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Obama Camp 'Prepared to Talk to Hamas'
Incoming administration will abandon Bush's isolation of Islamist group to initiate low-level diplomacy, say transition sources
WASHINGTON - The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon George Bush's doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.
President Bush speaks as President-elect Barack Obama looks over his shoulder during a meeting of former Presidents in the Oval Office, January 7, 2009. The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon George Bush's doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.(Kevin Lamarque/Reuters) The move to open contacts with Hamas, which could be initiated through the US intelligence services, would represent a definitive break with the Bush presidency's ostracising of the group. The state department has designated Hamas a terrorist organisation, and in 2006 Congress passed a law banning US financial aid to the group.
The Guardian has spoken to three people with knowledge of the discussions in the Obama camp. There is no talk of Obama approving direct diplomatic negotiations with Hamas early on, but he is being urged by advisers to initiate low-level or clandestine approaches, and there is growing recognition in Washington that the policy of ostracising Hamas is counter-productive. A tested course would be to start contacts through Hamas and the US intelligence services, similar to the secret process through which the US engaged with the PLO in the 1970s. Israel did not become aware of the contacts until much later.
A UN resolution was agreed last night at the UN, calling for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire between Hamas and Israeli forces in Gaza. The resolution was passed, though the US, represented by secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, abstained.
Richard Haass, a diplomat under both Bush presidents who was named by a number of news organisations this week as Obama's choice for Middle East envoy, supports low-level contacts with Hamas provided there is a ceasefire in place and a Hamas-Fatah reconciliation emerges.
Another potential contender for a foreign policy role in the Obama administration suggested that the president-elect would not be bound by the Bush doctrine of isolating Hamas.
"This is going to be an administration that is committed to negotiating with critical parties on critical issues," the source said.
There are a number of options that would avoid a politically toxic scenario for Obama of seeming to give legitimacy to Hamas.
"Secret envoys, multilateral six-party talk-like approaches. The total isolation of Hamas that we promulgated under Bush is going to end," said Steve Clemons, the director of the American Strategy Programme at the New America Foundation. "You could do something through the Europeans. You could invent a structure that is multilateral. It is going to be hard for the neocons to swallow," he said. "I think it is going to happen."
But one Middle East expert close to the transition team said: "It is highly unlikely that they will be public about it."
The two weeks since Israel began its military campaign against Gaza have heightened anticipation about how Obama intends to deal with the Middle East. He adopted a strongly pro-Israel position during the election campaign, as did his erstwhile opponent and choice for secretary of state, Hillary Clinton. But it is widely thought Obama would adopt a more even-handed approach once he is president.
His main priority now, in the remaining days before his inauguration, is to ensure the crisis does not rob him of the chance to set his own foreign policy agenda, rather than merely react to events.
"We will be perceived to be weak and feckless if we are perceived to be on the margins, unable to persuade the Israelis, unable to work with the international community to end this," said Aaron David Miller, a former state department adviser on the Middle East.
"Unless he is prepared to adopt a policy that is tougher, fairer and smarter than both of his predecessors you might as well hang a closed-for-the-season sign on any chance of America playing an effective role in defusing the current crisis or the broader crisis," he said.
Obama has defined himself in part by his willingness to talk to America's enemies. But the president-elect would be wary of being seen to give legitimacy to Hamas as a consequence of the war in Gaza.
Bruce Hoffman, a counterterrorism expert at Georgetown University's school of foreign service, said it was unlikely that Obama would move to initiate contacts with Hamas unless the radical faction in Damascus was crippled by the conflict in Gaza. "This would really be dependent on Hamas's military wing having suffered a real, almost decisive, drubbing."
Even with such caveats, there is growing agreement, among Republicans as well as Democrats, on the need to engage Hamas to achieve a sustainable peace in the Middle East - even among Obama's close advisers. In an article published on Wednesday on the website Foreign Affairs, but apparently written before the fighting in Gaza, Haass, who is president of the Council on Foreign Relations, wrote: "If the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas continues to hold and a Hamas-PA reconciliation emerges, the Obama administration should deal with the joint Palestinian leadership and authorise low-level contact between US officials and Hamas in Gaza." The article was written with Martin Indyk, a former US ambassador to Israel and an adviser to Hillary Clinton.
Obama has said repeatedly that restoring America's image in the world would rank among the top priorities of his administration, and there has been widespread praise for his choice of Clinton as secretary of state and Jim Jones, the former Marine Corps commandant, as his national security adviser.
He is expected to demonstrate that commitment to charting a new foreign policy within days when he is expected to name a roster of envoys to take charge of key foreign policy areas: Iran, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, India-Pakistan, and North Korea.
Obama has frustrated and confused those who had been looking for a more evenhanded approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by his refusal to make any substantive comment on Israel's military campaign on Gaza, nearly two weeks on.
He said on Wednesday: "We cannot be sending a message to the world that there are two different administrations conducting foreign policy.
