Palin's Christian Expenses
Record shows blurred lines in her support for religious causes at taxpayers' expense
WASILLA, Alaska-The camera closes in on Sarah Palin speaking to young missionaries, vowing from the pulpit to do her part to implement God's will from the governor's office.
What she didn't tell worshippers gathered at
the Wasilla Assembly of God church in her hometown was that her
appearance that day came courtesy of Alaskan taxpayers, who picked up
the $639.50 (all figures U.S.) tab for her airplane tickets and per
diem fees.
An Associated Press review of the Republican vice-presidential candidate's record as mayor and governor reveals her use of elected office to promote religious causes, sometimes at taxpayer expense and in ways that blur the line between church and state.
Since she took office in late 2006, the governor and her family have spent more than $13,000 in taxpayer funds to attend at least 10 religious events and meetings with Christian pastors.
Palin was baptized Roman Catholic as an infant, was baptized again in a Pentecostal Assemblies of God church as a teenager and has worshipped at a nondenominational Bible church since 2002.
She opposes abortion, even in cases of rape and incest, and supports classroom discussions about creationism.
Since she was named as John McCain's running mate, Palin's deep faith and support for traditional moral values have rallied conservative voters who initially appeared reluctant to back his campaign.
On a weekend trip from the capital in June, a minister from the Wasilla Assembly of God blessed Palin and Lieut.-Governor Sean Parnell before a crowd gathered for the "One Lord Sunday" event at the town's hockey rink.
Later in the day, Palin addressed the budding missionaries at her former church.
"As I'm doing my job, let's strike this deal. Your job is going be to be out there, reaching the people - hurting people - throughout Alaska," she told students graduating from the church's Masters Commission program. "We can work together to make sure God's will be done here."
A spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign, Maria Comella, said the state paid for Palin's travel and meals on that trip, and for other meetings with Christian groups, because she and her family were invited in their official capacity as Alaska's first family. Parnell did not charge the state a per diem or ask to be reimbursed for travel expenses that day.
"I understand the per diem policy is, I can claim it if I am away from my residence for 12 hours or more. And Anchorage is where my residence is and I'm based from. And this trip took about four hours of driving time and time at the event, so I did not claim per diem for this one," Parnell told Associated Press.
Palin and her family billed the state $3,022 for the cost of attending Christian gatherings exclusively, including visits to the Assembly of God here and to the congregation they attend in Juneau, according to expense reports reviewed by AP.
Experts say those trips fall into an ethically grey area, since Democrats and Republicans alike often visit religious venues for personal and official reasons.
J. Brent Walker, who runs a Washington, D.C.-based group that advocates for church-state separation, said based on a reporter's account, Palin's June excursion raised questions.
"Politicians are entitled to freely exercise their religion while in office, but ethically if not legally that part of her trip ought to not be charged to taxpayers," said Walker, executive director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty. "It's still fundamentally a religious and spiritual experience she is having."
The Palins billed the state an additional $10,094 in expenses for other multi-day trips that included worship services or religiously themed events, but also involved substantial state business, including the governor's inaugural ball and an oil and gas conference in New Orleans.
Palin also submitted $998 in expenses for a June trip to Anchorage that included a bill signing at Congregation Beth Shalom synagogue, the only non-Christian house of worship she has visited since taking office, according to the McCain campaign.
In response to an AP request, Comella provided a list showing that since January 2007 the governor had attended 25 "faith-based events," including funerals and community meetings held at churches. Many did not appear on the governor's schedule or her travel records.
Palin has said publicly her personal opinions don't "bleed on over into policies."
Still, after AP reported the governor had accepted tainted donations during her 2006 campaign, she announced she would donate the $2,100 to three charities, including an Anchorage non-profit aimed at "sharing God's love" to dissuade young women from having abortions.
An AP review of her time as mayor, from late 1996 to 2002, also reveals a commingling of church and state.
Records of her mayoral correspondence show that Palin worked arduously to organize a day of prayer at city hall. She said that with local ministers' help, Wasilla - a city of 7,000 an hour's drive north of Anchorage - could become "a light, or a refuge for others in Alaska and America."
"What a blessing that the Lord has already put into place the Christian leaders, even though I know it's all through the grace of God," she wrote in March 2000 to her former pastor. She thanked him for the loan of a video featuring a Kenyan preacher who later would pray for her protection from witchcraft as she sought higher office.
