Afghanistan Exit Could Bring Escalated Air War
TORONTO - Amid reports that the Barack Obama administration is quietly lobbying the Conservative government in Ottawa to keep Canadian troops in Afghanistan's Kandahar province beyond 2011, Stephen Harper is finding himself in an increasingly awkward dilemma.
The Canadian prime minister needs to appease a popular U.S. president who just deployed 4,000 Marines in a new Afghan offensive in Helmand, and at the same time avoid further alienating a war-weary electorate.
One recent national poll revealed that 54 percent of Canadians oppose the Canadian military contribution to the NATO mission in Afghanistan.
The Conservatives are looking pretty unsteady on this file. A few weeks back, the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs made haste to contradict Defense Minister Peter MacKay when he suggested the government was considering lifting Canada's decade-old arms embargo against Pakistan.
The uncertainty surrounding Canada's continued involvement in Afghanistan has increased as the war against the Taliban spreads across the porous border into northwest Pakistan, said Shibil Siddiqui, a Pakistan-born, Toronto-based research analyst on central Asian affairs. He was recently consulted on the region in Ottawa by Foreign Affairs.
"I think Canada is only now waking to the possibility of having sort of a specific engagement with Pakistan around this issue," he told IPS. "I don't think there is a very coherent or effective Pakistani policy so far."
But Steven Staples, president of the Rideau Institute in Ottawa and a defence analyst, told IPS it is quite possible that the Harper government already has a clear idea of its post-2011 mandate - and that air strikes, which the Canadians haven't used so far, could be a major component.
Case in point, Staple said, is the March announcement that the Canadian Department of National Defense will be spending half a billion dollars on new armed drones (unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs) to be available in 2012 and similar to the Predators and Reapers used by the U.S. in its air strikes in Pakistan.
"While the role of ground troops may diminish simply because the army is exhausted from years of war, the air force could be called upon to support the U.S.-led combat mission through air strikes by CF-18 fighter bombers or armed drones," Staples said.
He predicted that Canada is about to repeat the mistakes made by its NATO allies, whose aircraft killed more than 500 Afghan civilians in 2008 alone, and by the U.S. in particular, whose drones used for assassination attempts in Pakistan are also responsible for hundreds of civilian deaths.
Not all defense experts, however, worry that the target of the new craft (in departmental parlance called the Joint Unmanned Surveillance Target Acquisition System) will be Pakistan.
"If the concern is that we are going to use drones along the Afghan-Pakistani border, that's unfounded,'' said Lee Windsor of the University of New Brunswick's Gregg Center for the Study of War and Society.
Still, he admitted in an interview with IPS, there's no reason to rule out their use. "There will be circumstances where they could be extremely useful in the way Canada applies deadly force in the mission in Afghanistan," Windsor said.
Another Ottawa-based defense analyst who requested anonymity said he can't "see Canadian UAVs used in Pakistan, for the simple reason that the U.S. has more than enough drones and doesn't want to share that highly classified intelligence it is gathering."
His take is that Canadian drones will be primarily used for domestic coast and Arctic surveillance and in selective international military missions where they would be a cheaper alternative to Canadian troops in the field.
But Yves Engler, author of "The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy", counters that Pakistan is the only place on the planet where a military campaign using UAVs is being conducted. There's no end in sight for an expanded "Af-Pak" war in which Canada has a major stake, he said.
"It is all speculation, [but] the Canadian military is not buying JUSTAS drones to monitor playgrounds in Toronto," Engler told IPS. "Like most Canadian arms purchases, the drones are being acquired with interoperability - supporting U.S. war-making capacities - in mind."
And certainly there's evidence that unmanned bomb conveyors are the war machines of tomorrow. P.W. Singer, the U.S. author of "Wired for War", notes that pilots are an endangered species. He told IPS that the future of warfare can be seen in Pakistan, where drone attacks are remotely controlled by military personnel on an air base near Las Vegas, Nevada.
Countries, he worries, might be tempted to launch attack drones for short-term strategic gains to avoid the sight of dead pilots in body bags. "If you aren't thinking about the risks," he said, "maybe you don't weigh drone attacks the way warfare demands."
It's not just the UAV decision stirring air power speculation. There was also that mysterious little dust-up in April when Major-General Duff Sullivan told reporters he favors deployment of CF-18 fighter planes and that the Department of National Defense is considering the matter.
MacKay's office quickly declared Sullivan mistaken.
His denial is reinforced by DND's Lieutenant Sébastien Monger, who told the publication NOW: "We have a fully operational air wing in Afghanistan [helicopters, unmanned aerial surveillance vehicles]. Canada has no plans to deploy CF-18 fighter aircraft."
So why would a shaky minority government in Ottawa entertain a political nightmare like a Canadian CF-18 misfire and the potential deaths of Afghan civilians?
