The financial crisis and a deepening economic downturn are threatening to delay efforts to deal with another pressing global crisis: climate change.
Hopes for action had been running high since both Republican John
McCain and Democrat Barack Obama had pledged to make cutting U.S.
greenhouse gas emissions a top priority. But environmentalists now fear
that the next president may be more focused on reviving a flatlining
economy, and Congress could be wary of supporting any measures that
might slow growth or raise energy prices for consumers.
"The truth is there is a very large question mark hanging over the idea that Congress would take economywide action on global warming with the economy in such anemic shape," said Frank O'Donnell, president of Clean Air Watch.
In the short term, a declining global economy could reduce the growth in greenhouse gas emissions as consumption of goods and energy usage drops. But world leaders warn it could also undermine efforts to find long-term solutions.
European Union leaders are discussing delaying planned emissions cuts in response to the financial crisis. United Nations officials worry that wealthier nations may cut back on commitments to help poorer countries invest in clean energy or adapt to the impacts of warming, which is seen as crucial in getting a global deal to reduce emissions.
"You can't pick an empty pocket," Yvo de Boer, the United Nations' top climate official, told the Associated Press last week.
The scientific evidence of the need for action on climate change continues to mount. Last month, scientists announced that man-made carbon dioxide emissions rose by 2.5 percent last year, four times faster than a decade ago and faster than the worst-case modeling had predicted. The rise was fueled by rapid growth in emissions from fast-developing nations such as China and India.
U.N. climate scientists have said that global emissions must peak by 2015 and drop by at least 50 percent by 2050 to limit the temperature rise to 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, the threshold where some of the most extreme impacts could begin.
Warming a serious threat
But the growing consensus in the United States that global warming is a serious threat has not been matched by a consensus in Washington over how to solve the problem. All of the proposed solutions would require broad changes in the economy and how Americans use energy, and all carry significant costs.
Neither presidential candidate has backed away from his pledges to tackle global warming. Both men appeared at former President Bill Clinton's Global Initiative conference in New York last month to reiterate their commitments to cutting emissions. At last week's presidential debate, both candidates said investments in clean energy could help revive the economy.
"It can be an engine that drives us into the future the same way the computer was the engine for economic growth over the last couple of decades," Obama said.
But translating those pledges into legislation that can pass Congress could prove politically difficult.
Obama and McCain have backed bills to create a cap-and-trade system, which would cap emissions and allow major emitters like power plants to trade credits to emit greenhouse gases. The plan mirrors the scheme approved by the California Legislature and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, which requires cuts in emissions to 1990 levels by 2020.
Cap-and-trade plans
The goal of cap-and-trade plans is simple: Put a price tag on carbon dioxide and other gases to pressure industry to reduce the use of fossil fuels. By auctioning off credits, the government could raise hundreds of billions of dollars in revenues to support investments in renewable energy and other programs.
But a Senate cap-and-trade bill was pulled from the floor last year before a final vote after most Republicans and some Democrats, especially from Midwest and Southern states that rely heavily on coal, raised concerns that it could slow economic growth or raise energy costs. The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimated that the bill would reduce gross domestic product by 0.2 to 0.6 percent by 2030, and could raise electricity prices by 11 to 64 percent and gas prices by 22 to 49 cents.
Scott Segal, who lobbies on the climate issue for electric utilities, said those arguments could be even more powerful if the economy continues its decline.
"The prospects for rapid action on climate change have been slowed by the economy," Segal said. But he added that McCain or Obama could still achieve a breakthrough on climate change if they push a package that limits costs to the economy and guarantees that U.S. businesses are not put at a disadvantage to competitors India and China.
In a sign of where the debate may be headed, two key House Democrats, Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell, D-Mich., and Rick Boucher, D-Va., released a long-anticipated "discussion draft" of a new cap-and-trade bill. The bill proposes less aggressive short-term cuts in emissions than this year's Senate bill - a 6 percent reduction from 2005 levels by 2020 - but deeper cuts in later years to reach an 80 percent reduction by 2050.
Environmentalists are suspicious about parts of the bill, including a provision to pre-empt efforts by California and other states from moving ahead with their own cap-and-trade systems, and to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from using its existing authority under the Clean Air Act to regulate greenhouse gases.