In that same period, she also joined a grassroots, faith-based movement to stop the local hospital from performing abortions, a fight that ultimately lost before the Alaska Supreme Court.
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Show AllI find all this McCainery quite beyond the Pale'n... In fact the ENTIRE LUNATIC SCENERIO is so completely skewed and insane that it has got to be some kind of smokescreen to hide the EVIL CHICANERY that is obviously taking place in the WhiteHouse at this very moment to administer the COUP D' GRACE on our last remaining LIBERTIES AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!
(Anybody been following what Cheney or Rove or any of the rest of the USUAL SUSPECTS / BUSH APPOINTED CRIMINALS FROM PREVIOUS REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATONS have been up to lately...?)
I'm sure the recent Near Trillion Dollar rip-off of taxpayer money is merely the TIP OF THE ICEBERG!!
Why do people keep calling these reactionaries conservatives?
WHY is abortion such a huge issue in the USA? Has no one ever heard of BIRTH CONTROL? (Sorry for the caps, but I guess this tiresome subject has gotten to me) I'll bet Sarah Palin would secretly get an abortion in a flash if, god forbid, she ever got raped and pregnant by the rapist.
After being found to have abused her power and violated ethics as governor, Sarah Palin lies and says she's happy to have been vindicated of the charges......haha. Karl Rove has been coaching her, I see. Phone interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3jKY8vEACs
Actually, I frequently tell very young students that when I was a child in primary school that we had shared desks--and that I shared mine with a dinosaur.
The kids always laugh--one way I know that they are awake.
Palin is cut from the same mold as Bush--dull normal to mildly retarded IQ, vengeful, no knowledge of history (or anything else), geographically challenged and sanctimonious as h-ll.
I am sure you will get a real kick out of her presidency.
As a true Christian, I have no respect for fake "Christians" such as Bush, Cheney, Paling, Robertson, Falwell, Dobson, and the rest of the rightwing nazis who have given this otherwise decent religion a bad name. To hell with Paling as well. She is a DISGRACE to women, Christians, working class people, this country, and this planet. Go home Paling and mind your own business.
Palin-tology
Humans and dinosaurs walked the earth together 5 thousand years ago?
yah...you betcha!
you think the Sumerians, Chinese or Egyptians would have mentioned the rather large lizards stomping around though....
Haven't you Americans embarassed yourselves enought already with the last pinhead you elected President?
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
We'll have to get back to you after Nov.4th to answer this. It seems we
may not have learned anything. There is a good chance we will elect an old
fart in need of anger management and a Hockey Mom that believes NO child
should be aborted but war is A-OK.
I'm sorry, but I thought that in America we had our freedoms. Yeah, I don't agree with abortion either, but it's our freedom as americans to be able to make that choice ourselves, and the fact that she is spending a butt ton of money on her expenses for religious meetings and stuff makes me want to ralph. we can only imagine what kind of money she will be spending of our tax money when she get's into office.
I am getting really tired of watching Palin pick up dollar bills without using her hands.
That may be a novelty in Alaska, but I fail to see how it makes one "presidentiaable".
she should follow her own beliefs, and be seen and not heard
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
she should follow her own beliefs, and be seen and not heard
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
she should follow her own beliefs, and be seen and not heard
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
she should follow her own beliefs, and be seen and not heard
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
she should follow her own beliefs, and be seen and not heard
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
she should follow her own beliefs, and be seen and not heard
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
One more jab at Palin.........
Someone here mentioned she is a Christian missionary. Check out the Palin's tax returns. They made arond $250,000 last year. They gave LESS THAN 1% of that to charity. That's no missionary. That's disgusting. I know people making $40,000 a year who faithfully give 10% of their gross income to charity every year, and have been for a long time.
Again, Palin is no Christian as I was taught Christianity.
Palin's motto: "God loves you (some restrictions apply)."
Hey PalinforJesus:
Can you not see that Palin's Christian extremism is every bit as bad as Islamic extremism? There are good people of all faiths. But Palin isn't one of them.
And as far as getting a woman in the White House - sure - great - go for it. But we can't send Palin just because she has a vagina. She needs to have a brain too!!!!!!!!!!!!
You tell 'em, Paul Revere. You are exactly right.
I don't care what anybody says - Palin is as bad or worse than George Wallace. She is running around the country sewing seeds of hatred. She is no Christian. The people who make the biggest point of telling you they are Christians are NOT.
