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TechnoratiGazans Warned of Escalation While Israel Faces War Crime Accusations
The United Nations' most senior human rights official said last night that the Israeli military may have committed war crimes in Gaza. The warning came as Israeli troops pressed on with the deadly offensive in defiance of a UN security council resolution calling for a ceasefire.
![[An Israeli mobile artillery unit fires a shell towards Gaza from its position outside the northern Gaza Strip January 10, 2009. Israel pressed on with a punishing Gaza offensive and Hamas fired more rockets into the Jewish state on Saturday in a two-week-old war that continued to defy international efforts to stop it.
(Jerry Lampen/Reuters)]](http://www.commondreams.org/files/article_images/gaza_0110.jpg "gaza_0110.jpg")
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Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, has called for
"credible, independent and transparent" investigations into possible
violations of humanitarian law, and singled out an incident this week
in Zeitoun, south-east of Gaza City, where up to 30 Palestinians in one
house were killed by Israeli shelling.
Pillay, a former international criminal court judge from South Africa, told the BBC the incident "appears to have all the elements of war crimes".
The accusation came as Israel kept up its two-week-old air and ground offensive in Gaza and dismissed as "unworkable" the UN security council resolution which had called for "an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire".
Protests against the offensive were held across the world yesterday just as diplomacy to halt the conflict appeared to falter.
With the Palestinian casualty toll rising to around 800 dead, including 265 children, and more than 3,000 injured, fresh evidence emerged yesterday of the killings in Zeitoun. It was "one of the gravest incidents" since Israel's offensive began two weeks ago, the UN office for the co-ordination of humanitarian affairs said yesterday.
"There is an international obligation on the part of soldiers in their position to protect civilians, not to kill civilians indiscriminately in the first place, and when they do, to make sure that they help the wounded," Pillay told Reuters. "In this particular case these children were helpless and the soldiers were close by," she added.
An Israeli military spokeswoman, Avital Leibovich, said the incident was still being examined. "We don't warn people to go to other buildings, this is not something we do," she said. "We don't know this case, we don't know that we attacked it."
Despite the intense bombardment, militants in Gaza fired at least 30 rockets into southern Israel yesterday. Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman, told al-Jazeera TV: "This resolution doesn't mean that the war is over. We call on Palestinian fighters to mobilise and be ready to face the offensive, and we urge the Arab masses to carry on with their angry protests."
Israeli officials said they could not be expected to halt their military operation while the rockets continued and said they first wanted an end to the rocket fire and a "mechanism" to prevent Hamas rearming in future.
"The whole idea that Israel will unilaterally stop protecting our people when Hamas is sending rockets into our cities to kill our people is not a reasonable request of Israel," said Mark Regev, spokesman for prime minister Ehud Olmert. Israel wanted security for its people in southern Israel, he said, and dismissed suggestions his military might seek to topple Hamas, saying they were "not in the regime-change business".
Israeli public opinion still strongly favours the war. One poll of Jewish Israelis yesterday, by the War and Peace Index, said 90% of the population supported continuing the operation until Israel achieved all its goals.
Olmert held a meeting of his security cabinet, and on the agenda was discussion about whether to intensify the offensive by launching a fresh stage of attacks in which Israeli troops would invade the major urban areas of Gaza as more reservists were called up. There was no word on the outcome.
So far 13 Israelis have been killed in this conflict, of whom three were civilians.
Another 23 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military yesterday. Seven from one family, including an infant, died when Israeli jets bombed a five-storey building in Beit Lahiya, in northern Gaza. There was heavy aerial bombing and artillery fire across the territory.
More than 20,000 Gazans have fled their homes in the north of the strip and thousands more in the south. In some cases Israeli troops have told them to leave, or dropped leaflets warning them to evacuate their homes. Some are even dividing their families between different addresses for fear of losing them all in a single air strike.
"Many people are leaving their homes and moving to the centre of the cities," said Abdel Karim Ashour, 53, who works with a local aid agency, the Palestinian Agricultural Relief Committee. He, his wife and their four children fled their house on the coastal road in northern Gaza on the third day of the conflict. He sent the four children to stay with his brother while he and his wife are staying at a friend's house. "We were in an area of heavy shelling, so we left and I divided the family to try to reduce the victims if we face any trouble. We try and keep in touch by telephone but there are problems with the network," he said. "We're just hoping for a ceasefire. If the fighting goes on there will be more victims."
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How do you say "Anne Franke" in Palistinian?
The US government, who is responsible for supporting and arming, including with 400 nuclear warheads, the genocidal state of Israel (really Occupied Palestine), is the number one problem here.
The number two problem is YOU, who do nothing about it.
That same US government allows sites like this plastic progressive sandbox to operate relatively unfettered.
Why?
Because they view it as a useful SAFTY VALVE: they know if you piddle away your time posting and hand-wringing here that you won't march on Washington and throw their asses out.
As always, the ball is in YOUR court--and I don't see you doing squat.
Seerena and I like your posts and see your point, but then the natural counter response is why are YOU posting here if you think it's a waste of time?
ignore, a troll!!!
You are doing it wrong letto, it's troll ignored. Can't you even get that right? SIGH!
That's right, ignore the troll - you that is, Letto!
> That same US government allows sites like this plastic progressive sandbox to operate relatively
> unfettered.
Serena, do you mean to say that the US government should have actually
banned this site? Perhaps you are too strongly inspired by the situation in the
Arab world.
??????
Apparently you need to learn English.
Let me explain. You say that the US government keeps this site active only because it is actually helpful for the government -- implying that otherwise the government would have shut it off. Did I misunderstand?
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In Gaza half eat one meal a day alot of malnutrition, sort of like the a Ghetto as to movement isolation and food,also the .. give the bad guys up or we will have to control you more, you know it`s your fault ,and these ghetto peoples they smuggle in weapons because they have walls around them and their farm land is wow like disappearing ,awk someone else is farming it now ! don`t get upset just let us take care of everything..
Also there is that for some reason they do not like us.
Says right here in this book what was theirs is ours and the U.S. says so too.
Joe Liberman could help them to see it clearly as Ariel Sharoan did ,maybe Israel needs more tanks or Planes oh! throw in those cluster bombs leave some of them around also .
