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WASHINGTON - It was a hypothetical question in a Supreme Court argument, and it was posed almost 40 years ago. But it managed to anticipate and in some ways to answer President Obama's argument for withholding photographs showing the abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan.
MY LAI, 1968 Richard Nixon blocked the release of photos and documents concerning a massacre by American soldiers in a Vietnamese village. (Ronald S. Haeberle/Time & Life Pictures — Getty Images)
What if, Justice Potter Stewart asked a lawyer for The New York
Times in the Pentagon Papers case in 1971, a disclosure of sensitive
information in wartime "would result in the sentencing to death of 100
young men whose only offense had been that they were 19 years old and
had low draft numbers?" The Times's lawyer, Alexander M. Bickel, tried
to duck the question, but the justice pressed him:
"You would say that the Constitution requires that it be published and that these men die?"
Mr. Bickel yielded, to the consternation of allies in the case. "I'm afraid," he said, "that my inclinations of humanity overcome the somewhat more abstract devotion to the First Amendment."
And there it was: an issue as old as democracy in wartime, and as fresh as the latest dispute over pictures showing abuse of prisoners in the 21st century. How much potential harm justifies suppressing facts, whether from My Lai or Iraq, that might help the public judge the way a war is waged in its name?
The exchange also contained more than a hint of the court's eventual calculus: The asserted harm can't be vague or speculative; it must be immediate and concrete. It must be the sort of cost that gives a First Amendment lawyer pause.
As it happened, Mr. Bickel's response outraged the American Civil Liberties Union and other allies of the newspaper in the Pentagon Papers case, which concerned the Nixon administration's attempt to prevent publication of a secret history of the Vietnam War. They disavowed Mr. Bickel's answer and said the correct response was, "painfully but simply," that free people are entitled to evaluate evidence concerning the government's conduct for themselves.
Which is a good summary of the interest on the other side: Scrutiny of abuses by the government enhances democracy because it promotes accountability and prompts reform.
Justice William O. Douglas, in a 1972 dissent in a case about Congressional immunity, described his view of the basic dynamic. "As has been revealed by such exposés as the Pentagon Papers, the My Lai massacres, the Gulf of Tonkin ‘incident,' and the Bay of Pigs invasion," he wrote, "the government usually suppresses damaging news but highlights favorable news."
Indeed, the Nixon administration successfully opposed the use of the Freedom of Information Act to obtain the release of documents and photographs concerning the killings of hundreds of South Vietnamese civilians in 1968 at My Lai. (The decision led Congress to broaden that law.)
Disclosure of abuses can also provoke a backlash. The indelible images that emerged from the Vietnam War helped turn the nation against the war, and may have steeled America's enemies. And earlier photographs of abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq were used for propaganda and recruitment by insurgents there.
How, then, to apply the lessons of history and law to the possible disclosure of additional images of prisoner mistreatment by Americans in the current wars?
On Wednesday, when Mr. Obama announced that the government was withdrawing from an agreement to comply with court orders requiring release of the images, he said there was little to learn from them and much to fear. But he offered speculation on both sides of the balance.
"The publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals," he said. "In fact, the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in greater danger."
The first assertion, which the Bush administration also made, is not universally accepted. In a 2005 decision ordering the release of the images, Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein of the Federal District Court in Manhattan said they may provide insights into whether the abuses shown were indeed isolated and unauthorized.
And the claim that harm would follow disclosure - that terrorists, for example, would exact revenge - is hard to measure or prove. "The terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan do not need pretexts for their barbarism," Judge Hellerstein wrote. In the Pentagon Papers case, too, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of publication, saying, in essence, that speculation about potential harm was not sufficient.
There are, of course, profound differences between the two cases. One concerned the constitutionality of a prior restraint against publishing information already in the hands of the press; the other is about whether civil rights groups are entitled to obtain materials under the Freedom of Information Act. But both involve contentions that serious harm would follow from publication.