Keep it up Sarah. The election is pretty much in the bag, but go ahead and keep running your stupid mouth. Every vote you lose counts for us!
Obama '08
Sarah Palin is the epitome of this statement: when Fascism comes to America it will be carrying a Bible and wrapped in the flag.
I Support Sarah!!! Expensing is part and parcel of being a politician. Everyone knows that. I encourage all reasonably minded people to undo the negative reception found at http://www.howispalindoing.com and make sure a WOMAN makes it into the vice presidency. This is long overdue!!
Pure bullshit ! Palin is no leader of women. Most women don't earn the kind of salary she earns and they don't even get jobs like that of Paling. Moreover, I'm a true Christian and I know that Paling is NO TRUE CHRISTIAN but a god damned motherfucking bible thumping sellout just like the rest of the rightwing nazis. Don't worry buddy. Paling won't make it to Washington but you can run her up in 2012 and watch President Obama crush her harder than Raygun crushing Mondale in 1984 or even Nixon crushing Mcgovern in 1972.
Palin for Jesus...? is Palin running for Jesus? I thought she was running for VP
how are her carpentry skills?
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Nietzsche
Religion is a part of our humanity. Superstition is a trivialization of religion, e.g. tent revivals, literalism, fundamentalism, bowling for God, karate for Christ, and this political brand of religion is also a case in point.
which of palin's projected characteristics and mannerisms do some of you find as being most attractive? vindictive. condescending. insulting. lying. belittling. manipulative. deceitful. oh, and these are just the public projections. i doubt that any of us would really want someone in a national leadership position who carries that public aura about her. if she is qualified at anything, it is, as rsj suggested in a previous post, enticing the "knuckledraggers" of which there are obviously plenty around.
regarding the "insults" being hurled at her, some of you are obviously hurt by this. insults upset people. the truth hurts.
Just one question: If she’s doing so well as a Christian missionary, should she not be a Christian missionary rather than the Vice President of the United States of America—a heartbeat away from being president?
I guess when the chips go down in America, she will probably do the only thing she can. She’ll only pray for us rather than come up with ideas to set things right.
One more thing: Politicians like Sarah Palin, George Bush, and others need to quit using religion to get votes from the religio-crazies. Politics and religion are supposed to be kept separate.
I honestly don't know why people would find Sarah Palin attractive. Much of the time she has a smug, arrogant smirk on her face, her hairdo is ridiculous for a professional (I use the word loosely) middle-aged woman, her style of dressing is retro, etc. She was no beauty contest winner, by the way. She was a runner-up in a sparsely populated state; no big deal. Maybe she'll dye her hair blonde and get a face lift like Cindy McCain did. Incidentally, who is taking care of her young infant while she's running around the country making a fool of herself? Let's see........her son joined the military instead of going to college, her teenage daughter is knocked up; I doubt if Sarah Palin would win the Mother of the Year award. Sarah Palin is much to do about nothing.
The Congressional commission in Alaska found her guilty of illegally abusing her power as governor. So why aren't they removing her from office? And why isn't she getting sentenced to jail?
If God is such a big supporter of Sarah Palin, He needs to pay more attention and give her some smarts right quick. For a music video that trashes Alaska Barbie, go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2X9Ga6D4E.
Palin supports traditional moral values? I guess that would include fornication, adultery, treason, warmongering, using public funds to advance personal interests, habitual lying and vindictiveness.
Alex
All values held in high esteem by the GOP.
Look at the GOP. Its members exercise the exchange of favors between Government and corporate interests, at the expense of the environment and needful society (e.g., Ted Stevens, Tom DeLay, Jack Abramov, etc). Its members are racist. Its members are predatory homosexuals and pedophiles (e.g., Mark Foley, Bob Allen, Larry Craig, etc). Its members engage in cronyism and nepotism (e.g. George W Bush, DoJ/EPA/NASA hiring based on politics, not performance). Its members lie (e.g. the Iraq war/occupation).
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” --Seneca
I have faith in Sarah. She believes in the Big Daddy In The Sky, you know, the one who made us in His image. He must be pretty ugly if that's true.
Big Daddy also made cancer and tsunamis and earthquakes. He made just 'everything', you know, herpes, melanoma, halitosis, the list goes on!
And then, for a finale, he allowed business people to prosper, to shape our world, to control it. Yes, they are His Prophets of Profit!