Sounds insane! it is when human rights of any people are trampled on .
Here are several enlightening videos. These are some examples for what the Israeli army is facing. I don't know of examples where other armies have done better in avoiding civilian casualties in similar conditions (USA and Britain in Iraq?) And what about NATO in Kosovo? Russia in Georgia? were they faced with an enemy that deliberately puts civilians at the front?
1) Hamas Launching a rocket from a mosque.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=165_JS4t0SE
2) Hamas using UN ambulances for militant operations (watch till the end and you'll see what a white UN flag means in Gaza).
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1231063776
3) Hamas use of children in warfare: several sickening videos.
- Hamas militants forcefully using young children as shields
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=be5_1190110095
- Hamas militants using a child as a lookout; 14 year old used for suicide attack.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b0a_1204980406
- From Al Aqsa TV. Call for children to gather near a house, to form human shields
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=351_1231430391
- Child lured in to take part in militant activity, and taught how to use a weapon.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=360_1200972287
- A TV ad from Palestinian TV:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f45_1176500361
4) Hamas MP bragging (in Arabic, not in English of course) about the use of women, children, and elderly as human shields:
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1710.htm
You can register to see the movie.
Transcript: Hamas MP Fathi Hammad, February 29, 2008. “[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: “We desire death like you desire life.”
5) Hamas militants firing mortar bombs from a UN school, Oct 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lI&feature=channel_page
I also recommend reading the following recent story in the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/world/middleeast/11hamas.html?scp=2&sq=gaza&st=cse
Another note: Palestinian claims about the number of civilian casualties have often turned out to be highly exaggerated. During the fighting in Jenin in 2002 palestinians were describing a massacre, genocide, etc, as they do now. The numbers in the end (confirmed by UN investigations) were: 56 palestinians killed, most of which were combatants, and 23 Israeli soldiers killed. In Gaza, yes, the number of casualties is considerably higher, there's no doubt, but the percentage of civilians in the casualties will turn out, I suspect, to be smaller than current estimates, which are based on Palestinian sources. In particular, many of the Hamas militants are dressed in civilian clothes, so when they arrive to the Hospital the medical staff have no way to identify them as combatants.
But these are side remarks. My main point is the videos above.
all the rest are daily details of the "poor victim" war criminals stealing as usual
Ancient Times: Moses leads jewish slaves out of Egypt to the land of Canaan, occupied by non jews. One True God(Zeus, Osiris and the rest are all fakers) says the land belongs to his Chosen people(all the green mountains of Peru, snow covered peaks of Asia, and plains of Africa, that's all extra stuff God created to balance out his most special of places: the ME desert).
After 400 years the One True God decides that he wants to scatter his chosen people, so he gives the land back to the non jews. And has a traitor jew become leader of a new religion that has a love/hate relationship with jews.
1880s: A couple of European jews want to establish a homeland for jews. Call it Zionism.
1900-1917: The Turkish Ottoman empire collapses and the Brits move into Palestine. Zionists in Europe twist arms to get Balfour declaration. Lawrence of Arabian promises to help arabs get independence but zionist jews and western oil interests have the upper hand. Zionist jewish settlers start moving to Palestine and buying absentee arab land, and making rules that only jews can buy the land. This annoys Palestinian arabs and jews, who see the zionists as troublemaker racists.
1920s-30s: More zionists move in, and more trouble happens.
Western countries start propping up kings and dictators to run newly created Arab nations so they can get oil wealth.
1938: Zionists ask Gandhi to say something nice about their plans for Palestine. He says Palestine belongs to the arabs as france does to the french.
They dont like that. They keep trying but in 1946 he says the zionist jews should not resort to naked terrorism and taking a land by force.
39-1946: Hitler's jewish (and non jewish) extermination camps leads to a massive influx of settlers in palestine.
The UN decides to give the minority jews the majority of the land in a partition plan, which pisses off the indigenous arabs.
1946-48: Jewish terrorists blow up hotels, expel arabs from villages, assassinate UN officials.
Israel declares itself a state-starts rewriting history, claiming the arabs attacked them after they peacefully established a country(see Gandhi).
1950s: Israel continued to take land and kill arabs. Working with France they attack Egypt over the Suez Canal. Israel tries to hold onto it until Eisenhower tells them to let go.
1967: Israel attacks Egypt and Syria and takes the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan heights. Starts expanding settlements. It once again rewrites history to suggest it was attacked first.
It almost sinks the USS Liberty, claiming that on a clear sunny day with no wind it mistook a steel hi tech naval communications vessel for a wooden egyptian horse carrier. Even though it got close enough to machine gun lifeboats. It said it was sorry, and gave back some of its US tax dollars to compensate the victims.
1971: Israel rejects a peace deal with Egypt that would require giving back all the 67 land, but gets friendly with Apartheid South Africa.
1973: Egypt and Syria attack Israel on a holiday(apparently God was asleep and didnt help out his chosen people, so they turn to the US). Israel fights them off. Arab countries respond by spiking oil prices for western nations.
Israel starts funding Hamas(in palestine) and the Muslim Brotherhood(Egypt) as Islamic fundamentalist groups to sew discord with Arafat's secular Palestinian group Fatah.
1980: Carter presses Israel to a peace deal with Egypt.
1982: Israel invades Lebanon to get at Palestinians. Devastates country, kills tens of thousands, and uses proxy christian armies to massacre refugees.
1987: first intifada, Israel shoots children throwing the most deadly terrorist weapon of choice: stones.
1994: Baruch Goldstein massacres dozens of arabs in mosque. Suicide bombings start.
Israel and Palestinians sign Oslo accords-interm peace deal. Palestinians to police themselves to protect Israel, Israel continues to build settlements, demolish homes, kill palestinians etc.
2000: rejects a final peace deal with the palestinians, blames them for not wanting an apartheid system. Leaves Lebanon, but doesnt agree to give back prisoners of war or Shebaa farms. Continues to meddle in Lebanese affairs, blames Syria for everything.
Ariel Sharon visits a mosque in Jerusalem with 2000 soldiers, palestinians start throwing stones-massacres them(stones are still dangerous, especially to 2000 Israeli soldiers armed with machine guns). Second intifada begins.
