Gaza Victims' Burns Increase Concern Over Phosphorus
JERUSALEM - Photographic evidence has emerged that proves that Israel has been using controversial white phosphorus shells during its offensive in Gaza, despite official denials by the Israel Defence Forces.
There is also evidence that the rounds have injured Palestinian civilians, causing severe burns. The use of white phosphorus against civilians is prohibited under international law.
The Times has identified stockpiles of white phosphorus (WP) shells from high-resolution images taken of Israel Defence Forces (IDF) artillery units on the Israeli-Gaza border this week. The pale blue 155mm rounds are clearly marked with the designation M825A1, an American-made WP munition. The shell is an improved version with a more limited dispersion of the phosphorus, which ignites on contact with oxygen, and is being used by the Israeli gunners to create a smoke screen on the ground.
The rounds, which explode into a shower of burning white streaks, were first identified by The Times at the weekend when they were fired over Gaza at the start of Israel's ground offensive. Artillery experts said that the Israeli troops would be in trouble if they were banned from using WP because it is the simplest way of creating smoke to protect them from enemy fire.
There were indications last night that Palestinian civilians have been injured by the bombs, which burn intensely. Hassan Khalass, a doctor at al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, told The Times that he had been dealing with patients who he suspected had been burnt by white phosphorus. Muhammad Azayzeh, 28, an emergency medical technician in the city, said: "The burns are very unusual. They don't look like burns we have normally seen. They are third-level burns that we can't seem to control."
Victims with embedded WP particles in their flesh have to have the affected areas flushed with water. Particles that cannot be removed with tweezers are covered with a saline-soaked dressing.
Nafez Abu Shaban, the head of the burns unit at al-Shifa hospital, said: "I am not familiar with phosphorus but many of the patients wounded in the past weeks have strange burns. They are very deep and not like burns we used to see."
When The Times reported on Monday that the Israeli troops appeared to be firing WP shells to create a thick smoke camouflage for units advancing into Gaza, an IDF spokesman denied the use of phosphorus and said that Israel was using only the weapons that were allowed under international law.
Rows of the pale blue M825A1 WP shells were photographed on January 4 on the Israeli side of the Israel-Gaza border. Another picture showed the same munitions stacked up behind an Israeli self-propelled howitzer.
Confronted with the latest evidence, an IDF spokeswoman insisted that the M825A1 shell was not a WP type. "This is what we call a quiet shell - it is empty, it has no explosives and no white phosphorus. There is nothing inside it," she said.
"We shoot it to mark the target before we launch a real shell. We launch two or three of the quiet shells which are empty so that the real shells will be accurate. It's not for killing people," she said.
Asked what shell was being used to create the smokescreen effect seen so clearly on television images, she said: "We're using what other armies use and we're not using any weapons that are banned under international law."
Neil Gibson, technical adviser to Jane's Missiles and Rockets, insisted that the M825A1 was a WP round. "The M825A1 is an improved model. The WP does not fill the shell but is impregnated into 116 felt wedges which, once dispersed [by a high-explosive charge], start to burn within four to five seconds. They then burn for five to ten minutes. The smoke screen produced is extremely effective," he said.
The shell is not defined as an incendiary weapon by the Third Protocol to the Convention on Conventional Weapons because its principal use is to produce smoke to protect troops. However, Marc Galasco, of Human Rights Watch, said: "Recognising the significant incidental incendiary effect that white phosphorus creates, there is great concern that Israel is failing to take all feasible steps to avoid civilian loss of life and property by using WP in densely populated urban areas. This concern is amplified given the technique evidenced in media photographs of air-bursting WP projectiles at relatively low levels, seemingly to maximise its incendiary effect."
He added, however, that Human Rights Watch had no evidence that Israel was using incendiaries as weapons.
British and American artillery units have stocks of white phosphorus munitions but they are banned as anti-personnel weapons. "These munitions are not unlawful as their purpose is to provide obscuration and not cause injury by burning," a Ministry of Defence source said.
Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian war surgery specialist working in Gaza, told The Times that he had seen injuries believed to have resulted from Israel's use of a new "dense inert metal explosive" that caused "extreme explosions". He said: "Those inside the perimeter of this weapon's power zone will be torn completely apart. We have seen numerous amputations that we suspect have been caused by this."
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(American politicians are complicite) to all the one sidedness here and American Jews also for not speaking out against the occupation and dehumanizing and then punishing a whole population by cutting off food supply water fuel ,cutting down olive groves bulldozing houses and freedom to travel
Then it`s the state murdering .. yes when you have all the tanks planes fuel water food etc.
and herd the people into Ghetto like refugee camps for 60 year and farm their former fields .....then wonder why they DAHH Hate and get rowdy ???
Try it on your neighbor the Israeli solution and you will see a quick reaction..rocket science here or Sociology 101.
I have been a severe critic of Israel for many years but I am greatly disturbed by the overt and no-so-overt and vile anti-Jews on this site. I am deliberately not using the expression anti-Semitic because Semitic stands for a family of languages and how can one be against a language?
Fair enough will you ALSO criticize people like "blutodog" and "goose4" who have openly called for genocide against Palestinians here?
Speaking for myself, I am not anti-Jew, but I sure am anti-zionist.
why it is important if you are anti-Zionist or anti-Jew?
When you look how people are suffering in Gaza and Israel, what comes to your head?
the problem is not who we are supporting. The question is what is right to do and who is right?