Some experts think it's plausible that DND could decide to join the air war. "The idea of sending a squadron of CF-18s over there has always been something floated within the academic community paying attention to this," said James Fergusson, head of the Center for Defense and Security Studies at the University of Manitoba.
"What does it mean when we say we're going to end our combat mission? It doesn't mean we can't do other things out of Kandahar," he said.
The University of New Brunswick's Windsor also thinks there's a logic to sending CF-18s. "If Canada wants to maintain a commitment to the total NATO mission, planes might be the way to do it. You can buy some time for the army to recuperate," he said.
Conservative Senator Hugh Segal, the former chair of the Canadian Senate committee on foreign affairs and international trade, says that an entirely new airborne operation of perhaps 200 people, including a squadron of 12 pilots, as well as backup pilots, maintenance and ground crews, is feasible as a replacement for the Canadian combat mission - which currently has close to 3,000 troops in Kandahar.
"There will be many people in the military who would disagree with that," Segal said. "They would say perhaps it is too expensive. It is the wrong theater for those, but the truth of the matter is that the CF-18s have over the last 10 years been modernized."
The senator was referring to new targeting pods in the CF-18s that improve the pilot's view of the ground and potential targets, as well upgraded precision guided munitions. (That is the GBU Unit 49 bombs - the exact same ones raining down on northwest Pakistan by armed U.S. drones).
Although on the outs with the Harper government after being turfed from his Senate committee chairmanship, Senator Segal disagrees with any assertion that the decision has already been made in Ottawa on the planes or other possible options for the Canadian military in Afghanistan.
"You know people often say, 'Are there secret meetings to which we are not being invited, or planned in which we are not being included'? My bet is there is none of the above. I don't know that, but I am just saying from my perspective, my bet is there are no plans. There are probably some options kicking around somewhere, but I don't think they have reached the point of formality that you might call plans."
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Show AllThe article refers to "But Yves Engler, author of "The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy", ...".
Anyone wishing for some related links might want to check out the following ones.
"Author Yves Engler damns foreign policy",
by Carlito Pablo, June 4, 2009
http://www.straight.com/article-227837/author-yves-engler-damns-foreign-policy
That's a good review or overview of things said in the book and which Yves Engler has said himself, I suppose besides the book. And the following is another similar article.
"The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy",
by Kelli Korducki, May 19, 2009
http://this.org/blog/2009/05/19/the-black-book-of-canadian-foreign-policy/
One thing I didn't see mentioned in those two articles is Canada's involvement in the assassination of former and great, excellent Congolese PM Patrice Lumumba; Canada having operated with forces or soldiers of Belgium for this supreme international crime.
Maybe that's referred to in additional articles I had posted links for a little while back about this book.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/06/21-4#comment-1232742
That post includes a linke for an AUDIO, internet radio INTERVIEW with Yves Engler on the book.
The first two articles or reviews, above, and surely others linked in my post of June 21st refer to Canada's criminal involvement in the present war on Iraq, which is something many people probably remain unaware of, including many Canadians. I spoke with some anti-war Quebecers over the past few months and they or at least one of them, who is adamantly against the war in Afghanistan, wasn't aware of Canada's involvement in the Iraq War, at all. And she was a very serious person against the war in Afghanistan. It's certainly not information that I'd expect to find in Canadian "news" media.
That is only one of MANY examples of extremely criminal Canadian government foreign policies; secret foreign policies, that is. Well, secret until exposed, anyway.
Based on what I've read of the views of and book by Yves Engler, he must be one of Canada's top public, known spokes-persons for real peace, justice, social sanity, ....
I'll quote a little that I find particularly interesting in Yves Engler's views, quoting from the above straight.com article.
QUOTE:
Activist and Vancouver-raised author Yves Engler isn’t surprised by the appeal of a made-in-Canada doctrine called the “responsibility to protect”. This doctrine was formulated about eight years ago by an international commission that included then–Harvard academic and current federal Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff.
“I think it’s captivated a big chunk of progressive opinion in Canada because it sounds good,” Engler told the Georgia Straight by phone just before an event in Vancouver that would launch his new book, The Black Book .... ...
Ignatieff is a strong advocate of the concept, which declares that a sovereign state is responsible for protecting its people from crimes against humanity, such as genocide and ethnic cleansing. If a country is unable or unwilling to carry out this duty, that responsibility shifts to the international community. Sovereignty yields to the imperative of humanitarian protection.
While Engler noted that the doctrine touches on a “very humanistic trait”, the Montreal-based writer argued that it’s a “dangerous” principle. “It also speaks to quite a serious political naiveté, and I think quite a sector…of liberal—not in the political-party sense, but in the political sense—opinion that is seduced by imperialism with a nice covering,” he said.