Bill called sign of progress
Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., who chairs the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, said she doesn't support everything in the new bill, but called it a sign of progress. She also believes the coming elections, where Democrats are favored to win seats, could improve the odds in the Senate of passing a climate bill.
"We could have 58 or 59 Democrats, maybe 60 Democrats. We will have many more voices in the Congress on this," she said.
Boxer said she also thinks the next president will be able to make the case that a weak economy demands a new energy and climate policy.
"We have to become a leader in alternative energy to get out of this economic malaise," she said. "You're not going to get out of it just by doing business as usual."
Climate options for the next president
Both Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama have pledged to make tackling climate change a priority, but a weakening economy could lead Congress and the next president to put off immediate action. Here are some options the next president could consider:
Cap and trade: McCain and Obama support "cap-and-trade" proposals that would cap emissions at a certain date, gradually reduce them over time and allow industry to trade credits to emit greenhouse gases. But the plan's critics warn that it could raise energy costs, and it's not clear that a majority in the House and Senate will back the idea - even if Democrats gain seats this fall.
Let the states lead: The Bush administration rejected efforts by California and at least 17 other states to set tough limits on greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles. Both McCain and Obama have said they would have granted California's request. Doing so would allow the next president to signal a shift in climate policy.
Regulate under the Clean Air Act: The U.S. Supreme Court said the EPA has the authority under the Clean Air Act to regulate greenhouse gases. The next president could decide to begin regulating emissions - effectively bypassing Congress and setting limits through administrative action.
Energy bill: With a cap-and-trade bill possibly tough to pass quickly, the next president and Congress might have better odds of passing an energy bill with tax incentives and federal research money for clean energy. McCain has stressed the need to build new nuclear plants, while Obama has focused more on wind and solar power.
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Show AllYep ~Forbiddenfo~ my speling is oribal. But this ain't a speling beeee, so as long as we can understand it, it's Okay.
You are 100% correct about the neo-cons who control the gold, the media, news and the politicians. They are so consumed with "self" and greed, that they cannot fathom that there really are some very serious issues that must be addressed and soon.
I learned in college that if there were only 1,000 people on Earht and everyone of them had a thousand dollars, that within ten years five of the thousand would control $9,995,000 of the money. ____ And that's how it is.
As for the thrat of the Arctic's methand? I'll get stupid again and post this link, for I see there are a lot of new names and perhaps some haven't had the fun of raading this three minute to read article.
http://www.energybulletin.net/3647.html
~Kem Patrick~
The Neo-Cons will be using "Fiscal Woes" as a way of denying the American people of anything that improves OUR quality of life. But, of course, there will always be money available for Mega-Billion bailouts of corporate interests.
Separation of Church and State was a keystone clause in 1776.
Separation of Corporate and State will be the next revolutions keystone.
Wether it be cap-and-trade, or other schemes, I completely fail to understand why the burden of regulation should fall on the fossil-fuel user, rather than the producer. The user has few or no other alternatives, fossil fuel producers who all work very hard at preventing those users any alternatives to the lucrative global scam thay are so heavily invested in.
All we need is a single, stiff global carbon tax on every oil wellhead, coal tipple, or oil sand plant. What could be simpler? This would keep the fossil fuels in the ground - the only place where we can be sure they won't ever be burned and would provide the incentives for alternatives.
I completely fail to see how cap and trade wouldwork - at least half of fossil fuel usage decisions are done by individuals, not by "industry". I have done lots of things to reduce my fossil fuel usage - no AC, frugal heat usage, and electric motor scooter and public transit usage replacing most car usage. Where do I go to sell my carbon credits?
~PaulK~ nailed it with his Oct 13, 1pm post.
You konw what almost everyone in every government has been ignoring, is the Arctic is thawing like never before due to the current global warming and when the methane located there releases into our atmosphere, global warming will be out of humanity's control. Building nuclear power plants, ___ "build a bunch of them" are McCain's words, or "clean coal" are Obama's words is nonsense.
