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ICC Investigating Israel War Crimes
NEW YORK - The International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague announced a preliminary analysis Tuesday into whether Israel committed war crimes during the recent Gaza war, following the Palestinian National Authority's (PNA) move to recognise the ICC's authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Pro-Palestinian protesters rally outside the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague January 14, 2009. (Reuters/Ronald FleurbaaijNetherlands) Whether the ICC has jurisdiction in Gaza is expected to be a highly contentious legal issue, and the ICC investigation comes at a time of heightened debate over the legality of Israel's Gaza campaign under international law.
This renewed debate has come about in large part due to statements made by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Sunday, in which he appeared to enshrine "disproportionate" response to provocations as official Israeli government policy.
On Tuesday, ICC chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo made public a Jan. 21 letter from Palestinian Justice Minister Ali Khashan recognising the ICC's authority.
The ICC can only pursue investigations in states that have signed on to the Rome Statute creating the court, which Israel has not done. Khashan's letter was intended to give the ICC jurisdiction to launch an investigation in Gaza.
But the Palestinian move to recognise the court raises a set of murky legal issues, the foremost of which is whether the PNA can be considered a state. The PNA has argued that it can be considered the de facto sovereign authority in the Gaza Strip due to Israel's withdrawal from the territory in 2005.
If so, then Israel's non-recognition of the court would not prevent a war crimes investigation, since the only relevant factor is whether the alleged violations occurred in the territory of a signatory. If not, then the Gaza Strip would be considered Israeli territory and the ICC would have no jurisdiction to investigate.
Moreno-Ocampo indicated that one of the foci of his preliminary investigation would be to determine whether the ICC has the authority to proceed further. "The office of the prosecutor will carefully investigate all relevant issues, including on jurisdiction," he said in a statement.
Sean Murphy, a law professor at George Washington University, told IPS that the lack of international consensus about the PNA's status meant that the success or failure of the Palestinian move might depend on the authorities in The Hague.
"It's possible to file a declaration on an ad hoc basis, in accordance with the Rome Statute," Murphy said. "The question is whether the registrar would accept it, given that they would be having to make a decision on statehood in the face of widespread international disagreement".
Asked if he thought that the PNA's move would lead to any tangible results, Murphy said that he found it "unlikely - but stranger things have happened".
Human rights groups have called for an investigation into alleged Israeli war crimes during the three-week Gaza war, including the killing of civilians and the use of white phosphorus against human targets.
But debate over the war's legality has gone beyond the use of specific tactics by Israeli commanders on the ground, to question whether the campaign as a whole was in violation of international law.
This broader debate became far more contentious on Sunday, when Olmert responded to continued rocket attacks from Gaza into southern Israel by promising a "disproportionate" Israeli military response.
"The government's position was from the outset that if there is shooting at residents of the south there will be an Israeli response that will be harsh and disproportionate by its nature," Olmert said.
Although Olmert's remarks might be taken as mere blustering intended to deter further rocket attacks, his claim that the disproportionate use of force had been government policy "from the outset" was read by some as an acknowledgement that the Gaza campaign was disproportionate by design - and therefore in violation of international law.
Law professors interviewed by IPS were unsure as to whether Olmert's statement would have implications for any future criminal investigation. "Of course a statement like that could be used to show his knowledge and intent, but it would be small potatoes compared to the conduct of the conflict itself, the results of which are so clearly unlawful," University of Notre Dame law professor Mary Ellen O'Connell told IPS.
Still, it was clear that Olmert's remarks marked a major shift in the debates over the proportionality of Israeli military action.
The term "proportionality" has been used inconsistently and often inaccurately in these debates, but has generally referred to two criteria: whether the use of force is disproportionate to the threat that it responds to, and whether the civilian collateral damage in an attack is disproportionate to the military objective.
Israel has primarily been criticised according to the second criterion, which is enshrined in Article 51, Section 5 of the 1977 First Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions. It bans any "attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated".
Although Israel is not a signatory to the Additional Protocols, the Israeli Supreme Court has recognised the proportionality standard as binding, and during the Gaza campaign itself the Israeli government always maintained that it has met the standard.
A Dec. 29 statement by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that "Israel has adopted the principles of international humanitarian law... and the Israel Defense Force (IDF) has enshrined them in its training, operational planning, and orders... [I]n relation to the question of proportionality, IDF doctrine requires a commander to refrain from an attack" that is expected to inflict excessive incidental harm.
Similarly, a few of Israel's defenders in the media have dismissed the proportionality standard entirely, but most - including prominent commentators such as Alan Dershowitz and Michael Walzer - have accepted the standard and argued that Israel's campaign adhered to it.