Justice Stewart's answer, in his concurrence in the 6-to-3 decision, was that assertions are not enough. "I cannot say," he wrote, that disclosure "will surely result in direct, immediate and irreparable damage to our nation or its people." In other contexts, too, the Supreme Court has endorsed limits on speech only when it would cause immediate and almost certain harm to identifiable people. More general and diffuse consequences have not done the trick.
In 1949, for instance, the court overturned the disorderly conduct conviction of a Chicago priest whose anti-Semitic speech at a rally had provoked a hostile crowd to riot. Free speech, Justice Douglas wrote, "may indeed best serve its high purpose when it induces a condition of unrest, creates dissatisfaction with conditions as they are or even stirs people to anger."
Fear of violence, however, was enough to persuade many people that publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad should be discouraged or forbidden.
Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who has handled terrorism cases, said the only prudent course in the current case is to withhold the images. "If you're in a war that's been authorized by Congress, it should be an imperative to win the war," he said. "If you have photos that could harm the war effort, you should delay release of the photos."
But Jameel Jaffer, a lawyer with the civil liberties union, said history favored disclosure, citing the 2004 photographs from Abu Ghraib and the 1991 video of police beating Rodney King in Los Angeles.
But the touchstone remains the Pentagon papers case. It not only framed the issues, but also created a real-world experiment in consequences.
The government had argued, in general terms, that publication of the papers would cost American soldiers their lives. The papers were published. What happened?
David Rudenstine, the dean of the Cardozo Law School and author of "The Day the Presses Stopped," a history of the case, said he investigated the aftermath with an open mind.
"I couldn't find any evidence whatsoever from any responsible government official," he said, "that there was any harm."- Posted in
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Show AllOK, there it is. I was all ready to fry this article, because the beginning poses a completely false alternative - here: "whose only offense had been that they were 19 years old and had low draft numbers?" In fact, their "offense" is that they are torturers.
And in the end, of course, we have confirmation that the judge back then, and Obama now, had posed a completely false alternative.
We don't know why O. is so desperate to avoid prosecuting the Bushies for anything, even torture, but I'm afraid we'll eventually find out.
Oregoncharles
"We don't know why O. is so desperate to avoid prosecuting the Bushies for anything, even torture, but I'm afraid we'll eventually find out." - Oregoncharles
The tip-off for me was when Obama totally avoided going to or just the word Gaza, and appeared before Israel's Knesset to speak. His words and tone indicated that if someone in the assembly had requested it, he would have pulled down his trousers and skivvies and bent over.
I was appalled, and I also was bothered by his stating that he would ramp up the number of troops in Afghanistan and he was still referring to going after Osama Bin Ladin, which struck me as incredibly naive, ... and yet given the choice of McCain and Palin, and being impressed with how Obama handled himself in the debates and what he said so very positively in terms of his connection and caring about ordinary citizens, I voted for him ... with hope.
Please third party, folks, don't bash me for not voting for Nader. I did consider writing in Dennis Kucinich's name because he is one of the best we've got, and I had worked hard for him before.
It is clear now that Obama sold his soul early on, and his praised books [DREAMS OF MY FATHER & THE AUDACITY OF HOPE] to the contrary, we've got a slick and shallow man who was more influenced by his Indonesian step-father who compromised himself to keep his government job there even though the corruption--which he once fought--was rampant and becoming more dangerous. He told the young Obama to stay with "the power." The not-so-veiled message was that this was the smarter, safer, and more expedient thing to do. Likely it was, but that advice and what we are getting now is NOT the principled leader that we had hoped for.
Aligning himself with Abraham Lincoln when he announced his candidacy, Obama made frequent references to Lincoln's including in his Cabinet strong, often contentious, members of the opposition. Perhaps it's how Obama saw himself in his best fantasies, that is, intelligent and savvy enough to hold his own, as Lincoln did, and yet lead strongly in such a situation. NOT!