2001: 911, New York- Israeli spies on van are laughing as they film the twin towers attacks. Arrested and released later. Bibi Netanyahu appears on Israeli tv and says "this is good for us."
2002: Israel rejects Saudi peace plan. Urges US to attack iraq and then Iran and Syria.
2005: Israel removes settlers from gaza with major theatrical show. Keeps control of borders.
2006: Israel attacks Lebanon to get back two captured soldiers from Hezbollah(who are strangely still upset about the 10 000 prisoners held by israel). Has children write messages on bombs to be dropped into civilian areas.
Israel devastates Lebanese coastline-allowing tons of oil and chemicals to pollute it. Drops hundreds of thousands of landmines before leaving. Oh yeah-kills a 1000. Israel loses about 100 soldiers.
US and Israel force Palestinians to have an election as distraction from all the demolishing of homes, killing of their people by Israel. Hamas wins big in independently verified democratic election. Israel decides to get back at Hamas by starving Gazans.
2007: Israel and US arm Fatah for a coup against Hamas, but Hamas beats them back. Israel punishes Gazans even more. Hamas initiates ceasefire with Israel.
2008:
Israel promises to unleash a holocaust on Gaza.
In November they kill a dozen Hamas members. Hamas decides it doesnt want to renew ceasefire since Israel's definition of one is where no Israeli is killed but lots of Palestinians are. Israel uses this as an excuse to kill 700 and counting.But lots of its people suffer from shock.
Israeli citizens vote Bush favorite US president. Rest of the world rate him the worst. Chosen people of the One True God cant be wrong can they?
There are many other "inaccurancies" in your comment.
1900-1917: The Turkish Ottoman empire collapses -> The Ottoman Empire collapsed during WW I (1914 -1918)
1880s: A couple of European jews want to establish a homeland for jews -> There were a few more than a couple, and not only from Europe.
39-1946: Hitler's jewish (and non jewish) extermination camps leads to a massive influx of settlers in palestine. -> actually, the Holocaust ended in 1945.
Also, It could have been reduced or prevented if the British didn't block Palestine to Jewish refugees.
1946-48: Jewish terrorists blow up hotels, -> That hotel was the British army headquarters. (Hence not a pure civilian target)
1980: Carter presses Israel to a peace deal with Egypt -> It was 1977
1994: Baruch Goldstein massacres dozens of arabs in mosque. Suicide bombings start.
-> Suicide bombing against Israelis started in 1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bombing
1967: Israel attacks Egypt and Syria and takes the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan heights -> Also the Sinai Peninsula. But the first act of war was done by Egypt when they imposed a naval blockade.
1971: Israel rejects a peace deal with Egypt that would require giving back all the 67 land -> What peace deal.
2002: Israel rejects Saudi peace plan. -> Israeli PM said the plan is promising, the Saudi king refused to see him.
2007: Israel and US arm Fatah for a coup against Hamas, but Hamas beats them back. Israel punishes Gazans even more. Hamas initiates ceasefire with Israel.
??? Hamas beats the US and Israel? Hamas initiate ceasefire?
This is a joke, right?
Israeli citizens vote Bush favorite US president. -> Most Jews traditionally vote Democrats, including in the last two elections.
Isn't Shiva the God of detraction?
So far the body count in this new assault on Gaza is:
about 970 Palestinians, and 14 Israelis.
That says more than your long-winded post.
Do you deny that Hamas is using civilians, including children, as human shields?
Evil has only one tool - that is the disruption of peace - it is applied in infinite ways but it is always the same tool -
and where is the VALID proof that the Zionists have any right to be there to begin with? go stand in the corner with the rest of the war criminals - in the propaganda section
Yes. You provide me with PROOF and I will change my opinion.
Until then, the burden of proof is on YOU--and you will not comply.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a4_1204807029
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1710.htm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=351_1231430391
All from Hamas TV.
Everything here supposes that the Zionists have a right of some kind to be there
Do you deny that Israel herded a 100 civilians into a house, then shelled that house killing 30 people including several children left starving next to the bodies of their dead mothers because israel deliberatly denied access to this site?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/09/zeitoun.gaza.israel/index.html?iref=newssearch
This ONE incident out of hundreds the Israelis have committed killed more people than have been killed in Hamas's crude rocket attacks for 4 years AND the total loss of civilians and soldiers since Israel broke the cease fire on Nov. 4th. You Hasbara mechanical route talking points will not be effective here arnorot as we are far too informed to fall for your propaganda. Stop Israel's well documented crimes against humanity.
Free Palestine from Zionist oppression!
Yes, I deny your claim about herding civilians and then killing them.
You still didn't answer my question. Do you deny that Hamas is using civilians as human shields?
Read it an weep apolagist for crimes against humanity:
""Credible eyewitness accounts" described the incident, which occurred in the volatile Gaza City suburb of Zeitoun, said Allegra Pacheco, deputy head of the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs for the Palestinian territories. Pacheco spoke to CNN on Friday.
Witnesses reported that "about 100 civilians were evacuated" to a house Sunday, and the structure was shelled Monday, she said. The witnesses told the U.N. that two of the survivors said their children died.
"There was no order given to move civilians from one building into another," Israeli security sources said.
However, Pacheco said, "The eyewitness accounts that we have received state that the IDF ordered them to go into this house." See images from the conflict (Warning: graphic images) »
Officials are simply passing along witness reports and not making "accusations of deliberate actions or any legal conclusions on the part of the IDF," Pacheco said.
"There needs to be further fact-finding on what occurred in this house," she said, adding that U.N. officials have yet to speak to the IDF and the Israeli government.
Her remarks came a day after the International Committee of the Red Cross issued a blunt press release saying ambulances obtained access to several houses in Zeitoun "affected by Israel shelling," days after they asked to go into the neighborhood.
The release slammed Israel -- an uncharacteristic move for the agency, which is known for its neutrality and quiet, behind-the-scenes activities.
According to the release, the ICRC had wanted "safe passage for ambulances" to the neighborhood since Saturday, but didn't receive IDF permission until Wednesday.
The ICRC and the Palestine Red Crescent Society "found four small children next to their dead mothers in one of the houses. They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all, there were 12 corpses lying on mattresses," the ICRC said. "
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/09/zeitoun.gaza.israel/index.html?iref=newssearch
and yet you still do not answer the question, do you deny that Hamas is using civilians as human shields?
