Abu Ghraib Guards Say Memos Show They Were Scapegoats
When the photos of detainee abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq surfaced in 2004, U.S. officials portrayed Army Pvt. Charles A. Graner Jr. as the ringleader of a few low-ranking "bad apples" who illegally put naked Iraqi detainees in painful positions, shackled them to cell doors with women's underwear on their heads and menaced them with military dogs.
Now, the recent release of Justice Department memos authorizing the use of harsh interrogation techniques has given Graner and other soldiers new reason to argue that they were made scapegoats for policies approved at high levels. They also contend that the government's refusal to acknowledge those polices when Graner and others were tried undermined their legal defenses.
Graner remains locked up at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., about halfway through a 10-year prison sentence for detainee abuse, assault and dereliction of duty. His lawyer said this week that he is drafting appeals arguments centered largely on the revelations in the memos and a newly released congressional investigation into the interrogation practices.
President George W. Bush "was so disappointed in what happened, yet the whole time he knew what was going on," said Graner, answering questions through his wife, Megan, who also worked at Abu Ghraib. He is the only one of about a dozen soldiers tried for abuses at the prison who remains incarcerated.
Graner and other defendants -- including Lynndie R. England, who was photographed holding a naked detainee by a leash -- were blocked by military judges from calling senior U.S. officials to the stand at their trials in 2004 and 2005. The government would not acknowledge any policy or procedure that could have led to what the world saw in the photographs.
Some of what the guards at Abu Ghraib did, such as throwing hooded detainees into walls, echoes tactics authorized in the Justice Department memos, such as "walling," in which interrogators were allowed to push detainees in CIA custody into a flexible wall designed to make a loud noise.
But the Abu Ghraib photographs also depicted some actions, such as punching or stomping, that bear no relation to the techniques described in the memos, as well as others that were improvised by guards, such as forcing detainees to masturbate or to form human pyramids while naked.
Charles Gittins, a Virginia lawyer who represents Graner, said he has been fuming since reading the memos. He said he has long believed that there was no way Graner and the other Army Reservists invented techniques such as stress positions, leashing and the use of dogs, and he says the documents confirmed his suspicions.
"Once the pictures came out, the senior officials involved in the decision-making, they knew. They knew they had to have a cover story," Gittins said. " 'It was the bad apples led by Charles Graner.' "
Gittins said he hopes to convince the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces that top officials improperly influenced the court and kept evidence from the defense.
According to the memos and congressional documents, U.S. officials reverse-engineered techniques from U.S. survival training courses designed to teach troops how to endure capture and interrogation. Justice and Defense department officials approved the use of dogs, nudity, stress positions, sleep deprivation and other techniques.
Those tactics, according to the documents, were put into use at the facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in the CIA's secret prisons, and eventually were adopted in Afghanistan and Iraq after then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's approval was forwarded from officials at Guantanamo to Capt. Carolyn Wood, a military intelligence officer. She told investigators that she then sought approvals in Afghanistan for the tactics and brought them with her to Iraq and Abu Ghraib. Senior officers in Iraq also approved the methods there.
Though considered illegal under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the tactics were put into official use in late 2003. They have since been banned in a new Army Field Manual on interrogations.
Janis L. Karpinski, a former Army Reserve general in charge of prisons in Iraq who was demoted and left the service as a result of the Abu Ghraib scandal, said she was stunned silent by the administration memos.
"I could have cried," Karpinski said. "I always had a sense of betrayal because it's just disgusting. I'm sure those photos scared the hell out of them," she added, referring to Bush administration officials. "Here, in living color, you have a photographic rendition of your memos. Is that what they wanted it to look like? Guess what, that is what it looks like."
It is unclear whether low-level soldiers who were convicted of crimes can retrospectively use the Justice Department memos to their advantage. Gary Myers, a New Hampshire lawyer who represented Ivan L. "Chip" Frederick on abuse charges, said that unless the soldiers knew about the policies specifically, the memos might be irrelevant in a courtroom. Still, Myers said he is going to use the recent developments to try to get Frederick's dishonorable discharge removed from his record.
"If what was suggested as license was itself illegal, relying on illegal documents or opinions is not in my mind a defense," Myers said. "What we know now is we had at the time a rogue government that created an environment where this sort of conduct was condoned, if not encouraged. But it doesn't do anything for you when you hold it up against the maltreatment statute of the [Uniform Code of Military Justice], which is law, passed by the Congress."
Staff researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report.
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47 Comments so far
Show AllTotally agree! None of these anti-human genocidal policies can be carried out without peons who are willing to follow orders against their own humanity.