My blog has more!
www.dangerouscreation.com
Small change. She is worth every penny, and more.
bligh4
Wow, a whole 600$ for her to go. Congress pays more than this for a hammer.
Palin is a Moose Limb and we don' wan' no damn Moose Limbs runnin' the gummint.
Down with Mooseolini!
I'm sure this sort of misuse of public funds for religious purposes happens all the time, but is rarely reported.
What does it say about the spiritual evolution of humans when so many of us turn to mythology and "faith" in order to feel OK about our existence, while ignoring real tragedy and evil all over the world?
Little to nothing was reported in the corporate media about the channeling of funds to fundamentalist & evangelical groups under the 'faith-based' initiative. A few books were written & got some brief attention, but millions of dollars were shepherded into the most tendentious churches whose social assistance was simply a veil for their active proselytization.
Americans United for the Separation of Church & State has tracked most of this, and have been busy filing many successful lawsuits over the last 8 years. Currently, a number of right-wing evangelical & Catholic groups are trying to drum up the 'we're being persecuted by the evil secularists' for their overt endorsement of McCain & others.
Sioux Rose
ARDEE: It's not about insulting the religion of others, its respecting the delineation between church and state which a lot of these so-called Christians cross with regularity. Not only is this woman proslytizing on the public dime, she advocates for policies that are a disaster to many, especially women.
RICH M asks why the hooplah. I think women expect higher standards of women. I know I do. That's because in giving birth, in being that close to the generation of life one has to (or should have to) develop more respect for the miracle. If a woman undergoes birth and as a result concludes any pregnant female must do likewise, that smacks to me of manmade rules, not the way of nature, nor the God given right of free will. She's just so OUT there with her beliefs and they are so opposite the concept of a separation between church and state. But of course these are people who only wink at "unitary executive," don't understand what it means that the checks and balances carefully arranged among three co-equal branches of functioning government have fallen apart, and do not see a contradiction between their rules-based congregations and the premise of free speech, free assembly, and free press. They validate their way or the not so high-way, and condemn the rest of us. Theirs is a god of vengeance and punitive responses... NOT the love of Jesus!
ARDEE: If indeed followers of Jesus followed His creeds, I, for one would be quite content. It's the misuse of Christianity and that it's been used in the air force to induce young people to think they are killing for a holy cause; you're damned right that troubles me!
What the abortion debate and the discussion about whether Roe vs Wade should be repealed is missing is the fact that abortion was never really illegal.
I am 72. That's old enough to remember when abortion was supposed to be illegal, when sex was never mentioned in schools, family planning was not spoken of in public, and there was no such thing as the "pill". I have never heard of any woman being arrested or charged with having an abortion. I few doctors were in trouble for performing them. That was it.
Back then, those who did not want an abortion didn't have one. The rich, as always, did as they pleased. The middle class budgeted for safe (albeit illegal) abortions and saw the law merely as an inconvenience. Meanwhile, the poor suffered.
Back then, information on family planning and birth control was simply not available to many people. Also, the poor did not have access to much in the way of medical care.
Nowadays, it is possible to plan to have or not have children. Most of the time this works. I frightened that groups that provide necessary information will disappear in this pro-life frenzy. Whether or not you believe that abortion is moral, family planning and access to it is crucial and, at the same time, the way to reduce the number of abortions.
Ruth K, I'm a few days shy of 69 and also remember those years. It seems these
"Christians" that want abstinence only refuse to realize that education would
reduce abortions. No one is going to stop kids from having sex, so why not
provide the necessary information for safe sex. (I know not having sex is the
only 100% safe sex, so you bible thumpers can refrain from telling me, but
untill you can assure me 100% of teenagers will not have sex, then that's not
a valid argument.)
As far as the "pro-life frenzy", does pro-life only apply to the unborn? I've
noticed that many of the pro-lifers are also pro-war, pro death penalty and
against any form of aid to children once they are born. Bush, McCain and Palin
are all pro-life, but I've noticed they all support killing women and children
in Iraq. While Bush was governor of Texas he NEVER once stopped an execution,
even laughed about some. Pro-life my ass! Pro-fetus maybe.
Pro-fetus exactly. Unless that fetus happens to be in a mother living in a country we are occupying. But yeah, once the kid is born, they're on their own as far as those people are concerned.
Roe vs Wade is for fools. In most countries in the world the issue of abortion is non-existant. It is a non-issue. It’s been made a big issue here in the US because the government wants to distract us from the real issues.