I know that Israel LIES about Hamas using civilians as human shields:
""Immediately after the incident became known throughout the world, the army "revealed" that Hamas fighters had been firing mortars from near the school entrance. As proof they released an aerial photo which indeed showed the school and the mortar. But within a short time the official army liar had to admit that the photo was more than a year old. In brief: a falsification.
Later the official liar claimed that "our soldiers were shot at from inside the school". Barely a day passed before the army had to admit to UN personnel that that was a lie, too. Nobody had shot from inside the school, no Hamas fighters were inside the school, which was full of terrified refugees.
But the admission made hardly any difference anymore. By that time, the Israeli public was completely convinced that "they shot from inside the school", and TV announcers stated this as a simple fact.
So it went with the other atrocities. Every baby metamorphosed, in the act of dying, into a Hamas terrorist. Every bombed mosque instantly became a Hamas base, every apartment building an arms cache, every school a terror command post, every civilian government building a "symbol of Hamas rule". Thus the Israeli army retained its purity as the "most moral army in the world".
THE TRUTH is that the atrocities are a direct result of the war plan. This reflects the personality of Ehud Barak - a man whose way of thinking and actions are clear evidence of what is called "moral insanity", a sociopathic disorder."
http://www.progressive.org/mag/avnery011109.html
Note that the author of this article is israelis writer URI AVNERY, so you can hardly blow it off as "anti Semitic" propaganda the favorite deflective move of Zionist shills when they have no counter argument to offer.
hootowl, what you say is incorrect. On the day of the incident Israel said that PROBABLY there was firing from within the school. The investigation of this incident has not been concluded, and so far it appears that the firing towards the Israeli forces was from a nearby building.
Let's use your line of argumentation a little bit differently: Hamas and UN officials claimed on the day of the incident that the IDF hit the school directly. Now no one denies that the hit was NEAR the school, not inside it. So using your line of argumentation Hamas and the UN are lying.
> I know that Israel LIES about Hamas using civilians as human shields:
That's a funny one, Since Hamas say themselves that they use civilians as human shields (not in English, of course). From Hamas TV:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aea_1231799681
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a4_1204807029
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=351_1231430391
A few more links can be found in my earlier post above - showing also firing from a mosque, firing from a UN school, Use of UN ambulances to transport militants, engagement of young children in warfare.
zionist troll alert.
Ignore.
So now we know what is your view on free speech.
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It’s apparent (from videos of damage from the few rockets that have actually hit buildings in Israel) that the rockets carry no payload of explosives. It’s as if Hamas were lobbing chunks of metal from a catapult. Rude, to be sure, even deadly if you happen to be standing on the wrong side of a room hit by one. But not much of a threat compared to the kind of WMD provided to Israel by the US.
In fact, the rockets are extremely ineffective as an actual weapon – less effective than a rifle which can be at least be aimed accurately. The only function they actually seem to serve is as an excuse for Israel to bomb whatever and whomever it wants. Perhaps, as Jon Stewart suggested, use up stale bombs and guided munitions so they can be replaced with newer, fresher and more powerful weapons to kill from afar.
It makes me wonder if Hamas is so stupid to as to give Israeli war criminals this kind of cover, or if they are simply so beleaguered they are throwing homemade rocket engines at Israel as some sort of last great act of defiance (they’d be better off using them as anti-tank weapons). Perhaps the Mossad cell of Hamas is in control of the rockets. Insanity for sure…
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Israel is entering the 3rd week of GENOCIDE and WAR CRIMES against the civilian population of the Gaza Strip. The United States is funding this GENOCIDE.
STOP all United States funding of the State of Israel....IMMEDIATELY!!!!!
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Today Venezuela sent 12 tons of humanitarian aid to Gaza, and within the next few days another 80 tons will be sent.
Why is president Chavez doing what YOUR government should be doing?
What are YOU doing?
By attacking millitants who are hiding among civilians, Israel commit no war crime.
Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm
Article 28
The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.
Check also UN charter, article 51
The Zionists are invaders - always have been - todays acts are just part of a long string of crimes - they have no legitimate right to be there in the first place - but they do have a BS excuse a minute - but never a reason
ignore vicious zionist troll
Are you proposing to ignore the Geneva Convention? As being vicious Zionist conspiracy?
troll ignored
So why don't you?
PROPAGANDA-After murdering 30 people huddled in a house with a laser guided 500 lb bomb in Zeitun, what is Israel doing?
Read the NYT's! In the article 'a Gaza war full of traps and trickery,' to learn how Hamas used a Mannequin in a doorway in ZEITUN to try to kill IDF soldiers (read the sub-text) "our slaughtering of babies in Zeitun was self-defense."
The ribald idiocy of this dis-information is nauseating. It's inclusion in the MSM is criminal.
Goebbel's would be proud.
I just wonder if the UN can "repeal" its own mandates, like the one that "gave" the Zionist terrorists a "homeland?"
The Palestine Mandate, which was put in place by the Brits--one of the "winners" of WW I, had nothing to do with the UN, which was not even founded until 1945.
I believe UN Resolution 181 in 1947 recommended that Palestine be divided into two countries: Israel and Palestine. Israel just grabbed everything they could get their hands on.
Let me remind you though, that UN resolution 181 was accepted by the Jewish Yeshov, and was rejected by the Arab League which chose to go on a war of annihilation against the Jews of Palestine.
" Azzam Pasha, the Arab League Secretary, declared on Cairo radio: 'This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."
Timeline of the Israel-Palestine dispute
Ancient Times: Moses leads jewish slaves out of Egypt to the land of Canaan, occupied by non jews. One True God(Zeus, Osiris and the rest are all fakers) says the land belongs to his Chosen people(all the green mountains of Peru, snow covered peaks of Asia, and plains of Africa, that's all extra stuff God created to balance out his most special of places: the ME desert).
After 400 years the One True God decides that he wants to scatter his chosen people, so he gives the land back to the non jews. And has a traitor jew become leader of a new religion that has a love/hate relationship with jews.
1880s: A couple of European jews want to establish a homeland for jews. Call it Zionism.
