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Obama Mounts Defense of Detainee Plan
WASHINGTON - President Obama on Thursday deliverered an impassioned defense of his administration's anti-terrorism policies, reiterating his determination to close the prison at the Guantánamo Bay naval base in Cuba in the face of growing Congressional pressure and warning that it was essential to stand by the country's basic principles.
The president said that what has gone on at Guantánamo for the past seven years has demonstrated an unjust, haphazard "ad hoc approach" that has undermined rather than strengthened America's safety, and that moving its most dangerous inmates to the United States is both practical and in keeping with the country's cherished ideals.
Moroever, he said that transferring some Guantánamo detainees to highly secure prisons in the United States would in no way endanger American security.
Speaking at the National Archives, which houses the Constitution and other documents embodying America's system of government and justice, the president promised to work with Congress to develop a safe and fair system for dealing with those Guantánamo detainees who cannot be prosecuted "yet who pose a clear danger to the American people."
"I want to be honest: this is the toughest issue we will face," the president said.
Nevertheless, despite the evil intentions of some Guantánamo detainees and the undeniable fact that Al Qaeda terrorists are determined to attack America again, United States citizens should not feel uneasy about a relatively small number of detainees being imprisoned in the American homeland, the president said.
"As we make these decisions, bear in mind the following fact: nobody has ever escaped from one of our federal supermax prisons, which hold hundreds of convicted terrorists," the president said. "As Senator Lindsey Graham said: ‘The idea that we cannot find a place to securely house 250-plus detainees within the United States is not rational.'"
Only minutes after Mr. Obama finished speaking, former Vice President Dick Cheney offered a far different perspective, defending the anti-terrorism policies of the Bush administration and criticizing some of President Obama's approaches. Taken together, the speeches of President Obama and the former vice president encapsuled a fundamental debate over the proper balance between personal liberties and national security in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorism attacks.
Both speeches came in a week in which Congress has been wrestling with detention issues. The Senate by a lopsided vote vote of 90-6 rebuffed the president over financing for closing down the detention center. Republicans and Democrats alike argued that the White House had yet to outline a realistic plan for what to do with the remaining detainees after the center is closed.
The supermax prisons to which Mr. Obama alluded, familiar to viewers of cable-television crime programs, are fortress-like structures of concrete and steel where the inmates - the worst of the worst of hardened criminals - live in near-isolation.
"I know that creating such a system poses unique challenges," Mr. Obama said. "Other countries have grappled with this question, and so must we. But I want to be very clear that our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for Guantanamo detainees - not to avoid one. In our constitutional system, prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man."
The president said Americans should resist the temptation to indulge in "finger-pointing" over mistakes. But he offered scathing criticism of the presidency of George W. Bush, referring repeatedly to the missteps, in Mr. Obama's view, of "the past eight years" and declaring that the harsh interrogation methods used at Guantanamo have fomented terrorism.
In an address punctuated several times by applause, the president asserted over and over that fidelity to American values is not a luxury to be dispensed with in times of crisis but, rather, the compass that will steer the country to safety in an age of terrorism.
"We uphold our most cherished values not only because doing so is right, but because it strengthens our country and keeps us safe," he said.
But shortly after President Obama finished his speech, television networks cut away to Mr. Cheney's speech, titled "Keeping America Safe," delivered to the American Enterprise Institute.
Mr. Cheney gave the president some credit for "wise decisions," notably in some of the steps he has taken in Afghanistan and in reversing his plan to release photographs of detainee abuse. But the former vice president was vigorous in his defense of the "enhanced interrogation" of detainees that the Obama administration has denounced, saying that skilled and trained C.I.A. agents had gained invaluable intelligence, using methods ruled legal by administration lawyers, that had saved lives.
Mr. Cheney was harshly critical of Mr. Obama's decision to release documents detailing the Bush administration debate on what interrogation techniques could legally be employed. Releasing the memos, Mr. Cheney said, "was flatly contrary to the national security interest of the United States," undercutting anti-terror efforts by United States allies around the world, and leaving C.I.A. agents unsure of high-level backing "when the going gets tough."
Mr. Cheney suggested that the new administration was making a deeply flawed and risky calculation that the Sept. 11 attacks were in effect one-time event and not a persistent, existential threat. Mr. Cheney also offered a withering critique of the suggestion that the Obama team was seeking middle ground in policies on terrorism.
"In the fight against terrorism," he said, "there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half-exposed. You cannot keep just some nuclear-armed terrorists out of the United States, you must keep every nuclear-armed terrorist ouf of the United States."
