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Prince of Darkness Denies Own Existence
Listening to neoconservative mastermind Richard Perle at the Nixon Center yesterday, there was a sense of falling down the rabbit hole.
In real life, Perle was the ideological architect of the Iraq war and of the Bush doctrine of preemptive attack. But at yesterday's forum of foreign policy intellectuals, he created a fantastic world in which:
1. Perle is not a neoconservative.
2. Neoconservatives do not exist.
3. Even if neoconservatives did exist, they certainly couldn't be blamed for the disasters of the past eight years.
"There is no such thing as a neoconservative foreign policy," Perle informed the gathering, hosted by National Interest magazine. "It is a left critique of what is believed by the commentator to be a right-wing policy."
So what about the 1996 report he co-authored that is widely seen as the cornerstone of neoconservative foreign policy? "My name was on it because I signed up for the study group," Perle explained. "I didn't approve it. I didn't read it."
Mm-hmm. And the two letters to the president, signed by Perle, giving a "moral" basis to Middle East policy and demanding military means to remove Saddam Hussein? "I don't have the letters in front of me," Perle replied.
Right. And the Bush administration National Security Strategy, enshrining the neoconservative themes of preemptive war and using American power to spread freedom? "I don't know whether President Bush ever read any of those statements," Perle maintained. "My guess is he didn't."
The Prince of Darkness -- so dubbed during his days opposing arms control in the Reagan Pentagon -- was not about to let details get in the way of his argument that "50 million conspiracy theorists have it wrong," as the subtitle of his article for National Interest put it. "I see a number of people here who believe and have expressed themselves abundantly that there is a neoconservative foreign policy and it was the policy that dominated the Bush administration, and they ascribe to it responsibility for the deplorable state of the world," Perle told the foreign policy luminaries at yesterday's lunch. "None of that is true, of course."
Of course.
He had been a leading cheerleader for the Iraq war, predicting that the effort would take few troops and last only a few days, and that Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction. Perle was chairman of Bush's Defense Policy Board -- and the president clearly took the advice of Perle and his fellow neocons. And Perle, in turn, said back then that Bush "knows exactly what he's doing."
Yesterday, however, Perle said Bush's foreign policy had "no philosophical underpinnings and certainly nothing like the demonic influence of neoconservatives that is alleged." He also took issue with the common view that neocons favored using American might to spread democratic values. "There's no documentation!" he argued. "I can't find a single example of a neoconservative supposed to have influence over the Bush administration arguing that we should impose democracy by force."
Those in the room were skeptical of Perle's efforts to recast himself as a pragmatist.
Richard Burt, who clashed with Perle in the Reagan administration, took issue with "this argument that neoconservatism maybe actually doesn't exist." He reminded Perle of the longtime rift between foreign policy realists and neoconservative interventionists. "You've got to kind of acknowledge there is a neoconservative school of thought," Burt challenged.
"I don't accept the approach, not at all," the Prince of Darkness replied.
Jacob Heilbrunn of National Interest asked Perle to square his newfound realism with the rather idealistic title of his book, "An End to Evil."
"We had a publisher who chose the title," Perle claimed, adding: "There's hardly an ideology in that book." (An excerpt: "There is no middle way for Americans: It is victory or holocaust. This book is a manual for victory.")
Regardless of the title, Heilbrunn pursued, how could so many people -- including lapsed neoconservative Francis Fukuyama -- all be so wrong about what neoconservatives represent?
"It's not surprising that a lot of people get something wrong," Perle reasoned.
At times, the Prince of Darkness turned on his questioners. Fielding a question from the Financial Times, he said that the newspaper "propagated this myth of neoconservative influence." He informed Stefan Halper of Cambridge University that "you have contributed significantly to this mythology."
"There are some 5,000 footnotes," Halper replied. "Documents that you've signed."
But documents did not deter denials. "I've never advocated attacking Iran," he said, to a few chuckles. "Regime change does not imply military force, at least not when I use the term," he said, to raised eyebrows. Accusations that neoconservatives manipulated intelligence on Iraq? "There's no truth to it." At one point, he argued that the word "neoconservative" has been used as an anti-Semitic slur, just moments after complaining that prominent figures such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld -- Christians both -- had been grouped in with the neoconservatives.
