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US Report Finds Airstrike Errors in Afghan Deaths
WASHINGTON - A military investigation has concluded that American personnel made significant errors in carrying out some of the airstrikes in western Afghanistan on May 4 that killed dozens of Afghan civilians, according to a senior American military official.
Lt. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, President Obama's nominee to be commander of American forces in Afghanistan, testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee during a confirmation hearing on Tuesday. Manuel Balce Ceneta/Associated Press) The official said the civilian death toll would probably have been reduced if American air crews and forces on the ground had followed strict rules devised to prevent civilian casualties. Had the rules been followed, at least some of the strikes by American warplanes against half a dozen targets over seven hours would have been aborted.
The report represents the clearest American acknowledgment of fault in connection with the attacks. It will give new ammunition to critics, including many Afghans, who complain that American forces too often act indiscriminately in calling in airstrikes, jeopardizing the United States mission by turning the civilian population against American forces and their ally, the Afghan government.
Since the raid, American military commanders have promised to address the problem. On Tuesday, Lt. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, nominated to be the American commander in Afghanistan, vowed that reducing civilian casualties was "essential to our credibility."
Any American victory would be "hollow and unsustainable" if it led to popular resentment among Afghanistan's citizens, General McChrystal told the Senate Armed Services Committee during a confirmation hearing.
According to the senior military official, the report on the May 4 raids found that one plane was cleared to attack Taliban fighters, but then had to circle back and did not reconfirm the target before dropping bombs, leaving open the possibility that the militants had fled the site or that civilians had entered the target area in the intervening few minutes.
In another case, a compound of buildings where militants were massing for a possible counterattack against American and Afghan troops was struck in violation of rules that required a more imminent threat to justify putting high-density village dwellings at risk, the official said.
"In several instances where there was a legitimate threat, the choice of how to deal with that threat did not comply with the standing rules of engagement," said the military official, who provided a broad summary of the report's initial findings on the condition of anonymity because the inquiry was not yet complete.
Before being chosen as the new commander in Afghanistan, General McChrystal spent five years as commander of the Joint Special Operations Command, overseeing commandos in Iraq and Afghanistan. Special Operations forces have been sharply criticized by Afghans for aggressive tactics that have contributed to civilian casualties.
During his testimony, General McChrystal said that strikes by warplanes and Special Operations ground units would remain an essential part of combat in Afghanistan. But he promised to make sure that these attacks were based on solid intelligence and that they were as precise as possible. American success in Afghanistan should be measured by "the number of Afghans shielded from violence," not the number of enemy fighters killed, he said.
The inquiry into the May 4 strikes in the western province of Farah illustrated the difficult, split-second decisions facing young officers in the heat of combat as they balance using lethal force to protect their troops under fire with detailed rules restricting the use of firepower to prevent civilian deaths.
In the report, the investigating officer, Brig. Gen. Raymond A. Thomas III, analyzed each of the airstrikes carried out by three aircraft-carrier-based Navy F/A-18 strike aircraft and an Air Force B-1 bomber against targets in the village of Granai, in a battle that lasted more than seven hours.
In each case, the senior military official said, General Thomas determined that the targets that had been struck posed legitimate threats to Afghan or American forces, which included one group of Marines assigned to train the Afghans and another assigned to a Special Operations task force.
But in "several cases," the official said, General Thomas determined either that the airstrikes had not been the appropriate response to the threat because of the potential risk to civilians, or that American forces had failed to follow their own tactical rules in conducting the bombing runs.
The Afghan government concluded that about 140 civilians had been killed in the attacks. An earlier American military inquiry said last month that 20 to 30 civilians had been killed. That inquiry also concluded that 60 to 65 Taliban militants had been killed in the fight. American military officials say their two investigations show that Taliban fighters had deliberately fired on American forces and aircraft from compounds and other places where they knew Afghan civilians had sought shelter, in order to draw an American response that would kill civilians, including women and children.
The firefight began, the military said, when Afghan soldiers and police officers went to several villages in response to reports that three Afghan government officials had been killed by the Taliban. The police were quickly overwhelmed and asked for backup from American forces.
American officials have said that a review of videos from aircraft weapon sights and exchanges between air crew members and a ground commander established that Taliban fighters had taken refuge in "buildings which were then targeted in the final strikes of the fight," which went well into the night.
American troop levels in Afghanistan are expected to double, to about 68,000, under President Obama's new Afghan strategy.
In his previous job as commander of the Joint Special Operations Command, General McChrystal oversaw units assigned to capture or kill senior militants. In his appearance before Congress on Tuesday, he was questioned on reports of abuses of detainees held by his commandos.