As for the closing of the Guantánamo Bay detention camp, Mr. Cheney suggested that Mr. Obama was short-sightedly playing to foreign audiences. "It's easy to receive applause in Europe for closing Guantánamo," he said. "But it's tricky to come up with an alternative that will serve the interests of justice and America's national security."
Sheryl Gay Stolberg, Jeff Zeleny and Kate Phillips contributed reporting.
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Show AllInstead of "debating" Cheney, Obama should arrest him and the rest of BushCo.
I couldn't agree with you more ‘karlof1’.
Where is the chief law enforcement officer of our Country who took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and his responsibility to carry out the legally binding international treaties his predecessors signed more than 60 years ago so that we would never again repeat the same mistakes of two World Wars that claimed more than 50 million lives?...
More importantly. Why is Dick Cheney being given an opportunity for rebuttal through our so-called “Fourth Estate” and repeatedly allowed to visit the Sunday talk show circuit when he has criminal indictment(s) chasing him as far as the eye can see?
Is it my imagination, or is everybody simply afraid of the last Administration and what they might “pull out of the hat” in there next act,'Part Deux' -so that they can avoid criminal prosecution? Sure would like to ask Secretary of Defense Gates if he had any luck in that audit he conducted two years ago locating the cruise missile that got away in the Minot to Barksdale incident!... Maybe Dick has that answer?
Let's face it our reality and the people who own this Country is off the cliff.
Part of the message I left at the White House website explained that unless Obama enforces the laws of the land as he's sworn to do, then there ultimately is NO law, and we're talking capital crimes here, not J-walking. That was a month ago. As myself and others note, he's turning himself into an accomplice. Perhaps his behavior is because now he's a killer too, just like Cheney and all those before. Every president during my 53 years was a killer. Indeed, it's very hard to find a US president who wasn't a killer--a long tradition of lawless presidential actions.
Agreed!
We need to put that band of thugs away and start to break up the vice grip they have on this country.
We are going to have a lot of problems to deal with in the next 20 years with global warming...so we need to start to make peace with whomever we can so we can all pull together.
The industrial - military complex is a big part of our most serious problems.
"Instead of "debating" Cheney, Obama should arrest him and the rest of BushCo."
And then he should turn himself in as an accomplice.
May 21, 2009
Richard 'Goebbels' Cheney, the Repugnican Propaganda Minister, today defended the crimes of the Fourth Reich.
In a previous incarnation, he had the good taste to commit suicide to save himself from a sordid trial and a hanging.
Yes, I drank the kool-aid but Obama is OUR best HOPE to change this big boat around. We need to do everything we can to support where he is going and taking US! WE can make a difference, WE are the goverment, this is not Iran or North Korea, get off your butt and add to the positive direction WE can take this country! Including sticking those murders in jail! Why do they give these criminals a microphone, so they bury themselves!? GO TO JAIL DICK CHENEY!
I am concerned that the quest to close Gitmo is mostly for show. Is the President closing the Bagram prison in Afghanistan? The CIA Black Sites? Is he giving the prisoners in our system of prisons due process which includes habeas corpus? I think the answers to these questions is a clear and resounding "no."
So is the President serious about the rule of law and the values he professes to believe and uphold? If so, why is he so weak on crime? Why won't he even support the investigation of torture suspects such as President Bush, Cheney, and the others who conspired to torture, thus violating the War Crimes Act of 1996; the Convention Against Torture; the Bill of Rights; the Geneva Conventions; and much more . . .
It appears to me that the President has no strong values of his own. That is, he is a person who simply compromises from the center of the power of the rich, the powerful institutions that undermine democracy, and the illegitimate Few who comprise most of our Congress, (not the center of the will of the people). The ship of State he seeks to govern he does by a "moral" compass that is turning, not to the attraction of principles of democracy, or the rule of law, or the adherence to treaties and the Constitution, but in fact to the attraction to the very corrupt system he vowed to change.
Orwell said that in a totalitarian system, "war is peace." In our thinly disguised totalitarian system of rule by the rich, "change" is actually "continuity" with the corporate regime and its militarism, racism, and systemic poverty. Dr. King knew this. The president does too, yet takes the side of his donors and seeks to prop up the totalitarian corporate regime instead, with his unique, attractive (but deceptive) progressive veneer.