1900-1917: The Turkish Ottoman empire collapses and the Brits move into Palestine. Zionists in Europe twist arms to get Balfour declaration. Lawrence of Arabian promises to help arabs get independence but zionist jews and western oil interests have the upper hand. Zionist jewish settlers start moving to Palestine and buying absentee arab land, and making rules that only jews can buy the land. This annoys Palestinian arabs and jews, who see the zionists as troublemaker racists.
1920s-30s: More zionists move in, and more trouble happens.
Western countries start propping up kings and dictators to run newly created Arab nations so they can get oil wealth.
1938: Zionists ask Gandhi to say something nice about their plans for Palestine. He says Palestine belongs to the arabs as france does to the french.
They dont like that. They keep trying but in 1946 he says the zionist jews should not resort to naked terrorism and taking a land by force.
39-1946: Hitler's jewish (and non jewish) extermination camps leads to a massive influx of settlers in palestine.
The UN decides to give the minority jews the majority of the land in a partition plan, which pisses off the indigenous arabs.
1946-48: Jewish terrorists blow up hotels, expel arabs from villages, assassinate UN officials.
Israel declares itself a state-starts rewriting history, claiming the arabs attacked them after they peacefully established a country(see Gandhi).
1950s: Israel continued to take land and kill arabs. Working with France they attack Egypt over the Suez Canal. Israel tries to hold onto it until Eisenhower tells them to let go.
1967: Israel attacks Egypt and Syria and takes the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan heights. Starts expanding settlements. It once again rewrites history to suggest it was attacked first.
It almost sinks the USS Liberty, claiming that on a clear sunny day with no wind it mistook a steel hi tech naval communications vessel for a wooden egyptian horse carrier. Even though it got close enough to machine gun lifeboats. It said it was sorry, and gave back some of its US tax dollars to compensate the victims.
1971: Israel rejects a peace deal with Egypt that would require giving back all the 67 land, but gets friendly with Apartheid South Africa.
1973: Egypt and Syria attack Israel on a holiday(apparently God was asleep and didnt help out his chosen people, so they turn to the US). Israel fights them off. Arab countries respond by spiking oil prices for western nations.
Israel starts funding Hamas(in palestine) and the Muslim Brotherhood(Egypt) as Islamic fundamentalist groups to sew discord with Arafat's secular Palestinian group Fatah.
1980: Carter presses Israel to a peace deal with Egypt.
1982: Israel invades Lebanon to get at Palestinians. Devastates country, kills tens of thousands, and uses proxy christian armies to massacre refugees.
1987: first intifada, Israel shoots children throwing the most deadly terrorist weapon of choice: stones.
1994: Baruch Goldstein massacres dozens of arabs in mosque. Suicide bombings start.
Israel and Palestinians sign Oslo accords-interm peace deal. Palestinians to police themselves to protect Israel, Israel continues to build settlements, demolish homes, kill palestinians etc.
2000: rejects a final peace deal with the palestinians, blames them for not wanting an apartheid system. Leaves Lebanon, but doesnt agree to give back prisoners of war or Shebaa farms. Continues to meddle in Lebanese affairs, blames Syria for everything.
Ariel Sharon visits a mosque in Jerusalem with 2000 soldiers, palestinians start throwing stones-massacres them(stones are still dangerous, especially to 2000 Israeli soldiers armed with machine guns). Second intifada begins.
2001: 911, New York- Israeli spies on van are laughing as they film the twin towers attacks. Arrested and released later. Bibi Netanyahu appears on Israeli tv and says "this is good for us."
2002: Israel rejects Saudi peace plan. Urges US to attack iraq and then Iran and Syria.
2005: Israel removes settlers from gaza with major theatrical show. Keeps control of borders.
2006: Israel attacks Lebanon to get back two captured soldiers from Hezbollah(who are strangely still upset about the 10 000 prisoners held by israel). Has children write messages on bombs to be dropped into civilian areas.
Israel devastates Lebanese coastline-allowing tons of oil and chemicals to pollute it. Drops hundreds of thousands of landmines before leaving. Oh yeah-kills a 1000. Israel loses about 100 soldiers.
US and Israel force Palestinians to have an election as distraction from all the demolishing of homes, killing of their people by Israel. Hamas wins big in independently verified democratic election. Israel decides to get back at Hamas by starving Gazans.
2007: Israel and US arm Fatah for a coup against Hamas, but Hamas beats them back. Israel punishes Gazans even more. Hamas initiates ceasefire with Israel.
2008:
Israel promises to unleash a holocaust on Gaza.
In November they kill a dozen Hamas members. Hamas decides it doesnt want to renew ceasefire since Israel's definition of one is where no Israeli is killed but lots of Palestinians are. Israel uses this as an excuse to kill 700 and counting.But lots of its people suffer from shock.
Israeli citizens vote Bush favorite US president. Rest of the world rate him the worst. Chosen people of the One True God cant be wrong can they?
zionist troll ignored
For those of you who obviously believe the propaganda Hamas (i.e. Iran) is spewing about casualties and war crimes, you need to wake up and use your brain. The only war crimes being committed are by the terrorists groups and there's proof plenty of that if you'd only bother to look vs. falling back on all the Zionist conspiracy crap (which is exactly what it is, crap).
You sir are nothing but a common liar here are several articles directly from the International Red Crosses own web site that prove that Israel is committing crimes against humanity and precipitating a humanitarian crisis. Your shilling will not work on this web site us humanistic lefties are two well read to fall for yet another round of scripted Hasbara talking points:
http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/israel
http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/israel-palestine-update-291208
http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/palestine-update-030109
http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/palestine-israel-news-090109
http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/palestine-update-100109
Please no more lies on behalf of Israel's well documented by the Red Cross crimes against humanity, THANKS!
I opened all the above links,and searched for the string "crimes against humanity" and all I got was "Text Not Found"
That the best you can do shill? Did all that documentation of the carnage Israel is creating by blocking the Red Cross from doing its humanitarian work block your already stunted mind?
Sir or madam,
Either you are misinformed, or you are a malicious zionist shill.
"An Israeli military spokeswoman, Avital Leibovich, said the incident was still being examined. "We don't warn people to go to other buildings, this is not something we do," she said. "We don't know this case, we don't know that we attacked it.""