"Until I take office, it would be imprudent of me to start sending out signals that somehow we are running foreign policy when I am not legally authorised to do so."
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Show AllBoy, Lieberman is NOT going to be happy to see his campaign support of Obama is being rewarded like this.
Oh, wait ...
Look at George Wanker Bush in the photo above. Worn out, fucked up beyond all recognition. The sweet dreams of permanent glory gone with the wind. Outside of Texas, there will never be a bunch of George W. Bush High Schools or George W. Bush International Airports in cities across the nation. There may never be any in Texas either. The Hollow Man goes to Preston Hollow to fall off the wagon permanently so he will not have to face the shit storm of Hurricane Wanker now blowing over the land. Not have to face the coming revelations of the creeping Stalinism that are going to be revealed by well paid whistle blowers who worked in the dark heart of the Bush Gulag. And then comes the Glorious Day when he fucking chokes to death on a pretzel while watching the Texas Rangers get waxed by the lowly Seattle Mariners. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi, you cheap MoFo!
And in time, there will be warrants for his arrest should he step outside of US territory.
Maybe some foreign intelligence agency will kidnap him and haul him to the Hague? Sigh, only in my dreams.
Mordechai Shiblikov sez: "And then comes the Glorious Day when he fucking chokes to death on a pretzel while watching the Texas Rangers get waxed by the lowly Seattle Mariners."
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I'd been holding out hope for a Technicolor chainsaw accident while clearing brush. But, since he is retiring from the ranching bidness, I will settle for your pretzel scenario and a Rangers beat-down by a Japanese-owned club.
No rancher will choose August to use a chainsaw. This is arguably the hottest job on a ranch.
An interesting photo. The focus is on Obama (who is looking condescendingly at Bush?) while George is slightly out of focus.
Obama's willingness to dialogue with Hamas, Iran, North Korea and others is wise. His numerous detractors on CD have been accusing him in recent days of being 100% pro-Israeli. It is a touch early to criticize his foreign policy failures.
Exactly, let's give Obama the credit he deserves. But being 100% Pro Israel (which he is) doesn't mean you can't care about the people of Palestine as well. Obama has long advocated a two-state solution, which is good for BOTH sides.
Except that Israel wants a one-state solution. Dream on.
With this news it appears that
common sense and respect for the (twice) democratically-elected government of Gazans are returning to US foreign policy.
It's been a long somnolence.
Coffee, anyone?
Obama's willingness to the dialog would indeed be wise. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem willing. See Haaretz http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054008.html :
Obama aide denies report he will launch low-level contact with Hamas
By Haaretz Service
A spokesperson for U.S. president-elect Barack Obama on Friday denied a report that Obama is expected to engage Hamas in dialogue, after he takes office. ...
Secret, low level talks! The guy who changes the paper towels in the State Department men's room is going to put on a fake moustache and talk to the guy who changes the papers towels in Hamas' men's room. Reckless foreign policy reversals like that just make you dizzy.
LOL! That's great.
You really think there is no justice in the world? Just take a good look at the face of GWB, and you will see a wreckage untold by his words--he is so asleep, he even believes his pain is joy. And as Mordechi points out, he will have to severely numb himself to avoid seeing the damage he has done. Though his denial is likely to be great, in his hardened heart he will know. We should pity rather than hate him.
There is nothing wrong with talking to anyone if it could produce positive results. Obama's administration will be talking to their masters in any event, why shouldn't the administration speak to Hamas?
I agree. You know Thomas we must accept the fact that if President-elect Obama could walk on water many here would say he does so because he cannot swim. Thomas can you recall any time in the history of the United States Presidency where a President-elect was expected to assume the office of the President of the United States before the incumbent's term expired?
Worn out, fucked up beyond all recognition.
**lol
I love the CD pictures of Bush. They always pic the most truthful.
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It is not enough to "talk to Hamas". Before he does anything else, Obama needs to openly declare his support for the Palestinian people against the Israeli government's murderous and unlawful military actions. He also needs to "talk to Israel" as well.
When push comes to shove, I'm not sure how much influence Obama can have by just talking to either Hamas or the Israeli government. Doesn't he know that Hamas does not have the resources to stop the Israeli government? Trying to deal with the Israeli government using a carrot is as useless as trying to deal with his conservative opponents here at home using a carrot.
It really is time for strong and public sanctions against Israel.
Obama is trying to bring peace to Middle East.
I support that idea, don't you?
Let's support Obama!
How's he bringing peace to the Middle East? Did they already swear him in as President? I thought that was January 20th. Also given that he has sold his soul to Rahm Emmanuel to be US Pres, I'm not expecting miracles.
Perhaps Rahm Emmanuel gave his soul to Barach Obama to be the President-elect's Chief of Staff. Your premature line of reasoning works both ways. You are correct in that the 43rd President of the United States is still President until January 20th 2009. The ball is still in the 43rd President's court.
George you look like shit. There wouldn't be the vestiges of a conscience in there somewhere would there?