END QUOTE
He's definitely right about the dangerous nature of the "responsibility to protect" doctrine. When our governments are as imperialist, corporatist, ... genocidal, rogue, hypocrite, and hegemonious, as they are, and they pretend to the rest of us that they care about such doctrines pertaining to human rights, life, ..., then it is very dangerous, indeed. Indeed, because too many naive and irresponsible citizens believe these governments will live up to these moral principles and needs, requirements.
Our governments can NOT be counted on for protection, defence of human rights; they piss, shit, ... on our constitutions, human rights charters, Bill of Rights, international laws, conventions and treaties, ... all morally sound principles. It's all and only toilet paper with writing on it, for or to them. Or, they might figure, it could be used to start the fires in their romantic home foyers, fireplaces.
For us to be able to count on our governments to do what's right, "man", do we have major governmental corrections to make, first.
I wonder what polling firm or organisation reported, "that 54 percent of Canadians oppose the Canadian military contribution to the NATO mission in Afghanistan", for I've read more than once over the past year or so that around 70%, or more, of Canadians want Canada OUT of Afghanistan. Why did the writer of the article not specify which firm or organisation reported 54%? Might it be because it's not a reputable source for poll statistics?
Every day I'm glad that I won't live to see the results of what devastation the Bushes/Cheneys/Obamas/that woman in the House of Reps/etc. can impose on mankind.
Their response always is "Well, you don't know what we know! We're privy to highly classified information".
Like the "cover-up" of unexplained, but verified, UFOs. . .
"They're privy to highly classified information".
SICK, SICK, SICK folks. . .and we can't do anything about it.
Get OUT, Canada. . . .while U still can, without losing more face.
"Every day I'm glad that I won't live to see the results of what devastation the Bushes/Cheneys/Obamas/that woman ..."
I THINK it's a little too late for such thinking or hope, because we've been seeing the results for years now. We haven't seen or experienced the full consequences, yet, but we've been seeing results of their diabolical, evil actions and politics.
"Their response always is "Well, you don't know what we know! We're privy to highly classified information".
"They're privy to highly classified information"."
YES, and it deserves being repeated for emphasis. But they are not privy to all of such information, for some of it is "beyond top secret" and very few people will get to learn of this information and these projects. F.e., take what the following article describes for "[beyond] top secret" project works of the US, UK, and also So. Africa; So. Africa during the Apartheid era, anyway.
"Dick Cheney's "Executive Assassination Ring".
Was British Weapons Expert Dr. David Kelly a Target ?",
by Tom Burghardt, July 17, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14423
"Like the "cover-up" of unexplained, but verified, UFOs. . ."
I DO NOT know about UFO's, never having encountered one, not as far as I could be certain of having encountered one anyway. Well, actually, I did see some UFO's. These were objects I saw flying around out in orbit, if not further up, some nights; but while they were UFO's, for I could not possibly identify them, I couldn't say they were the ET, alien kind. If someone threw a frisbie but you couldn't quite make out what it was, only seeing a flying object, then you saw a UFO, because you also couldn't identify it when you saw it flying. UFO; unidentified flying object. Many can therefore be UFO's without being of alien kind.
Intrigues of CIA, RAW, Mossad
Pakistan is fighting war against terror since her nation is against Talibanization. But the US drone policy is not popular amongst the masses here. The government and the general public very rightly take it as interference in our sovereignty. Why Canadian wants to fight American war in the region, I think US has mad fool out of all western and other countries. Pakistan is fighting an enforced war. Many brave soldiers and elements of Security forces have scarified their lives. Her 2.8 million people were internal destabilized. CIA, RAW, Mossad and RAAM are playing their agenda and converted south Asia Pakistan into battle zone. NATO forces instead of fighting war in Afghan territory pushed it into Pakistan. In fact India and US don’t like to see Pakistan as a stable country. Hatter effects are already prevailing in Pakistan people with regard to drone attacks .apart from killing of culprits many innocent people have also been victimized. It is not understood why Canadian are interested to implement US Drone Attacks Policy? Why Canadian wants to play in the hands of CIA determined to fight their war. We all are against terrorism whether it’s in Muslim society, Christian society, Jewish and Hindu society. We should work for state terrorism as being carried out by Indian and Israelis in Kashmir and Palestinian. Obama should control Dick Chennai organization (CIA). At the same time world community should also ask Israel and India to stop storming terrorism through their notorious intelligence agencies. It is worth mentioning here that CIA, RAW, MI – 6 and Mossad has divided the world into regions of their choice. Their basic aims are to rule the regions for fulfilling of their ill motives. . In this connection, these agencies are working independently and enjoying the status of sates within states. I suggest to Canadian to remain away from the American plans and get back their 3000 soldiers .