We are runningout of time and the politicians don't get it. Even Al Gore doesn't get it. He also is ignoring the serious and most critical issue and threat to all life, and that's the release of multi-millios of TONS of methane gas into our atmmosphere.
You konw, if scientists discovered that a massive asteroid was on a sure-fire collision course with Earth and it would strike somewhere in the Atlantic ocean in three years, on August 3rd at 8am, you can bet your last two cents that all governments would gang up and come up with a plan to alter the flight path of the asteroid.
What is occuring at the present time with the sure-fire threat of the Arctic's methane release is just as serious as a massive asteroid strike wiping out almost all life on the planet and no one is doing anything about it. No one is going to do anything about it either. ___ So let's just build a bunc of atomic power plants and burn some clean coal. ___ Ho-hum, we got mor important isues to think about don't we.
~Kem Patrick~
Kem,
I believe the current Neo-Cons don't want to pre-empt anything good. They are into the BAD, cause it pays! They have figured out that the real money isn't into doing good, the real money to be made is in acting like you "give a shit" but either ignoring a key fact or conspiring to further it's cause. I am convinced 911 and every single other horrible thing that has happened under W's watch is because of this.
Nice to see a familure name back on CD, although your spelling is getting as bad as mine! ;-)! (where the hell's the spell check?)
Yep, it's sick and wrong that some folks balk at the idea of spending the estimated "hundreds of billions" that might be needed to mitigate the impacts, and to resolve the issues behind climate change. "Even if we are responsible, we can't afford to change," is their refrain.
"Hundreds of billions." That sounds like a lot of money, but that amount is really only a few good years profits of the world largest corporations, one year of US defense spending, or a fraction of the trillions of dollars that's been put out by the world's Central Banks since August 2007 to "save" a crooked financial system.
Perspective can illuminate perception. People can see the hypocrisy after being told for decades that there's no government or corporate money for wage increases, universal health insurance, "alternative energy," etc. But boy, is there money available when the richest people in the world get themselves in trouble by just trying to make themselves more money!
Politicians will soon rue the day they chose to give the bankers the gold coins after telling the people that the purse was empty. Their waterfront retirement houses will all be under water and there won't be enough groundwater to feed the snow making machines in Whistler, Aspen, and Let Gets.
Economy vs environment - typical divide-and-conquer tricks used to empower the monied elites.
You people need to fight for legalizing hemp first if you want to rescue both the environment and the economy. Even the radio is starting to mention this idea of Industrial hemp to get us off dependence on foreign oil.
Best job builder would be a conservation program. Require all new buildings to meet and maintain strict insulation and energy efficiency will employ construction workers, engineers etc.
Retrofitting all old buildings on a priority basis will be a job for a generation. Higher wages and steady employment will mean more education and training jobs to prepare the next generation of people who can build in advanced conservation into future buildings.
Adding subway stations and updating other rail transportation would be another field that would help the economy and reduce future environmental damage.
Drilling for more oil in panic mode will just wreck the environment and cause economic panics.
Yeah, what else is new with the do nothing politicos running the corporate show. Take care of the elites first; oh, and by the time they get around to it Obama will advance his coal, nuclear, and bio fuel friends packing his pockets with cash. Cap and trade is the corporate written solution to avoid environmental responsibility. The more things change the more they stay the same.
My vote will be going to Nader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbJY2rs0QI
I want Cynthia McKinney to be our next president. Unfortunately, ain't gonna happen. Although I haven't seen "corporate TV" since 1974, I know the chances of anyone but McBama's winning the next election are 0%. Therefore, I will vote for Obama and hope that either: (a) he fulfills the hopes of the obamaniacs and leads us toward the light; or (2) we continue the downward spiral, which precipitates catharsis (right about 2012)!
I like Cynthia but she has been talking about Black reparations. That is no way to get elected in America.
Lying weasal parties..I didnt know weasals had parties???
Could someone explain when weasals have parties? I would like to read about this extraordinary development among weasalkind.
I thought humans had parties--democrats, republicans, nazis.
Weasals are tenacious creatures--they are survivalists-and unlike humans-very brave. They will fight to the death.
But why then have weasals become a negative word?