"I don't know that I persuaded anyone," Perle speculated when the session ended.
No worries, said the moderator. "You certainly kept us all entertained."
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Show AllTechnically he is correct. There is a single policy endorsed by both Democrats and Republicans, and that is Globalization, which is just another word for Empire. The neocons are more in your face about it and do a lousy job convincing even the gullible, the left talks soft and nice nice, and does a better job trying to justify what they do, like Clintons people in the Serbian war which was also propaganda like Iraq, but they do much the same. Obama is increasing forces in Afghanistan and talking tough on Pakistan while remaining silent on Israels policies against the Palestinians.
Politics has become much like a religion. The left has it's church of Democrats, the right has it's church of Republicans. Their church does no wrong, the other church is evil. In the center, we watch and hope both left and right knock each other out and their church burns, but nobody viable ever steps up as an alternative since the system is so corrupt a 3rd party candidate just can not compete with candidates who can raise 600 million to buy the 30 second commercials that convince people who to vote for.
And most (95%) of the incumbents in Congress who had to stand for election in 2008, the worst Congress in history, who never opposed the Republican policies on any issue relating to foreign policy and security, got re-elected. People vote for their church, no matter what.
Democracy works only when the majority of people can think and reason and question what they are told. Today the majority of people accept the religous dogma of their Church and have faith. Like it or not, we are a political theocracy, people chose which religion, Democrats or Republicans, and both religions worship the God of Globalization. Our founding fathers must be rolling in their graves, we are everything they were against.
MI MI; well said. they have the same paymaster.
If you really want to understand these people, I suggest you read two classics very carefully. Lewis Carol's "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass." Once you have absorbed those, you should have absolutely no trouble understanding both the Neocons and American Politics
How come this sick f**k isn't living in this country, the country that he and his thug pals never tire of telling us, is the "greatest country in the world"?
How come "the greatest country in the world" isn't good enough for his home, and, of all places, he chooses "old Europe," and, worse even, France (he lives in the town of Gordes, in the region of France called Luberon), a country that opted out of joining the coalition of the willing?
But, hey, when you are Perle, prince of darkness, why should you care about being consistent? When you are Perle, you just make your own reality.
Remember that, folks, when we were told by the White House, I believe, that, yes, "we are an empire now, we make our own reality"?
The Wa. Post, i.e., the CIA's favorite newspaper, article says, "In real life, Perle was the ideological architect of the Iraq war and of the Bush doctrine of preemptive attack."
If he was the architect, then who were his bosses, who was he really working for, given architects work for others, clients? And of course neither The People of the USA, nor The People of Iraq, were clients.
Being architect doesn't make a person boss, but rather an employee or contractor, say, and like any employee, or contractor, the person can choose to refuse to work for some people who would like to hire the services of the architect. Perle was clearly hired, so who were his paymasters, clients, bosses, masters?!
There's also a major difference between being an architect of plans and being the person who is C-in-C and orders the plans to be carried out; we should all know. Sure, Bush Jr was only figurehead C-in-C, for there were others who were more C-in-C than he was and they used Karl Rove, aka "Bush's brain", to write his speeches, used electronic communication to guide him through public speeches, such as the time that a cameraman filmed Bush Jr's back and we could see that there definitely was a small box-shaped electronic device under his coat and on his back, f.e., etcetera.
And Bush purportedly did not always first receive documents that the president should've received first; instead, it's been reported that Cheney arranged to have such documents rerouted to his office first, and obviously so that he could go over these before the president could. Too.
There are plenty of reasons for realising that Bush was C-in-C, in official terms, quite only; not really in real or concrete terms. Whenever he began to speak in softening ways with regards to the war on Iraq, and he did one time state that the rest of the world would be better or much better off if the U.S. withdrew, letting that honesty accidentally slip out and quickly trying to get back to the line that he was strategically supposed to be speaking on, Cheney would come forward strongly pro-war, etcetera, very quickly, within at most a few days. Cheney peculiarly conducted himself on 9-11. Cheney ... was more president than Bush Jr was and employed the position of VP to be right up close to the presidential office for his own personal reasons. He was CEO of the world's largest oil industry services company before becoming VP and did [not] really cut ties as he only made to publicly appear to have done so. I forget which article or articles I read about that latter bit of information from, but it was definitive in terms of source, as well as providing some details, like how he was still tied, had not given up what he claimed, publicly, to have given up in terms of the ties, this sort of detail.