I only hope that those other countries do not emulate the US so as to distract their people from important issues.
For most part, America is a fundamentalist nation. Mullah Omar of Taliban would love to have followers like Enengelicals and anti-abortionists.
Legal or not legal, what's more important is the notion of freedom. Freedom of choice as well as the freedom of safety. Back-alley abortions are not safe and women having to make decisions in secret are not free.
Why does Palin attract so much attention?
It's interesting to observe the hysteria she has generated among Democrats. Sure, she's terrible, in almost every respect. But that's not the interesting question. The interesting question is, is she really any worse than GW Bush? He was just as inexperienced & ignorant as she is, when he stole his way into office. She's probably more intelligent than he is, & is far better at political stagecraft. She's a corrupt & ruthless reactionary -- but not more so than Bush.
I think the differences between Palin & GW Bush are not great, apart from personal style. The Bush clique has ruled the country for the last 8 years, without any opposition from the Democrats or the corporate media. So why is it that Palin is generating such apoplectic frenzy among Democratic voters? Is it simply that she's an attractive female? Is it mainly because her stagecraft skills are so effective, hence threatening?
If you look at it objectively, she's not very different from Bush -- the same Bush whose name the Democrats have inexplicably omitted from the current campaign; and the same Bush the Democrats have served on bended knee for 8 years, without so much as a spirited squeak of resistance. Furthermore, the Bush clique has already committed mass murder, torture, war crimes, shredded the Constitution & looted the Treasury. Why is Palin getting so much attention, while all this other far more important stuff is receiving almost no attention?
Could it be that Bush will be gone in a few months, so we will not have him to
worry about. As you say, "the Bush clique has already committed mass murder, torture, war crimes, shredded the Constitution & looted the Treasury", but
maybe, just maybe, if anything is left to destroy we can prevent Palin from
becoming VP (and probably President) and f^%king it up. Remember I said maybe,
because the Democrats have been nothing more than a rubber stamp to Bush. I
would disagree that "she's not very different from Bush". I think she would be
even more dangerous, because she really believes some of the things Bush just
says to keep the radical right happy.
A recent article, I think it was Patricia Williams in The Nation, references "The Handmaid's Tale": in the Republic of Gilead, it's the "Aunts" who are the equivalent to the concentration camp kapos (prisoners given power over other prisoners in exchange for certain priveleges). There are a significant number of Palins trying to herd the younger generations back into the kitchen & the nursery, after having themselves enjoying free choice & then, upset with their own choices, deciding to eliminate it for those coming after.
BTW, in case you haven't noticed, the mantra for the campaign is that McCain wants to serve Bush's third term; and all Republicans everywhere are trying to claim that they fought Bush on this or that small item.
It is especially insulting when those who want women barefoot and pregnant are career women who travel, have image consultants etc. Sarah Palin is one of those Aunts from the Handmaid's Tale, which is a wonderful book for understanding the most hypocritical sector of the Christian right.
Joe
Palin is scary to me because she is a woman, and women are a whole differnt breed than the male of the species.
In times like these, people (and the media) turn to god, abortion, guns and porn.
Keep your eyes on the MONEY people.
"traditional moral values" - This must be the "us versus them" and "might makes right" kind of moral values.
IT has to do with getting the conservative base out to vote. They whip out the abortion issue along with gay rights in every election, whether relevant or not. And there's not much we can do about this except hope that most voters see through this hypocrisy.
Peace
It is impossible to talk sense to anti-abortionists. They simply get trembly, with anger or anguish, and start talking about "Nothing is likekilling a poor little baby!" Ask how consistent it is for the 'pro-life president' to be torturing, invading civilian houses, committing war-crimes, and they shrug 'It's not the same'. Amy Goodman believes that, were the media to SHOW the pictures on broadcast media of all that our 'heroic' soldiers have been doing -- and every soldier took many of them until the recent ban on cell-phone cameras -- that people would not be so indifferent. I'm not sure. When so many devout people have such a non-response to real suffering, how can anyone dispute Marx's dictum that religion is an opiate?
bligh4
It's been my experience that argueing with pro-abortion or anti-abortion extremists is a waste of breath. Neither side will ever give an inch, and both tick me off.
Pardon me, but I don't think much of anyone is "pro abortion". What they are is believers in a woman's right to decide for herself what her own decision will be. It's not the gov't's decision, it's not society's decision, SHE is the one who will have to raise and support that child, frequently by herself. And since so many men are not willing to step up to the plate and do the right thing by those women, it's certainly not up to some OTHER man to decide what SHE will do, regardless of his position in gov't or a church somewhere. Neither of them is going to help her raise that child, either.