Under questioning by Senator Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who is the committee chairman, General McChrystal said he was uncomfortable with some of the harsh techniques that were officially approved for interrogation. At the time, such approved techniques included stress positions, sleep deprivation and the use of attack dogs for intimidation.
He said that all reports of abuse during his command were investigated, and that all substantiated cases of abuse resulted in disciplinary action. And he pledged to "strictly enforce" American and international standards for the treatment of battlefield detainees if confirmed to the post in Afghanistan.
Under questioning, General McChrystal also acknowledged that the Army had "failed the family" in its mishandling of the friendly-fire death of Cpl. Pat Tillman, the professional football star who enlisted in the Army after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
A final review by a four-star Army general cleared General McChrystal of any wrongdoing, but punished a number of senior officers who were responsible for administrative mistakes in the days after Corporal Tillman's death. Initially, Army officials said the corporal had been killed by an insurgent ambush, when in fact he had been shot by members of his own Ranger team.

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Show AllAny American victory would be "hollow and unsustainable" if it led to popular resentment among Afghanistan's citizens, General McChrystal told the Senate Armed Services Committee during a confirmation hearing.
gee, mcchrystal, officer sir, i'm not quite sure which reports you're reading re: popular resentment among afghanistan's citizens, but as the newly plucked leader of hypocrites, you might want to, as they say, get on the ball.
the lies and deceit no longer amaze.
ps - you look, like, really great in that photo.
McChrystals forces are responsible for the three worst atrocities in Afghanistan.
I am sure burning children does not endanger USA soldiers only obscene photos which woul provide more evidence of War Crimes against Bush et. al.
And Tillman was shot up close and personal, rumors are he was about to publicly protest the war.
Any American victory would be "hollow and unsustainable" if it led to popular resentment among Afghanistan's citizens, General McChrystal told the Senate Armed Services Committee during a confirmation hearing.
General, you are seven years too late.
"A final review by a four-star Army general cleared General McChrystal of any wrongdoing, but punished a number of senior officers who were responsible for administrative mistakes in the days after Corporal Tillman's death."
Isn't this outcome pretty much in keeping with current military protocol: exculpate those who give the orders and punish those who carry them out once the shit hits the fan?
Is there any doubt at all that McChrystal was instrumental in Tillman's murder?
q
The west shall suffer more spiritual punishment from Lord Krishna the more it keeps its bloody hands on Afghanistan and Pakistan !
Hannibal Lecter in Afghanistan. Perfect!
From another article: "Khadr, 22, is accused of war crimes, including the murder of a U.S. soldier during a firefight in Afghanistan in July 2002."
When we kill civilians in their own country, it is gee whiz just a little mistake. When this young man Khadr resists against foreign armed soldiers invading his town, it is murder or a war crime.
Our government and press now speak English as a second language. The first language is Doublespeak.
Joe
When we kill civilians in their own country, it is gee whiz just a little mistake. When this young man Khadr resists against foreign armed soldiers invading his town, it is murder or a war crime.
Excellent point.
The U.S. has claimed it is not a "terrorist state" because is does not deliberately target civilians. Well, there's the Sand Creek Massacre. There's the bombing of Calais prior to D-day, so savage the Germans just knew it couldn't be a diversion (good diversion, eh?). There's Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Every bombing strike targets civilians--and then the Afghans have the gall to get irked about it.
The next time you are in San Francisco, read all the inscriptions on the monument in Union Square. It commemorates the killing of a lot of Phillipinos.
Howard Zinn notes the USA bombed a french town with napalm AFTER Germany surrendered; just to test their new weapon.
one old atheist
Judge - Jury and Executioner
The people on the ground communicating to a drone controller half way around the world looking at a video screen.
They make these life and death decisions on the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan and claim they don't make mistakes.
Now, the new guy come in and says we can do a better job. When the reality is we would be scared out of our skin if our country was ruled with drones. Everywhere you go you will always be feeling like a target if you do anything that looks suspicious. You would change the way you do everything just so that eye in the sky doesn't mistake your intent.
Think about it, you would live you life expecting to just blow up never knowing what hit you. THAT'S NO WAY TO LIVE OUR LIVES!
Dear sir:
The old tactic of devastating a country, pushing the people to the brink of starvation, and then sweeping through like a knight in white armor, carrying bread and Bible no longer works.
There are NO hearts OR minds to win over in the Muslim world. They are, like, TOTALLY FED UP with our crusade and our thieving of their resources and destabilizing of their countries.
They just want us to go away.
Yes, everyone, it pays to listen to mom. She speaks the truth. She is a wise woman! She is only telling you this for your own good.
Joe
The lamentations about Tillmans death are as misplaced as his death.