"I am concerned that the quest to close Gitmo is mostly for show. Is the President closing the Bagram prison in Afghanistan? The CIA Black Sites? Is he giving the prisoners in our system of prisons due process which includes habeas corpus? I think the answers to these questions is a clear and resounding "no.""
Exactly right, it's not a show, it's a sideshow.
they're planning to rename Bagram = Bugger'm.
and Abu Ghraib = Abu Grab-ass
I agree with Karlof1. When the war in Europe ended in May 1945, there were 370,000 German prisoners of war being held in the United States.
"I want to be honest," the president said.
Oh, please. Have you absolutely NO SHAME?!
Of all the things that make one's head spin.
An Obama/Cheney "debate"???
Cheney has determined that a strong offense is the best defense. This man knows very well that he is tiptoeing on the verge of being brought to trial for war crimes. He has therefore 2 choices: run and hide or come out guns blazing and arrogantly scream what he did was right and only fools would think he was committing a crime. Cheney being Cheney-- he made the predictable choice. It's pretty disgusting that the press is pandering to him as opposed to exposing him for what he is.
There is something contrived about all this. I find it very hard to belive that Obama's true intent isn't teligraphed to his own party--and now with Cheney obviously out of the shadows posing as his taskmaker (for whom Obama seems more than willing to step and fetch it for--even though Cheney is widely unpopular). Notice how they all contribute to drum up the fear of the evil terrorists--but I thought the reality is they can't make cases against these Gitmo guys who were picked up in broad sweeps. It is theatre intended for consumption--Cheney bad, Obama good. Obama's party tying his hands so poor Obama can't make good on yet another promise. My guess they sensed that the voter-consumer was getting a little testy so they had to manufacture a scenario and Obama as usual, will bow and call it unifying diplomacy..
Yeah..it stinks and is obviously staged to calm the masses. It's also another way to keep the false flag of 9/11 fresh in the minds of an already terrorized public. It's a sick game and they play it well...a precision ballet for the dumbed down masses living under a constant state of plausible deniability!
You summed it up beautifully!
*** www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner ***
There is slim chance of "justice" being served regardless of where the political prisoners are housed forever. How does Cheney get the same media attention as the sitting President of the U.S.?
By having friends who own the media outlets.
It seems as if Cheney thinks he's still "President" as he was for Bush, and can still set policy. He just doesn't get it --
even after records show that no credible information was obtained by torture. And, of only 3 prisoners were water boatded (which I doubt) what kind of treatment does he think the original Abu Garaib photos show, as well as the photos under question, which are out now and can be seen on line. Desperate, as well as arrogant. Not a good combination.
As for the president's speech, he gave more detail and explanation in that one effort than Bush did in all his years in office. And Cheney was hiding in his undisclosed location, letting him fumble his way. I'm still sticking with THIS President.
"despite the evil intentions of some Guantánamo detainees", the evil intentions of hundreds of right-wing extremists in Washing-town, and the willingness of thousands of supporters and the consent of millions of enablers, continue to pose by far the greatest danger to the people of the world, including USans. Another big fat imperial turkey is in the oven today. Reaction to the next cycle of imperial blowback is clear to all: The empire will strike back, at Iran, and the MIC will employ one out of three working Usans, "lifting all boats".
Next the MSM will portray Obama "debating" a serial killer, who was claiming to kill to "protect us"...
They will run a push poll, which shows that half of all Americans support killing under certain circumstances...
After that, the MSM will portray Obama "debating" a child molester, who is a member of NAMBLA (the North American Man Boy Love Association)... And a push poll will reveal that half of Americans support our soldiers raping children in front of their parents to get them to confess (which really happened in Iraq)...
I Obama was really about change, he wouldn't waste his time with contrivances like this...
It is all bread & circus, smoke & mirrors, bait & switch, a shell game...
-Next the MSM will portray Obama "debating" a serial killer
You have got the idea.
corporate controlled airwaves, giving massive time to two guys that believe in torture and indefinite detention etc.
If the majority believes in peace, fair trials, universal healthcare etc, why are they not on the tube? Do you think it is an accident?
From where I'm sitting either you start voting for parties that act on values you profess to believe in, or the world might start coming to the conclusion that you are as insincere as Obama and Cheney.
Obama is becoming Cheney's whipping boy.
People need to recheck their facts. During the year 2005, there were over 1000 detainees at Guantanamo. For the last 3 years the Bush administration has released close to 800 detainees periodically. Why the Dems and (or) Obama are having trouble releasing the 200 to 300 detainees that are still there is beyond me. Turning Guantanamo into some kind of political game will not serve the Dems. well. Guantanamo is over essentially, with a process that started with George W. Bush. It's time the Democrats and Republicans get a clue.
