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Anthropologist's Death Highlights Questionable Role of Social Science in War
In a hostile corner of southern Afghanistan, an American platoon fanned out around a market, forming a protective circle around a petite woman with a notebook. Paula Loyd, a Wellesley-educated researcher, began interviewing villagers about the price of cooking fuel - a key indicator of whether insurgents had hijacked supply lines.
Paula Loyd, June, 2006 As part of a new military program that uses social scientists to improve the troops' understanding of the local population, Loyd began interviewing a gregarious stranger who approached her with a jug of cooking fuel in his hands. He talked for 15 minutes, thanking her profusely in English. But just as her guards motioned it was time to leave, he lit his jug on fire and engulfed the 36-year-old Loyd in flames.
Minutes later, her fellow researcher shot and killed the man, adding a violent coda to a case that has already increased debate about the worsening conditions in Afghanistan and the military's attempt to use social science to cure insurgency.
The attack on Loyd, who died in a Texas hospital on Jan. 7 after a two-month struggle for her life, has reverberated from the Wellesley campus, where people grieve for the energetic scholar who seemed to be a natural peacemaker, to national academic circles, where anthropologists carry on a heated debate over whether social scientists should be working for the military, to the Afghan mountains, where soldiers vow to give meaning to her death by fighting on.
"There are bad people out there who didn't want Paula to succeed," said Steve Fondacaro, a retired colonel who runs the Human Terrain Systems program, a $250 million Pentagon initiative that has dispersed six teams of researchers - with two social scientists per team - to work with military units across Afghanistan.
Loyd's death - the third among the researchers - "just highlights the need for us to continue the mission," he said.
But elsewhere, the attack has revived a bitter debate about whether anthropologists should ply their trade for the military.
In 2007, just months after the Human Terrain program was launched, the American Anthropological Association declared that it violates the group's code of ethics, which stipulates that subjects of study must not feel forced to participate and must never be harmed. On Feb. 15, the association will vote on a new resolution that would prohibit research that is not made public, a move targeting research for both military and industrial purposes.
"You can't really do anthropology in a group of people with guns," said Sally Engle Merry, Loyd's senior thesis adviser at Wellesley, who has served on the board of the American Anthropological Association.
"This has been a very painful thing to me," Merry added. "On the one hand, I think Paula was absolutely right to give the military a way to understand the lives of Afghans better. On the other hand, what happens to the information you gather? Who owns it? How is it being used?"
Adding to the controversy has been the fate of Loyd's attacker, identified in court documents as Abdul Salam, who tried to flee on foot. Don Ayala - the leader of Loyd's Human Terrain team - knocked him down and handcuffed him. Minutes later, when Ayala learned how seriously Loyd had been hurt, he put a pistol to the man's head and fired, according to an affidavit filed in a Virginia court where Ayala pleaded guilty last Tuesday to manslaughter.
To Loyd's Army buddies, the story of death and vengeance serves as proof of the need to continue fighting until the enemy is defeated.
"Immediate justice was served," Thad Santon, a self-described Army friend of Loyd's, wrote on her prayer website.
But others point to the incident as evidence that the Human Terrain program and the US military mission in Afghanistan itself have gone awry.
"Salam got murdered in his own country by foreign occupiers," Maximilian C. Forte, assistant professor of anthropology at Concordia University in Quebec, wrote on his website, Open Anthropology. "Try, just as an experiment, to see things from that angle for a moment."
This is how Paula Loyd's friends at Wellesley remember her: Chugging wine from the bottle in a Somerville apartment. Dressed as GI Jane for Halloween. Some years her blond hair flowed down her back. Other years it was short as a boy's. She was hard-core at everything she did. She read "Don Quixote" in Spanish. She rose at 4 a.m. to row the Charles River.
"She was a true anthropologist," said Gretchen Wiker, a friend of Loyd's since the fifth grade. "You would go to a restaurant, and she was the one who knew the bartender and the waitress. You'd go to the beach, and she'd know the bus driver. She was such an open person, and approached people with such an open heart."
Raised in San Antonio, Loyd moved to the island of St. Thomas at age 12 with her mother. She was curious about living in a foreign culture, said her mother, Patricia Ward.