But Perle was only architect, so who was he working for, under whose orders?!
Yes! Hitler's architect, Albert Speer, was able to escape the harshest judgment of the Nuremberg tribunals, even though he was deeply involved in planning Hitler's wars, because he was not one of the bosses.
I believe you are correct. Perle is not as culpable as many, although he is just as despicable.
TALONS; interesting tid bit about albert speer. when he was in spandau prison pacing the yard. he counted how many paces he had been walking over the years in the circle of the yard. one day he declared if i walk x amount of more paces, i will be in moscow.
It's simply an evil man trying to wriggle out of responsibility because of the current climate of blame. Those who rationalize the truth are followers of the "Father of Lies" without even believing in such a being. They don't believe in the concept of truth, just use it like they use everything else to justify their own greed. They 'do what's necessary'. Then they sit back to see how many suckers have swallowed their latest lie. If it doesn't fly, they go back to the drawing board. In the United States, such bulshit usually does fly. Rush Limbaugh has made fame and fortune with it.
Great article. It could be used to show the inner workings of megalomania.
Perle is clearly deranged. He has a split personality. He is capable of anything.
He may well believe that he is Santa and Jesus as well. He may even think he's the Statue of Liberty!
For a closer look at reality, check my blog.
www.dangerouscreation.com
"George Markley February 20th, 2009 7:35 pm
It's simply an evil man trying to wriggle out of responsibility because of the current climate of blame. Those who rationalize the truth are followers of the "Father of Lies" without even believing in such a being."
It's awfully too easy to repeat things others have said or are purported to have said and then try to pretend that they equally apply when we use the same words. Rationalising, "to make rational" (instead of irrational) or to "interpret from a rational standpoint" (instead of an irratioinal standpoint), infers [reasoning], analysing, ..., and this is of real value; it helps to form a better judgement or to arrive at a saner and more mature analysis or understanding.
F.e., we can rationally state and believe, or even know (based on many-times-repeated history) that if it hadn't been Richard Perle who wrote the policies he wrote and which was for his bosses, paymasters, ..., then it would've been someone else; therefore, blaming people like Perle, that is in the kind of position he was in, as if they're responsible and no one else is is to do like the U.S. govt and military have been doing in trying and convicting troops for crimes committed in the war on Iraq while not prosecuting and while therefore protecting their superiors, who gave orders, training to be murderers, and so on.
Perle was and is a goon, but not [boss], so focusing on him and not on them is to lie like the "father of lies" [does] lie. He, like criminal boss humans, like others to be scapegoats. He's guilty, but his bosses or employers are more criminal and guilty than he was. They're all guilty and should be tried, convicted, sentenced, etcetera, but not only him; Perle, that is (you can dream about doing the same to the "father of lies", but you'd be dreaming, only).
That's being rational. Anything less is irrational and either ignorant or else malicious, like actually participating in protecting the most guilty, criminal parties of all.
For an introduction to the genesis of the neocons' core values at the foot of the true "Father of Lies," University of Chicago Professor of History, Leo Strauss, this article is excellent:
Ignoble liars: Leo Strauss, George Bush, and the Philosophy of Mass Deception
http://www.lacosapizza.com/shorris.html
I blame the people with the moola. Follow the money trail, and you will eventually run into a devil. Those who finance wars and influence the powerful usually prefer to remain in the shadows. By the way, I'm an agnostic, and don't particularly believe in devils or a "father of lies", but I do believe in an attitude that rationalizes not acting like a sentient being and 'treating others as we would like to be treated'. We have a chance to evolve, to upgrade the old animal instinct that tells us to screw others before being screwed so that we will be able to reproduce our genes. Someone comes along who teaches the golden rule and they are crucified and made into a god (when was the last time you heard a minister paint the picture of Jesus dealing with the money lenders? Instead, he is held up as a blood sacrifice.)
boblecht
It took far too long for this cabal of rabid radicals to be exposed. If not for the internet shining a light on their blight, they would still be pushing the propaganda and the MSM would be replicating it for the masses. Perle's attempt to remake himself is part of a much larger attempt by the Neo-Cons to reestablish some level of credibility in the media. I'm sickened to see these guys and their new recruits from their think tanks and propaganda factories frequently featured as "authoritative" talking heads in the media, including (God save us) NPR and PBS. To give them a fresh voice is a grave mistake. These guys are the greatest internal national security threat we face. They are committed to their ideology, evangelically fervent in their commitment to spread the word, and they duplicate like worms cut in half. Continue to challenge their credibility and sanity with articles like this--PLEASE!