The gift of inspiring oratory is a wonderful thing IF the substance of one's words have true meaning deep down in the soul and inform one's actions.
"Words must mean something," Obama said to the cheering Czechs in early April of this year. That sentence has stuck with me because I know, as a years-ago former advertising person, and as someone who has given inspiring, well-received speeches, that it is easy to manipulate people, inspire them, please them, but when the applause dies now, one then must DELIVER on what one has said and for which one has set the stage.
One final thought, and I'll quote Eisenhower: "I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." and "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
He did live it, and although not perfect as a President and a human being, and not a great speaker, and sometimes garbling syntax, IKE had a decency and a substance from direct experience that too many of the mannequin presidential candidates, and unfortunately, our last President and our current President seriously lack.
It's obvious now, the poorest of us, and the middle-class in the process of being destroyed, are truly in for it. And those in other nations, especially with an Islamic faith and/or who are poor or not rich and/or who are invariably black or brown or tan or yellow, and in our own country still, the same, plus red, and/or who speak other than English, and whose countries or lands either have desirable resources or strategic value ... are in for it.
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." - IKE
Principles? Ah, how quaint. It IS dangerous, often, to act on the best Principles. And for us, they truly died when the music died ... one after the other. And none of those events were ACCIDENTS.
It IS up to us out here, you know. It IS up to us. Do we have both the Principles and the Substance and the ability to Deliver? And that is one tough self-searching question to grapple with.
peace, cm
Sioux Rose
It's always easier to shoot or hide the messenger, than deal with the truth revealed.
"Scrutiny of abuses by the government enhances democracy because it promotes accountability and prompts reform."
Exactly why they don't want it to happen. It's taken 40 years to get over the memory of the Vietnam war. Time, plus a conveniently timed attack on "America" enabled the oligarchs to convince enough cannon fodder to go off to another foreign land in the name of US interests (i.e., corporate interests) and get themselves killed. And yes, there were some human rights abuses in the name of freedom, but if we start holding people accountable, how are we going to be able to do it the next time we need someone else's natural resources or land?
If only America had learned from Vietnam instead of yearning to "get over the memory".
One of the true heroes of that war was then Senator Mike Gravel, who read the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record.
His, again , was one of the only voices of sanity in the recent election circus.
"Who do you want to bomb, Barak?" he asked in one of the early "debates"
A question which needs again to be asked in light of 0's announcement that war with Iran is not off the table.
Here is more on the boy wonder of the left.
"McChrystal's appointment suggests that Obama supports the idea that hunter-killer units and targeted assassinations are an acceptable means of achieving US foreign policy objectives. Obama supporters should pay close attention; this is a continuation of the Rumsfeld policy with one slight difference, a more persuasive and charismatic pitchman promoting the policy. Other than that, there's no difference.
Obama knows of McChrystal's involvement in the prisoner abuse scandal at Baghdad's Camp Nama, just as he knows of his role in the cover-up in the friendly-fire death of ex-NFL star and Army Ranger Pat Tillman. None of this matters to Obama. What matters is winning; not principle, ideals, human rights or civilian casualties. Just winning."
http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney05152009.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries FORWARD SLASH
worldnews/5330481 FORWARD SLASH New-outrage-over-Iraq-prison-abuse-photographs.html
The human mind possesses a very vivid imagination. Can the pictures be any worse than they are imagined to be? What are they, Government sponsored snuff films? Imagined abuses will have every bit as much effect as documented ones, especially if the Government keeps trying to keep a lid on it. The longer you put off a problem, the worse it gets.
Man .. This world is Supporting a GENOCIDE. TAMIL TIGERS (LIBERATION TIGERS OF TAMIL EELAM) is the only defenders of Tamil Civilians in North and East.... Shame on this world. I have to live in this Selfish World.
The article doesn't discuss the possibility that the photos might be withheld until some future date, when circumstances are different. I think there's a fairly strong argument to be made for not allowing release of the photographs at this time because of their inflammatory effect.