Concerned that an island education would prevent her from getting into a good college, her parents sent her to boarding school at Choate Rosemary Hall. Later, she joined Wellesley's class of 1995.
Her freshman year, she took an anthropology class that sent students to do ethnographies of Boston neighborhoods. Some balked at the idea of talking to strangers, but Loyd loved it.
"She really stood out in the class as an amazingly poised student and sophisticated thinker," said Merry, now professor of anthropology at New York University.
But instead of pursuing a graduate degree in anthropology, Loyd enlisted in the Army - a rare decision for a Wellesley grad. Military recruiters pushed her to go into the officer corps, but she refused. She didn't want to sit behind a desk.
"She wanted to understand the Army from the ground up," said Dr. Alexis Meshi, a Wellesley classmate. "It was just her wanting to understand how things work in a very basic level, not being treated in any special way."
Loyd became a tank mechanic, working for four years in South Korea and at Fort Bragg, N.C. She enrolled in a master's degree program at Georgetown University, but joined the Reserves, serving with the 450th Civil Affairs Battalion. In 2002, she was thrilled when they were called to Afghanistan.
"She was always up for a new adventure," her mother said. "And there was so much hope for the country then."
In Kandahar, Loyd led a team that tried to dig wells and build roads in isolated villages. She sought to understand cultural norms, even as she defied them. She wore her blond hair tucked up in a helmet, not under a burqa, as local women do. Serving in a mostly male Army and a country dominated by men, she often stood out as a female in charge.
"Sometimes I'll be talking to the men in a village and they'll turn to the interpreter and say, "Is that a man or a woman?' " Loyd was quoted as saying in Pennsylvania's Morning Call newspaper in 2003.
She spent hours drinking tea with tribal elders, according to her Afghan interpreter at the time, who asked to be identified only as Farid because of security reasons.
"Paula was very popular," he said in a telephone interview. "People were really optimistic and they had hopes that these teams would help them."
When Loyd's unit went home, she stayed on in Afghanistan as a civilian, taking jobs with the International Organization for Migration and the United Nations. In 2004, she joined the Provincial Reconstruction Team in Zabul as a USAID worker, arriving during a terrible winter. As snow blocked roads and people died of disease, Loyd's swift acquisition of food, hats, boots, and socks to distribute among the freezing population earned her a USAID award.
But by 2006, the situation in Afghanistan was deteriorating. Corruption was rife, and some Afghans began to see NATO troops as occupiers rather than liberators. US casualties climbed, as did Afghan deaths from both insurgent attacks and US bombings and raids. NATO soldiers could not be defeated, but neither could they decisively win.
When seven contractors working for an American organization were killed in Zabul, Loyd helped ship their bodies home.
That summer, she told a panel in Washington that bringing stability to Afghanistan would require a long-term commitment. "The current wisdom is 15 to 20 years," she said.
Desperate to turn the tide in Afghanistan, the military launched the Human Terrain program in February 2007. General David Petraeus, the new commander who specialized in innovative counterinsurgency tactics, became convinced that the military needed a deeper understanding of the country, from tribal rivalries to village economics. After the first batch of anthropologists arrived in February 2007, US commanders reported that the new program had helped them reduce their combat operations by 60 percent.
But others were skeptical that useful research could be done in such a hostile environment, or that the population would see the scientists as noncombatants.
"This is a country where during the day they speak like they are great friends and at night they become the Taliban movement," said a European diplomat who asked not to be named. "Even if you are an expert, it's difficult."
Afghanistan had taken a toll on Loyd. She bought a house in North Carolina and told friends she was recovering from post-traumatic stress syndrome there, according to Stefanie Johnson, a classmate from Choate and Wellesley.
"She was looking to settle down, lead a normal life," Johnson said, adding that she hoped to marry Lieutenant Colonel Frank Muggeo, a former special forces commander she had met in Afghanistan who is now in charge of the Army Marksmanship Unit at Fort Benning in Georgia.
But, last year, Loyd decided to take "one last tour," Johnson said.
She joined the Human Terrain initiative, helping to develop some of its protocols. She was well aware of the controversy surrounding it, but she "believed in the program," said Wiker, her childhood friend. "She would not have gone there if she did not believe that she was doing something useful and positive for the people there."
