In Obama’s Team, 2 Camps on Climate
WASHINGTON - In the fall of 1997, when the Clinton administration was forming its position for the Kyoto climate treaty talks, Lawrence H. Summers argued that the United States would risk damaging the domestic economy if it set overly ambitious goals for reducing carbon emissions.
Mr. Summers, then the deputy Treasury secretary, said at the time that there was a compelling scientific case for action on global warming but that a too-rapid move against emissions of greenhouse gases risked dire and unknowable economic consequences.
His view prevailed over those of officials arguing for tougher standards, among them Carol M. Browner, then the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, and her mentor, Al Gore, then the vice president.
Today, as the climate-change debate once again heats up, Mr. Summers leads the economic team of the incoming administration, and Ms. Browner has been designated its White House coordinator of energy and climate policy. And Mr. Gore is hovering as an informal adviser to President-elect Barack Obama.
As Mr. Obama seeks to find the right balance between his environmental goals and his plans to revive the economy, he may have to resolve conflicting views among some of his top advisers.
While Mr. Summers's thinking on climate change has evolved over the last decade, his views on the potential risks to the economy of an aggressive effort to limit carbon emissions have not. But he now works for a president-elect who has set ambitious goals for addressing global warming through a government-run cap-and-trade system.
It may once again prove to be Mr. Summers's role to inject a rigorous economist's reality check into the debate over the scope and speed of an attack on global warming.
According to a transition official familiar with Mr. Summers's thinking, he is wary of moving very quickly on a carbon cap, because doing so could raise energy costs, kill jobs and deepen the current recession. He foresees a phase-in of several years for any carbon restraint regime, particularly if the economy continues to be sluggish, a slower timetable than many lawmakers and environmentalists are pressing.
Mr. Summers and Peter R. Orszag, the economist whom Mr. Obama has designated director of the White House budget office, have both argued that a tax on carbon emissions from burning gasoline, coal and other fuels might be a more economically efficient means of regulating pollutants than a cap-and-trade system, under which an absolute ceiling on emissions is set and polluters are allowed to buy and sell permits to meet it.
But Mr. Obama and Ms. Browner have ruled out a straight carbon tax, perhaps mindful of the stinging political defeat the Clinton administration suffered in 1993 when, prodded by Mr. Gore, it proposed one.
Mr. Obama was asked in a television interview last month whether he would consider imposing a stiff tax on gasoline, whose price has now fallen to below $2 a gallon after cresting above $4 a gallon last summer.
He replied that while American families were getting some relief at the pump, they were hurting in other ways, through rising unemployment and falling home values. "So putting additional burdens on American families right now, I think, is a mistake," he said.
At least for the present, then, the idea of a carbon tax has been shelved, and Mr. Obama's economic and environmental advisers are working, along with Congress, to devise a cap-and-trade system.
But difficult debates lie ahead within the White House, between the White House and Congress, and within the Democratic Party, whose deep divisions on climate change break down along ideological and geographical lines.
The fight in November between two Democrats, Representatives John D. Dingell of Michigan and Henry A. Waxman of California, for the chairmanship of the House Energy and Commerce Committee was a preview. It pitted lawmakers from auto- and coal-producing states against liberal lawmakers from California and the East Coast, Blue Dog fiscal conservatives against environmentalists, pro-business moderates against regulatory activists. Mr. Waxman, with the tacit support of the Obama camp and Speaker Nancy Pelosi, won, but narrowly.
That was just a taste of the broader and potentially more bitter fight over global warming and energy legislation, which will have profound implications for the American economy, the environment and foreign policy.
Both sides - those seeking strict enforcement of emissions limits and those concerned about higher energy costs and potential job losses - will find receptive ears in the new White House, Obama aides and outside analysts said.
"There is a diversity of opinion among Democrats over the best way to contain costs associated with a climate change plan," said Scott Segal, a utility lobbyist in Washington, who cited rival approaches pushed by Senator Barbara Boxer of California, chairwoman of the Environment and Public Works Committee, and Senator Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
"I think there is room within the current range of administration advisers to accommodate all those points of view," Mr. Segal said.