Perle, W Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are in one word; AMBASSADORS OF SATAN'S EMPIRE. THE DEVIl.
OK. So they're not neo's and the policy wasn't "neo-conservative"...
I guess that means they just flat went in for the OIL.
Perle and his people, the cadre of neoconservatives, the right-wing world black and whiters, have no principles and when confronted with the principles they expound, having no principles, they deny those priniciples.
The revisionists are scrambling and scratching out the lie to alter their history, until they are the benign do-gooders who only love their country.
Nut-job liars with no core.
What more can be said.
Makes me want to puke.
not directly about perle, but one of his comrades in armchair warriordom, uebergruppensturmfuehrer frederick kagan:
WARNING: don't read if you don't want to gag in disgust at how mind-numbingly racist, stupid, & homicidal neocons (or whatever you want to call them) are:
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/02/20/knowing-where-we-stand-on-afghanistan/
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at a minimum, having been wrong about literally everything for 8 straight years, you'd think perle, kagan, kristol, brooks et al would just shut the hell up. you'd be waaaaaaaaay wrong. at long last...have you no shame?
Perle might be right about Bush not reading neocon documents. Too much like work.
He is in France eh? May the French bring their guillotines, afterall they will need them with this neocon in their midst.
Perle is right, American bully boys have been trampling other nations for decades and Bush was just a blatant continuation of it. Look up School for the America's or the Carter Doctrine if you have any doubts. Remember Vietman that war was based an a lie as well.
Cheers,
RR
No doubt about it..
Perle and the other odious people he clumps with are true cowards of the basest kind. Intellectual midgets compared to almost anybody else at all.. but with the cunning of cornered rats..
Now that the eagles are circling for the kill, the vultures are getting nervous..
They will try and get away and lay low until the next opportunity arises to become "(not-)neocons" (Tm) again.. only this time with a different name.
Remember how Cheney and Rumsfeld were such lying bastards in the Regan era??
But then they believe the twisted philosophy of their "mentor", the stunted genius Strauss..
A man with 'views' that would have been laughed at by any half respectable half drunk, except these views could be harnessed to the evil philosophy of the meat grinder of Zionism.. It is essential if you are a "(not-)neocon" (Tm) to realise that the proles (that is you and I) can not understand how important it is to actually, really, destroy, literally tear up our world, so that we may rebuild it again in a new exciting way, under their benevolent and wise guidance. They really believe this crappulent posturing and have worked towards it..... The approved techniques to push their "philosophy" upon a reluctant humanity include deception and blatant lies.. It is obvious Perle is adept at both..
Lunatics like this once were safely locked up where they practised their intellectual and physical onanism in relative seclusion.
Is it actually possible that people listened to these bastards because they were mostly Jews, dual nationality Israelis and Americans (the only people so blessed.. odd that..) bending over so as NOT to give "offence" to the only righteous victims in the entire history of the world??
As welcome as turds in a swimming pool, all of them..
Scott Peck wrote a book called "People of the Lie". I didn't like it because I didn't want to believe it.
About four years ago a friend of mine said "Some people are just no damned good". I said I didn't believe that, but I knew it was true.
The entrance to Fermi Lab has a sculpture called "Broken symmetry". Something about being, the world as it is, is broken, malformed, maybe unfinished, I don't know, but the proclamation in Genesis "He saw it was very good"---no.
Who would choose to be this man? Not me. Not him either I would bet. Bad genes? Bad parenting? Product of a sick society? Maybe all three. Scott Peck said some people were just evil. That is no answer, it is merely restating the reality of the situation.