She trained for four months with her research team, which included Don Alaya, a former bodyguard for Afghan president Hamid Karzai, and Clint Cooper, a Marine who had served in Iraq. The three became close friends, Fondacaro said.
In fall 2008, they made their way to a US military outpost in Maiwand, a strategically important transit point on the route between Kandahar and Helmand, an insurgent stronghold.
Fondacaro said that Loyd's job was to perform rapid "ethnographic studies" for her military unit, writing brief sketches describing the local population. He insists that she was acting as a social scientist, not a soldier, and that her reports were research, not intelligence, even though none has ever been made public.
"This is about social science, field research capacity," he said. "You could eventually teach a soldier to do it, but it would take years."
When Paula Loyd was set on fire on Nov 4, 2008, Cooper, her teammate, rushed to submerge her in water and stayed by her side during the long flight home to a hospital in Texas. Loyd kept her sense of humor. When she was told she would be transported to an emergency plastic surgeon, she joked, "I've always wanted to get a few little things done," according to an account published on the Human Terrain website.
For two months, as Loyd struggled for her life with burns covering 60 percent of her body, an eclectic band of Army buddies, Wellesley classmates, and Afghan friends consoled one another.
"I am associated with you in this moment of sorrow, and want great penalties for the enemies of Paula," Delbar Jan Arman, the governor of Zabul, wrote to Loyd's mother in Texas.
"Paula, thank you for being my friend," wrote a fellow reservist on a prayer website. He wrote that he had once believed that women were unfit for combat - but then he met Loyd.
"I was blessed to serve with this female soldier in the combat theater of Afghanistan and here in the US," he wrote. "She was one of the finest individual persons I have ever known."
On the same website, Farid wrote: "You are in my prayers five times a day."
When she died, people from all walks of life traveled to her funeral, including Ayala, who was embraced by Loyd's Wellesley friends.
"It's a complicated situation - he shot a person and killed him, but for us, we felt that this person was looking out for her," said Ophelia Navarro, a former classmate. "We are hurting and grieving, and he also was hurting and grieving. He said that they were the best team because Paula was so professional, had this complete brilliant understanding and interaction with people."
Loyd's mourners have also had to deal with controversy over the program she served in. Some blogs that announced her death featured debates about whether she was a legitimate military target.
"These aren't just social scientists," wrote a commenter named Eric O on Wired magazine's blog, Danger Room. "They are employed by the US military to conduct research with a goal of helping the military more effectively carry out the occupation."
For Loyd's loved ones, such comments make her death more painful.
"We are very upset that people were using her for political gain," said Meshi, a Wellesley classmate. "They portrayed her as this really naive woman who did not know what she was doing, or used it as a way to criticize the Human Terrain program."
But Loyd's friends and relatives don't have time to dwell on anger. They are too busy trying to figure out how to carry out her last wishes. In her will, Loyd asked that a fund be set up to send Afghan girls to Wellesley. Loyd's mother isn't sure how to do that, but she is planning to travel to Afghanistan to figure it out. "We want to continue what she was doing," she told the mourners at Loyd's memorial. "We want to make sure her legacy stays alive."
Globe correspondent Jillian Jorgensen contributed to this report.
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Show AllOther cultures are not failed attempts to be us. Anthropology begins with the questionable premise that they are, and its conclusions are often used as pliers to reshape them in our (equally distorted) image. In our arrogance we call this "trying to help."
The best thing we could do to help the Afghanis (as well as all other countries under U.S. military occupation) would be to leave.
I agree we should leave, but not out of deference to their prehistoric, barbaric culture and despicable religion (as opposed to our modern, barbaric culture and despicable religions), but because there is simply no use being there. By the way, we're not there to "help" them; we're there to "help ourselves" to whatever they have we want.
FastEddie writes "By the way, we're not there to "help" them; we're there to "help ourselves" to whatever they have we want."
Yes, but surely you recall that's not the way it was sold to us by the Cheney-Bush cabal (making tribal areas safe for non-burqa-wearing women since 2001!). The sooner we get over ourselves and our penchant for "helping," the better for the world and our busted budget.
As to their resources, we could have bought them for a tenth of what's been spent so far, with no end in sight.
Yup and yup.
