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Scientists Worry Machines May Outsmart Man
Impressed and alarmed by advances in artificial intelligence, a group of computer scientists is debating whether there should be limits on research that might lead to loss of human control over computer-based systems that carry a growing share of society’s workload, from waging war to chatting with customers on the phone.
Predator drones, like this one in Afghanistan, still need a human hand to work, at least for now. (General Atomics Aeronautical Systems) Their concern is that further advances could create profound social disruptions and even have dangerous consequences.
As examples, the scientists pointed to a number of technologies as diverse as experimental medical systems that interact with patients to simulate empathy, and computer worms and viruses that defy extermination and could thus be said to have reached a “cockroach” stage of machine intelligence.
While the computer scientists agreed that we are a long way from Hal, the computer that took over the spaceship in “2001: A Space Odyssey,” they said there was legitimate concern that technological progress would transform the work force by destroying a widening range of jobs, as well as force humans to learn to live with machines that increasingly copy human behaviors.
The researchers — leading computer scientists, artificial intelligence researchers and roboticists who met at the Asilomar Conference Grounds on Monterey Bay in California — generally discounted the possibility of highly centralized superintelligences and the idea that intelligence might spring spontaneously from the Internet. But they agreed that robots that can kill autonomously are either already here or will be soon.
They focused particular attention on the specter that criminals could exploit artificial intelligence systems as soon as they were developed. What could a criminal do with a speech synthesis system that could masquerade as a human being? What happens if artificial intelligence technology is used to mine personal information from smart phones?
The researchers also discussed possible threats to human jobs, like self-driving cars, software-based personal assistants and service robots in the home. Just last month, a service robot developed by Willow Garage in Silicon Valley proved it could navigate the real world.
A report from the conference, which took place in private on Feb. 25, is to be issued later this year. Some attendees discussed the meeting for the first time with other scientists this month and in interviews.
The conference was organized by the Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence, and in choosing Asilomar for the discussions, the group purposefully evoked a landmark event in the history of science. In 1975, the world’s leading biologists also met at Asilomar to discuss the new ability to reshape life by swapping genetic material among organisms. Concerned about possible biohazards and ethical questions, scientists had halted certain experiments. The conference led to guidelines for recombinant DNA research, enabling experimentation to continue.
The meeting on the future of artificial intelligence was organized by Eric Horvitz, a Microsoft researcher who is now president of the association.
Dr. Horvitz said he believed computer scientists must respond to the notions of superintelligent machines and artificial intelligence systems run amok.
The idea of an “intelligence explosion” in which smart machines would design even more intelligent machines was proposed by the mathematician I. J. Good in 1965. Later, in lectures and science fiction novels, the computer scientist Vernor Vinge popularized the notion of a moment when humans will create smarter-than-human machines, causing such rapid change that the “human era will be ended.” He called this shift the Singularity.
This vision, embraced in movies and literature, is seen as plausible and unnerving by some scientists like William Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems. Other technologists, notably Raymond Kurzweil, have extolled the coming of ultrasmart machines, saying they will offer huge advances in life extension and wealth creation.
“Something new has taken place in the past five to eight years,” Dr. Horvitz said. “Technologists are replacing religion, and their ideas are resonating in some ways with the same idea of the Rapture.”
The Kurzweil version of technological utopia has captured imaginations in Silicon Valley. This summer an organization called the Singularity University began offering courses to prepare a “cadre” to shape the advances and help society cope with the ramifications.
“My sense was that sooner or later we would have to make some sort of statement or assessment, given the rising voice of the technorati and people very concerned about the rise of intelligent machines,” Dr. Horvitz said.
The A.A.A.I. report will try to assess the possibility of “the loss of human control of computer-based intelligences.” It will also grapple, Dr. Horvitz said, with socioeconomic, legal and ethical issues, as well as probable changes in human-computer relationships. How would it be, for example, to relate to a machine that is as intelligent as your spouse?
Dr. Horvitz said the panel was looking for ways to guide research so that technology improved society rather than moved it toward a technological catastrophe. Some research might, for instance, be conducted in a high-security laboratory.
The meeting on artificial intelligence could be pivotal to the future of the field. Paul Berg, who was the organizer of the 1975 Asilomar meeting and received a Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1980, said it was important for scientific communities to engage the public before alarm and opposition becomes unshakable.
“If you wait too long and the sides become entrenched like with G.M.O.,” he said, referring to genetically modified foods, “then it is very difficult. It’s too complex, and people talk right past each other.”
Tom Mitchell, a professor of artificial intelligence and machine learning at Carnegie Mellon University, said the February meeting had changed his thinking. “I went in very optimistic about the future of A.I. and thinking that Bill Joy and Ray Kurzweil were far off in their predictions,” he said. But, he added, “The meeting made me want to be more outspoken about these issues and in particular be outspoken about the vast amounts of data collected about our personal lives.”