The Obama transition did not make Ms. Browner or Mr. Summers available for on-the-record interviews. A spokesman, Nick Shapiro, said that Mr. Obama had appointed advisers with differing views but that ultimately he would set policy.
"At the end of the day," Mr. Shapiro said in an e-mail statement, "the advisers will be charged with implementing President-elect Obama's strong targets that set us on a course to reduce emissions to their 1990 levels by 2020 and reduce them an additional 80 percent by 2050. However, the president-elect appointed a cabinet with diverse views and looks forward to strong debate within the cabinet on how best to achieve those outcomes."
Emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases by the United States in 2007 were about 15 percent above 1990's level, according to the Department of Energy.
In past public statements and writings, Ms. Browner and Mr. Summers have wrestled with the difficult choices posed by global warming and at times have come to different conclusions on how to minimize the impact on the economy.
Ms. Browner has been a forceful advocate for strict carbon limits for years and has said that a comprehensive cap-and-trade system is the best way to achieve swift and certain reductions in emissions. She has said that the plan could include flexibility for carbon-emitting businesses by allowing them to bank and borrow permits, but she has not supported setting a maximum price or "safety valve" cost in case permits become prohibitively expensive, as Mr. Summers and Mr. Orszag have.
She has urged Congress to take up the issue quickly in the new year. In September, in testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee, Ms. Browner pointedly noted that the Supreme Court had given the E.P.A. authority to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act. She implied that if Mr. Obama was elected, the new administration might unilaterally seek to curb carbon emissions should Congress not act.
"Given the magnitude of the problem, and the scale of the solution required," she said, "I believe it is important that Congress provide national leadership on this issue."
Mr. Summers believes a cap-and-trade program can be a workable solution, provided it includes some sort of escape clause if prices rise too quickly, according to several articles he has written in the past two years. He has also expressed a belief that developing nations must also adhere to carbon limits, or manufacturing jobs will migrate to countries without them.
In a forum at the Brookings Institution a year ago, Mr. Summers said the current moment on climate change was analogous to that on health care in 1992: Everyone agreed that the current system was unsustainable, but there was less agreement on how to address the complexities and costs. There was a general expectation that with the inauguration of a new Democratic president, something would be done.
"In the end," Mr. Summers said, "what everyone agreed needed to happen didn't happen in 1993."
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Show AllIn 2001, in the landmark court case Coleman-Adebayo v. Browner, Carol M. Browner and the agency she administered, the EPA, were found guilty of race, color, and sex-based discrimination as well as tolerating a hostile work environment. The case provided the impetus for the passage (unanimous in both chambers) of the No FEAR Act (Notification of Federal Employees Anti-discrimination and Retaliation) that was signed into law by President George W. Bush. The law was heralded as the first civil rights law of the 21st century. Study of Coleman-Adebayo v. Browner is now mandated study for all new Federal employees within 90 days of their being hired, and every 2 years for all Federal employees. The extent of the racism and retaliation within Ms. Browner's EPA was so pervasive that Congress and the Executive required study of it as the penultimate example of what was WRONG with government. When asked in Congressional hearings whether she accepted the judgement of the jury, Ms. Browner said she did.
The question for Mr. Obama, is: Given her unrepentant position on the deplorable conditions she oversaw at EPA, how is Carol Browner qualified to hold administrative position again?
The question for Mr. Broder and the NY Times is: How can you write a story about Carol Browner without referencing Coleman-Adebayo v. Browner?
I saw that as well, the glacier thing. In a climate sense tho, they are very new. They will be back.
Thanks for the link. I read it, but am too tired to analyze it but will do so in the near future.
If common dreams doesn't have another article about warming in the near future, come back to this one and I will let ya know what I deciphered from the link.
Talk to ya later bbr
Prof Hansen has an agenda and his credibility is somewhat low anymore. That is a sad truth.
And of course......as my mind starts to home in on this. Ever heard of Beer-Lambert law? It has to do with fluids and gases.
co2 can only reflect so much heat....no matter if it is 400ppm...or 4,000 pmm. There is a saturation point.