Look how these terrorist are hiding behind babies and and how they are using kids in order to save their lives. This is an age who will be remembered in the history of human kind, were people have greater hate for their enemy than love for their kids. Man kind should remember this as a turn in humanity behavior. The Hamas is hiding behind babies and shooting Israeli's while Israeli's standing before their babies and shooting the Hamas.
it is horrible to see those babies dying for stupidity and fight for power and money. this terrorist don't like their people. They are willing to scarify each one of the people who live in Gaza.
on the other hand, Israeli's are using the most advance weapon with F-16 planes in order to kill them. It looks like Israelis are using very high-tech technology and there is no balance between two side (not fiar). When I thought about it, I heard that there is a debate on the Israeli side about the cost of those bombs and the fact is that they can use much cheaper bombs. the drawback will be, no accurate bombs and much more innocent people killed (I heard that with regular or standard weapon about 100,000 Palestinians could have been killed). currently, Israel is using very expensive weapon with cameras control. Each bomb cost million of dollars. many time they destroyed house which cost 50,000 dollar, only because they like to reduce to minimum casualties.
It changed my whole conception about Israel and Israeli's. I was like you, but this war had thought me to look on Israelis in a very different way.
Bom-chad
YOU are a blatant LIAR!! You are nothing but part of the obvious PR Propaganda Blitz that Israel and its U.S. Israeli Lobby groups have put together and you are running wild all over the internet. Its been increasing the last few days just as expected and just on que...people have actually caught the scheme in full force!! You are campaigning for the genociders and you have no mercy. Israel is NOT in any way showing mercy on its victims with less potent fire power. They are using white phosphorus, DU, and an assortment of U.S. made weaponry all for one purpose...TO KILL.
You are not only committing genocide YOU making utter fools of yourselves. Anyone that believes in a new "conception" (boy there's a subtle use of words) about Israel based on your Lies would be an idiot. So are people suppose to think, "gee Israel is so nice, they could have used less expensive bombs that would have killed more" the next time they see torn up children's bodies? You hasbara shills take the cake in cruel intentions.
Indeed Hasbara spam alert the title of this article I am linking to is right on the money. They are getting more ingenious too, I ran into one today on flickr who claimed to be a "bedouin Palestinian" but who also admitted serving in the IDF and parroted the same monotonous Hasbara talking points verbatim:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media
btw: this House and senate Bill was prepared by AIPAC and Nancy Pelosi is one of its main sponsors. All those who think they are getting some kind of change with OBama are in for a rude awakening....if they are not awakened then they will be in denial as so many Bush backers were.
Check out the damage this munision is capable of on the civilian public and imagine the Muslim fighters be it anyone, Hamas, fatah,hesbulah, taliban in possession of stock pile of the WP. IN FACT, FACT THE WHOLE WORLD WILL NOT SLEEP.
Isreal's future is like form in the water.
The negligence of our fathers will not be inherited by our children. and then Nobody lives forever.
Israel says it is stepping up its assault on Gaza this morning, one day after the U.S. Congress gave Israel overwhelming explicit approval for their terror.
Here are some of the CongressTerrorist supporters speaking out for Israel:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r111:1:./temp/~r111JVDni1::
(the page tends to time out at this link...so you may have to click around...or get to the page where you put the in the H Res 34...for house resolution 34.."Israel's right to defend itself".)
Several of them brought up the times when "THEY were in Israel" and how sad it was for the Israelis. Nothing mentioned that Israel uses a nice "trip" to Israel as a propaganda campaign to gain a hold over the new or current congress person. This has been going on a long time. You would think these congress people would see through the smoke, but they rarely do.
the trouble with America is they have to many jews elected and on the take or controlled by the aipac. jews make up a very small % of america. Want to stop this, stop voting jew.
control the media and you control the people.
Remember there is an election coming up in Israel. Plus the billions of cubic feet of natural gas off the GAZA coast. Plus the rich farm land, plus the ocean view proprties. Almost 800 dead and almost 50% of them children.
But Israel says it is fighting Hamas, but just keep hitting homes and schools and hospitals but never where the rockets are being fired from.WHAT LIES
I really can't understand the need to escalate this horrible genocide. I also don't understand how they can do this in full view of the world, without denying anything and still, hardly anyone is doing anything of substance to stop it.
http://www.ryanhartman.wordpress.com
RyanHartman,
That's the point. They are doing it in full view of the world. Particularly Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Africa, and the entire Middle East. It's a show of the most brutal force and war crimes. It's a warning shot at everyone that the US Military Industrial Junta has their targets trained on next. They are doing this atrocity on Bush's time, so as to try to keep Obama's hands clean. Then they will hold the world hostage for the next four years forcing them to play the guessing game, "Is Obama going to bomb us?"
The message is,
"We have chemical weapons and we are not afraid to use them".
"We have new super weapons and we are not afraid to use them"
"We shit on all international arms treaties. So?"
"We bomb UN monitored schools even when we know there are no fighters on the premises."
and of course the lynch pin, "You're next".
quoting the Times Online/UK;
"Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian war surgery specialist working in Gaza, told The Times that he had seen injuries believed to have resulted from Israel's use of a new "dense inert metal explosive" that caused "extreme explosions". He said: "Those inside the perimeter of this weapon's power zone will be torn completely apart."
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1963 & 1968- Dallas and Los Angeles Coup d'État by the US Military Industrial Junta completed, according to modern examination of old evidence
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.", Albert Einstein. (Ed note: WHITE PHOSPHOROUS, DENSE METAL SUPER WEAPONS, NUCLEAR STICK UP, MISSILE DEFENSE, AND PROPAGANDA!!!!!)