How and why would you believe anything the Bush and Cheney regime told us? And why would you think that given your faith in them that anything you would say would mean a thing to this brood?
thong-girl
I'm tellin' ya, ya got the wrong guy! I never for a moment believed nor had faith in what Bush or Cheney said, never supported them, and I'm hardly a flag-waver. I said "yup" to acknowledge the statement that Bush/Cheney lied to us all, not that I (or Jethro T) agreed with or supported it. I said "yup" again to the comment that trade would have obtained what "we" ("we" as in the U.S. military industrial complex, that which every taxpaying American supports, like it or not) wanted for a fraction of the cost of war. From what I understand, all "we" wanted was a pipeline.
Are you saying you believed what those guys told us?
thong-girl
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yup....there it is....this is why they hate us....the bombs don't help either
Fast 11:75 -------- demonizing people is the first step before killing them. It sounds as if you have been brainwashed into thinking less of some people.Having spent six months in Afghanistan pre Soviet invasion I can tell you the culture was very,gentle,peaceful and genorous. There were some rough people as there is everwhere but in general the culture was one of the best of the twentyfive countries I have been in. Loving people is a lot more productive for all involved. You share the responsibilty for your attitude with the propaganda media which encourages you to be angry, ignorant and violent.
Sorry, Sir. I was into deep cynicism when I wrote that. Look at the parenthetical note and you'll see I was, in fact, demonizing everyone (east, west, north and south). I'm sure, in pre-Taliban Afghanistan, you found good people, as good as can be found anywhere, so thanks for counterbalancing the perspective that emerges when one hears of "honor killings" of raped women, institutionalized mysogeny in general, stoning adulterers, brainwashing children in madrasas, blowing up statues of the Buddha, etc. and all the other crap that goes with fundamentalist Islam or its fundamentalist parallels in the other major religions (Christian America included).
I just don't think much of our entire species at the moment (any country or culture). And I do, more specifically, "think less of" any and all fundamentalists. I won't apologize for that.
I agree with what you wrote but key here is that we, essentially, under G.H.W. Bush, created the Taliban to fight the Russians. If we have reap what we have sown around the world, things would get very sticky for the flag wavers.
thong-girl
Fast 12:26 ------- Thank you for your fairly open minded civil dialogue, now we can go a little deeper. Yes it is often human nature to think less of people who do despicable acts.Putting the aforementioned thought aside, let us look a little more objectively at the acts. Does it matter if science,democracy or religion is killing a child. Is there a meaningful difference between being beheaded and being blownup?
The danger is when despicable acts are used to justify more and often greater despicable acts. As in Afghanistan now.
The danger is when intolerable acts, such as punishing a raped women are used to destroy a whole culture.
We find the same codes in other countries but they are our allies( Saudi Arabia, Pakistan). Do not women and children in the USA suffer vast amounts of violence? Women who kill their abusive husbands spend more time in jail than do abusive husbands who kill their wives. Sarah Palin punished rape victims as Mayor by forcing them to pay thousands of dollars for their own forensic rape kit. Not comparible to honor killings but also cruel to raped women.
Look again at your statements do not all those incidents find parallels in pre-civil rights treatment of African Americans, lynching,institutionalised racism,violent destruction of communities. And brainwashing in school, did you go to school in the USA?
And blowing up the Buddhas, I am Buddhist, I sat( as is the custom) on the head of the Buddha, the six hundred year old buddhisatvas painted under the arch were amazingly beautiful. But I would help blow up five hundred stone Buddhas if it saved the life of one person anywhere, especially if it saved the lives of the farmers who, as is the custom fed my horse and I for no renumeration at all, as we traveled in remote areas.
As in any organization there are extremists and moderates; we know who the moderate Taliban are we need only work with them to improve conditions. Killing people to save them is insanity.
You really aren't getting Fast Edies point their Glenn, he isn't justifying U.S. imperialism, he is pointing out that BOTH murderous U.S. imperialism and murderous religious extremism are bad things, period end of story. One doesn't have to support the U.S. governments oil and gas grab in the Stans via Afghanistan to say that the Taliban and all religious fundamentalism Christian Jewish, and Muslim is mental poison. Again that doesn't mean we should attack Afghanistan I very much think we shouldn't, that we should mind our own business and withdraw from ALL our foreign military bases, from that it doesn't follow that the Taliban is good though, get a clue. SIGH!