NOAA has an annual index of forcing caused only by the GHG's man is adding to the atmosphere. Its based on actual measurements of gas concentrations.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/
While channel surfing during the Eagles/Vikes game commercials, ABC News had a spot about no more glaciers in Glacier National Park.
The Chilling Stars. In the book, the modern Galileo, for he is nothing less, establishes that cosmic rays from deep space seed clouds over Earth’s oceans. Regulating the number of cosmic rays reaching Earth’s atmosphere is the solar wind; when it is strong, we get fewer cosmic rays. When it is weak, we get more. As NASA has corroborated, the number of cosmic rays passing through our atmosphere is at the maximum level since measurements have been taken, and show no signs of diminishing. The result: the seeding of what some have taken to calling “Svensmark clouds,” low dense clouds, principally over the oceans, that reflect sunlight back to space before it can have its warming effect on whatever is below.
Svensmark has proven, in the minds of most who have given his work a full hearing, that it is this very process that produced the episodes of cooling (and, inversely, warming) of our own era and past eras. The clearest instance of the process, by far, is that of the Maunder Minimum, which refers to a period from 1650 to 1700, during which the Sun had not a single spot on its face. Temperatures around the globe plummeted, with quite adverse effects: crop failures (remember the witch burnings in Europe and Massachusetts?), famine, and societal stress.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/23sep_solarwind.htm
I knew I had read about this a few years ago, just had a hard time remembering.
OF course, everyone thought I was nuts then, prob still do. But take a look at the trends now......read the url and message......and go from there.
Folks, we are in for a very veryyyyyyyy bumpy ride.
theinitiate
bbr-001 You say that Hansen is pro-Nuclear energy? WoW If that's true -that's horrible. Ya know, the reason people think in those terms is because they are afraid. Of what, you may ask- afraid of having to deal with life with no or not enough electric to go around. In other words, to me, it seems the only solution is to go backwards. If we have to live without it and rough it to some extent for a while- until we have developed the truly green economy- then so be it. (Some should get it like hospitals etc. )It sure beats cooking the planet. As I see it, using nuclear will do the same thing -cookit.
If you think- from mining to waste, the shit is not acceptable. Who will they get to mine it? -the poorest people in the world. They're already doing that in the Congo. I read a bit on how they used the Hopi(?) native amerians back in the 50's to mine it before. I ASK, ANYONE WHO IS PRO-NUKE, YOU GO DO THE MING FOR 5 YEARS, LET'S SEE HOW PRO YOU ARE WITH THAT REQUIREMENT...
Hansen doesn't promote nuclear as now practiced, and that includes mining and waste disposal. When I try to explain my understanding of nuclear energy developments, it usually starts a barrage of knee jerk comments. Please read his recent open letter to Obama:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20081229_Obama_revised.pdf
His website is:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/
bbr:
I am sure it is...and it is driving me nuts as well. I have to make cropping decissions in the next few weeks. With what I know now, I will have to go with cool season type crops even tho it will be a break even thing at best.
Our average December temp here was 5.9F below the 20 year average. Our November average was also way down there. That is when I started looking closer at global averages again. What I found surprised me, as that is not what the media had been reporting. Sure, there were blips here and there that indicated cooling, but I more or less ignored them as not being reliable. Well, turns out those blips were more reliable than I had thought.
I just am not comfortable with the major shifts in the oceans, the suns strength going down etc. That is where I found some research that indicates the sun's magnetic fields, in and off themselves, seems to have an effect on climate. Thinking about that isn't really surprising, but there seems to be very little research on that. Much more on the co2, but little on much else.
As I have said, there is a lot to climate that we don't know nor understand yet that is at play.
Why is the so-called infrastructure of our country in shambles? One cursory look at Western Europe tells us why: the users of the infrastructure of the USA do not pay enough to maintain it. You can "repair" our infrastructure as much as you want but if you do not increase the "user tax" of the infrastructure it will fall apart again in time.
It is time to declare all major roads, railroad track, bridges, tunnels, etc. "national capital" (Karl Marx would agree because "infrastructure" is usually public capital)and maintain it permanently with an adequate "user tax" exclusively for that purpose. Building roads, bridges and airports in Iraq or Afghanistan will not be allowed.