Hey I've got a great idea!!! Let's cut the bullshit and simply call America
New Israel!!! Seriously though..... I think we should have a national vote
on whether or not to cut All aid and connections to the state of Israel....
We need to have a serious Intervention with these fuckers..... They simply
cannot be trusted..... Like the god of the Old Testament I've had it about
up to Here with this tribe of monkeys..... Have a super day all you sheeple out
there in America.... Uncle Billy
p.s. Using White Phosphorous on civilians.... The Savages!!!! Start being
civilized and use Napalm like the United States..... Granted it doesn't burn to
the bone but it does a pretty darn good job for the money....
It would be a good start to stop calling yourselves America--as that smears shame over the rest of the countries that make up America and which are NOT footing the bill for international terrorism.
Why not call your country the US?
Or what it's called south of the border: Gringolandia?
The Fourth Reich would be more appropriate.
Fine with me.
Except I believe Israel already has taken that one.
It seems that our Jewish lobby controlled government is rushing another boat load of WMDs to Israel as a reward for this sort of thing:
The Israeli military has reportedly admitted that the shelling of a UN school, which killed dozens of Gazan civilians, was "unprovoked".
UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness said senior Israeli military officials have confessed that there was no gunfire emanating from the school when it came under fire from one of its tanks.
"In briefings senior officers conducted for foreign diplomats, they admitted the shelling to which IDF forces in Jabaliya were responding did not originate from the school," The Haaretz quoted Gunness as saying on Saturday.
It's looking like both #43 and #44 are in for a lifetime of free room and board courtesy of the ICC and the Hague.
Do you believe we should allow people like Rep Brad Sherman (a Jew) of California to spout off like this. It is easy to ostracize Jewish people in our own communities for the sins done to we Americans by such people like Sherman. Go to their jewelry stores and tell them you will not buy from them unless they speak out against Sherman and his ilk.
This is abominable. There is no defense for this offense. For every Israeli wounded or even killed there will be limitless civilian casualties on the Palestinian side. What's the value of life and who is putting the price on the heads of all these people. Seems like the US has shown time and again it will side with Israel no matter how many people are killed and maimed. Since our Gov has been doing it in Iraq and afghanistan, not much to say except a few weasily warnings..bahhh like sheep. I was hoping for democrats to say something and they did. coming out and supporting Israels right to defend itself..hmmmm? quite a defense!!
The last few nights I have been watching the TV news because they have actually been showing the war crime in full color, blood and all. ABC, surprisingly, had some useful information and even talked about the UN school massacre etc. Then, tonight...nothing. It was as if someone had turned off the power. I heard somewhere that Israel was going to start pushing a heavy PR blitz campaign to spiff up their "image" (and there are people who buy this propaganda), and are now showing "ads" of some kind to bolster their diminished image.
Then PressTV reported that its newspeople in Gaza were hit with a bomb (only minor injuries) and their site was down for awhile this morning. Also, the Pro-Israel voices are jammed packed on all sites spewing their ignorant garbage.
Meanwhile Representative Brad Sherman of California gave a Pro-Israel performance for an hour on the House Floor, jam packed with all kinds of Pro-zionist, pro-Israeli propaganda that would turn even Goebbels stomach.
Well, I think this latest crime against humanity is actually a Defining Moment for Humanity as a whole. The U.S. Congress, the most corrupt Congress ever to sit on the "hill", Has failed miserably. They have stood before the country and the world, and blatantly condone and support Terrorism, while they so foraciously condemn the Palestinians as terrorists. The U.S. has failed not only themselves, their families, their communities, and future...but they have failed to do the MORALLY correct thing, which is to immediately cut all aid and military weapons to Israel, and seek international sanctions against Israel.
The U.S. Congress has once again rejected Peace and has shown its contempt for Human Life.
I'm beginning to think that, not only was this in the planning stages at the knesset 6 months ago, but this might be a lead up to something even bigger for when Obama gets into office. His silence on this is really telling. If it were the Jews that lost 800 people you can bet he would be very vocal.
I saw one of those ads...
It reminded me of the ads that run at three a.m. With some washed up TV actress crying into the camera about starving children in Africa and begging for money... Oh, the humanity...!
And just like the "save the children" infomercials... The pro Israel ad was devoid of any context as to why the settlers were being rocket attacked... Just as they don't say that the children of Africa are starving due to manufactured civil wars...
Since Rahm Emanuel, recently appointed by Obama and was former US Rep from Illinois, fought in the Israeli Defense Forces in 1989 why is he not being tried for war crimes? It is our duty to convey to all citizens that this man is at least a traitor to America and should not be in any position of power. He should not be privy to any intelligence or sensitive material. It is best to put him on trial and if guilty deport him to Lebanon for war crimes or the Hague.
I guess its true: Israel owns our government. Not until I saw the house floor on c-span this morning, all abuzz with each member coming forward and stating their unequivicable loyalty to Israel, could I have ever fathomed the immensity of the problem of having a foreign nation owning our government. Just think, the Palestinians are more free than we are....they at least knew all along who the enemy was (to me Knowledge IS freedom), but the citizens of the U.S. cannot even begin to know how little of a voice they have in their own country and thinking they are free. Before witnessing today's show on Capital Hill, I still thought the U.S. was "influenced" greatly by Israel, but did not see just how much power they have over our "elected" officials.
"Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian war surgery specialist working in Gaza, told The Times that he had seen injuries believed to have resulted from Israel's use of a new "dense inert metal explosive" that caused "extreme explosions". He said: "Those inside the perimeter of this weapon's power zone will be torn completely apart. We have seen numerous amputations that we suspect have been caused by this."
This is exactly what I was afraid of. A new class of super weapons is on the horizon. Super weapons that skirt the definitions of all established arms control treaties. Technology is amoral. I fear it's continued military developement.
But far beyond and above all, I fear that the US and Israel's use of these weapons in Iraq and Palestine has an ulterior 'dark side' motive. The motive I believe is to send a message, a warning shot, who's significance is directed at Russia, China, and Iran. Have no doubt about it, the Neocon regime has instigated a new Cold War. Cold Hot War Part II.
Albert Einstein was truly prophetic, "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Here's a link to the only goddamn reason why the US supports Israel. The list is a bit outdated, but the criminals are still active in neocon think tanks and will be until we take them out.
http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
Massive anti israel demonstations tomorrow all over the world, including israel. It's getting very ugly if you're a zionist-neocon. They are on notice.
Well, they're fighting back now on the internet. If you haven't seen this yet, it might be quite informative. These hasbara people are already here.
Hasbara Spam Alert
From the link:
The hasbara brigade strikes again! You always hear about Israeli attempts at media manipulation. Everyone knows it's going on but usually the process happens through cyber insurgents like those involved with Giyus (and its media monitoring software, Megaphone). Now, we know that the Israeli foreign ministry itself is orchestrating propaganda efforts designed to flood news websites with pro-Israel arguments and information.
A reader of my blog has received the following email which documents both the efforts and the agency that originated them. The solicitation to become a pro-Israel "media volunteer" also includes a list of media links which the ministry would like addressed by pro-Israel comments:
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Dear friends,
We hold the [sic] military supremacy, yet fail the battle over the international media. We need to buy time for the IDF to succeed, and the least we can do is spare some (additional) minutes on the net. The ministry of foreign affairs is putting great efforts in balancing the media, but we all know it's a battle of numbers. The more we post, blog, talkback, vote – the more likely we gain positive sentiment.
I was asked by the ministry of foreign affairs to arrange a network of volunteers, who are willing to contribute to this effort. If you're up to it you will receive a daily messages & media package as well as targets.
If you wish to participate, please respond to this email.
[Snip]
[The following were identified as "target sites": the Times, the Guardian, Sky News, BBC, Yahoo!News, Huffington Post, and the Dutch Telegraaf. Also targeted were other media sites in Dutch, Spanish, German and French considered critical of the invasion.]
What can you do to help?
- Identify internet battle-grounds in different languages, and let me know
- Comment/post/vote in the listed links and others; you can use the material attached below
- Write letters to authors and editors. Identify yourself as a local resident
- Have your friends join this activity
....World governments are still patient with Israel's justified operation in Gaza. The [sic] public opinion, on the other hand, is impatient, to say the least. This gap will soon close – it always does.
It is our goal to shift the public opinion, as conveyed in the internet; avoiding, or at least minimising, sanctions by world leaders. We need to buy the IDF enough time to achieve its goals.
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So the Israeli government believes it will succeed once again at convincing stupid Americans that what they are doing is fine no matter what they do, like using white phosphorus against civilians, which is a war crime.
What Israel does not understand is the depth of US citizens' anger about illegal invasions and attacks after suffering for 8 years under the warmonger, GW Bush, and his illegal war against Iraq. Israel's efforts to whitewash its war crimes will backfire with the internet community this time.
Anney,
Yes, and they are out in full force all over the internet. They all have the same talking points and they like to make very crude personal attacks. Check out Bom_Chad near the top. We are suppose to have sympathy now and gratitude towards the Israeli's for apparently having the "moral" foresight to use more expensive bombs...to apparently not hurt the civilians!!!!
Yes, here, digg, flickr, informationclearinghouse, anywhere that dares questions Israel's well documented war crimes.
On digg.com they tell very crude Rachel Corrie "pancake" jokes to try to bait people to say "anti Semitic" things and then get them banned from the forums. It's very vile and I fear a backlash against innocent Jews from these disgusting actions by Zionists in Israel and the small minority of very vocal pro Zionists bullies like "blutodog" and "goose4" in the U.S. and other places.
The shell is not defined as an incendiary weapon by the Third Protocol to the Convention on Conventional Weapons because its principal use is to produce smoke to protect troops.
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It's pathetic, at best, that manunkind must devise Protocols to establish a legal foundation for the use of instruments of death and destruction.
Without bothering to google around for information on precisely who is responsible for establishing such dismal and wretched guidelines, it is reasonable to presume that these matters are worked out by civilized professional men and women working in appropriately comfortable and peaceful surroundings.
It's a cut-and-dried contractual or actuarial process, I'd think. I'm sure it's attended by high-ranking military personnel, and lobbyists from the vast Hydra of the armaments industry.
Not much chance they'd create standards and rules that would cut down the fun TOO much, though. I mean, they wouldn't think of classifying armaments by beginning with the POTENTIAL worst-case-scenario effect or result of its deployment on living beings, property and possession, and the environment.
That way, you'd wind up tying the hands of the vital white-phosphorous explosive delivery systems manufacturers, see? I got to thinking about this after asking myself the rather unsophisticated question, "Who the f**k makes up these insane, self-serving rules, anyway?"