Could it be because weasals, like wolves, like to do what they do naturally and that interferes with unnecessary human endeavors like ranching and chicken farms? I say unnecessary because obviously one can be vegetarian and because they tend to be negatives for the environment(according to the UN). But this brings us back to Global warming and the economy.
People take Nature for granted. They get all upset about cancer and natural things that reduce population, but war, pollution etc--that's ok cuz humans cause it. Its ok for humans to kill each other-just not ok when Nature does it.
If you want money to be put towards climate issues, just say that it causes cancer and suddenly they will throw money at animal researchers to solve the climate problem.
If only I was born a weasal...
Human-ugh-such a dirty word...
Weasels are cute little animals and they have a soft bark like a small dog when communicating with one another. If they are frightened they let out a loud scream that sounds like the banshee from hell. You cannot believe that little animal can create such a loud and scary sound. It seems impossible that the ratio between such a small animal and the huge sound is possible, but it is.
from The Free Dictionary:
weasel: 2. A person regarded as sneaky or treacherous.
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To get any money for any socially valuable project out of the current herd,
of Looters and Swindlers, enriching themselves, with excuses so absurd,
you will have to have a revolution, with force and numbers fighting hard,
and overthrow these selfish parasites, and strip them of their lard.
Get rid of government bank presidents, and stock brokers with magic formuleas,
throw in the river the useless Cee Hee Owes who have sent all the money overseas.
As the people search for their next meal, the current system is obviously broke,
Attempts to save the system by money handouts to Swiss bank accounts are a very bad joke.
Carbon Equity: Ration the Future:
http://www.carbonequity.info
We all face a global warming emergency. Climate change science tells us that feedback mechanisms are driving us towards catastrophic cimate change, requiring rapid cuts in carbon emissions. The idea of carbon rationing is a better response than carbon taxes, and here's how it will work.
http://www.carbonequity.info/emergency.html
http://www.carbonequity.info/science.html
http://www.carbonequity.info/feedbacks.html
http://www.carbonequity.info/scenarios.html
http://www.carbonequity.info/rationingidea.html
http://www.carbonequity.info/carbon%20taxes.html
http://www.carbonequity.info/howitworks.html
Expel the anti-science people from government. Separate church and state. Religion does not design and build bridges across rivers, automobiles, trains or planes. Scientists and engineers do. We are not going to pray away radioactive waste from nuclear power plants. No nukes. No coal. We need solar, wind, geothermal, wave power, clean and safe, NOW.
Rationing certainly should be part of the solution. Especially if combined with tax incentives for conservation and local consultants to come into your home or business and find where you are wasting energy.
Are "climate change efforts" an option? Can we go after climate change in 10 years? 20? Can we put in a cap, sell credits and see what happens over 10-20 years? Should we let those nice clean cut Heritage Foundation types tell us it isn't a priority, especially now? Should we let guys like Imhofe dismiss it as a hoax?
The answer is most certainly "No", but nothing real may be done. We can only hope the emergency gets everyone's attention before its too late, and it may be too late already.
If you place your faith in any candidate, Nader included, you will set yourself up for disappointment. I speak as a two time Nader voter who bears no grudge against him. But history teaches that reforms didn't come as a gift from the elites, rather it was a hard won struggle fought by those in the trenches to get the needed change. The fight for a 40 hour work week, social security, Medicare for the elderly and poor wasn't achieved without years of struggle.
Now we have to fight to limit global warming by getting the government to place mandatory caps on carbon emissions and get this green economy going. The time for delay has long since past and its time to change now or live in a different world that's too awful to contemplate. It's no time to feel self-pity, whine or moan. A vast expenditure in efficiency, renewable energy, a smart grid, linking transportation to the electrical grid and localizing food production and manufacturing are critical first steps. The Wall Street bailout doesn't have to eat our green economy unless we let it. Lets get creative there's work to be done regardless of who's elected.