I think that, for example, raising the tax on gasoline for this purpose should trump "cap-and-trade" or "carbon tax".
It is also necessary that these funds be kept in a special "lock box" and that a vigilant oversight is done that it is not used to buy political favors.
If that is impossible, then there will be repeated trillion dollar outlays to repair the renewed defects of "infrastructure" say every fifty years or even less.
Another typical Obama apointee. They'll work to save the planet, but only if they can have capitalism. Otherwise, we can all just live under the bombing pattern.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/23sep_solarwind.htm
Take a read of this. As I have said, infant science. And water vapour is by far the most important green house gas.
Cycle 24's slow start must be driving the NOAA guys nuts.
bbr:
The wild card in the ganging up is the sun. IF it doesn't exit its quiet state, I don't see how we are going to warm at all for at least 40 years. The trend has changed, and that is not good.
bbr:
The lowering of the ph of the ocean is by itself a very important reason to reduce as much as possible the emmission of co2.
As far as the coming back with a vengence....we will see. Water vapor makes co2, as a green house gas, seem like a speck of dust on an elephant. At this time water vapor intensity is not well understood. The models right now seem to keep this rather static, which water vapor is not.
As I have said, infant science, and I am much more alarmed about the potential cooling coming than the warming predicted.
At least you aren't a "total flat-earther".
Siggy: Hadley actually admits to a possible delay in warming as the PDO, ENSO and Atlantic DO cycles are going to gang up on GHG induced change for a few years. BUT they say GHG will come back with a vengeance in 5 years or so. Hansen is still confident we'll see some record setting hot years before the end of Obama's first term. We'll see.
BTW: You didn't have anything to write on the ocean acidification thread. Time to dust off your carbonate buffer/CaCO3 chemistry. http://coralreefwatch.noaa.gov/satellite/oa/description/oaps_intro_oa.html
Alice: You should be aware that Hansen and a number of climate change experts advocate nuclear as part of the solution. Your knee jerk litmus test is inadequate.
Pan
Dollars or extinction anyone ,time for balance Exxon Valdez at your service.
Summers failed to see that developing green technologies would become a growth industry in which the US could have led the world to its economic benefit. Intelligent he may be, but visionary or innovative he definitely isn't. His colossal ego doesn't make up for his abysmal judgment.
Alex
theinitiate
Imagine a scale
The economy ----- The climate
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
I am laughing.......didn't know if you would catch that webwalk. You are SHARP.
As far as emmiting areosols into the atmosphere to combat global cooling, that makes about as much sense as to emmit polution to try and combat warming. There is still so much that we don't know as to cause and effect it isn't funny.
I would oppose any of those hair brained schemes.
As far as climate change, you will have to grant that Dr. Christy is right in that. The climate on earth has never been stagnate, nor will it ever be stagnate. All signs point to an emminent cooling trend. Historically, it would be about right on schedule.
Does this mean we shouldn't quicky pursue alternative energy sources? In forceful terms......NO! To burn a finite resource that has many practical uses other than energy is pure stupidity. When blessed with abundant wind/solar....not to use what God has given us is pure hypocracy.
Take a look at the actual credentials of those 30 people who put out the IPPC report. Pretty pathetic. OR better yet, actually take the time to read the whole report. It has taken me almost a year, and in reading it, it appears that the science is not quit as realiable as some would wish.
Studying weather to the degree that we can now is an infant science. Lots to be learned.
I will say this:
IF the masses examined the actual data sets, and threw politics aside, there would be mass protests that the deception has been allowed to prevail this long.
And by data sets, I mean true data sets, not models.
You realize of course the magnitude of the consequences if you are wrong right?
We are on our way to the sixth major mass extinction in the earth's history. Models are not 100% accurate, and I will be the first to acknowledge that. Actually, there is one very easy way to see how accurate models are. Input temperatures from say, 50-100 years ago at the first half of the 20th century. Then input the amount of greenhouse gas generated. See how well the models can predict today's climate. Tests show that although imperfect, they are relatively precise.
However, seeing that you are unable to disprove models in any way, shape, or form, you are taking a very biased approach to this problem.