Now Israel is one of the biggest beneficiaries of US military assitance. the US is proud of its "precision guidance weapons", most of which it originated.
Avitai Leibovich is parroting her bosses' lines, which seem to assume that anyone the spokespersons talk to, is thick. "We don't know that we attacked it"? And I'll bet that the sights on the artillery are just there for decoration, and the GPS- and laser-guided smart weapons are too pretty to use? And what's a gun trigger for? F-16s are just to look pretty?
We don't know we attacked it? Thick ... as a brick.
WTF???? This is insanity! WAR...What is it good for...
90% approve the attact. What should we think of Israelis, bunch of murdurers? I have a few question for the next Israely I will met. We need to invade Israel!!!
AldoinSF
Since 2001, 10,000 + rockets and mortar bombs were fired aganist civilians in southern Israel.
I'm sure that if 10,000 rockets and mortar bombs would be fired on your house, and someone would have proposed to try and make an end to it, you would approved.
are there any civilians in Israel ? - always thought that it was mandatory for an Israeli to be part of their military?
Israel "may have committed [a] war crime" in one case, but has definitely committed many war crimes against Gazans since, and inclusive of, Dec 27, 2008; besides the many definite war crimes against Palestinians, by Israel and, "of course", the U.S. backer, protector, ... of Israel, for around 60 years now.
Iow, the so-called highest ranking UN human rights official is awfully weak, as far as my opinion goes.
The following is an article that should interest plenty of people. This is a topic we should all be well enough informed about, for these gas fields that are supposed to belong to Palestine evidently are of definite interest to the Israeli leadership as well as Western gas corporations, such as BG, British Gas, f.e.; and as we should all realise, the West "loves" to war against peoples for control of their natural resources when those are of profitable kind. That's not to say that BG, say, is interested in Israel warring on Gazans for access to their gas fields, but since Israel clearly doesn't want Gazans to profit from their own natural resources, well, I guess BG and ilk won't particularly mind which of the two countries access to the gas is obtained through.
I again will say that this present Israeli war of aggression on Gazans is not the fault of Hamas, but Hamas has been a "bit" of a thorn in Israel's "side" regarding control of these gas fields; therefore, we can says Hamas is sort of at fault for Israel's present war of aggression, but only sort of. After all, it is totally war of aggression, a or the [supreme international crime], totally unjustifiable, the Hamas or Palestinian rockets fired into Israel really are Israel's fault, for all it'd need to do in order for these rockets to cease being fired at Israel would be to cease its extreme crimes against Palestinians, but Israel has refused to do this for ... around 60 years now, ..., and so on. So Hamas, again, is not really at fault for the present Israeli war of aggression. It may not be a nice thing to do, to fire rockets into Israel, but it's wholly due to Israel's extremely criminal aggressions, and the Israeli casualties amount to very, very little, nearly none, compared to Palestinian casualties of Israel's entirely criminal aggressions.
Anyway, learn about the gas fields!
"War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza's Offshore Gas Fields",
by Michel Chossudovsky, Jan 8 2009,
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11680
The Zionists may not have, as of yet, risen (or descended) to the level of the Nazis, as far as war crimes are concerned, but they sure look like they're really trying to narrow the gap.
I just wonder, if and when, this mess is over, will we be seeing any type of Zionist War Criminal hunters much like the Elie Weisel Foundation that has, relentlessly, pursued Nazi War Criminals since the end of WWII.
Religion poisons everything. I wish I could turn the sun into a hypno-coin and remove all religious thought from the Earth. I wish I could bring back all of the millions of lives lost to mythology. I just read Sam Harris' THE END OF FAITH and Dawkins GOD DELUSION and Hitchens' GOD IS NOT GREAT, back to back. Whew. I've done my homework on this. If you are reading this and you have religious convictions, please try for a few moments to imagine that you don't actually know anything for sure. Put aside your indoctrination and reassess this assanine tribal conflict. There is a robotic rover on Mars. We know how life really began. The universe is more than 6000 years old. People are all the same, except some can think clearly and some have been victimized by their parents and by parasitic churches into a state of archaic tribal ignorance. Don't be one of them. Fight your mind, not your brother.
is this really about any religion - or is it about theft - are religious claims just intended to be a distraction - and excuse?
Good post maple...Although i am not an atheist, but agree about organized religions...It is what needs to crumble so people can think and feel freely and stop being afraid of their own humaness.
I would really have thought it would be over by now, but the evolution of the human psyche has been thwarted by the most primitive of religious myths.
Good work! That's a lot to digest. If you need a little digestif, try Andre Comte-Sponville's LITTLE BOOK OF ATHEIST SPIRITUALITY. You will find it makes the other books settle quite nicely, and it also undercuts Chris Hedges' theocratic paranoia, referenced in the link from "AndChomskyMakesThree" below. Hedges gets a lot of space in this site, but I think his take on the "new atheism" is dead wrong. "Secular fundamentalism" is a flat-out oxymoron, and a gross misrepresentation of the works you cited (and others). Trust hootowl on this.
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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/07/8139
To speak of secular fundamentalism PRESUMES both sides have arguments of equal weight, but what we have in actuality is the secularists saying 2 + 2=4, and the religionists saying things like Verily behold a pink monkey flew out of the butt of the Mighty Janeue, behold the new Gjkaque, for verily I proclaim on the people Gjkaque that TEXAS shall be thy homeland from the Rio Grande to Oklahoma and though mayest kill those unbelievers and smite them who mock the holy pink butt monkey!
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Etc, etc, etc...
SIGH!
Good link. Thanks.
Reference in Article: "Israeli public opinion still strongly favours the war. One poll of Jewish Israelis yesterday, by the War and Peace Index, said 90% of the population supported continuing the operation until Israel achieved all its goals."
So don't the 20% of Arabs that live in Israel count in the Israeli public opinion poll?
Probably not as they are second class citizens.
I have some questions for the author:
1) Does the indiscriminant launching of rockets into another country count as a war crime?
2) Does the using innocent civilians as human shields count as a war crime?
3) Does the storage of weapons in houses of worship count as a war crime?
4) Does the confiscation of UN provided ambulances for the transport of combatants count as war crimes?