And I conclude that all of these protocols, while incorporating seemingly positive values such as the obligation to "protect" the military meat puppets being sent out to Kill or Be Killed, manifestly are not developed for humane, compassionate purposes.
So my first answer to myself was, "Not people who are likely to support a benevolent variation of Cheney's One Percent Doctrine, i.e. that if there's even a ONE PERCENT CHANCE that your Approved Phosphorous 'Smoke' Bomb deployment will cause phosphorus-related injury or damage or anything BUT 'smoke', it's classified as an 'incendiary weapon'".
So, like bombing the UN school and the house full of terrified civilians and killing the UN truck driver, the WP use will be written off as just another Merry Mixup.
· Yr Obd't Servant
But it IS illegal to use it as a killing weapon against civilians, if not enemy military forces. Its permitted use in civilian areas is only for wide-area illumination -- it makes pretty lights in the sky.
I appreciate the clarification.
My point may have gotten lost in my wordiness, not for the first time.
I was musing upon the absurdity that "civilized" governments and nations cooperate to establish Protocols, laws, and standards for the proper use of viciously lethal weaponry. So that indeed, there seems to be at least an ATTEMPT to control the use of certain weapons that may result in the wanton destruction of non-combatant lives and environment.
But in practice, such weapons CAN be deployed with impunity, even if such use causes results that utterly violate the spirit of such laws. Put plainly: Israel (let's say) deploys WP munitions, and either denies doing so, or claims that such use conforms to existing protocols. Afterwards (let's say), it is discovered that apparently civilians have been injured or killed by these hellish devices.
The accusation is then made that Israel (let's say) has committed a war crime. This precipitates the usual two-prong public relations blitz of fervent denials coupled with assertions that the planners and perpetrators were careful to comply meticulously with the protocols defining legal and appropriate use of the weapon. Israel's official spokespersons (let's say) will certainly unequivocally deny any conscious intention to target civilians or purposely violate binding protocols.
Eventually the contretemps circles the drain and disappears into the Memory Hole. Perhaps some NGO or government committee investigates and issues a report months later confirming evidence of inappropriate use that may be fairly considered illegal. By then everyone has "moved on"-- as I often write, the event becomes another passing Merry Mixup in the dustbin of history.
Thus, my cynical conclusion that these solemn and weighty Protocols are simply elaborated fig leaves designed to provide the appearance of enlightened, humane standards, while permitting enough wiggle room to allow the military/industrial sacred cow plenty of room to graze.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Israel could care less and Israel has taught the US Military not to care less !!!!
Their Military compete in their ability to use Cluster Bombs , Depleted Uranium , White Phospherous ,Bunker Buster Bombs. A competition to see who has the better Killing Machine.
It is a War against Islam 23% of the World's population by the USA on behalf of Israel !!!!
Tiny Israel only about the size of New Jersey even though it is the 4th strongest Military in the World could not attack and kill Muslims at will without the green light from the USA.
Jews = 0.02% of the World's population (14 Million)
Jews = 2.5% of the American Population.
Islam = 23% of the Worlds Population
Can anyone imagine a country with 20% of its population friendly with its neighbors in the country "next door" (Lebanon)and friendly with fellow Arabs in Gaza openly setting out to destroy that country next door & and then Gaza .
Israel's succeeded in its aim in Lebanon to set it back 40 years by attacking its people & destroying its infrastructure & spreading Depleted Uranium & leaving Cluster Bombs etc etc all with America's supplying the permission the bombs and of course --- paying for it all.
Gaza is a repeat performance of Lebanon again with 100% American backing + $$$.
Again Jews comprise only about 0.02% of the human race and 2.5% of the US population and yet these Jews and their "Poster Child" Israel are successfully thumbing its nose to the Human Race and holding the world to ransom. !!!!!!
It is not a war.------------------ It is murder.
Zieg Heil ---- Israel Uber Alles !
http://wake-up-america.net/ !!!!!
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
http://nowarforisrael.com/
US did use Phosphorus bombs in Fallujah. Pictures may still be available on Dahr Jamails website, "Mideast Dispatches" Not for the faint of heart. Abu Gharib was another lesson learned from Israli methods of torture.
Comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable
Did Hitler know something way back then the rest of us never knew?
That scapegoats that you can blame everything on are handy to score political points and excusing one's actions? Seems that a few nations have taken that lesson to heart.
Did Hitler know about Naomi Klein and Avi Lewis - I think not. But they know about him and do not wish for Israel to keep repeating his mistakes.
Not all Jews think alike. Not all Germans think alike. Not all men think alike.
,,,or the Romans of Judea in the 1st and 2nd Century?
Sickening racism. This can only be done when the civilian population has been dehumanized. Israel will have to answer to war crimes, hopefully in Nuremberg.
Gee, Israel is only using tactics involving WP that were honed by the United States Marine Corps in Falluja!!!!!
But I could be wrong ! - In this case I am not.
Many Marines I know turned in their medals over that exercise as well as scraping USMC decals from their cars!!!
That is really interesting. I hope to hear their accounts of what they were ordered to do some day. Before the MIC silences them.
Serena: Sorry about my reference to "America". I meant the U.S. My egocentricity is showing, typically American, I suppose. I usually think of America as being the U.S., not including Canada or Mexico. They would be North America to me. And then Central and South America. I'm glad to see the Canadian involvement on this site. I don't know what foreign aid the Canadian government gives to Israel, but the U.S. involvement is in the billions, including U.S. weaponry of the most hideous sort. I had read of the U.S. use of WP in Iraq too.