"Why the Dems and (or) Obama are having trouble releasing the 200 to 300 detainees that are still there is beyond me. "
The remaining 300 are probably not "the worst of the worst" but have simply been tortured "the worst". Releasing them would provide for evidence of prosecution of government officials.
It's also giant distraction from the escalating wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan and everything else. How many people even know about Bagram?
It's a fake debate.
Guantanamo was created by executive order, it can be closed by executive order. Congress has nothing to do with it (yes, I know, funding the transfers, but there are ways around that). They are covering for Obama so he doesn't have to close it.
Much like ending "don't ask don't tell", Obama does not need Congress to do what's right.
The Senate "by a lopsided vote of 90-6 rebuffed the president," arguing "that the White House had yet to outline a realistic plan."
Now if they'd only rebuff him on nuclear energy, Grand Canyon uranium mining, factory farms, genetically modified food, mandated for-profit health insurance, taxpayer bailouts of criminal banks and insurance companies, shielding of war criminals from prosecution, an expanded imperialist war in Afghanistan and Pakistan and his other corporate-socialism initiatives -- all of which lack "realistic plans" -- then we'd really have something.
Did I mention his appointments of economic-meltdown architects Summers and Geitner as senior economics adviser and Treasury Secretary?
Cheney shuld be arrested and charged with treason and violation of his oath as VP, and then we can proceed from there. Allowing Cheney access to the public is a mistake. Since when do criminals, "allegedly" responsible for over a million deaths, get the bully pulpit??
By presidential decree Cheney should be picked up, arraigned, no bail, with a speedy trial (he has already publicly admitted to enough to put him away for the rest of his life) and then we can get on with the prosecutions of Rove, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, et al.
Obama facing off with his cousin Cheney is about as real as professional wrestling. They've already decided the outcome, they're just putting on the show, and they end up with the people's money after fooling the masses.
For me, it is tragic and surreal that with the passage of a mere 5 years time since the Abu Ghraib photos came out and General Taguba's first (of many) reports on abuse of prisoners detained in US military custody hit the mainstream media, the DC beltway Democratic party leadership has succeeded in turning a pristine, gold plated moral values issue (torture) - a policy directly linked to the Bush/Cheney White House and its GOP Congressional majorities - into a bipartisan loser. How can those highly paid image spinners and message framers of the DNC's inner braintrust possibly be so shallow, inept and downright stupid?
Just think what might have happened if, in 2004 for instance, the Kerry campaign had taken Little George to task for shit canning the Geneva Conventions and making martyrs out of the Al Qaeda nutcakes by holding thousands of detainees without trial and resorting to torture. Now there was a real good time to talk about bringing some moral clarity to the Oval Office.
You remember the 2004 presidential campaign? Yeah, the one in which (according to conventional wisdom) the Democrats failed to campaign on moral values issues, and accordingly "lost" when the Ohio results magically flipped? Well, the nation's descent into torture was a moral values issue handed to the Democrats upon a silver platter. They chose to pass. Nary a word was ever uttered about it.
Four years later, torture was a non-issue in the Obama/McCain presidential contest. Both candidates publicly opposed it. So the campaigns moved on to talk about other pressing things like Joe the Plumber.
Yet here we now are, less than six months after Obama is sworn in, and from exile Dick Cheney, channeling the Neanderthal wing of the GOP right wing attack machine, has gotten the Democrats squarely on the defensive. The issue isn't how the war criminals secretly violated international law and federal statutes to embrace torture as US government policy. The question is how much did Nancy Pelosi know, when did she know it, and whether she's lying about it now.
As this NY Times story coyly puts today's hot, breaking news from along the Potomac about the plans to close Gitmo, "shortly after President Obama finished his speech, television networks cut away to Mr. Cheney's speech" before the American Enterprise Institute think tank. The former vice president claimed again how the CIA's use of enhanced interrogation techniques during the Bush/Cheney era had "gained invaluable intelligence, using methods ruled legal by administration lawyers, that had saved lives." As a capper, Cheney reiterated his dark warnings that the Obama White House was making "a deeply flawed and risky calculation that the September 11 attacks were in effect a one-time event....."