No one is out there telling women that they NEED to go get an abortion, no one is promoting it regardless of other options, and no one is being forced to get one.
Is there some place where the "it's YOUR business" crowd should let up? I don't see where that would be. It's a matter of where do you give up your rights to your own self determination? It's not like things like that are easy to get back once they are gone.
Almost amen.
Yes, it always was the strategy of the anti-women's rights groups to portray feminists as demons who wanted women to get pregnant specifically so they could have abortions, or that you had to do so in order to be really feminist.
On the other hand, whether or not a man is willing to support a child is irrelevant. Women used to have to beg off having sex with spouses -- "not tonight, I have a headache" -- because they were taught, and their husbands assumed, that it was immoral for them to refuse. And it's still taught in traditional circles. Within marriage itself, women's will in the matter was nullified: if hubby wanted a new poppet, wifey had to submit.
The whole "fathers' rights" movement is a new way of sneaking this old right over women by pretending that they now are victims if they get someone pregnant who doesn't want to carry the child to term.
I believe George Carlin was entirely correct. He said that these people are NOT pro-life or anti-abortion, what they ARE is anti-woman. Why else is life only "sacred" up until the moment of birth? After that, you're on your own and life is cheap.
George Carlin said the "pro" lifers were anti-women? Well ... if it took the great George Carlin to convince you - that's fine - but we women have been saying for decades that the drive behind the "pro" life movement was anti-women.
Juliann
Well forgive me for mixing some humor with knowledge. I certainly didn't mean to piss you off.
No need to get your panties in a bunch jfred - just making a statement. Calm down now. Deep breath. There. Good boy.
Your statement was insulting and haughty in an off-handed manner which adds nothing to the debate since you're attempting to elevate yourself into some lofty perch where you can smirk down at the rest of us.
We don't need anymore of that, if you can't play well with others than take your toys and go home.
Thank you.
Sioux Rose
GIA: I agree with your friend. We usually get our karma back through family members, and our children can be our worst critics.
Apart from the few thousand this unprincipled woman drums up at tax payers' expense is the far more dangerous possibility that HER beliefs will become the LAW of the land. AS the book title says, "It Can't Happen Here," is a false comfort when this exact species of narrow-minded, "God told me to do it" delusional species of mindset has in the past sponsored inquisitions, witchburnings, and other delightful "tributes" to "Jesus" in order to prove fealty. Their God is not one of peace, or love but of hatred & divisiveness. This is why I often suggest what they really worship is Mars. That of course explains the homage to the military which is the # 1 KILLER of babies worldwide... these people ARE clinically insane, but if religions attract millions of followers, the criteria that determines the absence of sanity go amiss, too.
So few people have read "It Can't Happen Here" -- which was unavailable in the US from october 2001 till September 2004, mysteriously -- but Sinclair Lewis' cautionary novel looks like prophecy: a dimwitted businessman is used by unscrupulous people to institute a fascist order, not witih swastikas but with the cross & flag, and the old yankee liberals, personified by the publisher of a small-town gazette, a slow & disbelieving and can't believe that Americans would be so quick to surrender constitutional freedoms in the face of some rabble rousing.
How can Sarah Palin be "pro-life" when her running mate John McCain dropped bombs on and killed innocent civilians -- including children -- in Vietnam, a country that was absolutely no threat to the U.S. or to any other country?? In Republicans' bizarre world, they love the embryo and hate it after it's fully developed and breathing.
Also, how can Sarah Palin be "pro-life" when she advocates shooting and killing Alaskan wolves (cubs included) from a helicopter? Such hypocrisy is so rank that most of the MSM keeps mum about this; it would contradict the image they are promoting of a folksy, good-natured Palin who wants the best for everybody. It would show the hideous monster hidden beneath Palin's cutey-pie exterior.
I'm a liberal Democrat but I have to say your statement makes me very, very frustrated.
First, we've been trying to gain the attention that Obama's relationship to Ayers is recent and Obama was 8 years old during the Viet Nam War and Ayers' participation with the Weathermen.
Second, McCain's obsession with bombing Iran NOW is much more germane to compare the so-called "Pro-life" Palin to such a monster.
I thought there was only one baptism for all Christians.