**I think they are acting very human. only humans take pleasure from causing misery to others, while knowing they are causing misery. Mark Twain said it a century ago, as well as
man is the only animal that blushes, or needs to.
"Human supremacists need to get their heads out of their asses to see things clearly."
I appreciate all the philosophy surrounding this topic. However, I don't see how ANYONE could convince me to rape a person, shove broomsticks into him, or apply electricity to his genitals.
I doubt anything other than a truly EVIL animal could strip innocent (until proven guilty) people naked and make them have oral sex with each other, or wrap them in Israeli flags and force them to sing the Israeli national anthem...why do our soldiers carry Israeli flags, anyway?
THE ABUSE AT OUR PRISONS IS ABOUT RAPE AND SEXUAL GRATIFICATION. Have you seen the one where a female soldier is sniffing around a pile of naked A-rabs?
"Have you ever heard of people having fun?" --D. Rumsfeld.
We have to come to grips with how we have created a huge catch-22:
We take individuals who join the armed forces, and we break them down in boot camp. We expose them to intensive training, group pressure, and insults, to make them inclined to that, when they receive an order, they will not ask questions. The authority figure says jump, and the individual whose identity has been broken down and replaced by the group identity says, "How high?"
Training sometimes includes exposure to tear gas, as well as exposure to torture, rationalized this way: If members of the military are captured and exposed to intensive interrogation, we must make them ready to defend themselves. Or so we're told.
So if we treat our own this way, how can it be torture to treat prisoners at Guantanamo, or Abu Ghraib, or Bagram AFB that way?
The problem is not just the torture.
Repeat: The problem is not just the torture.
The problem is this whole dysfunctional, corrupt system we have created.
The problem is that America is full of mean, cruel, people-like beings who walk among us and sit next to us in church.
michael jordan
http://sites.google.com/site/apolloguide/
First, prove selective prosecution, then show that selective prosecution lacks do process.
New trial, then acquittal.
"According to the memos and congressional documents, U.S. officials reverse-engineered techniques from U.S. survival training courses designed to teach troops how to endure capture and interrogation."
Why did they have to go through all this 'reverse-engineering'? Were all the torture classes at the School of the Americas/Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC) full?
Obama is complicit in defending the prosecution of torture. And, in that way, he too should be held accountable. Why does our President continue to be evasive on this issue? Why does he insist on reconstituting a financial system that does not work, opresses people. feeds only the top 1% of monied people and now appears to be grotesque parody of Democracy and free markets. Milton Friedman had a big hand in this and we all know his record and practices worked only at the end of a gun; or a binding IMF check that makes indentured servants of foreign leaders. When will this stop? When will America become the country it was intended to be?
Abu Ghraib et al. came streight from Rumsfeld and Cheney and the rest of the Pentagram Crasies. When have the truly guilty ever been punished for war crimes?
My Lai, No Gun Ri, Mount Carmel and Ruby Ridge, USS Liberty, Sabra and Gaza, and so it goes.
The wikipedia on Chuck is really revealing. He was very "Western PA" crazy way before he went to Iraq. What a strappin' Republican man (?):
"In 1994, he began working as a Corrections officer at Fayette County Prison in a shift with a "no-nonsense reputation." Once, Graner was accused of putting mace in a new guard's coffee as a joke, causing him to be sick.[5]
In May 1996, he moved to the State Correctional Institution - Greene, a maximum-security prison in Greene County, Pennsylvania. Almost 70 percent of the inmates were black, many from large cities, but it was located in a rural part of the state and more than 90 percent of the guards were white.[6] Guards at the prison were accused of beating and sexually assaulting prisoners and conducting cavity searches in view of other prisoners. There were also reports of racism, including reports of guards writing "KKK" in the blood of a beaten prisoner. In 1998, two guards were fired and 20 others were suspended, demoted or reprimanded for prisoner abuse.[5] [7]
In 1998, a prisoner accused Graner and three other guards of planting a razor blade in his food, causing his mouth to bleed when he ate it.[6] The prisoner accused the guards of first ignoring his cries for help and then punching and kicking him when they took him to the nurse. Graner was accused of telling him to "Shut up, nigger, before we kill you."[5] The allegations were denied; although a federal magistrate judge ruled that the charges had "arguable merit in fact and law," the case was dismissed when the prisoner disappeared after his release.[5]
Graner and four other guards were also accused of beating another prisoner who had deliberately flooded his cell, taunting anti-capital punishment protesters, using racial epithets and telling a Muslim inmate he had rubbed pork all over his tray of food.[5]
A second lawsuit involving Graner was brought by a prisoner who claimed that guards made him stand on one foot while handcuffed and tripped him. This allegation, however, was ruled to have been made too late under the statute of limitations.[6][3]"
I am convinced that he had no problem in perpetrating the abuses he was charged with. Guys like this make it humiliating to be a human being. Can we please create another category for proto-lifeforms like Chuck? Human being is just too complimentary... Predator perhaps? He went out of his way to get in positions which would further hone and refine his brutal sick bestiality. And Lyndie Englund was in love with him. I can never go home to Western PA. They are all mesmerized by "The Deer Hunter". No wonder Specter wanted distance.