"Nietzsche February 21st, 2009 7:09 am
Scott Peck wrote a book called "People of the Lie". I didn't like it because I didn't want to believe it."
You "didn't [want] to believe it", which is not to say that you "didn't believe it", for there's a clear distinction in meaning between the two expressions.
Good book; simple, easy to understand, but one other thing is also certain and it's that pathological liars, which the book is basically about, are a damn nuisance. I try to be tolerant, but they're a kind of character that zaps my tolerance "fuses".
Nietzsche:
"About four years ago a friend of mine said "Some people are just no damned good". I said I didn't believe that, but I knew it was true.
The entrance to Fermi Lab has a sculpture called "Broken symmetry". Something about being, the world as it is, is broken, malformed, maybe unfinished, I don't know, but the proclamation in Genesis "He saw it was very good"---no."
You don't perceive the truth in that bit of Genesis, but it's true. The "trick" is how to understand the words. Chronologically speaking, humans didn't exist at first, but this of course isn't the sole point to consider, for another is that humans have the [potential] to be of good will and conduct, just that many are raised as brats and become rotten sh*ts who are never satisfied no matter how much more than [enough] they actually have. Some insane people pretend to be sane and we see a strong example of this with the illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank, with one of their mayors, an awfully insane, rather psychopathic, woman who if we didn't know the truth could seem sane, truthful, just, .... This is in the following video, a CBS '60 Minutes' investigative report, an evidently good and important one too.
"Is Peace Out Of Reach?" (13:10), CBSNewsOnline, Jan 25 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tor75dMABi8
The mayoress, whose name I can't clearly make out, but the last name seeming to be Weiss, which certainly doesn't strike me as any kind of Middle Eastern name, but rather some European name, and while she genetically has no Middle Eastern apparence, but a European one, yes; well, she doesn't sound all that vicious, psychopathic, etcetera, enough that for people who don't know what's really going on there could think she's an honest, sincere, kind, caring, law-abiding, human rights-respecting, ... person. But knowing what's really going there permits the realisation that she is definitely insane and certainly is comparable to criminal fascists like Hitler and Mussolini, the many of the U.S. govt, and so on; even if there are differences between them and her, there's an awful lot of similarity between them all and it's a similarity of insanity, evil, hypocrisy, and so on.
People in Israel and Palestinian territory claiming to be Jewish, but while being of European origin, either directly or through ancestry, these people have [no] rights to any land as if it ancestrally belongs to them or their group. They are [invaders], and very criminal are their ways in enforcing their first-of-all criminal invasions.
They believe the contrary and therefore speak according to this perverted perspective. They're insane, psychopathic, pathological liars, dementedly twist the religious faith they claim to believe in, and so on. They are among the "People(s) of the Lie(s)".
Good book, and Dr Scott Peck was evidently quite good at his work, but damn are the pathological liars a nuisance, ... sickening, distressing, and angering.
God, as Creator, created the Universe or Cosmos, and thought the work was good, and I believe it, because of believing that the universe is [awesome], which it is. Later came humans and the fact that we have the ability to make choices, we possess will, or free will, we can choose to be just, so of good will and conduct, or not; and we sadly have too many people who are brats and get into positions of power over others, many, many others. They have their leagues and armies of brats to co-operate with and to be served by. And they're all insane, sociopathic and psychopathic, as plenty of psychologists and psychiatrists have said about, f.e., CEO's, especially those of large corporations. Well, if that's true about them, and it is true, then the same applies to or with also politicians, lawyers, judges, generals, colonels, admirals, and lower ranks among the officers of the military branches, ... etcetera. Oh, of course also CIA operatives, State Dept members, which includes N.E.D. members, or at least the people in the superior positions of the NED, and ... so on. They all work together and the corporations are always involved as they're the key interested parties seeking to expand their reach for economic dominion, say.
An awfully powerful league of psychopaths and pathological liars!
When something has the ring of truth everybody knows it. It can come from anywhere.
When a baseball falls just short of a home run nobody curses the ball. Neophytes, when trying to train a dog, will curse the dog. Experienced dog trainers know better. Once convinced of the dog's intelligence and suitable disposition they curse nothing. They methodically train the dog to be vicious or affectionate, active or passive, as they choose.