When the author treats these questions seriously, then I'll treat his accusations of Israelis war crimes seriously.
msanbom
If Israel were Colonized, Jews penned up like cattle and starved to death, their homes demolished before they were attacked by heavy armor while they were defenseless would they fight back? Should they?
Or as an Occupied people would Israeli's just give up and leave. Not resist Concentration Camps?
Not resist Ethnic Cleansing? Thoughts, Sir?
Let'see.... Jordan, Egypt and to some extent the Fatah party are not at war with Israel. Israel doesn't have Jordans, Egytians or people on the West Bank in concentration camps and is not ethnically cleansing them. They have admitted Israel's right to exist. Hamas, on the other hand, does not admit Israel's right to exist and has, at every opportunity, made war with Israel. Do you see a pattern here?
What would you have Israel do? Leave gaza to the Palestinians? They tried that, they completly evacuated Gaza 2 years ago. No more penned cattle, no more starving to death, no heavy armor. Did Hamas start building a state? They took all their money and bought rockets.
Another lie from a Zionist shill Gaza has been under continuous food, fuel and medical supply blockade for over a year despite Hamas obeying the ceasefire last summer and ISRAEL breaking it on Nov. 4th.
another zionist shill ignored
So what is your point, if both sides commit war crimes, it is okay. Israel targets and kills those responsible (plus innocent people) on the Palestinian side that are committing war crimes therefore no war crime trials are necessary. On the other hand, nobody on Israel's side is held responsible for its war crimes.
Egypt and Jordan made war with Israel for years. There was endless tit for tat. Finally, they got sick of it and made peace with Israel. Ever since, these parties have gotten along well with each other. What is stopping the Gazan Palestinians from doing what the Egyptians and Jordanians did?
You have captured the Zionist shill mentality in a nutshell bravo sir, their "Hasbara" talking points are waaaaay beyond stale.
And you sir, are ignoring all the facts. You'd rather call names
Re: your "questions for the author":
1) Does the indiscriminant launching of rockets into another country count as a war crime?
Yes, indiscriminantly launching rockets is a crime, war crime or otherwise. But how many people have the rockets launched from Gaza killed compared to Israel's recent attack on innocent Palestinians?
2) Does the using innocent civilians as human shields count as a war crime?
3) Does the storage of weapons in houses of worship count as a war crime?
4) Does the confiscation of UN provided ambulances for the transport of combatants count as war crimes?
What evidence can you provide that these things (2-3) have been happening?
nyengo, there are numerous testimonies supporting these claims, but you probably will deny their validity because they come from Israeli soldiers. So please see my post above. It includes videos that clearly demonstrate points 2,3,4, as well as the use of children in fighting by Hamas.
1) So Israel should have stopped at a number equal to the number killed by Hamas? There is more at stake here than body count. How about the question of whether Israel has a right to exist? Does it?
2)Hamas has admitted to using civilians as human shields:
http://newsblaze.com/story/20081229092838zzzz.nb/topstory.html
3)http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle08.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2008/August/middleeast_August550.xml§ion=middleeast
4)http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1231063776
A dozen deaths from crude rocket attacks is going to cause Israel to "cease to exist," hyperbola much msanborn? I'll bet you 5 dollars more people have died from traffic accidents in Tel Aviv and the surrounding suburbs in the last 4 years than have died from the combined rocket attacks of Hizbolah and Hamas in the last 4 years. Yet I suspect you aren't going to say Israel's bad drivers are going to cause Israel to "cease to exist." Why the double standard about bad drivers who kill more Israelis than terrorist rockets msanborn?
Israel has also used human shields in pervious conflicts:
http://ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/child-shield.html
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5934.shtml
hootowl, read the question before you answer in typical gibberish. Do you accept Israel's right to exist?
Hamas calls for the annihilation of Israel, and for indiscriminate killing of Jews. The rockets are thankfully NOT a threat to the existence of Israel, but they are a threat to about a million Israelis in the south of Israel, that Israel has no reason to accept. The south of Israel is rather sparsely populated, that's why 8000 rockets killed about 20 people (wounding more, and causing lots of damage), but Hamas strives to increase the range and precision, and would love to see hundreds or thousands of Israeli civilians killed. They say so, after all. In the suicide attacks they murdered hundreds of Israeli civilians, so Israelis know very well who they're dealing with. As far as I remember, about %90 percent of the population in Gaza supported the suicide attacks. Do you support them?
In holding onto it's illegal sliver of land in the West Bank Israel has murdered 4 TIMES as many people as the Palestinians have since the second intifada:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
You know until quite recently I used to argue for Israel existing at the green line arnonrot, but seeing Israel's latest murderous rampage and the uncaring response of Israel's defenders like yourself, letto, blutodog, Goose4, who come to left wing humanist web sites solely to peddle a line of bull while not caring about hundreds of children painfully burned to death I am starting to wonder if a state of Israel IS a good idea. Perhaps a single state of Palestine with peaceful co-existnce and a right of return would be more just.
CERTAINLY at any rate Israel has squandered any sympathy I might have had for it a long time ago with land theft, shooting little kids with sniper rifles, bulldozing houses and orchards, rioting religious zealot settlers in Hebron, killing human rights activists like Rachel Corrie, shooting reporters well marked cars with tanks, breaking dozens of U.N. sanctions and all the rest of Israel's overly aggressive b.s.
At any rate Hamas is no threat to the existence of the state of Israel, that is a joke and you know it, I just wish the U.N. WAS a threat to Israel, and would enforce the dozens of U.N. sanctions Israel has so carelessly trashed, which is extremely spiteful considering it was the U.N. who granted i\Israel nationhood stats in the first place.
And still you didn't answer, do you support suicide attacks against Israeli civilians? Why is it so difficult to answer this question?
Speaking of left wing, humanist, and progressive ideas, it is bizarre to see here support for Hamas, a fundamentalist organization whose ideology oppresses women, homosexuals, anyone with a different religious belief. An organization that installed a regime of terror on their own people, ruthlessly killing members of the Fatah opposition, torturing and humiliating many others.