Following a war that claimed an estimated 1,300 Palestinian lives, hundreds of them civilians, the issue of proportionality became a pressing one for obvious reasons. But many scholars have argued that determining how much civilian harm is "excessive" with reference to a given military objective is so difficult that the proportionality standard is largely useless in practice and that violations of it are unlikely to result in any successful prosecution.
Still, although the proportionality debates have been largely unproductive to this point, Olmert's statement was noteworthy for its apparent abandonment of the proportionality standard altogether.
In doing so, he risks setting Israeli government policy on a course opposed to both international law and the rulings of the Israeli Supreme Court.
As the ICC mulls its potential investigation of the Gaza war, and the outcry against alleged human rights violations during the war increases, the debate about the campaign's overall legality is likely to become more contentious rather than less.



43 Comments so far
Show AllIs genocide against international law?
YES.
Rainborowe
Yes, with conditions. Those killed can only be Arabs and/or Muslims and those killing them can only be Israeli or American.
That's because Arabs and Muslims never kill anyone.
Yes. Any member of the United Nations has also signed on to the UN Convention on Genocide. Article II:
"In the present convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as such:
a. Killing members of the group;
b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
Just google on "UN convention genocide" for the whole document. It makes interesting reading.
That Israel used White Phosphorous during the Gaza attack is now mostly non-controversial, but the new spin is that they did so legally. The idea Israel is pushing is that it was used to create smoke to hide their troops, and not to kill people or destroy targets.
From the Israeli daily newspaper Ha'aretz:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061720.html
"... three Israeli documents Haaretz received, which were written during Operation Lead Cast, describe the sort of burns caused by white phosphorus and match the descriptions of the medical personnel in the Gaza Strip. The documents were prepared by the office of the IDF chief medical officer, the Medical Field Operations HQ and Magen David Adom."
From the more conservative Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231866575577&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
"The International Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally."
From the online English version of Israel's largest newspaper, they are pushing the idea that white phosphorous was used only as a "smoke screen" and all deaths were accidental:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3653851,00.html
"(Human Rights Watch) said Israel appeared to be using white phosphorus to hide military operations "a permissible use in principle under international humanitarian law", but said it could cause fires and burn civilians, a threat "magnified by Gaza's high population density, among the highest in the world."
White Phosphorus is a valuable life saving tool of war, and fog, and smoke-screens lest those rock throwers see a tank coming.
Fair enough. Okay.
I've wondered though when Raytheon, General Dynamics or someone will learn how to create smoke with a substance that does not burn hotter when water is applied. Or it hits flesh.
azjoe.
ICC=DOA
wow what a load of bullshit
all legal nuance aside fellas
if the zionists are not guilty of murdering innocent civilians then let's shut the whole bullshit ICC down
if they have no moral authority here - then they have no moral authority period
how about getting the american government in there too for their illegal invasion and subsequent destruction of iraq, for starters
free slobo now
free charles taylor
the ICC is full of shit
cheers, b
An Israeli spokeswoman, Ms Tzipora Menache, stated that she was not worried about negative ramifications the Israeli onslaught on Gaza might have on the way the Obama administration would view Israel. She said 'You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can't criticize Israel."
A representative of a fiat nation the size of New Jersey and a receipient of massive US aid is calling the US stupid? And our government supports these bastards. Amazing.
Do you have a source for this?
Yeah, the remark about controlling the media and show biz sounds just a bit too much the standard anti-semitic screed - the only thing missing is the stuff about the Rothchilds and control of the the world's banks.
Isreal and it's US supporters, Jewish and other, are bad enough. Please let the old American Nazi Party stuff lie.
---USAn---
A google search shows that this probable urban myth has spread around the world in dozens of languages in just a couple weeks.
But then again, Israel should think good and hard why such rumors are so believable. Isreal seems to be trying to do doing everything they can to be hated.
---USAn---
They lost their ability to garner sympathy and support from the world. Pulling the anti-semitic card and the holocaust has lost its effectiveness.
Doesn't sound plausible that any Israeli official would make this type of provocative statement. I would like to see the source, including verification that such a person exists and is a bona-fide Israeli official. I did a quick search and found no mention of this person until Feb. 2009 and only in regards to the alleged statement. Sounds like a hoax to me.
This sort of thing can confuse the real issue of ending US support for genocidal policies against the Palestinians.
Joe
Agree whole heartedly. Hyperbole and false accusations will only diminish the debate, give excuses for foot dragging, and lessen the possibility of some kind of workable solution.
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
Joe. I looked for a source. None. It may have started on a thread with the Baltimore Sun.
On the other hand, in October 2001 Sharon told Peres 'not to worry, we control America' more or less. Honesty is a virtue I guess.
But that first crack is anti-Semitic trash.
azjoe.
In May 1948 Sir John Troutbeck (fmr. Head of the British Middle East Office) wrote in his diary:
" It is difficult to see that Zionist policy ia anything else than unashamed aggression carried out by methods of deceit and brutality not unworthy of Hitler."