Despite his concerns, Dr. Horvitz said he was hopeful that artificial intelligence research would benefit humans, and perhaps even compensate for human failings. He recently demonstrated a voice-based system that he designed to ask patients about their symptoms and to respond with empathy. When a mother said her child was having diarrhea, the face on the screen said, “Oh no, sorry to hear that.”
A physician told him afterward that it was wonderful that the system responded to human emotion. “That’s a great idea,” Dr. Horvitz said he was told. “I have no time for that.”
Ken Conley/Willow Garage
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35 Comments so far
Show AllA real understanding of ethics should be an integral part of all engineering and policial degrees. Unfortunately at present, ethics is treated very superficially, or as a joke.
While there will always be immoral people who will be willing to design and build the machines such as the drones that the US is currently using, such activities, just like torture, are too easily shrugged off as "business as usual".
Another great place to start introducing ethics could be the free software community. What if every Linux and other open source license included Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics as legal requirements?
The fear that machines will become self-aware and act without human control or any concern for human values may be real, but it is nothing new. Witness the behavior of many 'leaders' - political and corporate - who are self-aware, act independently and without human values.
It wouldn't surprise me that some sharp corporate type with political sponsorship will one day put together a 'soldier' with the potential for independent action (since the military is where this will inevitably start) that decides that people in general are viable enemies and acts accordingly.
Machines are already "smarter" than humans in many ways, but that's not the problem. The problem is that machines that have power to launch nuclear missiles without humans are complex and can fail. We need to get our nuclear defense systems off hair trigger.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1217-01.htm
A physician has no time for empathy? Obviously no time to get to know his/her patients. We need care providers who are familiar with their patients. Nurses know it saves lives when they are familiar with their patients. The early symptoms of a patient going sour are subtle, and if a nurse hasn't been able to spend enough time with the patient, she/he will not catch that change. It can be the difference between life and death.
I had to look up Asimov's three rules.
1. A robot may not injure a human being or through inaction allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
Unfortunately they appear unenforceable for those with less than honorable intentions. A Pandora's box kind of like genetic modification where we now have modified genes jumping fences. We may well succeed in bringing down life on this planet as we know it. How many different ways can we devise for destroying life with having one of them do it? Eventually this planet may have nothing on it but insects eating each other with robots chasing them around.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Obimbo is a machine, as is Sarah Palin.
Goldman Sachs is a machine.
The MSM and the MIC are machines and, yes, they are all "smarter" than mere humans. They never sleep. Their appetites are never satisfied. There's never enough power, money or people to fuck over and humiliate. They don't run on gasoline or solar power. They run on gall and nastiness. Put a stethoscope to their chests and their hearts sound like a chainsaw.
Good post Mord,
Don't forget ex-Vice President Darth Viper: "He is more machine now than man; twisted and evil." - Obiwon KaNader
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Cut to the Bilderberg Group:
CIA Director George Tenet: "The CD rebels are more organized and dangerous than you know."
General Tommy Franks: "The rebels are dangerous to your funding Tenet, NOT to this Pentagon Battle Station; with our Automated AI Predator drones we can destroy the whole planet if we have to."
Darth Viper: "The ability to destroy a planet is nothing, compared to the power of the Internet Force".
General Franks: "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion Lord Cheney, has not allowed you to recover the Bill of Rights nor has it given you clairvoyance enough to eliminate Common Dreams where the rebels live....or to destroy the Constitution gag gag gag!"
SOUND OF FRANKS SHIRT COLLAR SNAPPING AND SHRINKING
Darth Viper: "I find your lack of faith disturbing"
General Franks: "Cough! Choke! Gag!"
Bushmonkey: "Enough! Viper, Release him. It's just a GD piece of paper; besides, with the Patriot Act at our disposal, we will destroy all liberty with one swift stroke. Then we will pass the Military Commissions Act, bomb for oil, rob the treasury and the rest of the systems will fall in line."
Meanwhile, somewhere in cyberspace, Captain Han Feingold and his trusty Wookie co-pilot ChewKucinich warm up the Grassroots Millennium Falcon for hyperspace.....
NICE!
These machines are part of the GROUP OF 300, the SYSTEM, the CABAL, the CANCER on humanity.
a number of areas of science have a 'best not go there' feel to them, yet we seem unable to do so...which is why one can only hope survivable environmental upheaval trumps advancing technological capabilities...
genial Dr. Jekyll appears unable to resist unleashing the brutality of Mr. Hyde...eventually, Hyde comes into his own, no longer needing the potion at all...interesting...