Just as many people insist that evolution applies to all species except man, created in God's image, they will not admit that the human animal is subject to operant conditioning. Free will, as that term is used in theological discussions, does not exist.
The only free will I have now is a result of the thoughts, treatment by others, and my body chemistry yesterday and for that matter, two seconds ago. This is obvious, and raises the question: Why are we so careless about the content of our consciousness? "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he."
The world would have fewer problems if people spent more time alone with no distractions, considering carefully what thoughts they should have today to produce the actions they would like to realize tomorrow.
MikeCorbeil February 21st, 2009 9:46 am and Nietzsche February 21st, 2009 10:59 am, good, intelligent comments on a thorny issue that digs down to the root source of the problems we have. Lying, or, really, hypocrisy, since pathological liars normally don't enjoy being lied to, infects our society like a plague, especially in business and politics.
It's unfortunately now accepted by most Americans that's it's okay to lie for the company to keep your job; considered a 'smart move' if you prevaricate to avoid accepting blame for something that was your responsibility, and false advertising is expected, unremarkable and sometimes even works. These are the lessons our society teaches the next generation, whatever empty hymns to honesty and responsibility are sung to disguise this modern reality. Some educated 20-somethings these days think truthfulness is synonymous with stupidity, and, presumably, they weren't taught that in school.
As we've seen with Bush, Cheney, Rove and their fetid regime, pathological liars cannot compartmentalize -- inevitably, they begin lying to themselves and become arrogant and delusional, and that is the 'pride' that comes before their fall. From Julius Caesar to King Louis XVI to Napoleon to Hitler to Stalin to Nixon to the present day, we have a string of powerful people who fool themselves out of recognizing reality after inventing a bulwark of lies to delude others. Power not only corrupts, it also causes you to deceive yourself and lay the groundwork for your own downfall.
The greed for power itself is an aberration, a psychological illness mostly unstudied since those who might study it are generally possessed of the same disease, which seems to lead to deception on a pathological scale. As Balzac wrote: "Behind every great fortune there is a great crime," and lying would be a necessary underpinning of that great crime.
The extravangantly-paid top executives on Wall Street and in the corporate world are not given millions of dollars in compensation for any actual substantive work -- rather they are so sumptiously reimbursed for their facility at lying with a clear eye and committing hypocrisy without a twinge of conscience; for calling avarice virtue, exploitation commendable and robbery legal without gagging on their own forked tongues.
It's beyond ironic that a house built on 'patriotically' dispensing every form of falsehood has on its doorstep in Langley, Virginia, the biblical quote from John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free," and the most twisted man to ever hold a position of public power, the unelected founder of the FBI, spent his life accumulating the truth about others lives while hiding from the truth of his own.
One of the few good things surrounding a global economic upheaval such as the one we're experiencing now is that the hidden lies and hypocrisies at the fundament of our system are laid bare, giving average people the chance to correct them as they pull themselves out of the morass created by the greed and mendacity of the elite.
Sometimes, they do, and the world progresses; sometimes they don't, and a tyrant gains power promising salvation. The jury's still out on our current dilemma.
Mike Corbeil....thanks so much for that link...says it all, doesn't it?...like i said earlier..pathological liars!
He certainly has got a lot of chutzpah, daring to show his face again after all the misery and suffering his actions and ideas caused other people.
The neocons are looking forward to the next 9/11.
James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]
Perle has always been a dangerous fool. Now it's clear he's also a liar.
Here's Perle’s infamous prediction regarding his War on Iraq:
“There will be dancing in the streets throughout Iraq if we liberate that country. The idea that it’s going to damage us in the Arab world is nonsense. We will be seen not as invaders but as liberators.”
The GOP’s War on Iraq and America is a central theme of “The Bush League of Nations,” a popular $25.95 book which you can now download for FREE at www.bushleagueofnations.com.
Jim Swanson
jswanson February 22nd, 2009 7:41 pm, according to Perle now, there was apparently a hidden expiration date on that stupid prediction, the expiration date classified to protect 'our security.'
An effective method that would get Perle to fess up to the truth, is remove him from his comfort zone, restrain him, and then shove bamboo slithers under his nails, twisting them all the way! Then ask him again, I guarantee that that so-called "Prince" will be singing like a canary. LMAO