I empathize with his parents since loosing my only child many years ago, but he was an adult and made a decision that cost him his life.
It was his to waste; and he should at least be given the recognition of that fact: so here goes--- "hey asshole, you wasted your life, but it was yours to waste".
Now the real surprise is that anyone with the IQ of a 'turnip' would be surprised that the US Military would be more truthful than the "body politic" which is and always has been----higher education institutes for "Liars, cheats, thieves, and confidence artists"-----
The "High Command" of the US Military has always been (as with any other empire) the proving ground for 'mediocrity at its best'. The officers corps of all of the branches is from the rank of 2nd Lt. to Gen simply a political exercises for the 'would be leaders of the future', and that means "politics with a capitol P".
When the "news" of 'some of the bad things our boys (now girls too) are doing in our name", those Americans make a pretty good show ,of making a 'pretty good show' of calling the 'offenders to justice'---but it never seems to last.
In fact the 'next conflict' always harbours the potential for more of the same 'crimes of the last conflict' and now, with technology as advanced as it has become---it has the potential to increase the severity of the "bad things our boys are doing over there"--------------and what they are doing is mass murder of innocents, the destruction of the environment and the guarantee of a miserable future for the people that survive the "Americans".
Instead of making the offenders a 'terrible warning', they end up being 'shining examples' and then with the next conflict the 'surprises are new again'--and it keeps on keeping on--in the same old fashion.
If the American people who love to promote themselves as 'seekers and examples' of wisdom, freedom, justice, democracy and (I just love this one ) 'the rule of law' they will need to 'practice' their doctrine instead of echoing it.
Then the world will take notice of a true leader. As it stands now, the world fears (and with good cause) the USA.
How long they allow the USA to 'stoke their fears' is a matter for wiser minds than mine to determine. If the USA is an indicator of the others; the others will most likely not wait much longer. The law of 'self preservation'
is stronger than even the USA/Military Industrial Complex.
And after all, was it not the "law of self preservation" that motivated the USA into these latest two illegal wars of aggression?
The irony here is that all America has to do to be a true 'world leader', is DO, what they expect others to DO, and that is; be a 'positive example' instead of the reverse.
Live your creed instead of "preaching it".
Now, that will be a first for America.
As for 'Gen. MAC'---he either has not studied his 'history books very well, or has studied 'doctored history books',or is a liar or is lying to himself---simply because ----there has never in the history of the world (that's the real world now) been a 'victory over insurgency' except in the minds of the fools who choose to fight them. And just one small example is myself; if enough tribal people in the USA wanted to 'renew' the 'hostilities against the USA' I would be there so quickly that it would make "light seem to stand still"-----------I cannot possibly be the only one out here. My people are still at war with the USA, and it would be foolish to think that anyone from another situation/war of aggression by the USA would feel any differently than me.
Good Luck America, you really need it.
'"hey asshole, you wasted your life""
To demean another human being is counter productive to humanitarian efforts, especially in the case of Pat Tillman - his human story could be a huge lynchpin for awakening and linking the people who worship in the nation's sport arenas to the American Spirit's true calling and ideals of justice. Most in the arenas still function under the imagery of Tillman sacrificing million$ to protect their freedom while falling at the hands of their inherently evil terrorist enemies. As someone I'd classify as a Noble Warrior type, and how his life has been misrepresented by the NFL and Pentagon, if the truth to his demise and sentiments about the war could reach their consciousness, a major shift toward human dignity could occur - this would hardly be a wasted life, thus now it's our's to waste or not, ours to demean...or not.
I think you need to remove your 'gas mask' and smell what you are 'shoveling' there, "Puck Twain".
Tillman, sacrificed his life in an illegal war of aggression. No one in America was in danger of anything, except the fools in Washington---that they put there. To make a hero of him for doing so, is perhaps the most asinine concept imaginable.
Yes he 'gave up much' to 'serve his country' but for all of the wrong reasons, and for the wrong purpose. Yes he gave his life, his millions, and fame, and most likley his college education---but--- to make him out to be anything but a delusional fool, is a mockery of and an insult to intelligence---the world over, as well as those who have died actually defending their country----
The same applies to the several thousand who have died, and the other several thousands more who 'came back missing parts of their bodies, minds, and entire lives.
There is no sympathy in my heart except for the 'innocents' these fools kill and maim when they are "giving up their lives for their causes"---it is sheer stupidity. He did not fall at the hands of anyone but his own troops---while he was fighting people who were actually defending their country from "inherently evil Americans" who were invading under illegal sanctions, and for nefarious purposes.