Even if you were right, it is very easy to reverse a dramatic cooling. We simply pump large amounts of methane, ammonia, and PFCs (and other greenhouse gases several orders of magnitude more potent than carbon dioxide) into our atmosphere. Not really a major problem. The question is how do you reverse warming?
You cannot. And there will be consequences to be paid. Technologies like artificial photosynthesis remain a dream. Clearly we need to change and to end our denial or suffer the consequences. Today you can deny that this is happening and the uneducated will not think less of you. In a few decades, denying climate change would be like denying that nuclear power was never invented ... just absurd.
The magnitude of the consequences if I am right far outweighs the magnitude of the consequences if I am wrong.
For ya see, we have been much warmer than we are now, and survived it in grand fashion. But the last time we had a mini ice age, civilization was set back 100's of years because of the starvation, disruption etc.
Warming has its problems, cooling has its problems. But cooling has wayyyyyyy more problems than warming.
webwalk:
I will admit it is a tough road to hoe, but someone has to do it.
Kinda like the NWS thermometer a few years ago. I would look at the temp on their site, and somehowwwww I was always colder. Called them up, asked if I could see where their sensor was located. Now......can you believe this????
IT was on the side of a building. Sheeeesh. I am a layman, and even I know that isn't going to be accurate.
Please provide evidence that Dr. Christy is funded by Exxon. I have looked at that and can't find anything, at least not on the net. Lots of assumptions, but no actual evidence.
This cooling trend is quit scary. I don't like how rapid it has happened one bit.
Indirect funding only:
Specifically regarding global climate disruption, Christy has taken speaker's and writer's fees from, and testified on behalf of, the Competitive Enterprise Institute and the CATO Foundation, both climate disruption deniers or apologists, both funded to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars by ExxonMobil.
Sorry for the overstatement on my part, from my cursory search it appears Christy has not taken research money directly from ExxonMobil. He keeps some shady company though.
(PS: "tough row to hoe" - it's a farming metaphor.)
rumiluv:
I agree 100% with you. We are entering a period of dramatic cooling and it isn't going to be fun at all.
Fairbanks is 39 degrees below average in temp..Europe is in the deep freeze, where I live December was 5.9 below average temp. Southern hemisphere is colder than long term averages......we are in for one badddddddddd ride!
Sig,
How did you get to be so amazingly brilliant?
You stand with climate disruption "skeptics" who remain unconvinced by reams of data and the statements of the vast majority of climate scientists, BUT:
You then state, based on statements from a few scientists like Christy (who is, i'm sure purely coincidentally, funded by ExxonnMobil) that you know - without any qualifiers - the Earth is "entering a period of dramatic cooling".
It must feel terrible to be in possession of such important knowledge, like Cassandra, cursed by God to see and say the truth but to be ignored and made fun of by the masses...
Reading the posts above, i must clarify, i refer to Cassandra from the Iliad, not cassandra who posts at Common Dreams...
IT IS THE 11TH HOUR, FIFTY-NINTH MINUTE, FIFTY-NINTH SECOND!
NO MORE TIME TO SCREW AROUND!!
Let me get this right:
You have Dr. Christy, who has credentials up the wazoo, stating facts, and because they don't fit with your perceptions, you choose to ignore those facts?
Shaking head.....you have to be kidding!
And because I believe that nuclear is one of the legs to reducing co2 emmissions, you think I am not serious?
Shaking head again.....something stinks in Chicago, and it isn't me.
We can delay until all decisions are moot. Failure to act for "economic" reasons, is kind of like not pulling an infected tooth because it might hurt -- is death by septicemia preferable?
I've heard that cap and trade isn't doing so well in Europe but don't really have enough information. We should not have a carbon tax--it should be a btu tax which would include nuclear. I thing that was Gore's new one.
As for Larry Summers, I don't have a problem with Obama having people around with different views but it would be nice if some of those people also had a history of being right, not wrong. Summers also helped convince Clinton and Congress that credit default swaps were fine and should not be banned or regulated.
"According to a transition official familiar with Mr. Summers's thinking, he is wary of moving very quickly on a carbon cap, because doing so could raise energy costs, kill jobs and deepen the current recession."