As Juan Williams so aptly put it on NPR this morning, it sure does look like President Obama has "lost control of the national conversation" about torture and treatment of detainees held in CIA and US military custody. Yes, Barack said fine things in his speech at the National Archives. But we quickly cut away for fair and balanced coverage about how torture works, torture has been ruled legal, torture has kept us all safe, and how abandoning torture puts the nation at risk of another 9/11, an event which will be absolutely, exclusively Barack Obama's fault.
How was it possible for one political party to completely fuck up an issue of such enormous public importance, when it was handed to them, all gift wrapped up, by the GOP?
And please don't try to tell me Pelosi was the hidden hand behind the scenes. That was last week's red herring.
Bill from Saginaw
"How was it possible for one political party to completely fuck up an issue of such enormous public importance ..."
Practice makes perfect, and they've had a LOT of practice.
I voted for BO and have been quick to admit I've been disappointed. But he has done some things right while doing much wrong.
Cheney & Israel were in on 9-11. So the Irony, the Ugly In Your Face Vulgarity of that Satanic A****** stoking fear in Americans at the Israeli American Enterprise Institute MSM orgy is filthy.
That murderer is going to perpetrate another 9-11 on America. He is telegraphing this punch like an untrained boxer.
You cannot only see it coming. He has been and is vociferously outright promising it in the media for months, "nuclear-armed terrorists," now, ez that, a Killer Arab will detonate a dirty bomb in The Homeland.
And to Israel's delight and Exxon accolades the US will liquidate another million Arabs and occupy more of their oil rich land. But we need some more dead Americans first, like last time Cheney & Israel obliged us, September 11th, 2001.
Bold as Hell to brag about a redux. Maybe this time the Mossad will avoid getting caught filming it. One of the all-time idiocies, bumblings ever perpetrated by any "intelligence" service in the history of mankind.
And far from denying anything, one of these "agents" went on an Israeli talk show and said they were "just documenting" 9-11. Like fore-knowledge does not infer complicity.
It seems to me that our only real hope of any sort of justice being carried out is by Judge Garzon in Spain. Obviously, Obama is too much of a chickenshit to do anything because he will implicate members of his own Party. I listened to his speech this morning - he is a great orator, but his actions are far more hollow than his words. In fact, he does the opposite. Obama is a typical politician, a classic flip-flopper.
I BELIEVE CHENEY IS JUST TRYING TO COVER HIS REAR. THE MAN IS AN EVIL BEING. CAN YOU BELIEVE WE HAS 375,OO0 GERMANS JAILED HERE IN THE US. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD 200 - 300 IN THE USA. ALL OF THIS IS A POLITICAL GAME.
So, why doesn't Obama figure out by now that appointing a special prosecutor (like Nuremberg) is what we really SHOULD BE doing with Cheney et al?
Interesting that W is NO WHERE to be seen during this supposed defense of his presidency. Guess it underlines what most suspected, CHENEY was the real wizard behind the curtain.///
Would sombody please arrest that known War Criminal Cheney, and shut him the f**k up? And his speechifying from The American Enterprise Institute is like an old Dr. No transmittion from SPECTRE secret headquarters....
This guy has gone all they way around the bend...He is an embarrasment to the planet.
In the 1940's, the allies fought a much bigger threat than a handful and ragged Jihadis, and didn't have to resort to torture...Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeild, Wolfowitz et al are all chickenshits who have never gone to war, and there IMMEDIATELY resorting to torture has dishonoured the memory of every serviceman who has ever given his life for their country.
LET THESE COWARDS DEFEND THEMSELVES IN COURT!!!!
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Turn the product of decades of conservative rule around in a few months? Take the needles out of your arms.
What turnaround? I see continuity and expansion, with the only "change" being rhetorical. At least the Freepers got one thing correct: Public Enemy #1 is the federal government and its president regardless of political party.
OH, and somebody PLEASE explain to the USA the definition of "Terrorist"
A terrorist is someone who uses fear to violence and fear to intimidate a civilian population for political purposes, like suicide bombers.
It is NOT some goatherder who picks up a gun and shoots back when the most powerful nation on earth illegally invades and occupies their country. THAT is generally called a PATRIOT.
It is NOT a taxidriver who happens to get a fare from someone the USA is after. THAT is called a TAXIDRIVER
It is NOT women and children hiding in their house trying to avoid US Missiles. THEY are called CIVILIANS.
Now someone who randomly detains people and tortures them is called a CRIMINAL
A country that illegaly invades another country on false pretences is historically called a NAZI and/or FASCIST REGIME
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
the people held in Gitmo may be ALLEGED TERRORIST at best, TORTURE VICTIMS at worst, but until they have a fair trial, they are called DETAINEES or POWS.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Mujeriego, Even you who see through it don’t see through it.