As an IT worker, I find this to be completely laughable. Machines are built based on what people want them to be. You can always reprogram them. I think these scientists have been watching too many cartoons or these scientist are being paid by politicians to cover their bacon !
I wouldn't call it 'laughable', but would suggest that if possible at all, it is a long way off.
But you are, of course, assuming 'programmers' with honorable intentions or without a destructive personal agenda or mental illness - and machine code that doesn't contain errors and doesn't 'evolve' over time in unpredictable ways.
Since programming 'real-time' cognitive decision making for every contingency is extremely complicated, if not impossible, one must assume the use of 'expert' systems as part of the operating code that 'learns' from experience. Who knows what such a complicated system will learn and what it will do with its learning?
Anybody heard of incompleteness? Undecidability? NP-completeness? I don't think we have to worry about sentient machines any time soon.
However, if you're peddling a book about speculative science, articles like this can really help the bottom line.
Sentient machines ARE a long way off, but that is different from machines that do things that we do not understand.
Does anyone in the world know how Windows works? (Yeah I know, it doesn't work.) The point is, the complexity of these modern systems has already gone beyond our human understanding so the machines do unpredictable things. Combine that with giving machines autonomous behavior and we do have a problem. No the machine is not going to "think" and turn against its masters. (Although is does seems sometimes like my PC has turned against me.) But these systems will have bugs and, in the case of a machine designed to kill, it kills what it perceives it should, even if it is wrong. (Of course it is always wrong to kill, but the designers don't care.)
I am reminded of the attitude of a weapons designer during the Vietnam war:
It was not her responsibility what the machines were doing; that was the responsibility of the soldier in the field who pushed the button.
And it was not the soldier's responsibility, he was just following orders.
And it was not the military leaders' responsibility, they were just following the directives from the politicians.
And it was not politician's responsibility, they were just following what their constituents said, and besides, we have to protect our troops.
So it's our fault.
It is time to stop these programs now.
Ray Berthiaume
I think this expresses true wisdom. Thank you.
they must have been watching 'dark star' the movie...............
It would serve to remind people that computer scientists and programmers have been searching for the holy grail of AI for more than 50 years.
So far, they have yet to create anything as smart as a cockroach, let alone a human. Yes, I know that there are some very good simulations. But they are in no way capable of original thought or more than LIMITED problem solving.
Walk in peace.
And da Vinci was stupid to study flight.
Drones are flown today in skies of states which do not have fighter planes or, in the case of Pakistan, are unwilling to use them. I bet that the current drones can be shot down easily by the Spitfire or Messerschmitt 109 of WW2.
Today's drones are the technological grandchildren of the Nazi V-1 'Buzzbomb'. The advancement of the US military after WWII was in large part due to 'Project Paperclip' and the relocation of Nazi scientists to the US.
Walk in peace.
Jeevee
Please give your readers precise web pages so we can check this out.
Here we go. Took me all of 30 seconds to find basics of both arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_paperclip
The Nazi scientists were given the best treatment, and allowed and encouraged to continue and expand on their work.
Just look at the record of NASA's fair haired boy, Werner VonBraun...
The V1, which was propelled by repeated "fuel ignitions" (I saw several of them fly by over Amsterdam), was slow enough to be shot down easily by the RAF's Spitfire. However, because the "buzzbomb" would almost certainly explode when hit and thereby endanger the Spitfire the pilots used "wingtipping" over the North Sea or the Channel to down them. Given the technology available in current fighter planes that is no longer necessary. In addition, drones can probably be shot down by hand-held surface-to-air missiles. The Taliban no longer has such missiles because we bought them back from the Mujaheddin after the defeat of the Soviets in Afghanistan but the Pakistan army must have such missiles. They just do not use them.
Yes the drones are being used against armed (or unarmed) peasants, not a country that has or is willing to use an air force.
Soon, we will be those unarmed peasants.
can anyone say Cyberdyne Systems?
it looks like those nutcases in the pentagon are dying to bring reality to what is still Hollywood fiction......
My toaster is smarter than most Republicans.
"Scientists Worry Machines May Outsmart Man"
It isn't like the bar is that high.
I am not a scientist or engineer, and so have no real creds here. But anyway.
the idea was first suggested by Sioux Rose. What if a peaceful hacker got into a drone's system, and reprogrammed it to go back and bomb Nevada, instead of Afghanistan? oops that's not peaceful is it?
sorry. but suppose we just hit the building where all those brave soldiers are pulling their joysticks?
"They focused particular attention on the specter that criminals could exploit artificial intelligence systems as soon as they were developed" ... as if criminals are not already using them!
Criminals are using automatic navigation to fly murderous drones. They are using pattern recognition to aim missiles on innocent people and civilian structures. They are mining information from illegal, massive collections of phone conversations and emails. They are using viruses to destroy the cyberware of other nations. They are seeding social networks with messages to create dissent artificially against the governments they don't like.