Thanks, hootowl. I concur with your restatement of my message. And I also retract my use of the word "prehistoric" from my original message. That was wrong. Finally, I think I've realized that cynicism isn't very productive in these threads. Can't say I'll never do it again, but it isn't very productive!
Pretty much in agreement with what you've written, on the whole, AND with the caveat provided by hootowl below. Not sure what "moderate Taliban" means, but I wouldn't trust it (again, I would just get out). Personally, I am persuaded by the view that religious extremists are enabled by religious moderates. You don't get one without the other. Inevitably, you get both.
Yes, I was schooled in the U.S., and was fortunate to have been schooled in a decent public school system during the 60s and early 70s, before the public schools degraded so badly. Went to Brown University and University of Michigan, have a few degrees. Are you suggesting I was brainwashed by my education in the same way young children are brainwashed in madrasas? That would be beyond ludicrous!
I suspect my initial post offended you because I was dismissive of people that you came to know and like. If it seemed I was justifying U.S. action in the area, far from it!
Fast 3:49-------- The whole standard USA historical narrative is brainwashing -------- Columbus Day! = Genocide Day!
Fundamentalists Bad? No! What about Ammish,Hitterites and say fundamental Buddhists? Only specific parts of specific fundamental precepts are not acceptable.
If moderates enable extremists than any religion is in danger of extreme doctrines.
What has happened is you have been brainwashed by the USA government to believe the Taliban is especially bad, emphasize on especially. If the Taliban was especially bad the USA government would have no need to make propanganda disguised as news and distribute in the msm( as has been admitted).
I am glad you want to leave Afghanistan. It must be done responsibly, as any action must be done, and that means supporting a viable government at a Geneva Peace Treaty Conference. The viable government would largely be the Taliban who control 72% of the country and yes there are moderate Taliban as in any religious movement, they are the ones who allow girls in school and music in the areas they now control.
If USA citizens keep believing the demonization nonsense the government issues before it attacks there will never be an end to our imperialism.
Scott Ritter is the originator of supportng the moderate Taliban; he was absolutly right about Iraq and he is absolutely right about Afghanistan.
"What has happened is you have been brainwashed by the USA government to believe the Taliban is especially bad, emphasize on especially."
Tread lightly, my friend. You're becoming pretty insulting for a Buddhist. Do you think I swallowed "the whole standard USA historical narrative" just because I was educated here? Do you think I never learned how to think critically? Why are you stereotyping me? What made your education so pure? (Might I point out you misspelled Amish?) What makes you so sanctimonious?
I don't know why you're grinding your axe on me, but you are, and you're also not really listening. Where did I say the Taliban was "especially bad"? Compared to the Kmer Rouge, or Pinochet's (American trained) forces, or... well, you know the list goes on and on... compared to these, the Taliban are not "especially" bad, just bad.
I think ALL fundamentalist "faith" is bad because it abdicates thinking (fundamentalist Buddhism sounds like an oxymoron to me--you'll have to explain that one). Just because "moderate" Taliban areas allow girls in school (what astounding progress!!) doesn't mean those schools aren't stuffing them full of nonsense. When you can tell me the Taliban is teaching "comparative religion" (including nonbelief as a viable philosophy) and the theory of evolution I might agree that they are educating their children. Until then, I don't know how you can conjure the notions that the Taliban is providing a sound education while my American liberal arts and science education has left me hopelessly brainwashed. Or should I just drop everything I have ever learned and start memorizing the Quaran?
"If moderates enable extremists than any religion is in danger of extreme doctrines." Exactly!!
The Taliban are not representative of Afghan culture. The Taliban are Pakistan's proxies and are a product of Saudi Salafi/Wahhabi funding and idealogy.