The article doesn't distinguish between photographs and other forms of information. Has the government suppressed information about the incidents depicted in the photographs? Is that suppression intended to prevent wrongdoers from being prosecuted? Then release of the information, in verbal form, should be required in the interest of justice. The written information would be analogous to the Pentagon Papers, which were verbal, not graphic. I totally agree with the ACLU position as long as we're talking about written material.
The problem with photos is that their inflammatory potential far exceeds that of verbal descriptions. I believe Obama hasn't alleged that the photos can't be released because they would disclose national secrets, but because their inflammatory impact could endanger U.S. soldiers, as did the Abu Ghraib photos. Photos aren't necessary to knowing the essential facts, and could in fact obscure the facts if they're disturbing. Even the Abu Ghraib photos were redacted to eliminate views of genitals, faces, and other things that no reasonable person needs or wants to see. The reasons for such redaction are similar to the reasons for withholding the photos now in issue from the public.
The article fails to mention that release of the photos could result in prejudice to persons shown in them who will be subject to prosecution. It seems doubtful that everyone shown engaging in criminal activity has already been prosecuted. The photos could be relevant evidence and could be viewed by jurors, judges, attorneys, and litigants in prosecutions of higher-ups like Yoo, Bybee, Bradbury, Rumsfeld, and Cheney. It's said that the photos Obama seeks to withhold are like graphic crime photos, including child pornography. Withholding them could be like withholding from the public and/or from jurors photos connected with criminal prosecutions. To release them in advance of trial could prejudice the due process rights of the defendants. Potential jurors could be prejudiced, and the option of excluding the photos from jurors due to their inflammatory impact would be compromised. Defendants might move to dismiss criminal charges due to the prejudice.
Another reason for not releasing them for publication is that victims of abuse, particularly Muslims, shown in the photos may face severe repercussions in their home societies even if they're totally blameless.
Obama could argue for releasing the photos to prosecutors, a commission, and/or to Congress, with the proviso that only verbal descriptions be made available to the press or other members of the public. Release to the public could be reconsidered after a period of time determined by the courts or statute.
Key point to your argument: if, per chance, there was some future court date then it would make sense to refuse to release information.
What torture investigation? What court date? What prosecution? What jury?
There is none. The entire premise to your above argument is based on speculation of a future that is nonexistent. Obama gave no justification for refusing to release photos that reinforces the above argument. Previous to this current about-face on transparency, Obama showed only lip service to being "open" to an investigation ONLY after he said there would be NO investigation.
I respect your point of view on the handling of a criminal case and the need to withhold evidence from the public until after a case is heard by a court of law. The reality is there is no decree by Obama this day in court will become a reality.
I'm not saying everything turns on future prosecutions, but I agree it looks unlikely right now that the higher officials will be prosecuted even if the photos aren't released. However, if I (a practicing attorney) represented one of these defendants, I would certainly argue that release of the photos prejudiced my client. Even if a court didn't buy it, the argument could influence public opinion. It's commonplace for criminal defendants to gain advantages from inflammatory press coverage of the alleged offense.
Buy the time the Pentagon Paper became public knowledge most soldiers who had served in Vietnam knew the war was lost.
So the disclosure of the papers only served to save American lives, if not Vietnamese lives.
So should pictures of death and destruction by the US forces be published?
Yes, absolutely. Without full public knowledge of government actions, the people do not have the information to rule their own government.
Claiming eminent harm from a stack of obscene photo's is ludicrous when in the same instant on a daily basis scores of civilians are being burnt, butchered and blown to pieces.
yes, but at least they're not being tortured.
0 has put a stop to that - or has he CHANGED his mind again?
