Obama talk.

Watch watch watch.

What does Obama actually Do?

Talk talk talk.

Watch him talk about how it will soon be necessary to implement stringent controls on daily life because so many people are mad at him.

See the corporations pat him on the head for being a good boy. Good, good boy.

That is, until they decide he is a liability, and must be put down.

Bye-bye, Obama, Bye-bye.

Let's see you talk your way out of this one.

Walk in peace.

"Republicans countered that the proposals would lead to the demise of the private insurance industry and result in a system that is completely run by the government."

That is exactly the idea.

Obama endorsed this position when he said that starting from scratch single payer would be the best system.

Lets start from scratch!

It's time to get angry.

"In Guinea, 157 protesters killed, rape reported"

Is this anything different than what our senate just did to the American people?

Progressives have been sold out. No votes for Democrats (at least Republicans can throw a bone to their base). No longer a Democrat. But always a Progressive.

So now tax money will subsidize a bloated insurance industry with little to no regulation. I will wear my Jefferson t-shirt tomorrow.

Give me Single-Payer or give me death. Because without Single-Payer we're all dead anyway without health coverage.

General Strike: The militarized police and the War Department (Pentagon) are useless against peaceful resistance.

"Nazis were actually relieved when the resistance turned to violence because it gave them an excuse to use more drastic and suppressive measures.

According to military historian Basil Lidell Hart, who had the unique opportunity to interview German generals imprisoned in Britain after the war, "other forms of resistance baffled them" because "they were experts in violence, and had been trained to deal with opponents who used that method."

Published on Saturday, September 19, 2009
Enough Already with WWII Film Violence
by Bryan Farrell
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/09/19-0

Just calm down ,

its round one,

it aint over till the fat lady with clogged arteries and a bad heart falls over and drops dead.

"victory for Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the committee chairman, who is hoping to push his middle-of-the-road measure"

Middle of what road?

"Republicans countered that the proposals would lead to the demise of the private insurance industry and result in a system that is completely run by the government."

Private profits are more important than lives.

Baucus sez: "My job is to put together a bill that gets to 60 votes" in the full Senate ...

-- I don't remember hearing that job requirement come up in your oath of office, dude.

Baucus also sez: "No one shows me how to get to 60 votes with a public option."

-- Misquote. He actually said "No one PAYS me to get to 60 votes with a public option."

A disgraceful outcome. So called "moderate" Democrats and their Republican friends are bought. They choose their corporate benefactors over the health of the American people. Shame!

The US mainstream media sure knows how to call the middle of a far right primrose path piece of rat do do "moderate." Can anyone seriously now fail to see why the USA is going to hell in hand basket? As a small businessman and also a victim of US health insurance industry dominate US health care, I say along I'm sure with tens of millions of others, vote this piece rat excrement down and stand up for the people of the USA.

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If supporting universal single payer health insurance for all Americans, was about getting votes from we the people, they all would be voting for this public option. But obviously it is about corporate campaign contribution, and the other perks that they receive.
So why do we continue, year after year, donating money to any of them? Why do we volunteer our time campaigning for them? Does the word sucker come to mind.
Have a good day everyone.

Marian Cole
These people do not represent anyone but the people who are lining their pockets to maintain the current theft of our Health Care. What a 4+ disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are their constituents listening? I wonder if they know they can be replaced?

I think that if the progressives would begin boycotting any corporate business; grocery, pharmacy, retail,fast food, coffee shops, etc., and began patronizing ONLY small mom and pop local businesses with no corporate affiliation, even though it will cost a little more, soon the corporate profits would fall. All corporations are bad for children and other human beings! There is not one that puts humanity before profit! Health insurance and big pharmacy are just an example. It's time to fight them at every point. Boycotting is just an easy way to start until we ramp up to physical confrontation!