9/11 made people angry. It was staged. Important files were destroyed.
http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Collateral_Damage_911.pdf
Governments were vilified and wars on methods were declared. A chain reaction was started and the sheep were guided into their pens.
You talk about detainees or POWs, why not talk of the people kidnapped and tortured. Trying to prove that a 16 year old boy used a gun or a grenade against a stupid US soldier invading his home, killing his family and destroying his country, and using that as an excuse to call him a terrorist…. Yes, please define terror and terrorism.
They now make a half assed debate with themselves. 90 to 6 to ask for a plan, and who said it was the same mafia demo-hypocrass and repuke…? You are being coned, but if you don’t accept the cone YOU ARE THE TERRORIST.
Where as, in fact they ARE and always have been the TERRORIST.
"Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I've got this bridge I can sell you, real cheap".
Cripes, and I have to listen to this crap for another 3 years 8 months?
Obama: What a friggin' disaster and nightmare.
Cheney: Instead of calling his speech "Keeping America Safe," it should have been called "Keep the Fear Alive." He and the Bush cabal have been doing this for 8 years. How much mileage can they get out of 9/11 (which was an inside job anyway)? Even if people from the middle east DID do 9/11, don't you think we have paid them back a thousand times over???????????
Was amazed that Cheney had equal time this morning to give a speech about the merits of torture after Obama spoke.
What has this country turned into???
WTF, I agree, Blah,Blah,Blah
Its all a show! Made for TV
Divide and Pacify
I agree with everybody!
We are supposed to see Cheney as Right Wing
and Obama as Left.
The beat of the MSM propaganda machine never lets up!
When it comes to the next big push to vilify a sovereign country, they will all be in unison.
In between they are in light mode, hoping to win you over to their thinking.
Give Up! It won't hurt a bit. Give up! Float down river for awhile! Trust Us!
BS!
Cheney, the Little DICKtator that just won't go away.
The Senate voted 90 to 6 against Obama's plan to close Guantanamo because they want to hear more specifics about that plan.
Call your Senators and tell them to calm down and vote with Obama- his plan is sound: There are a few terrorists who are unreliable and are determined to harm Americans after being held at Guantanamo without any evaluation in court over years. Would you like the president to send those people to other countries? That is what Bush/Cheney did. He send 500 detainees to other countries some of them were then released by that country we had no control over and returned to the fight.
Would it not be better to hold them in our very secure prisons?
Lets stay rationale.
I cannot wait for Guantanamo to be dissolved-- I will feel relieved.
Obama's speech- a law professor speaking about the Constitution- how refreshing- Cheney and Bush do not know law and do not care to use law. The "rule of Law" is the bedrock of peace.
Chris Dodd whose father was a procecuter in Nurnberg and Lindsay Graham who was a JAG officer - they had the sense to vote for Obama's plan!
The Senate voted 90 to 6 against Obama's plan to close Guantanamo because they want to hear more specifics about that plan.
Call your Senators and tell them to calm down and vote with Obama- his plan is sound: There are a few terrorists who are unreliable and are determined to harm Americans after being held at Guantanamo without any evaluation in court over years. Would you like the president to send those people to other countries? That is what Bush/Cheney did. He send 500 detainees to other countries some of them were then released by that country we had no control over and returned to the fight.
Would it not be better to hold them in our very secure prisons?
Lets stay rationale.
I cannot wait for Guantanamo to be dissolved-- I will feel relieved.
Obama's speech- a law professor speaking about the Constitution- how refreshing- Cheney and Bush do not know law and do not care to use law. The "rule of Law" is the bedrock of peace.
Chris Dodd whose father was a prosecuter in Nurnberg and Lindsay Graham who was a JAG officer - they had the sense to vote for Obama's plan!
Obama is trying to close Gitmo and Congress is standing in his way, both parties, that is bs.
He has failed to begin bringing about the sweeping changes he promised.
But he endeavors to do the right thing now and then too. Congress is wrong, hacks worried if they vote to close Gitmo, their Fox watching constituents will turn on them.
And while Congress is obstructionist, Cheney attacks Obama as do liberals.
He don't walk on water, but he is a far cry from the monstrous regime he displaced. To call that lesserevilist thinking is simply tossing a platitude out that precludes seeing gradations or degrees.
And Absolutes rarely stand up to scrutiny.