Climate and Sustainability Emergency:
http://ClimateCodeRed.net (The Case for Emergency Action on Global Warming)
http://ClimateEmergencyNetwork.org
http://WakeUpFreakOut.org
http://PostCarbon.org
http://EcoCityBuilders.org
http://BicycleCity.com
http://CarFree.com
http://FreePublicTransit.org
http://LifeAfterTheOilCrash.net
http://LifeAfterTheOilCrash.net/BreakingNews.html
http://EndOfSuburbia.com
For the most part, government, industry, business and the people have not done enough. There is now a strong case for EMERGENCY ACTION on global warming, yet the shell game by corporate media and government and business continues. Short-term money and power-motivated people are not going to help. Politicians don't even understand the science, or they are simply liars and using diversions such as religion, entertainment, or fear-mongering to hide their power-grabs.
Now more than ever, we need serious investments of time, education, money and resources into people-powered agriculture, local agriculture, permaculture (permanent agriculture). Humans shouldn't be living in snowy areas. Out of about 350 species of primates, only humans waste incredible amounts of energy and resources trying to live in snow. It is clearly unsustainable.
This is an easy one....the military industrial complex including 700 plus foreign military bases need to be cut in half and the money applied to intelligent global warming initiatives. What good is it to save our military arces and lose our lives through environmental destruction? When doing this we would have to beef up our emergency rooms for Republicans suffering heart attacks. Unfortunately it has to be done.
Obama has already been making similar comments. Effectively saying all his progressive proposals might be sidelined because of the money going to the bailout.
This is what you get when you vote Democrat these days. When Wall Street or corporate American comes a calling, they open the nation's accounts and say take whatever you want.
For the rest of us, they lie to us on the campaign trail and try to pretend to be on our side. But when it really comes down to paying for it, we always get told that Wall St and corporate America already has all the money and we are SOL.
Vote Nader!
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
Stephen harper makes much the same argument up here in Canada. He claims that with the world economy near collapse and all the uncertainty, now is not the time for green initiatives or risky programs.
In other words what he is saying "yeah things are a mess because of our policies and they get even worse, but lets keep the same policies because we cant risk making things a mess"
pk
Eliminate the $1+ Trillion in support of the US Empire and "Fiscal Woes" will immediately vanish.
A trillion for the war department.
A trillion for wall street.
A trillion here, a trillion there. Pretty soon you are talking about real money.
Think about what we could do in this country with 2 trillion a year to spend on solving our nation's problems. Then vote Nader! Because voting for Nader is the only way we'd get to spend this money solving our problems.
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
What is a safe level of CO2 emissions? How dangerous is global warming? What would the cost be to re-engineer the industrial world if we act now? What would the cost be if we wait until the global warming crisis threatens our food supplies, our coastlines, our very survival?
What idea is conspicuously missing from the article above?
CONSERVATION.
How's this for a "climate change" policy: we must do everything we possibly can to reduce our CO2 emissions.
Cap and trade??? This is nothing more than rewarding the "good companies" while we continue to let the "bad companies" poison the planet if they can afford to do so. We don't need market disincentives to stop the polluters; we need to stop them from polluting. As Bob Dylan said: "money doesn't talk it swears." Why does it make sense to allow companies to continue to pollute if they can afford to do so?
The lying weasel parties, you know who they are, like to push wind and solar and green jobs. First, there's no guarantee that green manufacturing jobs will be kept in the country anymore than any other manufacturing job. Green manufacturing jobs are as easily exported to other countries as any other manufacturing jobs.
Second, who can deny that the lying weasel parties are playing politics with this critical issue? They will never tell you the truth. We need to reduce our energy usage by changing our society. The pain cannot be avoided and it will be far worse if it's not addressed now. We need a national movement to support more localized agriculture. We need to reduce commuter mileage. We need to put limits on how many miles people are allowed to drive. This is not a choice. This is not open to "that's so un-American and invasive." Science is science; it doesn't care about your political whims or your ideology. Sadly, the lying weasel parties just won't tell you the truth because they are putting their interests ahead of your interests, the national interest and the interests of the global community.
It truly is tragic that the need for these policies comes at a time when the economy is faltering so badly. Radical changes in our way of life and our infrastructure will be costly to implement. It's too bad we've made such horrible choices; that's what's led us to the crisis we're in. We cannot afford to go on pretending. Global warming science will not be willing to wait until we're finally ready to do the right thing. It's coming fast; it's coming hard; and still the lying weasel parties bow their fiddles.