michael jordan
http://sites.google.com/site/apolloguide/
Now why are we not arresting Bush Cheney, Rumsfeld and others.
Clinton was nearly impeached for having sex with one person (an lying about it)
Bush Likked 2 million people with his policies yet nobody talks.
Chavez was right Bush is the Devil
The world is a sick place
"Chavez was right Bush is the Devil"...and I've got the astrology to prove it...He is the beast 666. You can bank on it and he is still loose out among the unwashed, sowing seeds of discord.
You need to have that dyslexia checked! ;)
michael jordan
http://sites.google.com/site/apolloguide/
Deepa
The guards, who were involved in carrying out torture on Iraqis and others, are NOT SCAPEGOATS. This is evident from the photos released, where one finds these guards ENJOYING EVERY BIT OF THEIR CRUELTY.
The guards knew what they were doing and they did IT willfully and cheerfully. The "THUMBS UP" sign says it all.
Therefore, let us not use the term "scapegoat" for the MONSTERS.
The guards are guilty of not refusing to torture. A few courageous ones were incarcerated for refusing to torture, but having said that, they are the sacrificial lambs for Bush, Condi,Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bybee, and the rest who condoned and supported these egregious practices.
...and one lady guard refused to torture and ended up a suicide because of the enormous pressures that were brought to bear upon her.
michael jordan
http://sites.google.com/site/apolloguide/
If we had an honest press that lady would have been extolled as a REAL hero 24/7, like they did to the private from West Virginia that admitted her rescue was phony.
Good point. And her "suicide" may very well have been a "homicide."
I think they should get new trials. Not because they aren't guilty--they are. But they certainly weren't a few "bad apples." The whole stinkin tree is rotten. If they got new trials, the memos could be used as evidence that these policies came from the top. They're still guilty of following illegal orders.
Since the president is supposed to be the CIC of the military, could the military bring him to trial in front of a military court for breaching the code of military law? If the civvie court isn't going to prosecute, could this story somehow evolve into bush being dragged in front of the courts he created? It'd be ironic if that did happen, but I won't hold my breath.
10 years for the crimes he committed isn't much time at all -and several other criminals were given less sentence for crimes. And Yes, prosecution should go further and farther up the chain.
Think about all of the things they did prosecution couldn't prove because it wasn't in the photos. They should have gotten 10 years for every prisoner they tortured by raping, beating, electrocution. They should be given 10 years for international distribution of photographs of torture. The fact they aren't doing 25 to life should be the prayer they say every night. The prisoner/victim should be allowed to pursue civil suits against the US GOVT.
anyway, I was the scapegoat....
Kind of like the career armed robber with 15 robberies under his belt pleading innocent because he wasn't the gun man in the -one- robbery for which he was prosecuted. ...the other 14 armed robberies , prosecution didn't have enough physical evidence to prosecute. So the violent felon gets out in less than 6 years.
-"If what was suggested as license was itself illegal, relying on illegal documents or opinions is not in my mind a defense,"
Yes the reserve soldiers are guilty. They commited war crimes, but...
Are they Americans going to give us another Alice in Wonderland situation? For example:
The soldiers appeals are refused because they are relying on "illegal documents", but...
The Bush gang is not guilty because the "illegal documents" were "legal", arrived at through the proper "policy" channels, approved by lawyers to the "best of their ability" and carried out by subordinates in "good faith".
Does that make sense to anyone?
Yes.... Condi Rice and the Bush Gang.
I look forward to hearing their reasoning given in a more formal setting, such as a court room. I would be suprised if it consists of more than "if the president does it, then it is legal"
The Abu Ghraib guards were certainly scapegoats, but their directed sadism was a crime that rightly punished. Justice needs to be served with the imprisonment of the mysterious "contractors" on the scene ordering the torture, and the Adolf Eichmann-like bureaucrats whom enabled this Islamic terrorist recruiting tool. Until then, this is an example of "justice delayed, justice denied."