Ya know, the more we fiddle, the more Rome burns.
We don't only need history to remind us, but we can use our intuition to inform us that we'd better prepare ourselves for some shit to land on our heads.
These people are not at all serious about remedying the effects of global climate change (aka, global warming). Listening to them is like listening to the Israeli propaganda machine tell us why they simply must destroy Gaza and all in it to save themselves.
Folks, we are the Gazans, and we had better adjust our lives accordingly. Those with the reins of power are prepared to take this global climate change issue to the mat, so we're in for some very, very, rough times ahead.
If we are not dramatically simplifying and altering our lives, we are going to come out like those in Gaza.
Change or die.
"All Nature's difference keeps all Nature's peace." Alexander Pope
TO START, CAP AND TRADE THE UTILITIES!
Just now reading about carbon cap-and-trade in Europe, the success of the program over the past ten years or so has been mixed. Germany boasted an 18.4% reduction in carbon emissions but this could be attributed to closing down the filthy factories left over from what was East Germany. Even though Germans invested heavily in solar and wind, power rates have risen 25%. An Washington Post article entitled "Europe's Problems Color U.S. Plans to Curb Carbon Gases" (August 7, 2007; http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/08/AR2007040800758_pf.html) explains how the utilities are getting away with it:
"Of all the effects of the new rules, the rise in the price of power has aroused the most outrage. Much of the anger of consumers and industries has been aimed at the continent's utility companies. Like other firms, the utilities were given slightly fewer allowances than they needed. But instead of charging customers for the cost of buying allowances to cover the shortfall, utilities in much of Europe charged customers for 100 percent of the tradable allowances they were given -- even though the government handed them out free. Electricity rates soared."
Utilities, burning mostly coal worldwide, are the biggest polluters as industry goes. As such, why not institute a cap and trade program in the U.S.aimed only at utilities? Carbon particulate in the air is reduced, as well, and utilities will be forced to take up solar and wind on a grander scale, nationwide. Maybe give them some starter credits at first but penalize them if they attempt to pass along any additional costs to ratepayers (besides standard annual increases of 6% or so). The federal solar tax credit, just extended in the Wall Street bailout act, now allows publicly-traded, taxable utilities to get the 30% tax credit just like all residential and commercial entities. By limiting cap and trade first to utilities, it will be easier to administer and easier to quantify the results. Then expand the program to otherhttp://freesolaradvice.blogspot.com
Davian:
I beg your pardon? Do you even know who Dr. Christy is? Better do a yahoo search my friend before you make such stupid accusations.
Yes indeed, Sigdur, we do know who Christy is. He's been working overtime for the past decade to call Climate-Collapse into question, so that the global community postpones working for solutions until we pass the tipping point, while all the multinational corporations continue to make their obscene profits on the oil-based and CO2-producing economic structure. His relationship with the Competitive Enterprise Institute is a dead giveaway to his real motivations. I note, too, that you yourself promote "nuclear," as you put it, as a solution - a dead giveaway that you're not serious about restoring our climate before it's too late. Nice try, dude, but we're on to you.
Commoditizing pollution is a bad idea. It's another "free market" alternative to regulation. Instead, what's needed is strong law enforcement, including dissolving the corporate charters of gross polluters. The state can also push cleaner technologies through tax incentives.
Countries such as Sweden are successfully moving to petroleum alternatives, but that's because of strong state mandates, rather than laissez faire capitalism.
It doesn't look like the Obama administration will do much, having hired Summers, who represents the Milton Friedman "markets can do no wrong" view. Strong state intervention is antithetical to someone like Summers.
This article is paving the ground for something less than what's needed to be done. It's setting up a compromise mind set so the public won't feel so betrayed. It would be less of a propaganda piece if it explained that workable alternatives really do exist. We are not facing some inevitable two-camp clash. We are facing unbridled capitalism and its historical perogatives.
Unfortunately, you've got Obama, who's already talked on the campaign trail about paradoxes like "clean coal" or foolish revivals of nuclear energy, the most grossly poluting energy source yet devised. He's also got plans to drill, drill, drill for oil off the coasts, like the Republicans.