"I usually think of America as being the U.S"
Thasts because 99% of the world thinks the same thing.
This kind of argument is on the same level with trying to prove it wasn't Noah that built the Ark it was another jew by the same name.
Wrong again, TM!
This is a serious issue--not trivial drivel like what you apparently hold dear.
No country south of the border--not even paramilitary Colombia--supports the genocide in Occupied Palestine.
And nobody south of the border wants to be smeared with Gringolandia's crimes. We have been its victims often enough, thank you very much.
Thanks for your kind comment!
The USA Mil Units which used white phosphorous on Fallujah are now where?
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
No biggie. Bone stops it.
Deepa
US accused Saddam Hussain of using chemical and biological weapons. Ironically, US and Israel are the ones who used chemical weapons in Iraq and Palestine respectively.
It has been reported that the US has used chemical weapons in Iraq. In the March of 2005 edition of Field Artillery, a magazine published by the US Army, officers from the 2nd Infantry’s Fire Support Element boasted about their role in the attack on Falluja in November of 2004: "WP (White Phosphorus) proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE (high explosive). We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out."
The usage of white phosphorus by the US on the people was confirmed by a reporter embedded with the Marines in the April of 2004 siege of Falluja. This reporter narrated: "'Gun up!' Millikin yelled ... grabbing a white phosphorus round from a nearby ammo can and holding it over the tube. 'Fire!' Bogert yelled, as Millikin dropped it. The boom kicked dust around the pit as they ran through the drill again and again, sending a mixture of burning white phosphorus and high explosives they call 'shake'n'bake' into... buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week."
White phosphorus can be legally used to illuminate the battlefield or to produce smoke screen to hide troop movements from the enemy. It is not listed in the schedules of the Chemical Weapons Convention. Like other unlisted substances, it may be deployed for "Military purposes... not dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare." However, it becomes a chemical weapon as soon as it is used directly against people. A chemical weapon can be "any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm".
After denying it at first, the Pentagon admitted in November of 2005 that white phosphorous was used in Fallujah. In addition, depleted uranium munitions, which contain low-level radioactive waste, were used heavily in Fallujah. The Pentagon admitted to having used 1200 tons of depleted uranium in Iraq. The effect of the usage of this “special weaponry” by the US is showing on babies born in Fallujah. Many thousands of illnesses, deformities and deaths among infants are reported. What G.W. Bush accused Saddam in his State of the Union address in January 28, 2003, – “The dictator who is assembling the world’s most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages-leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind, or disfigured” – Bush himself is doing to the people of Iraq. Now Israel is using the US supplied chemical weapons on innocent children, women and men.
The impossible horror of the Depleted Uranium munitions will be the most lasting legacy of the Bush junta. Senior and Junior.
Plus Clinton. Also.
Now doubt about American weaponry, is there? I mean if you want to find the most horrific weapons just contact America. They usually sell them but in the case of Israel they give them away free of charge.
Yes, those Palestinian civilians that are suffering from hideous burns should know that the good old U.S. of A. made the phosphorous munitions which the IDF are using against them in Gaza.
Of course, it could be argued that, by association, America is also guilty of IDF war crimes. I mean, it's supplying most of the weapons: the bombs, the missiles, the fighter jets, the Apache helicopters, the drones, the sophisticated spy technology, etc.
It could be argued that America, by supporting Israel in every way possible, is an Israeli accomplice!
America and Israel: the genocide twins!
I've said much more on my blog.
www.dangerouscreation.com
There's no argument. The USA is cobelligernet with Israel and equally responsible for ALL crimes committed there. This was just validated by the Imperial Senate. As I outlined the other day, ALL US citizens are terrorits because we fund the apparati of State Terrorism--US and Israeli, as well as others elsewhere. It's virtually impossible for a US citizen and non-citizens within its Empire to ensure no monies go to the Imperial government through taxation--not just income taxes. A mighty stream of monies would cease, however, if dierct taxation of income was stopped by the citizenry.
David,
check out www.whatreallyhappened.com for todays date.
He has a video interview a short scroll down with Peter Schiff. Very good,
and I'm not being off topic because after you listen you will see that
soon the U.S. will not be able to afford their Military (and Victim Israel will not have its cash-cow). So, lets hope what Schiff says happens very soon. He has been called a doom sayer by all the Mainstream media economists....But, since 2003 he was saying exactly what is happening was going to happen.
The Jew-Zionists have appearance of being strong, but they are getting weaker.
I am listening right now to another Jewish-Zionist Congressmen from California (on c-span) Brad Sherman. Wow, this guy is pushing the most blatant form of propaganda and HATE speach against the Palestinians. He, as well as most Congressmen, are the most rabid racists on earth (along with their Israeli counterparts)....and they are really anti-semitic. I'm going to get a set of the transcript and then write to him ALSO. I am so tired of writing but its the only means I have.
PS: Nice site you have.
Oooh, look at me! I'm incensed by Israeli war crimes and atrocities and I'm going to fight against this horror by making breast beating posts on liberal websites, after which I'll turn on the cable and stuff junk food into my mouth until I pass out like a peaceful lump of lard with eyes.
Ladies, what happened? Have your ovaries been stolen by aliens?
Gents: Was your doctor unable to reattach your testicles?