Yeah, and it looks like Obama is considering giving him a bang on the ear!
Some seemingly credible, inside congressional sources are saying that, as President, Obama will not only quickly open high level talks with Hamas (and all other legit interested parties, such as Syria & Iran)), but also use his presidential powers to reduce US military aid to Israel each time Israel (thenceforth, after an initial warning period) continues to operate in violation of Int'l Law and/or fails to participate in newly-constituted, ongoing regional peace negotiations.
A pipe dream? Maybe.
But progressive US Senate sources, who are working on foreign policy matters with his transition team, say that Obama intends to establish and follow such a minimally-firm US 'approach path' to Palestine/Israel peace within a few months of his inauguration.
If reasonably true as rumored, this would be a radical departure from 60 yrs of disastrous US policy, and maybe stand a chance creating new peace possibilities.
I personally doubt that Obama is even going to try to create this approach path.
But if he credibly begins to, I'll be very happy to be wrong.
"Some seemingly credible, inside congressional sources are saying that,"
Who is saying that?
Not Obama.
How about identifying your source of information, if you have any...
"Obama Camp 'Prepared to Talk to Hamas'",
"... Right after we finish using our caddy boy Israel to debut new Super Weapon technologies in the field. We're putting on a Super Weapon side show designed to send a threatening message to Russia, China, Venezuela, and Iran.",- fakedemocracy.
"Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian war surgery specialist working in Gaza, told The Times that he had seen injuries believed to have resulted from Israel's use of a new "dense inert metal explosive" that caused "extreme explosions". He said: "Those inside the perimeter of this weapon's power zone will be torn completely apart. We have seen numerous amputations that we suspect have been caused by this." the Times Online/UK
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1963 & 1968- Dallas and Los Angeles Coup d'État by the US Military Industrial Junta completed according to modern examination of old evidence
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.", Albert Einstein. (Ed note: WHITE PHOSPHOROUS, DENSE METAL SUPER WEAPONS, NUCLEAR STICK UP, MISSILE DEFENSE, AND PROPAGANDA!!!!!)
I think it's about time to try a different strategy. Bush has been completely unrealistic in not listening to someone else's side in this issue. And it's obvious his strategy has been a failure like everything else he has done. When you close your mind to some other possible way of solving a problem. You have defeated yourself before you have even started. We all know why Bush has chosen to close his mind. This whole issue boils down to religion. Christian's see it as their scared duty to defend Israel at all costs. No matter how violent, abusive and tyrannical the state gets. Christian's are going to defend it and blame someone else for the problems that are purely Israels fault. Because of the nonsense that they are 'God's Chosen People'! But, when you take the hypocrisy of the bible out of it. You start seeing a whole completely different picture. Maybe they are 'God's Chosen People' and maybe their not. I personally stopped believing anything the bible had to say years ago. It is more a history book of the Jewish people, their belief's that were invented by humans rather than God and their visions for their future. It is so full and running over with contradictions, violence, bigotry, fornication and mayhem. I don't know how anyone can take anything in it literally? Do everyone a favor and get religion out of our foreign policies. It might solve a lot of our current problems!
topaz
Palestinians and Jews....for centuries.two childeren out of control,endless revenge and violence,its time for the intern.community to get together and say,enough is enough,sit them down together and have a serious talk,hack out their differences..go to the roots of the problem,and move on...Maybe Obama will be able to orchestrate it..give it a chance to work..we can not let this go on ,and on..sit back..see appartheit..the berlin wall...etc..yes we can.
Pan
Hope it`s true , fairness used to be an American Dream if not a reality as to Israel it is a one sided freak show ,The whole World is watching , and watching the American lockstep politicians who seem to fear the words Fair and Just for all mankind or maybe it`s AIPAC more that keeps them and the media in line.
Who is the dog that is wagged by the tail ..it is the U.S.
Get out the checkbooks the Israeli`s will need to build more homes with swimming pools so free up their military expenses or they might run out of money and have to make piece ,but as some say they are our aircraft carrier island in asia minor and help us test out new war materials??
60 years in a refugee camp ,malnutrition half one meal a day water cut off fields taken olive trees cut down homes bulldozed sounds like the Nazi`s in Russsia and did them Russian partisans take their toll.
Pan
Hope it`s true , fairness used to be an American Dream if not a reality as to Israel it is a one sided freak show ,The whole World is watching , and watching the American lockstep politicians who seem to fear the words Fair and Just for all mankind or maybe it`s AIPAC more that keeps them and the media in line.
Who is the dog that is wagged by the tail ..it is the U.S.
Get out the checkbooks the Israeli`s will need to build more homes with swimming pools so free up their military expenses or they might run out of money and have to make piece ,but as some say they are our aircraft carrier island in asia minor and help us test out new war materials??
60 years in a refugee camp ,malnutrition half one meal a day water cut off fields taken olive trees cut down homes bulldozed sounds like the Nazi`s in Russsia and did them Russian partisans take their toll.