Pakistan funding of Taliban:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/index.htm
Saudi Arabia in Afghanistan:
http://countrystudies.us/afghanistan/119.htm
http://www.newsweek.com/id/173828
Sufism the traditional Islam of Afghanistan sparks a revival:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1700445.stm
Afghanistan's last King Zahir Shah mid-twentieth century with his wife, the Queen:
http://image.guim.co.uk/Guardian/news/gallery/2007/jul/23/internationalnews.afghanistan/PD2420344@-FILE--This-undated-f-7062.jpg
Afghan Women's Rights Activist Sima Wali on Afghan Women's historical role
http://uwacadweb.uwyo.edu/mkamp/UwyoW&I/AfghanSimWali.doc
You are simply wrong. Where did you come up with your thesis on what anthropology "is?"
thong-girl
"Other cultures are not failed attempts to be us. Anthropology begins with the questionable premise that they are",
This was the premise of anthropology in the nineteenth century, which was done by mostly Western European and American wealthy white men. The current scholorship is more varied in it's perspective.
However, the way the US military uses anthropologists in the field to propagandize and make political changes that promote western militarism and corporate capitalism
(in the name of "help") comes from that nineteenth century perspective, because that's how the commanders in Washington think. And they are so bad at this that eventually we will have to leave.
Sorry, Jethro, but you are confusing anthropologists with missionaries. However, in this context as unnecessary and horrible as the death of Ms. Loyd was, it's hard to view social scientific research conducted by the military as anything but self-serving, biased and tainted.
Claude Levi-Strauss's words on the "purity of knowledge" of Anthropology still ring true:
It is the outcome of a historical process which has made the larger part of mankind subservient to the other. During this process millions of innocent human beings have had their resources plundered and their institutions and beliefs destroyed, whilst they themselves were ruthlessly killed, thrown into bondage, and contaminated by diseases they were unable to resist. Anthropology is daughter to this era of violence.
She was working for the invaders gathering information in order to subdue the indigenous population. She died as the soldier she was.
Tell Obama -------- Afghan Geneva Peace Conference Now.
Tell Obama -------- Afghan Geneva Peace Conference Now.
Following up on Levi-Strauss- Amazonian Perspectivism a term coined by researcher Eduardo Vivieros de Castro (mentored by Levi-Strauss) calls the discipline of anthropology to engage itself in very nuts and bolts introspection. His writing is very readable and he has a terrific sense of humor.
http://amazone.wikia.com/wiki/Introdu%C3%A7%C3%A3o_ao_m%C3%A9todo_do_perspectivismo
A number of his books have been translated and are available on-line
Levi-Strauss never did any field work, all his writings were done in the comfort of the library. Ruth Benedict, famous anthropologist from back in the forties, was hired by the OAS, the predecessor of the CIA. She was hired to tell the pentagon how the Japanese would act if we dropped the atom bomb on them. She did not know about the bomb and was sick when she learned what her work was used to do.
thong-girl
The USA is still in Afghanistan and Iraq, and will be for a long time, because around 100 million USans voted war candidates to warm the throne. Does everyone who voted for war candidates accept responsibility for the death/destruction in Iraq/Afghanistan going forward?
It's a shame Loyd died the way she did, but how can anyone possibly separate her work there from the US military's overall mission, which has nothing to do with bringing "stability" to Afghanistan, unless by stability we mean advantageous conditions for American political and economic interests? I'm sure Loyd was a wonderful person and very adept anthropologist, but it sounds more like she was there doing public relations for the military, discovering better ways to win the hearts and minds of Afghanis so they'd be less resistant to US infiltration and occupation of their culture.
After all, that's why we invade and occupy these places to begin with! We use the convenient rhetorical cover of bringing democracy and freedom to these cultures that have failed to model themselves on us, so we can rob their resources and exploit their geography to further our imperial goals. Loyd's failure, or refusal, to understand this isn't the fault of Afghanis who don't want her meddling into their lives. That's not to excuse what happened to her but to point out its inevitability.
She chose to go back yet again, after attempting to recover from PTSD, a fairly common pattern with many military people. They're traumatized by their experiences in these arenas of violence, where we've brought the instruments of violence to bear on cultures that dare to disobey us, and soon they can't resist returning for more. They're so psychologically conditioned to a violent and threatening atmosphere that they can't function outside it. The military cultivates this and even demands more of it. She chose this life for herself. Her death is unfortunate and unnecessary, but those who think it "makes no sense" are in a denial of their own.