In the "real world" the "hero" is usually the 'fool' they bury---or the 'sandwich they eat'--------
If it is demeaning to another human to criticize them for wasting their lives in an illegal and destructive endeavor, I am sure that you would write the same things about the '9/11 hijackers'-you would not want to demean them--after all were they not also giving their lives for their cause, and did they not shed innocent blood in the process. And if you feel so strongly, I am sure that you have a 'ticket' for one of the 'flights leaving for the war zones'---being a "Noble Warrior type yourself' or do you have an 'excuse'?
well, do you?
Good Luck 'Puck', you really need it.
Native Son for the most part is perfectly correct.
Although even a foolish war criminals life should not be demeaned, all life is sacred.
But his actions were disgusting, even though he was probably killed for starting to focus on reality.
Why does this guy remind me of The Twilight Zone?Tony
LOL
My own Blue Ribbon panel of experts has concluded that EVERY bombing done by the US military is an act of TERRORISM--ALL OF THEM. Just imagine how the US military would approach targets in the USA, as if it were enemy territory. Lets take Silicon Valley as an example since it is of great strategic importance. The area would be carpet bombed by B-52s, killing most of the civilians, which is Air Force tactical doctrine. The US military does NOT protect its citizenry; rather, it endangers it through its many acts of terrorism.
The jerk-off in the photo above is looking more and more like a Soviet general with each passing day. And The Obysmal Doctrine is the Brezhnev Doctrine.
Here's my clinical diagnosis: This man is mentally ill, emotionally exhausted, morally depraved and resigned, extremely tired, under tremendous stress, with no idea what to do next.
But he doesn't know it. He thinks he's fine, never been better.
Joe
The Pentagon doesn't really care about how many civilian deaths they commit despite all of their public protests to the contrary. "This is War". They all say in public. "They're all Pussies in this country who care about the deaths of innocent women and children in foreign countries." THEY SAY in PRIVATE.
Well, put me down as one of the PUSSIES who believes that America is better than NAZI Germany and that we do NOT want to kill innocent women and children in lands that we have invaded. The people who condone it are nothing less than murderers who will be judged by a higher power someday.
TRUE - WE MUST DEFEND OUR COUNTRY, but it is COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to that aim when we make so many enemies by making so many careless and heartless and cruel and UNJUST decisions about war.
COLLATERAL DAMAGE is NOT acceptable. IF our military is not clever enough to SEPARATE OUT the true terrorists from the innocent bystanders then, they are not fit to be in our military. We give them BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars to fight a clean war, an effective war where we CAN protect innocent life. They just don't care and they are not taking our direction.
WE MUST GET OSAMA BIN LADEN and his cronies. Make no mistake. BUT, DEFINITELY NOT at the cost of creating HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS MORE LIKE HIM. OUR MILITARY IS BETTER THAN THIS. SOMEONE in the PENTAGON must take responsibility and stop this senseless slaughter. Since these wars started under BUSH, we have wasted at most estimates nearly ONE MILLION INNOCENT LIVES in this region. It's time it stopped.
WE MUST PUT OUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER that our troops must stop fighting when INNOCENT LIVES are at stake. These are CHILDREN, we're talking about here. How would YOU FEEL if your house was bombed and YOUR children killed by a foreign military force chasing crooks through your neighborhood and after killing your children, they come and say, "OOOPS, SORRY THERE BUDDY. Don't worry, you can make more."
CALL ME A PUSSY. BUT I DO NOT WANT MY COUNTRY TO BE SEEN LIKE HITLER'S GERMANY by anyone - NEVER.
http://www.america2inc.com
"Any American victory would be "hollow and unsustainable" if it led to popular resentment among Afghanistan's citizens, General McChrystal told the Senate Armed Services Committee during a confirmation hearing."
It is too late, Herr General, far too late!
"Any American victory would be 'hollow and unsustainable' if it led to popular resentment among Afghanistan's citizens"
How can victory lead to resentment? BECAUSE our priorities are different from Afghanistan's.
IT'S EITHER WE ARE VICTORIOUS, OR THE AFGHANS ARE.
The sustaining part is impossible. They WILL kick us out...it's only a matter of time...unless we turn the place into a parking lot. We don't have the cojones to control those people.
Remember the movies from the forties in which the Resistance fighters were the heroes? Gaunt men and women conspired to blow up Nazi war supplies, to meet with other Resistance fighters in the woods, to hide and protect children. We rooted for them. We identified with them.
I could cry, because now we are the invaders. We are the ones who sweep into towns, run through houses killing anything that moves. We are the ones who send planes to drop bombs on someone else's roofs. These are not mistakes. This is what we do. We are the purveyors of permanent war. Our morality is zero.