Graner and England were ordered to "soften em up." And that is what they did. If they deserve prison, then Rumsfeld, et al should in there with them. It makes me puke to see the lowest level soldiers being scapegoated and being called "a few bad apples" while the likes of Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney go free. It is appalling. What kind of person is Rumsfeld. Could you sit by and watch people imprisoned for doing less than you had yourself ordered?
Rumsfeld was a very obvious sadist. It was profoundly and offensively obvious just by watching him speak on the subject. These are twisted people. That is why you ask your question here. You can't fathom it. However, it is the only logical conclusion, my perceptions and insight notwishstanding.
Why would anyone waterboard one human being over on hundred times in one month? Pure sadism.
To go a bit further. I completely agree that the subordinates who 'were only following orders' (I thought Nuremberg did away with that defense), should be prosecuted. One can be used as a 'scapegoat' and still be guilty of committing a crime against humanity, etc. It isn't an either/or situation here.
And of course it needs to go further up the line, to the top. But Obama will never go there. Obviously. He is in over his head and competency level. He is there to appear calm and cool under all situations.
Graner and England are sociopaths who got what they deserved. If only Bush, Cheney, Yoo, Bybee, Rumsfeld, and Rice could join them.
Actually they got off easily. They killed people. That crime requires the death penalty. The only problem is that Graner did this thing day in and day out while working in Pennsylvania prisons. He has been acting out sick scenarios under authority of uniform since 1994. He was 26 then. He had been involved in this kind of thing for 8 years before he got the opportunity to do it in the Marines. Graner was torturing daily for the PA Dept. of Corrections well before Bush was elected. An old pro! Ain't America Grand?!
michael jordan
http://sites.google.com/site/apolloguide/
No VAGreen, Bush and his gang need the rope.
Charles Graner was a sadistic prison guard (and wife-beater) long before he went to Iraq. If anyone thinks what happened at Abu Ghraib doesn't happen in prisons across the US every day, they haven't been paying attention.
Re realdim May 1st, 2009 10:33 am
Damn right. Graner didn't get a supervisory position at a prison by random chance.
This is not news. Every reader of CD knew this years ago. It's just too bad that the whining little tyrrants could not find their tongues back when they were applying the 'enhanced techniques.' The bigger tyrrants, sporting stars, bars, or pinstripes, of course bear the primary responsibility, and need to be stripped of their bloody assets and imprisoned until we are sure that they are safe to put on the streets.
Lasting justice will not be found in prosecutions, though. We need to change the environment that breeds these monsters of imperialism. If you want to live in a world marked by universal peace, sustainability, equality and affluence, build the party of international communist revolution. To my knowledge, there is no other path, and I challence CD readers to put forward something better. (For the neophyte, expect that there will be no substantive rebuttals, simply because they do not exist!)
Red Tide,
It is almost crazy that anyone would promote a "Communist" dictatorship after the excesses the world witness under the Stalinist USSR or under Maoist China.
Cool down and think this idea through.
There is lots of confusion about terms, and much of what seems almost crazy is due to deliberate obfuscation over the years.
The primary war in society is between economic classes, especially between owners and workers in today's world - the bourgeoisie and proletariat. We live in a 'dictatorship' of the bourgeoisie. The government here serves the owning class first and foremost. Everyone knows this is true, but most have not adequately probed the consequences and prospects for change that the oligarchy of capital presents. Built into this once useful, but now parasitic and malignant economic system are poverty, nationalism, war, and economic calamity. To advance socially, we must break out of the dog eat dog paradigm of crumbling capitalism, and move toward a world of peace, sustainability, equality and affluence, there is only one known path. That path requires the awakening of the power of labor, and harnessing it behind the party(s) of international communist revolution. A successful revolution would be marked by a 'dictatorship' of the workers' organs over all competing classes in society. It really doesn't matter if this prescription appeals to you, because if you sincerely share the end goals listed, there simply is no other known path.
It is not news, but what will President Obama do to reestablish the "Rule of Law"?
I was watching Zeitgeist the movie with a Republican Conservative who worked in DOD. When, it came to Part 3 and Rockefeller standing in front of his Council on Foreign Relations, I stopped the movie....."All but two of Obama´s main advisors come from Rockefeller's ("The New World Order Guy") Council on Foreign Relations," I said and added,"They have the whole world in their hands."
So, Obama defends NSA spying in court. So, Obama will not bring to trial Israeli Spies. So, Obama will not bring charges against CIA personnel who destroyed over 200 hours of "Torture Videos". So, Obama will expand the Afghanistan Illegal Invasion and continue the Iraqi Illegal Invasion/Occupation........