Suggesting that someone is a natural peacemaker when they go to a war zone, and
assist the army gather military information as this article describes, gives a somewhat orwellian cast to the term "peacemaker". If people do not like what happens in war, they should be more careful to avoid starting wars.
well if that don't beat all...............
imperial america invades a third world country- kills a bunch of people for no reason, steals everything that isn't nailed down, plans to do more and more killing.........
the true war as o calls it
and now they don't want to have deluded dogooders running around trying to help the local peasants get used to and even make positive their country's destruction
tell - takes all the fun out of killing
hey america - stay the fuck home
maybe you could go over to gaza and teach the palestinians how to maximize their experience of genocide by the israelis
second thought....no stay the fuck at home
cheers, b
"There are bad people out there who didn't want Paula to succeed," said Steve Fondacaro, a retired colonel.
I think this statement puts the failure of US hegemony in the middle east in perspective. The mindset that just thinks "Bad People", with out understanding why these so called "bad people" are so angry.
I remember seeing on the news in the early days of the Iraq war, a field commander attempting to interview an Iraqi through an interpretor.
The commander listened without understanding - and then said to the interpretor - "Tell him we know he's lying". I knew then the US project there was doomed.
This is why anthropologists who speak the language may be needed there. But don't expect the Iraqi people to think that anyone working with the US military will treat them with respect. Anthropologists have too often been used by the US government to cause political change in cultures they study, rather than pure research. This work became more attractive to students when the interesting teaching and research jobs became so competitive. So anthropoligists have a bad reputation in much of the third world. They know what the US aganda is, even if this poor young woman may have had some better motives. I'm sorry she had to suffer so much.
Perhaps the colonel isn't aware of the fact that we have gunned down their children, in lieu of target practice. How dare these people hold us responsible for killing children and innocents. Far as your statement about anthropologists who "speak the language" that is not what anthropology is. thong-girl
I know what anthropology is; speaking the language is just one of the necessary skills anthropologists should bring to (or learn right away) in the field. This is one reason for the inevitable failure of the US government in thier effort to change another culture. You can't change something you don't understand.
Their lack of education and inept handling of the situation in Iraq has cost so many lives because they DO feel superior to the people they are oppressing.
They are very mistaken. Thus, the military attracs a certain kind of anthropologist. She was very young and misguided, really a soldier, as another post says, and she died a soldier's death.
I just got through writing to my sisters who both believe that no matter we do, we are incapable of doing anything wrong. I mention this because so many people simply do not care what we have done, and do not care how many innocents we murder in cold blood, as long as they don't have to give up their big car. Certainly, we spent the last eight years with an administration who was incapable of understanding any of that. I'm sick of living in a terrorist country. I feel I should repeat that for some. I honestly do not blame anyone for hating us, bombing us or doing anything they can to get back at us. I'd surely be on that bus if I was say living in Iran, or pretty much anywhere in the ME>
thong-girl
What a damn shame.
She may have had the very best of intentions (Americans often think they do) but anthropologists and other social scientists in a war zone, escorted by U.S. troops, is a disaster waiting to happen.
Academics, and the universities supporting them, should have nothing to do with these misguided adventures.
But that will never happen. The contracts from the Pentagon are just too damn fat!
"They are employed by the US military to conduct research with a goal of helping the military more effectively carry out the occupation."
There is the issue as I see it: We the people do not want the USA to occupy any country!
Hey. Dhe "bad." You play by the sword .... you know the rest. I have no sympathy whatsoever. She is helping the military slaughter innocent people. Oh well.
"...military's attempt to use social science to cure insurgency."
Is the American military stupid or just ignorant?
The insurgents are Americans.
Terrible shame about Ms. Lloyd. I am not happy to say, however, it's an old story, as old as colonialism itself. The go-betweens are always in danger, almost always bright, often decent, idealistic people who really just want to help. The priests, the English teachers, the "civilizers", even some of the doctors, engineers and Peace Corps volunteers fall into this sad category.
This isn't really a criticism of Lloyd or her friend Ayala who shot the sociopath who burned Lloyd. I might have done what he did under similar circumstances. But that's the crux: I would never volunteer to accept similar circumstances. We have lost faith in ourselves and placed it instead in our leaders, or in some wooly-headed notion of our unique status in God's grace. Whatever is good about Americans doesn't come from these abstractions (our beliefs about our goodness or the inherent goodness of our "leaders"), it comes from us, everyday, working, acting, giving. Our political culture actually undermines the practice of "individual freedom" by yapping incessantly and disingenuously about the ideal. People like Lloyd and Ayala wouldn't end up where they did, if they were able to follow their own desire to help without hitching it to an institution like the US military. The military has one purpose and it has nothing to do with helping or individual freedom.