I very much like many things that Mr. Obama has done since winning the election. Suppressing these photos is not one of them. The reason the government can "get away with the war in Afghanistan" is the same as it was for the Iraq debacle: Fox and other news media suppressed what was really going on or were suppressed by the Pentagon. The sanitization of the presentation of what our trained-to-kill-troops were doing by embedded reporters and cowboy anchors was deceiving the public. Not presenting these photos for whatever rationalization for it is part of the weapons of mass deception that mesmerizes the American people into supporting the wholly insupportable violence and suffering "our troops" inflict on people around the world, most of whom do not have Abrams tanks and F-14's, robotic drones, or even M-16's to protect themselves with.
Tell us! Show us! We don't want to be guilty of the atrocities you are hiding from us. The guilt borne by our mustered-out troops is a wholly insufficient source of truth. We want democracy to function. The majority of us would close down both Middle East wars instantly if we knew and saw what was going on beneath the sugar-coating provided to us by liars.
Powerful article, powerful response from cee miracles.
I agree with hoytdouglas and glenn ford. Withholding of information is simply manipulation of American people for political purposes. Manning and chuk-it have swallowed the swill of the controlling class.
I will say, when I was picketing the Dow napalm plant in Redwood City CA during the Vietnam War and showing pictures of burnt babies to the workers, they turned their faces away. They didn't want to see. And even when the pictures of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib came out, people managed to forget them or minimize them or whatever.
I think on a deep level Americans know what we're doing and why, but they don't want to face the reality that such a large percentage of the world's population is paying for our lifestyle with their lives.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Swallowed the swill?
Get over yourself, BeForKids.
I didn't say anything supporting the suppression of the photos. Your inability to comprehend my statement is alarming. What I did was respectfully disagree with Manning120's argument for withholding evidence from public in a criminal court hearing scenario. I also think it is unreasonable to state Manning is "swallowing the swill". He/she points to a more abstract scenario for why a hypothetical "prosecution and defense" would wish to keep a wrap on photographic evidence of a crime scene.
What I did was argue there is no court hearing, and this isn't evidence entered into a court of law, and so all of these abstract points are mute.
The reality is we are at stage ONE in the ATTEMPT to get the INVESTIGATION to take fold. We are trying to get the information out -the photographic docs- so we can get our government to prosecute rather than cover up.
But also, in an abstract way, the photos can show the criminality of this war, and, in the minds eye of the antiwar voter, these photos could bring upon our country an era of enlightenment and peace through the graphic representation of war. Even though that's wishful thinking, I think is worth while.
Manning and chuk-it, my bad. I should have read your arguments more carefully. Perhaps I am overly sensitive about cover ups. I apologize.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
apology accepted!
I think if one isn't overly sensitive about these tragic events I would be worried for their welfare...I'm overly sensitive too...
Thanks again and please let this not keep you from challenging me in the future. I'm pleased in use this forum as a tool to strengthen my understanding, and to look deeply at, and to challenge our current world affairs. Holding back won't help the process....
ciao
I agree with President Obama; this is NOT the time to release the pictures of our wrong-doing; they are probably inflammatory to say the least. There is a time a place for everything under the sun as the old saying goes and during a war is not the time to shoot yourself in the foot. There will be time for that later. We need to concentrate on getting Afghastan under control of civil authorities and get the Taliban on the run before we engage in our favorite pasttime, which seem to be self-denigration and mild self-desruction and the airing of dirty laundry.
My brother has been to Iraq 3 times in the last 7 years; he will probably end up in Afghastan the next go round and he is in the USN! So much for being a fleet sailor! I am concerned for him and so many others who go to war and do the dirtiest of our bidding. His safety is more important to me than "your" desire to see pictures of a pornographic nature.
There will be time in the future for all the airing of our dirty laundry; a time when it might not cost another American or Iraqi or Afghanistani their lives because someone on the other side got their feeling hurt! I consider myself to be a progressive and I want the full story aired, but not at the expense of another life. Be patient, your time is coming.
I'm truly sorry your brother will probably end up in Afghanistan. I'm equally sorry he chose to volunteer to do the dirty work of our criminal government.
The time to air the "dirty laundry" is now. Otherwise, this madness will never end.