Obama has yet to talk about the 10.8 TRILLION DOLLAR National Debt that will be more than 12.5 TRILLION DOLLARS by the end of 2009...........
Not one General has been replaced that supported the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan............Not one General who ordered "The Stand Down of Norad" on 9/11/2001 has been replaced. (I could be wrong.)
Whether it is a "Swine Flu" or a "False Flag Attack", the same people who ran America into the ground are still the same "Power Elite" telling Obama what he can and can't do.
Lasting justice REQUIRES prosecutions. If these people involved in torture---all the way up the chain of command are not prosecuted the practice will continue. There MUST be prosecutions. Not with slaps on the hand or just a lot of talk. The guilty must be held accountable for their actions and "just following orders" is no defense.
Agreed. I only meant that within the present reality, prosecutions would not hit at the heart of the beast, only its droppings.
abolish the federal reserve system and fractional reserve lending, end food subsidies and re-establish the small farming food production, break up huge monopolies and localize the economy and you will regain economic justice. shut down bases all over the world and end the empire. and then tell you commies to go f yourselves. i will not sacrafice my freedom to a bunch of douchebags at party headquarters who'd rather write 5 year plans than do any real work. hows that for your challenge.
Do you really think your program would work? Did you forget that there are a few billion other people - all as valuable as you or I, who do not live in the USA? What about them? Perhaps you think they will just go away and be happy with their dirt-floored shack in the slums? And what if the folks in the local economy next door have lots of oil, and your local economy has none?
And what makes you think you must sacrifice freedom in a more just society? The idea is to rationally harness the technology we have developed and expand the freedom of everyone, and remove the threat of war and poverty. The last statement is particularly misdirected. The Repugnocrats certainly have sacrificed many your freedoms, but you say nothing about that.
In any case, you are certainly offer no serious challenge. Instead, your foul rant serves to reinforce my arguement. Thanks!
You're right. It CAN'T be news, it's in a major newspaper...therefore been screened to make sure it doesn't challenge those who are presently in power.
Totally agree! None of these anti-human genocidal policies can be carried out without peons who are willing to follow orders against their own humanity. Very few like to hear this. They would rather view those that commit these acts as victims. Sorry, I don't buy it.
You grow up in an educational systen that requires that you submit to authority, no questions asked.
Then you go to boot camp where you are taught not to think but only to follow orders.
Look at that generation, have you ever seen one of them complain to the manager?
Now you expect them to think for themselves? Look what happened in St. Paul to the free thinkers.
The Empire does not allow free thinkers or questioners and the cookie cutter educational system is under their control.
It takes a very strong or foolish individual to stand up to the entire chain of command and each one that does deserves a Medal of Honor.
I call it "a de-education system"....even much worse now than when I grew up...the 50's.
It is noteworthy how subtle the propaganda has become. There will almost never be a frontal assault on the clearly attractive alternative of international economic and political equality - socialism, especially in opposition to an articulate socialist. Instead, the whole notion is iced out, and only dissent within their paradigm is allowed.
Unwritten and unchallengeable assumptions include that there are no economic classes, only people; that serving in the military is honorable; that capitalism is the end of history; that borders are sensible, just and permanent; etc. The charade of our beloved Congress' health care reform debate comes to mind, with our august rulers acting as if the elephant of "single payer" was not sitting on the table.
Even this article, subtracting from its merit for bringing this to light, sits atop some such misleading assumptions. It's hard to say how deliberate or unconscious these are, but how much does that matter? The report contains a subtle implication - by lack of a simple declaration to the contrary - that if there weren't all that torture, the war itself might have merit. Neither is simple incarceration without hope of rehab or fulfillment (assuming true 'guilt' to begin with, which is often a stretch) ever challenged as being torture - which it is, and which is visited upon millions right here at home. The current definition of torture is clearly made by the ones who might be inflicting it, not those on the receiving end! And never is the systemic flaw of imperialist sociopathy mentioned, and certainly the international communist solution is invisible here. ...And so on. An unspoken and relevant truth is a lie.
Sometimes it seems as if time doesn't move at all anymore:
"As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool,
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can't really function you're so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still fucking peasents as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero well just follow me,
If you want to be a hero well just follow me.
Thanks John; I love you man, ...I really do.
michael jordan
http://sites.google.com/site/apolloguide/
That's two of us. Where is his replacement?
Either that or a man for the ages. I think the latter.
Just the reading of the song
The words spin through my life
Tears well up in my eyes as
I cry as to the world we had and lost...
michael jordan
http://sites.google.com/site/apolloguide/
We have become corporate efficient. We have factory schools, factory pig farms and chicken farms, big box stores.