Of course we have always been guilty of the same with Native Americans. But we fooled ourselves unless we let some simple feelings creep in. As a child, I always rooted for the Indians in the movies, if only because I was repulsed by the swagger of the John Waynes.
Now there is not even a veneer of honor or simple feeling. We are the swaggering invaders. We are the obedient civilians of the fatherland. Our sweet children are sent into this scenario in which they can only fight or die.
This country is filled with people I love, and land I love, so I don't want anything to happen to us. But objectively, we deserve whatever comes.
Joe
This might make for an interesting podcast to feed to HS and community college classes to counteract recruitment ads. The twists of ethics show the standard elitist abandonment of personnel by officers, something that a lot of underclass 18-year-olds do have experience with and can recognize.
Let's follow:
* The US still says Afghan invasion was defense
* Obama extends Bush policies in the region
- More $$ to Military
- Extended occupation in Iraq
- Expanded war in Afghanistan
- Expanded Paki-bashing in Swat & environs
- Refusal to prosecute Bushies
- Executive priviledge to withhold evidence of Bush-era crimes
- Extreme long-distance mechanization of killing
* Prosecution of Ehren Watada
* Officers train kids to kill
* Gov't & media dehumanize Muslims as much as possible
That scene set, the officers give the kids planes and tell them, whatever they might word it, to kill villagers. Bear in mind, these soldiers are under contract and under legal threat by the US government if they do not follow orders, and the US government tortures its citizens in secret prisons -- I'd say Pinochet-style, but a lot of his thugs trained in the States.
Maybe the soldiers loved killing and knowing they had maimed women and children. But usually these people talk about "our way of life" and "my friends" and "my mom and dad." They sound rife with delusion and denial about the relations between things they cherish or wish they had to cherish and this business of blowing foreign bodies apart.
So they fly the mission and kill, guilty and prosecutable as ever anyone might be.But they are under command, and they do the will of at least some elements within the government that may conceivably prosecute them. Murder of villagers certainly has the blessings of the executive and most of the legislature.
The generals ordered them to drop a bomb in a village; now they blame them because it blew up.
A lot of poppycock about "rules of engagement" doesn't change that much. There were women? Well, wouldn't we expect that a village would be around 50% women--probably a little more, given the violence in the region. There were children? Has anyone ever visited a rural village anywhere that was not full of children?
Those soldiers did not mistake their orders: their orders were to kill a lot of Pakistanis to discourage them from participating in resistance. But as their leaders get cleverer about manipulating public opinion, they find themselves scapegoated earlier and earlier in the process of scandal.
How wonderful that McChrystal has made even this small confession, even shunting guilt to scapegoat the men under his command. Those men are guilty and should be prosecuted as a deterrent to others, but also to encourage them to turn state's evidence on their superiors.
It is NO error.
You're in a country you have no business in.
You are dropping bombs on villages and towns to thwart opposition to resource piracy.
You have lied and manipulated information to try to make this war happen (as in Iraq).
You beguile the natives into thinking this is somehow all "for their freedom" while telling your own gullible citizens back home that it's to "keep America free".
Now you're going to say "OOPS! It's an accident."
It's NOT an accident.
he will be given the fift star following his brilliant media performance.
>>On Tuesday, Lt. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, nominated to be the American commander in Afghanistan, vowed that reducing civilian casualties was "essential to our credibility
Who the frack cares about your Credibilty Mr McChrstal? You are already a low life scum.
NOT murdering women and children should be reason enough not to do it. What the heck does it have to do with "our credibility"?
Are you suggesting if it GAVE your murdering strategy credibility it would be ok?
They die
We lie
and so it goes
The U.S. is terminally ill. Addressing the symptoms; pulling out of Afghanistan/Iraq, paying restitution, charging, convicting, punishing war criminals, admitting guilt as a country, paying restitution to every single person whose ancestors were persecuted by this Amerikan government and it's people, straightening up the mess called the reservations in which we house this country's natives, providing for the people of this country BEFORE providing for this country's corporations and other industries, etc., will not cure us. But, the change in heart that would be necessary to accomplish all of this would save us. This country has what appears to be an incurable heart disease. Our collective heart is hard and full of hatred for those not like ourselves. We blame rather than accept responsiblity for our present situation. To find the part each of us play in our imminent demise will be the hardest challenge we have faced, and most aren't up to the challenge. That is why this country and life as we have known it will end. We will know what it is like to live in the stone age that we have bombed other countries back to.
It is the patriotic duty of decent Iraqis and Afghans to kill Americans, representatives of an attacking and occupying brutal foreign power. For them to do otherwise would be, well, unAmerican.