It is also depressing to see in this discussion blunt anti-semitic remarks, like a comment posted by shiva on Jan 12, 1:21pm. I don't think that any anti-Israeli comment is anti-semitic, so I'm not talking about the harsh anti-Israeli remarks that are common here. But Shiva's comment is nothing but pure racist slur. Why does this community tolerate such a comment? How does that go along with humanist ideals? I was glad to see another blunt comment, "Jews are feces", removed by the moderators.
I agree, Hamas is not a threat to the state of Israel, because Israel has superior military power over Hamas and will win this war. I don't see this (or any other part of the conflict) as a contest who is killing more from the other side. But the comparison you quote above, of Israel killing 4 times palestinians than the palestinians killed Israelis actually speaks for Israel, given its vast military superiority over the palestinians. This would not have been the outcome if Israel's goal was to deliberately target civilians (which is, by the way, a declared goal of Hamas). I see no need to apologize for the fact that Israel has stronger military force. On the contrary, I'm very thankful that this is the case.
Just to make things clear, I regret the death of every Jew AND palestinian. But I support my government's action to defend the citizens in the south of Israel, who were bombarded by missiles for 8 years.
Sorry folks, I thought i was posting this at the peopes voice web... http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/pastnews.php/2006/09/27/israelis_inadvertently_admit_comp... about 9/11 and Mossad agents but I will leave it for your pleasure or for whatever.
I think the world knows that most intel agencies knew that the attack was coming.
Of course Mossad would know even more than most and the attack was good for their policy of Ethnic Cleansing.
In fact when Cheney was claiming Atta was meeting with Saddam's agents, Atta was down here in Florida getting flying lessons at a school where he needed security clearance at a CIA/Drug connected airfield. He even tried to buy a used car from my good friend at that time. I advised her to tell the FBI what she knew. She is fine now.
I don't think however that the Towers were wired for demolition and after studying this issue for years I came to the conclusion that this theory is backed only by half truths all of which can be debunked.
The demolition theory does tend to keep away any serious investigation of 9/11 because it puts us in a conspiracy nut mold.... it was a conspiracy but not a programed demolition... that would be stupid and leave a million points of discovery.
Most all of the questions that the demolition proponents think is proof can be studied in detail at http://www.debunking911.com/
Most of you may disagree, but I feel the Truth 9/11 movement has been bad for the peace movement because it focuses on the false theory of demolition rather than getting a real investigation of what the intel agencies knew and how the hijackers were able with Bush's help to get all their training in the USA and plans kept semi-secret.
Shalom
For the unofficial conspiracy theory of what happened at the World Trade Center on 9/11, if you have not done so already, please go to the Web site of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:
http://www.ae911truth.org,
and see for yourself what architect Richard Gage has to say about the matter of the destruction of WTC 1, 2, and 7. In other words, watch the video presentation of his account. It is very clearly explained.
Yes, the official theory is also a conspiracy theory, since it claims that nineteen men CONSPIRED to attack certain places and institutions in the United Sates by driving airplanes into buildings. Mind you, no one at ae911truth is claiming that there were not nineteen men who did such, just that they got a supplement of help from domestic elements in taking down the three buildings in question.
Also, for the record, no one at ae911truth is claiming that no airplane hit the Pentagon. For a sober account of what happened at the Pentagon (how it was perfectly possible to smash an airliner into the Pentagon, contrary to the Loose Change, 2nd. edition claims, for instance), see http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html.
Generally, I highly recommend 911research.com and 911review.com.
Jeevee
What's a real investigation? and how long do "real investigation(s) take?
Good Question... I don't have the answer, just more good questions...but I'm workin on it.
Hope you can join me The truth needs help and we do have a chance... just a chance that the new CIA Leon from Northern California who has studied the secret ways of Intel can find and tell the truth... Hey, there is a chance that a change is gonna come...I have been workin on it...even with Phil Ochs and I am just 66 and not ready to Quit.
Unfortunately the 9/11 truth movement has been widely infiltrated by the gov in order to manage public perception. I would let it sit... it won't successfully be unraveled into well into the future. Instead I would focus on other things that we have better evidence of.
(edit)- I realize my comment might be misunderstood. I do fully support looking into all the events of Sept. 11th. And Jim, I think you are right on track. Dave Emory has a lot of solid information on Mohammad Atta tha'st worth checking out:
http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/DX
(finish edit)
1961- "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."- Eisenhower
1963- Dallas Coup d'État by the US Military Junta
1968- Los Angeles Coup d'État (continued)- http://www.rfkmustdie.com/
2008- The Second Depression begins
2009- Israel launches the Super Weapon Side Show in the Attack of Gaza
date needed- "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein
side note, "I know at least five weapons WWIII is being fought with- white phosphorous, dense metal super weapons, nuclear stickup, missile defense, and propaganda. ",- fakedemocracy
January 2009- on the economy, "Just show me.. if you can show me that something's going to work, I will welcome it", President Elect Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXw_EpUZGow
January 1935- "Share Our Wealth" and "Barbecue Speech", Huey P. Long
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hueyplongshare.htm
Thanks fakedemocracy, I am listening to Dave Emory now.... a new source for me.
Look, folks, it's time to grow up and be adults.
Adolescents jerk themselves off to silly music and believe the crap they see on t.v.
Adults--in order to be called that--need to face the music and stop letting themselves be jerked around.
Any idiot can see that the US government did 9/11. I said it on Mexican t.v. the day it happened. Even 6th graders in Metepec said that the US government did it for an excuse to start WW III and go after everybody's oil.
It's really time to stop fooling yourselves.
This is about the US Military Junta, established during the Dallas Coup of 1963, who is now using Israel to debut new Super Weapon technologies in the field. We're putting on a Super Weapon Side Show aimed at sending an ominous message to Russia, China, Venezuela, North Korea and Iran.
"Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian war surgery specialist working in Gaza, told The Times that he had seen injuries believed to have resulted from Israel's use of a new "dense inert metal explosive" that caused "extreme explosions". He said: "Those inside the perimeter of this weapon's power zone will be torn completely apart." the Times Online/UK
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein
Well, I know of five weapons with which WWIII is currently being fought- WHITE PHOSPHOROUS, DENSE METAL SUPER WEAPONS, NUCLEAR STICK UP, MISSILE DEFENSE, AND PROPAGANDA!!!!!
Yep, this was born in Dallas, and with the ongoing cover-up the monster has grown.