What was happening during that time in the infant state of Israel?
It was carrying out ruthless ethnic cleansing operations in hundreds of Arab villages (like Deir Yassin on 9,April 1948) but also in urban areas i.e. in Haifa alone 75,000 Palestinans were "encouraged to leave":
"The Jewish campaign of terrorization, begun in December (1947), included heavy shelling, sniper fire, rivers of ignited oil and fule sent down a mountain side, and detonanted barrels of explosives, and went on for the first months of 1948, but intensified in early April - order from the operation officer (Carmeli Brigade): "Kill all Arabs you encounter, torch all inflammable objects and force doors open with explosives"
(Source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe)
Professor Avi Shlaim, writing in THE GUARDIAN (also on Democracy Now!) about the recent massacre in Gaza, also used Troutbecks words in his introduction to portray the state of Israel as follows:
"On 2 June 1948, Sir John Troutbeck wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
I daresay the British were even more responsible for the creation of this "gangster state" but the US is the main culprit for allowing the gangster state to go on with its crimes against the Palestinians for more than 60 years.
Both countries undermine the UN and institutions like the ICC because they demand strict adherence to international law from their enemies but do not give a damn about their own systematic violations.
I find it absurd to say that Israel's military and political leaders cannot be tried for war crimes because they do not recognize the ICC. This is like arguing that Hitler and the Nazi war criminals had never explicitly recognized the jurisdiction of the Nuremberg court so they should not have been tried at all....
International courts like the ICC must be based on the principle of universality so there can be no exceptions to its jurdisdiction... Human rights and international humanitarian law must be applied to all people no matter if the Palestinians have no state or not
It is very clear that the assault on Gaza was a crime (as well as turning Gaza into a desperate ghetto) and the use of WP and DIME weapons in a densely populated area is even more reason to hold these criminals accountable .... (including the manufacturers of these weapons)
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/38389 (DIME - diabolical weapons already used in 2006...)
good article
i recommend everyone follow the link to the ethnic cleansing story from global research - great site - check out a few more of their stories
they have a decent library on the false flag event of 9/11, the current fiscal crisis and american bullshit in general
let's close down every holocaust display - makes me sick
youtube: eustice mullins - to read more about zion
cheers, b
"an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders"
If only it was just the leaders. One of the really sad things for me is that it appears that a large majority of Israelis support the recent actions against Gaza and even want it taken further. Their lack of compassion is very disheartening.
"I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
"Whether the ICC has jurisdiction in Gaza is expected to be a highly contentious legal issue,"
"Legal" as in most cases, means Big Money lawyers against the public welfare.
Set up an internet site to get donations for Palestinian legal fees.
Or give to one that's already in place.
Duh.
UNITED NATIONS: Arab nations turned to the United Nations for help Thursday in persuading Israel to release a cargo ship it intercepted that had been headed for the Gaza Strip.
The next time the Israeli pirates drag another Trojan Ship into harbor it might just explode...remember Galveston in 1947?
I will personally go to The Hague and boo the bastard zionists if they get them in the box.
There are so many international organizations and NGOs that exist to speak for the nationalist-Islamist police states of South Asia, that it must be difficult for their pro-facist supporters to decide which conferences to attend.
Let's see. Israel refuses to recognize the ICC, won't sign the Additional Protocols of Geneva, refuses to abide by any of over 60 UN Resolutions, has never defined its borders, won't sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and its leaders regularly commit war crimes.
Tells you something about her supporters.
Palestinians make the argument that because they are not a state, they aren't bound by any international law.
Oh heck, maybe you are judy levy in neo-form...Who knows. I see he or she is not filling up the posts any longer. however, what is israel's stated reason for not being bound by international law? Do you happen to know?
"not bound by international law" is a canard, like "use blood of gentile children for matzohs." That a billion Muslims believe both to be true, counts for nothing at all.
"Give me liberty or at least two shoes to hurl"
I just read an interesting article on Human Rights Watch on URUK.net today.
In every case HRW leans over backward to demonize Arabs and whitewash the zionist entity.
The most bizarre case was when about 30-40 Palestinians stood on the roof ontheir house & refused to leave, even tho the Israeli airforce phoned them & said they'd be dropping by with bombs.
HRW condemned Hamas and said using human shields was a war crime.
The IDF routinely grab Palestinians to enter buildings first, tie them to the top of jeeps, etc. and HRW, calls for investigations.
HRW is beholden to the USA for funding & seems more worried about keeping their positions than being impartial.
I agree with above poster: why have an international court if it can only enforce the law on signatory nations. Of course a rogue state will not sign, it's hard to use propaganda against cold clear facts.
1,343 Palestinian deaths compared to HOW many Jews? And four of the deaths were due to "friendly fire". (scuse me, can't remember if the answer was 10 or 13)
The best (or maybe the only) thing Palestinians can do is wait for their numbers to out populate the jews.