But if some of you really want to charge someone with war crimes, all you have to do is send a copy of the Nuremberg Principles to yourself. Problem solved. If you have any other issues you need resolved, just let me know. I'll be happy to serve up everything you've got coming.
Where do I redirect my Federal Income Taxes in order to, as a conscientious citizen, begin modest reparations payments instead of being forced to buy even one more of these execreble weapons ? Thank you for your response.
Rather than the breast thing, may I suggest passing this article around to people you know? The links to other sources of info should be brought to the attention of your government representative ASAP as well, and if you live in a centre which has an Israeli embassy or consulate go picket and protest. And when all that has been done have nothing to do with that rogue regime, no truck, no trade.
You might also want to consult with a dietitian?
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
Finally a little humor on this one.
We take ourselves so tediously, and we think we are gonna change the world.... maybe we are!
thanks, reminds me of the Yippie Days of Feardom.
tediously, I like it.
Actually 'archy Station, the web is driving a world-wide collective consciousness about the Pogroms on the West Bank, Israel's Genocidal Government, the Ethnic Cleansing and the MURDER, 1/3 of the dead are children in Gaza while Israeli's watch and laugh. And see I learned that this morning when I looked at the worst Butchery, in Pictures, I have ever seen, here on this liberal web-site.
But HERE is the Punchline 'archy!' I've shown those pictures of decapitated babies, shredded woman and burnt children to a several friends. And changed their attitudes about Israel, FOREVER. They vote too! And I've sent the pictures to others! And I will for years. Folks I meet on line, maybe you.
Your ugly mouth is perfect too. You show up after the Gaza killing started? Haha, you are transparent.
To EVERYBODY-The pictures are posted by gracefulswan at 7:04 a.m. this morning on the thread under U.S Congress Gives Unwavering Support For Israel.
These are the hardest hitting pictures I've ever seen. They are required viewing-THIS is a HOLOCAUST.
archy, You are implying that everyone is complicit in war crimes, primarily, I assume, by their inaction's or by actions that inadvertently support the war machine. A forum like this has allowed many, including myself, to become more informed about issues I may never had been aware of. I agree with you that many seem to rant on about the same old issues without offering anything useful and others seem to like to see their vapid words in print, but many are sincere and are seriously attempting to inform and to offer insight into complex issues.
The more educated we become the less the ruling elite can manipulate their narrow agenda and keep their grip an the unenlightened.
What is it you are doing?
Many of us are singing and circulating petitions and going to demonstrations as well. And what does your empty sarcasm on behalf of neo-con endorsed war crimes accomplish? Oh right right Less then Zero, the same amount of ethics and conscience you posses. How is your soick portfolio doing neo-con asshole? Did those neo-conservative economic policies treat you well or are you going to have to work until you drop because of the glory of Bush?
This morning the Congress passed Resolution 34: "Recognizing Israel's right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza, reaffirming the United States strong support for Israel, and supporting the Israeli-Palestinian peace process."
Here is a link to the text of this Resolution. Its very disturbing for those whom care for the Palestinian people:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.RES.34:
Also, this morning on C-span I saw the last 30 minutes of Congressmen on the House floor, mostly speaking in favor of Israel only. Some of this can be viewed here:
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77539&hors=h#
Of the Congressman I saw speak, and most of them very much in Racist manners towards everything in the Muslim world, only THREE out of the Thirteen Congressman I saw speak STOOD UP FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
The Rabid Pro-Israel speakers, who said many things that showed their Racism were:
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen: Florida (rabid racist supporter of Israel Terrorism)
Sheila Jackson Lee: Texas
Gary Ackerman: New York (explicitly rabid racist supporter of Israel's Terrorism)
Brad Sherman: California (He says "Hamas and ALL Islamists want to expel every Jew from the M.E"...he did not detail this with references)
Dana Rohrabacker: California (Rabid Racist Pro-Israel and Anti-Arab)
Eliot Engel: New York (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerGuest.jhtml?itemNo=695955 "There would be a gravely dangerous situation if Iran developed nuclear weapons. Iran would be able to blackmail the United States and threaten Israel, not to mention reach much of Europe with its long range missiles.")
THIS SOUNDS JUST LIKE WHAT ISRAEL DOES!!!! WHO IS ELIOT ENGEL FOOLING...obviously most Americans.
Ed Royce: California (another rabid defender of the terrorism policy of Israel)
Mike Pence: Indiana (Mike wants to "protect the Jewish-State of Israel")
Steny Hoyer: Maryland (staunch supporter of Israel ONLY)
Doug Lamborn: Colorado (Supports Israel's right to defend itself...a.k.a. supports the terror activities of Israel.
THE THREE THAT DID NOT SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION:
Dennis Kucinich: Ohio (spoke about specific atrocities committed by Israel)
Keith Ellison: Minnesota ("Will not support the resolution". Keith is first Muslim Congressman)
Nick Rahall: West Virginia (said "This was planned 6 months ago")
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IS OFFICIALLY SANCTIONING THE GENOCIDE AND ETHNIC CLEANSING THAT ISRAEL IS DOING AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS.
But this is not surprising as the U.S. has been doing the same thing these last eight years.
How did this happen? Exactly what is the hold Israel has over them? Just look at the lot, disgusting.
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
Yep, thanks to the folks you voted for, Israel gave the finger to UN Security Council Resolution 1860 that was passed yesterday with 14 out of 15 votes--Gringos abstained--and started attacking 50 targets in Gaza at 4 am this morning.