"It truly is tragic that the need for these policies comes at a time when the economy is faltering so badly."
Actually, that's the best time to try to change things.
We've seen that people pay little attention when all is well ... or at least kinda-sorta-survivable. Now, when people really have a sense of how badly things are screwed up is the perfect time to try to talk to them seriously about changing this.
Especially since money spent on this doesn't just disappear into a black hole. A lot of it has to go to local workers to do the work. The rest of it is all still spent and can help pick up the economy. The money gets spent on goods and services, which in terms provides jobs and some needed help to the economy.
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
"Especially since money spent on this doesn't just disappear into a black hole. A lot of it has to go to local workers to do the work. The rest of it is all still spent and can help pick up the economy. The money gets spent on goods and services, which in terms provides jobs and some needed help to the economy."
I really wish I believed that.
"Green jobs" has long been a plank in the Democrats' platform. Green solar panels, green windmills, greener cars, green building retrofitting, green everything. Limits on driving, which I'm calling for, will initially have a negative impact on jobs. There's no chance of getting that past today's duopoly.
Unfortunately, pesky little annoyances like the environment get tossed on the trash heap when economic pressures knock at the door. Look at what just happened with offshore oil drilling. The Democrats couldn't trip all over themselves fast enough to sacrifice environmental sanity as gas prices soared past the $4 per gallon mark.
Environmentalism is still seen as a luxury. Global warming is still an important "issue" but it takes a back seat to the economy every time. It's seen as some sort of "future" problem; no sense sacrificing today when we can put it off until tomorrow. Hmmmmm, kind of sounds like what you would expect from a debt-ridden, credit crazed society.
"Fiscal Woes Could Delay Climate Change Efforts"
Gotcha!
Preempting action on protecting the commons, in any of its forms, was the GOAL of both Iraq and the bailout theft.
Boxer is another Democrat fraud.
The preferred talking point to defend this useless bill now is the same used to defend the 700 billion robbery, which Boxer voted for. "The bill is not perfect, but we had to do something."
Yes, right. Sound familiar? There was absolutely no proof that Iraq had WMDs but there were far too many billions to be made by invading a sovereign nation, so we needed to do something.
None of these bills are perfect. And they are all always imperfect in such a way that we get screwed and others get rich.
Notice that you never see say 'single payer health care' enacted under the talking points of 'this plan isn't perfect, but we had to do something.'
Or, you don't see a moratorium on foreclosures being passed under the talking points of 'this plan isn't perfect, but we had to do something.'
When Americans are sick, when Americans are losing their homes, when Americans are being forced into bankruptcy, there's no urgency. But let the bottom lines of their big contributors get threatened, and suddenly we hear 'this plan isn't perfect, but we had to do something.'
Never vote for any candidate you see often on corporate TV. They serve the corporate masters. The candidate you want to vote for is the candidate that is either never on corporate TV, or that is constantly smeared and ridiculed by corporate TV.
If you don't follow that rule, this is what you get.
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
Amen to this and to the post by Welshterrier2. And I would add that you never hear the refrain that "This spending bill will raise our taxes" if you are talking about the military or the big bailouts.
That refrain is sung out loud and clear by hounds like Kornyn and Kyl only when a bill allocates a few nickles and dimes for education or children or sick people or the elderly or the poor.
Joe
The Congressional effort to stop global wierding (global warming) is phoney. Excuse me, let me correct my earlier statement. It's phony. There, that's better!
Congress thinks that using a gallon of oil to grow a gallon of ethanol will stop global wierding. It won't do a thing, but Congress can boast that they did something. The same bogus energy equation goes for building nuclear power plants, which McCain has pledged to do up and down the block and which Obama favors.
Congress had to sneak wind and solar energy tax credits into the 700 billion dollar rich people's bailout bill. They have no intention of making renewable energy tax credits equivalent to oil industry tax goodies.
A couple of years ago, a 10 mpg hummer would get a $34,000 tax deduction and a 45 mpg Prius would get a $4,000 tax deduction. Should we cheer that Congress got rid of the hummer deduction or just not boo as much?
Every time a voter says "global warming", your congresscritter hears "energy independence" and then "mine more coal!", not to mention "drill baby drill!"