Its coming fast.
The jewish majority is going to be a minority again soon enough.
If they get really hard up they can move to Rutabaga city.
There are 300 million Arabs and a billion Muslims, marching up and down and chanting Nazi slogans, right now. They still haven't accomplished their Big Antisemtic Dream.
Please, let us cut the bullshit and let the Zionists spew their hatred. Do not call them Israelis anymore, call them Jews and screw their antisemite mouths. All of them. When they do what they do, it gives me more reason to hate every one of them and I refuse to abide their presence in my company.
The obnoxiousness and hatred of the pro-Israel comments is no excuse for you or anyone else to spew similar hatred. There's no reason to get antisemitic about this. It doesn't add to the debate and only serves to justify the paranoia that the Zionists love to exploit. And I'm sure that a good number of the posters here who are critical of Israel are themselves Jewish. Why alienate them from a worthy cause? If Israel is ever to be reined in from her murderous actions, Jews of a more humanitarian persuasion will play an important role. But perhaps you, Jonah, are simply a Zionist mole pretending to be an antisemite. Either way, mole or true antisemite, you only poison the debate.
You are right clovis, but so is Jonah.--sort of anyway. We have all been conditioned to react with shame if we even think about jews in negative terms. Muslims and christians we can call whatever we want, but jews? Never. Instead we say settlers , IDF or israelis. Fact is, they do what they do because they are Jews, and as jews they answer only to their god , and nobody else, not even US. Racists are against people for who they are. But to criticise the jews of Israel for what they do must soon become "kosher"--and screw Dershowitz and Foxman.
A new name appears. Interesting.
The problem is, you will notice they do not comment on the article, really. Neither 'side' of the instigators do. They just spew their vitriolic hate speech.
I think that ignoring them is the best way to go. For one thing, it is like clicking throught the tv channels and hitting a bunch of very violent movies. Many people won't even post on these articles anymore because they just feel viscerally offended. Why expose yourself to other peoples' violence?
But then, i don't care to engage with those who have only destructive intentions. If i wanted that, there are a million other sites i could go to. And i would have been a fan of Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld. Different on the outside, same intentionality. They just have the power. And more....
But that is just my personal preference.
Daga,
First of all; who is a Jew? If you refer to those who follow the religion of Judaism then know this: Most of the Israelis are not Jews, in the religious sense, but the great majority are Zionists, a racist and fascistoid ideology that is sharply opposed by believing Jews, who denounce it as an abomination that cannot be reconciled with Judaism.
If, on the other hand, you refer to ethnic Jews then be aware that the great (90%) majority of the s.c. "Jews" in Israel have no connection with the land nor with the nation of Jews that were expelled from Jerusalem nearly 2000 years ago. Most of the Israelis (the Ashkenazi) are descended from the Khazar, a Turkic people, then living in the Caucasus, that converted to Judaism in the 7th century. What remains is a few 100.000, mostly Sephardic (ethnic) Jews, of which a minority follow the Torah (Old Testament).
Clovis, you have a good point. (couldn't resist)
He's a troll man ... doo doot doo doo doot doo.
I think it is a troll game, where one troll says something obnoxiously anti-Jewish and starts a long interchange with another troll who advocates genocide against the Palestinians. Then they go on and on, clog up the discussion, call names, muddy the issues and bury intelligent commentary in a stream of nonsense.
It happens on most articles that deal with Palestinians. Similarly with articles on energy, or global warming, which are trolled by reps of the oil companies, etc. The threads get very long. You don't see much of this on Congo or poverty, because there is no paid or organized disinformation campaign on this issues, at the moment. Those commentary streams are generally short.
My advice: If a comment is too stupid to be for real, ignore it. If a person keeps posting the same type of comment over and over, ignore it. If you see a poster who uses abusive or racist language, ignore it.
Joe
I generally agree with you, Joe, except for the fact that I think these threads are good forums for the vox populi, and excessive hate speech might be a tactic for those who wish to see them shut down. At least if we reasonably refute and verbally chastise those who advance obscurantist agendas, whether antisemitic or anti-Arab, we can, so to speak, clear the air for the more serious posters.
Yes I understand what you are saying. I would not like a new person to log in and see unchallenged hate speech, etc. and get the wrong idea about CD. So I suppose one refutation is enough, and then we should avoid going back and forth.
Joe
Clovis, Cheers!! I had the same thoughts regarding Zionist mole, etc. However, i don't even want to get into conspiratorial irrelevancies. I think we should stick to helpful commentary. That is just my personal view, of course.
Peace.
I agree in principle. Be well, readytotransform.
Peace
Pan
STOP!!!
Hey you guys the Americans and Israeli`s aren`t going to like this OR AIPAC.