Serena,
enough with the "Gringo" thing already... it is primarily used as a derogatory term...
it obfuscates the real issue and causes folks to not take your comments seriously...
Do you know where the term 'Gringo" comes from?... (and no, not "green means go" at the border crossing...
Gringo is from the Castillo root word that means "unintelligible gibberish"...
By using this term, you are painting all USAans with a broad brush... or are you only referring to our unelected govt officials by saying "gringo"?... or just caucasians?
Where did you emigrate to Mexico from?... Would that make you a "Gringa"?
another racist gringo troll ignored
What do you mean by "Gringo"?
How am I racist?
How are you ignoring my post by replying to it?
Serena,
Yes, The American people keep voting for these criminals, which makes them DIRECTLY responsible for the outcomes. I personally did not vote for any of the Senators nor the Representative of my county....THis, however, still does not let me off the hook. Whether we vote for these people or not we have to do what we can to oppose it.
The US people--not the American people, please.
The rest of America doesn't deserve to be smeared with the guilt of gringo terrorism.
Thank you for your attention to this important matter.
Certainly. correction to all my posts...should read citizens in what is claimed to be the U.S.
Unfortunately, Serena, Non-"Gringo's" share the responsibility as they too are voting these people into office, fighting in the illegal invasions, buying and selling and overall consuming like everyone else. I'm afraid if someone wants out of the "blame" for the collective human guilt, they need to immigrate to Mars.
It's quite tragic that the Palestinians have brought this upon themselves, but they clearly are responsible for it and have no one to blame but themselves. It'll end once they admit defeat and recognize Israel. Or it can continue. But it's up to the Palestinians. Engaging in anti-Semitism isn't going to help or change things. Blaming Israel is kind of absurd at this point.
Oh poor sweet little beleaugured Israel. Oh they are so persecuted. NOT!
So if your kid shoots a rock through my window I can mow down your entire neighborhood with a truck mounted 50 caliber machine gun, sow land mines with cluster bombs dropped from a jet, and spray the fleeing survivors with white phosphorus and block rescues efforts with a bull dozer? I'll keep that in mind asshole.
After all there is nothing wrong with disproportionate response in your eyes right MikeP. Oh you meant ONLY disproportionate response against brown people when you want to steal their land, very well then, excuse me while I call you a hypocrite then, OK?
p.s. Did you get your talking points here:
http://www.jcrcboston.org/focus/support/resources/israel-advocacy-talking.html
Or the hasbara book MikeP:
http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf
Bonus points for telling the truth about the origin of your stale talking points, mechanically repeated showing you to be a zombie without conscience.
It takes both sides to make peace and both sides share the blame like we all share the responsibility to end war.
Its quite tragic the Jews brought about the WWII holocaust upon themselves, but they are clearly responsible for it and have no one to blame but themselves. Their self-inflicted Victimhood will end once they admit they illegally stole PALESTINE for themselves and admit their policy of ethnic cleansing towards the Palestinian people. Or their arogance can continue and they continue with their Terrorist activities. The Zionist-Jew that engages in anti-Semitism against Palestinians isn't going to change things. Blaming the Palestinians is kind of absurd at this point.
catherine
None of that makes sense.
I was making a response to Mikep's comment. I just turned around what he said and applied it from the other point of view.
Only to you.
It does not make sense to me either. Could someone educate me?
Educate? I think that's up to the school system to do that.
Israel--a killer country!
But there is still time to go to rehab and:
Open the gates surrounding the outdoor prison that is now Gaza. A UN force needs to be placed between the warring parties that will monitor the peace. Israel needs to tell the Palestinians flat-out that they guarantee a Palestinian state and proceed to negotiate with them on that basis. It seems that there are many versions of a two-state solution that are fair to both sides—the Clinton Parameters, The Arab League’s peace proposals, etc. Surely something could be cobbled together that brings peace and stability to the region and thereby avoids the unfolding disaster.
Dr Wu, the last of the big-time thinkers
Israeli monsters on the earth. American enablers. This is unconscionable. Israel is commiting genocide on the Palestinians. The U.S. Senate and Torturer in Chief Bush are cheering them on. All sounds proper and justified, thanks to the U.S. mainstream media. Makes you ashamed to be a human being.
AMERICAN enablers, no.
America includes a lot of other countries in this hemisphere beside the US--and ALL of them have come out against the genocidal zionists.
The US abstained in the Security Council vote yesterday that requires the withdrawal of Israeli troops and a cease fire. ALL the other countries voted for the resolution.
Please so not smear gringo culpability on the rest of America.
Thanks.
Who supplied the WP rounds to the Israelis?
You missed the point entirely Chet Serena is saying don't smear Canada and Latin American countries with U.S. only crimes on this continent.
I, on the other hand, say that Harper and Iggy SHOULD be held accountable for their support of Israel's war crimes.
I don't think Uribe has denounced the Zionist criminals either.
I know that the Palestine community in Colombia has actively protested.
Uribe is probably too intent on trying to get his hands on more of your tax dollars to rock the boat.
Using chemical weapons is a war crime. White Phosphorous is a chemical weapon. Claiming that you were only dropping it as a smoke screen over the most densely populated stretch of land on the planet only shows that you are attempting to manage public opinion while being fully cognizant that you have infact committed a war crime. CASE CLOSED.
I've taken your argument one step further and argued that ALL weapons are chemical; otherwise, they could not physically exist. Therefore, ALL weapons are illegal.