The Peace Corp is but a training ground for the USAID program which in turn is just a program to subvert native resistance to the U.S. empire. I fully support humanistic NGOs like the Red Cross, Oxfam, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, etc, but USAID and it's training program the Peace Corp is just an imperialist fraud. :(
Defund USAID which is just imperialist softening (see John Perkins excellent book Economic Hitmen) and end the militarization of humanistic scholarship now. Bring all Americans back home to work on social justice and sustainable infrastructure projects.
USAID has been rife with spooks forever.
"There are bad people out there who didn't want Paula to succeed," said Steve Fondacaro, a retired colonel who runs the Human Terrain Systems program, a $250 million Pentagon initiative".
Now wait just a minute! This woman entered the marketplace accompanied by the troops of a violent foreign invader, speaking a foreign language. Please tell me how it would not be a perfectly reasonable for an Afghan to assume that this woman was a spy for the invaders?
And, as it ends up, she really was! She was gathering information specifically for use by the US military. This is a tragedy, but how could Ms. Loyd not have seen this? This woman had indeed compromized her profession in the same way the psychologists do when they work at Guantanamo and Baghram.
I've always has a suspicion about Anthropology. It always seems to inherently racist and exceptionalist in the way they put non-western peoples and cultures under their microscope, but never themselves. When an Indian or African comes to my home to study the strange and exotic behavior of typical suburban white USAn, I'll start to respect the respect anthropology as a ligitimate science.
Thankfully there is the more applied science of Sociology which does study the peculiarities of western capitalist culture.
---USAn---
I have lived in Muslim countries and was considered a family member. I studied the Holy Qur'an and found it to be largely a religion of love and caring. The people were caring and loving.
True, there are sects and fanatics who are violent. Don't we have the same thing here in a "Christian" nation? As my "family" often told me, "That is politics, Steve, not Islam."
In Afghanistan, Pakistan and other places in the region, the "Lex talonis" is followed. It is a land of blood feuds, some of which have gone on for generations. "You harm me or kill me and my family will retaliate upon you." This may go on until there is no one left on one side or the other.
I would not be a Russian tourist in that region for the next century, nor would I be an American. Everyone who has lost a relative to American bombs has probably sworn a blood oath to kill an American.
Paula Lloyd's death may have been due to Abdul Salam seeing a chance for revenge on an American for the death of some of his family or clan.
If we want to eliminate this, instead of working within or understanding what is happening, we are going to have to reduce Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and a number of other "stans" to the status of the Killing fields of Cambodia.
I, for one, do not want to walk the earth treading the blood and bones of countless innocents beneath my feet, just because their culture did not match ours, but they had lots of natural resources we covet.
Thanks, minitrue, for describing your experiences and observations. You last sentence reflects my sentiments exactly.
---USAn---
The first I heard of this was in my doctor's office. While waiting, I picked up a cheesy February edition of a magazine called "Men's Journal" with Mickey Rourke on the cover and a headline that says: "Afghanistan: The New War for hearts & Minds." In it, they tell of how academics are in military gear and armed and despised by the military. I will not be surprised to read the story that depicts how some of these academics are killed by our own. thong-girl
This article is sickening. "In a hostile corner of Afghanistan"...Gee, wonder why it is hostile? Her "fellow researcher" summarily executed her attacker? "Anthropologists?" She liked to wear GI Jane costumes? What the hell are these idiots playing at? Indiana Jones? Or maybe she imagined herself the karate-kicking forensic anthropologist in the TV series "Bones"; you know, with the hunky Fed agent who has the hots for her? Good God, bring these cloud-cuckoo flappers home. This is ridiculous.
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Hear Hear ,
They save the species at the ZOO( studied them they did ) , they live longer in captivity and can`t harm each other and Presto!!!
NOW ( Lets All sing >> YOOOUURRR LAND IS A MY LAND A again along with Amazing Grace )