We should worry about the criminal use of AI by any one, including our own governments.
Good comment.
Joe
I wonder what a robot, fed with all historical data and political knowledge, would vote for.
Termination of all Homo sapiens in a nanosecond.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Haha, I was waiting for that ;-)
Seriously. an A.I. that used logic rather than profit to make decisions would probably run things better anyways.
The article says, "Other technologists, notably Raymond Kurzweil, have extolled the coming of ultrasmart machines, saying they will offer huge advances in life extension and wealth creation".
Now either he's a complete idiot, is very clueless about reality, or he's blatantly lying, for anyone understanding how this world is run, controlled, ... by the ruling "elites" would know very well that there'll be some "wealth creation", but that'll again go to the rich, won't be benefiting general populations. And "life extension"? Get real. The ruling "elites" don't care about helping people to live longer unless there's profit in it for them. There may have been, so far, from some technological inventions being used, but that again is because it was profitable for the "elites" who profited. After all, if the "elites" in the U.S. really cared about helping to "extend life" for people in general, then they'd demand that the government establish a very good single-payer, universal health care system, but they work wholly against this, instead. If they told the government to do it, then the politicians would.
If they said they demand to have Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, ... other good political candidates running for the presidency fully participating in campaign debates, then we can count on it that they'd always be fully included; instead of unconstitutionally barred from participating in six debates in a single primary season, as happened to Dennis Kucinich due to GE arranging, say, for MSNBC to do this, while the Dem. Party leadership clearly went along with the anti-constitutional and anti-democratic, ... act, silently. They don't want Dennis Kucinich, he mustn't have a real chance of becoming President; he's "bad for business", worse than not profitable, for the "elites", as they see the question.
If they really cared about people in general, then they'd never try to corrupt The People's government and democracy; they'd never try to work the government into war-making; they'd never sit silently while the government allows corporations to criminally pollute and destroy the natural environment; there's a lot they wouldn't do that they've been long doing, if they really [cared] about others.
They don't and we shouldn't naively expect that to change unless it's with massive pressure and major corrections in the government's conduct. And that'd be very, very difficult to achieve.
If they truly cared, truly had moral consciences we could trust, then the analogy of Satan tempting Jesus of Nazareth in the desert would be fitting, and it's strongly fitting with our reality, world. The temptation? Satan offered to Jesus that if he abandoned his loyalty to God to, instead, serve Satan, then Satan would grant Jesus dominion over this whole world, the planet and all of its human populations, and all of the material wealth he could then desire. True or not, that story of Satan and Jesus in the desert, the story minimally is strongly fitting for metaphorical analogy when considering the conduct of the real ruling "elites" of our governments! If the story was true though, then we're in BIG trouble, for then it'd certainly seem that the ruling "elites" among humans have indeed chosen to be sons of not God, but of the father of lies and murder, usury, etcetera.
It's how they conduct themselves, but have they actually made this above choice? Well, I guess it doesn't matter, for what counts most is their conduct; well, pragmatically speaking, anyway.
And even if they come to develop superintelligent robots and these do provide some material comforts, it's only the rich that'll be able to afford these machines, anyway. So that'll go to them, as well as all of the related wealth; the general populations, as reality presently is, won't be able to afford these machines, so we won't be putting money into the pockets of the rich by buying these contraptions.
Robotics isn't all bad. F.e., the little robots used for defusing or removing and discarding of bombs; it's better that one of them get blown up, than it would be for a human. And for people who are very or severely handicapped, maybe robots could be useful. But there needs to be controls and what have humans well controlled of human inventions, so far? What starts out seeming good ends up to be a benefit that's seriously outweighed by all of the bad done with the same discoveries; like with the atomic theory, f.e. While it might help people with some health problems, the war-making use and the toxic poisoning of the natural environment far outweigh any benefits gained.
People have become too materialistic. We gravely neglect care of the natural environment and this has been "biting" us for long enough already, while the situation evidently isn't going to really improve anytime soon. It's not going to improve soon, for the course is on getting worse, still.
Masochistic, sadistic, ... materialists!
So superintelligent robots will help extend life and create wealth, eh. Like when they said that computers would reduce work weeks while people would still be able to maintain their standard of living; something that still hasn't become true, yet?!
Such people cannot be believed, trusted! They're sociopaths, pathological liars, possibly deluded, ....
Share a great cartoon I saw a while back---
Two robot-aliens in a flying saucer hover above earth deep in discussion. One says, "That's ridiculous, meat can't think."
People may find that the AAAI site has some more details on the study. There's an interim report there: http://www.aaai.org/Organization/presidential-panel.php