-TIA
bbr:
IF we have hit the tipping point to start cooling again, we won't be worrying to much about co2 emmissions.
Frightening analogy. If GHG policy and legislation progress at the same rate health care has since 1992, we'll be at 420 ppm CO2 and locked into 450+ before even one coal fired plant is shut down.
"As Mr. Obama seeks to find the right balance between his environmental goals and his plans to revive the economy,"
There is no balance between environment and economy. How can you revive the economy without reviving the environment? A healthy environment means a healthy economy. There is no healthy economy without a healthy environment. The balance argument is used by the elite's economists to further the status quo. To direct money to the top 1%.
"It may once again prove to be Mr. Summers's role to inject a rigorous economist's reality check into the debate over the scope and speed of an attack on global warming."
Science studies have shown that economists have a worse record of correct predictions than do bookies. How can we base environmental decisions on economist's useless predictions?
Carol Browner is a good choice. Summers and Orzag are obligatory panderers of and for the moneyed class. They are environmental know nothings and worse economic seers who bullshitted their way to the top.
Appalachia is Third World America http://www.wisecountyissues.com thanks to Bush, Cheney and THE COAL INDUSTRY. We just can't stand anymore of the prosperity. Our environment is destroyed and the standard of health care in East Tennessee is questionable at best.
Freshly updated global temperature measurements combined with evidence from
new research continues to show little global-scale warming of the atmosphere
during the past 22 years, a scientist from The University of Alabama in
Huntsville (UAH) reported on Monday.
"In looking at all of the pieces of the puzzle, we see a picture of the past
22 years that we hadn't anticipated -- that the bulk of the atmosphere has
shown very little warming," said Dr. John Christy, a professor of
atmospheric science and director of UAH's Earth System Science Center. "We
see warming over the northern third of the globe both at the surface and in
the five-mile-deep layer of air above.
"For the bulk of the atmosphere, however, we see a general cooling trend
over the remaining two-thirds of the globe, from 20 degrees north latitude
to the South Pole."
The hundreds of millions of dollars invested by multi-national energy corporations funding the obfuscation of climate science assures Dr. Christy and other deniers job security. Unfortunately, fringe scientists do their grandchildren and the rest of the planet no favors in what little remains of the eleventh of our planet's biosphere.
Given the prospect of irreversible and catastrophic changes in the biosphere, it is morally contemptible at this point to fail to apply the precautionary principle.
Don't be fooled by the carbon cap and trade scheme. IT only amounts to another tax, which we certainly don't need.
What needs to be done is very simple, has worked in the past, and I daresay will work in the future.
Give a tax credit for solar/wind energy. I am not talking solar cells. Those are very messy to make environmentally, and not worth the enrivonment damage. I am talking solar steam. The teck is here for that, and being refined.
Wind is a no brainer. There should be wind towers harvesting that wonderful source where ever in this country there are class 4 or above winds. To those people who think a tower is noisy....or not beautiful. Well, I will say this to you. Go live on a smokestack. Don't buy into this fallacy that we have to go back to the dark ages.
Nuclear should also be expanded.
We will not wean ourselves off oil in the near future, but we can in the long term.
With the long term cooling trend that has been set in motion with the solar minimum and the shift in the PDO, we have time to establish these things. The cost of oil will escalate again, and in the very near future. WE are at peak oil worldwide with normal economic growth. A temp lull in that growth has given us that short window to start.
So to all....full steam ahead...get rid of the idea of this sooooooo stupid carbon cap and trade idea. IT only transfers carbon credits to those who can afford to buy them. Follow the money on this idea folks.
Best of luck to all.
I find it ironic that the arguement used by the banksters and economic advisors to delay or derail the transition to a green economy over the last forty years isthat it would be too costly... With unknown ramifications effecting all sectors... And could even lead to economic collapse...!!!
Now that the U.S.S. WallStreet has run aground on the reef of reality, that old canard doesnt hold water...
I agree. The Banksters want to wring every last dollar they can from the dying Old Economy. That anyone listens to Summers shows just how backward and unseeing Obama's administration will be. Smae old enemy with a different face.