"I thought there was only one baptism for all Christians." Correct: The Nicene Creed says, "I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins."
This isn't the first time that American Protestants decided that Catholic baptism doesn't count. McKinley proposed to "liberate" the Philippines to bring "Christianity" to the natives—although the Filipinos were Catholic and had been so for generations.
Fundamentalists, pentecostalists & evangelicals all stem from the radical reformation sects, which don't believe in infant baptism.
Did you mean to say "cults?"
.There is no political capital to be claimed by insulting the religion of others. Here in America we are free to worship as we choose, just as we are obligated to allow others to worship or not as they so choose.
It behooves us to focus on the merging of the political with the religious as the real danger here. With a candidate as inept and incompetent as Governor Palin there is really no need to insult her on the basis of her reliogous beliefs.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I beg to differ these fundamentalist wing nuts are trying to shut down the teaching of basic science in schools like evolution and geology. They also demean homosexuals Muslims, and women who choose to choose, IMO they are am menace to any sane and rational civil society. They may have a right to believe what they choose and I ALSO have a right to call them out on their irrationality as a threat to our survival in the 21st century. While I wouldn't attempt to shut them down as they do to seculars like me I will call them out on their beliefs that make no more sense than Unicorn or Santa Claus always.
.If you see no difference between a rational argument and a diatribe then we have nothing to speak about...
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
What are you defining as a diatribe? Show me even one smidgeon more evidence for gods and goddesses than there are for Santa Claus and Unicorns? That to me is the very definition of rationality asking religious proponents to offer solid substantive evidence for their beliefs.
You may very well be right. However, in my own defense I must say that I don't pick out Palin for the insult, rather the insult is broadly meant for religion itself.
I have no problem with God. But God's fan club definitely gives me the creeps.
When I was swept up in evangelical fervor in high school, cults were a big issue; our youth pastor told us to watch out for the marks of a cult, and as he ticked off the items on the list I began to look around me & say "hey, wait a minute . . . "
Thank you for that, you've just made my Sunday a little more enjoyable!
P.S. If/when abortion becomes illegal it will be the republicans who will have the money to whisk their daughters or themselves off to clean medical clinics for safe abortions, and the poor will continue to die.
I recently had a ltr printed on the Cleveland Plain Dealer blog. A respondent wrote that it was too bad I wasn't aborted. There's "pro" life for you.
Well, that's the basic idea! The rich don't want too many of us riff-raff around to bother them.
How anti-abortion can a person be who lets slide an audience member who yells "kill him" and she keeps quiet? Or believes in blowing away God's creatures from a helicopter?
A friend who is a therapist for teens recently told me she believes Palin's daughter became pregnant to get out of that house. I said "you're kidding!" And my friend replied that with such a controlling household and a mother who probably isn't there physically or emotionally for her children - it would be the girl's only escape route.
How sad is this entire Palin affair - on so so many levels.
Obama/Biden.
I believe your friend might be right. In a family of such entitlement it is strange to see a son volunteer for the military and a daughter pregnant in her teens. Usually you see squalid little specimens like George Bush Jr. off to Yale where his father has purchased his admission in spite of his grades.
There's much more to this story than we know at the moment. But I swear for all intents and purposes they could have just as soon had the entire family on the Jerry Springer Show rather than on the GOP.
There are thousands of Palins all across the US. Since the late 60s religious groups have been filling up seats on city councils and school boards. It's no surprise that the big politicians will recruit from those ranks. The founding fathers were right in wanting to separate them. We blame extremist Muslims for our problems while we have extremist Christians right here in our home towns. Only in the United States of Everything.
Hoa binh
For those who consider abortion (legal or illegal) the only yardstick with which to measure a candidate are living in the twilight zone. It does not have any direct effect on how our government is run. For those who are against abortion but support war are disillusioned about the sanctity of life. And, as always the issue is distorted out of proportion as the majority of people agree that abortion is not the best answer, but the right to make that decision is a personal one. If a person definitely decides to not have an abortion that is fine, that is their personal decision. That is a good thing. But, what in heavens name does it have to do with running a country? Absolutely nothing!
Sure it does. If she becomes President, or even just as VP, she can very well impact Supreme Court appointments. That has a LOT to do with running a country.
Thank you! You are thinking of the Supreme Court appointments, as I am. It
seems few people consider what two or three "radical conservative" appointments
could mean to our country. Palin strikes me as being pretty damn radical.