Your brother chose to defend the Constitution with his life against "enemies foreign or domestic" if necessary. If going to Iraq and perhaps Afganistan to face people who are "inflammed" by these pictures which in turn cause the enemies of our great nations Constitution and Bill of Rights to accountability right here in the USA, I say he has done his duty.
Furthermore, these pictures have been posted worldwide on the internet and elsewhere. They seem to have been released freely and readily everywhere EXCEPT here in the United States. The only people left to inflame are the people of the United States of America, which would seem to be what our leaders are really trying to avoid. If the majority learned what the true nature of our great nation had become what it is today, perhaps we would see real change.
God be with you, your brother and us all.
In our name or are the people who are the caretakers of our government and that includes the military the only ones that get to see and or act on anything that pertains to this so called war that was built on false pretenses anyway?If we dont get to know then it is not democracy.Tony
American troops are in danger because they are participants in an illegal war of aggression.
In the USA for example if you are the 'getaway driver' in an armed robbery where someone is killed, you will be charged with more serious crime of aggravated murder because of your participation.
Every American military member who is serving in the Afghanistan or Iraqi countries is a participant whether they directly shed innocent blood, or not-----
The rules of jurisprudence and law apply across the board and are not open to modification.
America you have more "collective" innocent blood on your "hands" than any other nation on the face of the planet-from your beginning to this day----and it will haunt you for eternity; and history will not forget it.
Good Luck America, you really need it.
"I couldn't find any evidence whatsoever from any responsible government official," he said, "that there was any harm."
ah - the good old days - when there were responsible gov't officials.
used to be there were signs on the desks saying "the buck stops here".
nowadays the signs read "fuck the buck".
Right On!
I'll presently comment on the following two things that the article says.
QUOTE: "Fear of violence, however, was enough to persuade many people that publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad should be discouraged or forbidden."
THAT IS a totally bogus reference or analogy, for cartoon images of Prophet Muhammad were [offencive], religiously, and definitely did not depict any real events that pertain to present or then-present issues. That is far different from images of people tortured by the U.S. government's goons, wounded soldiers, Iraqi children extremely deformed due to depleted uranium that the U.S. spread over Iraq, and ... so on! There is NO comparability!
QUOTE: "Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who has handled terrorism cases, said the only prudent course in the current case is to withhold the images. "If you're in a war that's been authorized by Congress, it should be an imperative to win the war," he said. "If you have photos that could harm the war effort, you should delay release of the photos.""
THE U.S. Congress did [not] authorise this war. The resolution signed by Congress in Oct. 2002 had a number of conditions attached to it and the main one was the need for Iraq to disarm itself of WMD and allow UN weapons inspectors to enter Iraq to carry out inspections. That condition had to fail for it to pass in terms of supporting recourse to war on Iraq, but it FAR from failed! This alone automstically rendered the resolution moot, nil, worthless, inapplicable for war!
I made a few posts over the past couple of days for plenty of resource links on this above topic, and a little more searching yesterday provided the following two pages. The second is linked in the first, but will post both links to point them out immediately to readers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_(2003)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
My posts over the past couple of days or so included considerable excerpts from a Jun 26, 2003, interview between William Rivers Pitt and Ray McGovern for Truthout.org, where the interview transcript is no longer available, but while there presently is a copy at a utah.edu lists page. RM covers a number of the "justifications" the Bush administration used and tried to use, apparently having needed to abandon some due to them certainly being quickly denounced by either the CIA or the DIA, and all of these include the myth about the link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qa'ida, as well as the 9-11 attacks, but he emphasises that the real basis used for the war was WMD and most heavily based on the myth about Saddam Hussein obtaining uranium from Niger and ... the "mushroom clouds" President Bush had tried to use to instill fear into everyone in the USA not long before launching the war on Iraq.
I won't look for the links to my posts now, but it was easy to find the utah.edu link with a simple Web search.
(url broken over two lines)
http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/
2003-July/045344.html