When our corporate-controlled government unleashes the drones and the tanks and the mercenary military we now use overseas on the Taliban and their seventh cousins - twice removed I just wonder what our moron citizenery will come up with for an excuse......the famous Condy Rice mushroom cloud, perhaps.
At that stage, excuses probably won't matter much. In fact, the citizenry itself and its periodic electoral endorsements no longer matter much now. The need for any persuasive facade at all is pretty much a thing of the past. The delusion has reached the point of self-perpetuation.
Canada needs to elect the Bloc Quebecois to power. This would eliminate this crap soon enough.
The first Canadian Political leader that says "Canada out of NATO now" has MY vote.
First, you'd have to persuade the Bloc to widen its perspective and establish a nation-wide base -- possibly excepting the Albertan petro sheikdom. Apart from that, however, it sounds like a pretty good plan. Maybe they could form an alliance with those members of the NDP who still retain some conscious memory of their foundational roots and principles.
As for NATO, it has departed so far from its original raison d'être that it should be disbanded completely in any case.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT!
Since some think most virus's are man made and spread, perhaps the swine flu is being tested to see how fast, and how far, it will travel, and a stronger dose be aired out in the Arab countries. Remember the blankets, that were soaked with the small pox virus, and given to the American Indians?
There are two recent historical instances that Canada should emulate when considering its ideal military partnership with the U.S.:
1) Vietnam
2) Iraq
Just back away and let your southern neighbours handle the vaporizing of Pakistani wedding parties.
I believe Wall Street backed Obama to win the election, on behalf of Bush SR's. regime, {which was in the same as Bush jr.]--Then to entice Canada, and others to follow him,- along with Israel, and Britain, to eliminate the Arabs, and have the power to put in the oil pipe line. Either Obama is naive to follow Bush, just as cunning, or just plain afraid of Bush Sr. and his CIA friends. After all, Bush Sr. was once head of the CIA, and said it was more exciting than being President.
Make no mistake soon big brother drone will be watching you. What? you mean they could be watching right now. Keep your heads down.
They ARE already watching us, to some extent. This was even on the mainstream NPR.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106783636
How much longer will Canada continue to hemorrhage blood and treasure for the Bush/Cheney pipeline? This has gone on longer than all the wars of last century.
Imagine what a terror organization could do with drones.
They could blow up an office tower full of workers, or destroy an entire city in Iraq or Pakistan from a city in the USA.
And with no guilt attached. It's all just a video game for the boots on the safe ground of Las Vegas.
While there would be no public support for overseas use of drones there is a lot of support for Arctic surveillance.
Interesting comment. It would certainly tie into the whole Arctic sovereignty issue -- but for whom? (Rhetorical question.)
Canada continues to disappoint me more and more as it continues to follow the footsteps of our failed American government more and more. What a shame. I used to think of canada as the slightly saner northern counterpart to the United States, but they seem to be slipping down the hill quite fast.
Does Obama have no conscience?
Is it not enough that he has ordered the deaths of so many civilians in the middle east thru the use of drone attacks, that he simply no longer cares and is now pushing the Canadians into this insanity of death and destruction.
For shame on you Obama - you are certainly not the president of peace you so easily sold yourself to be to the masses of sheeple whom voted for you in the election. You are an evil liar and a destroyer of lives - I am beginning to think you worse than W!
Canada's transformation is a clear sign of the Global Imperialism takeover via NAFTA and the North American Union, and it is quite scary to say the least.
Wake up people, Wake Up Americans and you to Canadians, WAKE UP before its too late!
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Ron Paul for President 2012
Peace, Equality and Liberty for ALL!
enemyartistkristofeR: The first thing Canada must do is get rid of Harper and sideline his pack of evil Right-Wing religious fundamentalists. After that an exit strategy would be easier -especially if it was an election pledge that, for once, was actually implemented.
"Canada continues to disappoint me more and more ..."
I can assure you that your disappoinment is shared by more than a few Canadians. As in the US, the increasingly difficult problem is representational electability, and the roots of that problem are also similar in both countries. At least Canada, with its multi-party parliamentary system, may have some sightly better chance of pulling away from the situation in time to save itself -- but only slightly better.
Question: Does Obama have no conscience?
Answer: He has all the conscience of a department store window dummy, because that is exactly what he is.
Side note: He did not fool everybody. He himself said he was a blank on which people wrote their own hopes and aspirations. Some of us old people tried to warn the younguns not to fall for his slick line of patter, but alas, a) they wanted us to throw ourselves off a cliff, and b) the alternative candidate was so atrocious, and so obviously.
Yeah, and Harper's complicity in US warcrimes is extremely discouraging, depressing, mortifying, disgraceful.