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MoveOn Grows Up
What Started Online in '98 Has Transformed Liberal Politicking
NEW YORK - Five days after Sen. John McCain named Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, Quinn Latimer and co-worker Lyra Kilston sent an e-mail to 40 female friends and invited them to outline the reasons they were upset with his choice. It elicited such a huge response -- from friends of friends and utter strangers -- that they created a blog called Women Against Sarah Palin. In less than a month, it has become one of the largest hubs of online opposition to Palin, receiving more than 160,000 e-mails.
MoveOn members "tell us where to go. They lead us," says Eli Pariser, the group's executive director. (By Helayne Seidman For The Washington Post) "I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republican," writes a 65-year-old from Flagstaff, Ariz. "I am aghast at the choice the Republican ticket has made."
"As a registered Independent, I'd been holding out in deciding which way to go on this election. However, once I saw Sarah Palin being interviewed . . . it was a much easier decision," writes a 52-year-old from Los Angeles.
Along the way, Latimer got an e-mail from Eli Pariser, head of the liberal group MoveOn.org. Pariser knows about e-mail campaigns; he built MoveOn around them. And Latimer has been a member of the organization since 2000. When Pariser found out that Latimer and Kilston also live in Brooklyn, he asked them to brunch at Flatbush Farm, a local hot spot. Over eggs, oatmeal and coffee, he offered technical support from MoveOn. At one point, he even suggested that the women take time off from their jobs and work full time on the blog until Nov. 4. MoveOn, Pariser told the women, could raise the funds to pay them.
"I got to admit I was shocked by that," says Latimer, 30, an art editor.
Adds Kilston, 31, also an art editor: "We just kind of stumbled into this whole blogging thing."
The women decided to keep their jobs while maintaining the site. But now, with help from MoveOn, they'll use the e-mail list of everyone who has sent a note to the blog to send information about voter registration, phone call drives and house parties. And, to match their online activism, Latimer and Kilston plan to knock on doors for Sen. Barack Obama in Pennsylvania.
MoveOn, the enfant terrible of online politicking, is growing up, turning 10 years old last month. And it has become far more than a purveyor of vituperative e-mail blasts. During the 2006 midterm elections, for instance, the online organization -- with a full-time staff of 23, most of whom work from home -- spent $28 million advocating for Democratic candidates through its political action committee, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. In contrast, the National Rifle Association, with a staff of about 500 housed in its expansive headquarters in Fairfax, spent $11 million through its PAC.
As the battle between Obama and McCain heated up this summer, MoveOn witnessed its largest increase in membership -- adding a million new members in three months, bringing its total to 4.2 million.
Not bad for a group that started off as an online petition to stop the impeachment of President Bill Clinton. Created in September 1998 by Silicon Valley entrepreneurs Wes Boyd and Joan Blades, the petition asked Congress to censure Clinton and "move on" to other domestic issues.
"At first, we weren't sure what to make of MoveOn," says Paul Begala, then a senior aide in the Clinton White House. "But it became clear that the grass-roots power that MoveOn represents is what helped save us." In the years since -- through the group's virulent opposition to President Bush and the Iraq war -- Begala has regarded MoveOn as a "spinal transplant" that has reinvigorated the Democratic Party.
Perhaps that's an exaggeration. Democrats, after all, lost the White House in 2000 and 2004. It wasn't until the 2006 midterms that they controlled Congress. Still, political operatives in both parties agree that MoveOn is a singular force in Washington, unmatched in its reach and resources. For years, some Republicans have tried to create their own version of it, with little success. At the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., last month, Tom DeLay, the former House majority leader, bemoaned that the right has "nothing that looks like MoveOn.org," adding that the GOP is "still in denial about what the left has been able to do."
But what exactly is MoveOn?
Although it's not a formal arm of the Democratic Party -- and the group doesn't rule out endorsing and financing third-party candidates -- MoveOn has become synonymous with the party's left wing. It's not technically a lobbying group: MoveOn doesn't employ lobbyists who've mastered the ins and outs of Capitol Hill. It's more akin to an interest group, a la Emily's List, the pro-choice organization that supports like-minded female politicians, although Pariser says somewhat grandiosely, "We are not about serving our members' individual interests -- we are primarily serving a national interest." And though officials like to say that MoveOn's membership is as sizable as the NRA's, signing up to receive the group's e-mails is not the same level of commitment as paying dues to the gun rights organization.
But in an online networking era in which pols promote their e-mail lists as a symbol of their grass-roots strength, MoveOn's list is unlike any other.
The group is led by Pariser, a tall, lanky self-described computer geek, who grew up in Lincolnville, Maine, and graduated at 19 from Simon's Rock, a small liberal arts college in western Massachusetts. "Led" is a verb that Pariser would take exception to. The way he sees it, MoveOn members are in charge. "They tell us where to go. They lead us," the 27-year-old says of his organization. "It's not about having anointed leaders. It's about leveraging technology so people can help lead themselves."
He points to regular surveys that MoveOn conducts to take the pulse of its membership. One week, members deem getting a 60-seat, filibuster-proof Democratic Senate majority as a top priority. The next, eyes turn to the financial bailout plan. When MoveOn members voted to endorse Obama over Sen. Hillary Clinton days before Super Tuesday on Feb. 5, it was up to Pariser to call and tell Patti Solis Doyle, who was then Clinton's campaign manager.
At the Democratic National Convention in Denver, where MoveOn hosted a packed soiree attended by the likes of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom and comedian Sarah Silverman, the group seemed part of the very establishment that it criticizes -- a charge that Pariser rejects. To the McCain campaign, Obama and MoveOn are inseparable. "It's hard for Obama to claim any pretenses of bipartisan outreach when he gladly accepts the help of partisan special-interest groups like MoveOn.org," says McCain spokesman Alex Conant.
Pariser's political activism also began with an e-mail. After the Sept. 11 attacks, he sent a note to a group of friends, urging them to contact their elected officials and ask for a restrained response to the tragedy. The e-mail turned into a petition, eventually signed by more than half a million people online. Two months later, MoveOn called with a job offer.
Guided by Pariser, MoveOn began to make its mark by raising money online -- lots of it.
"When we started MoveOn, there was this standard model of how candidates are elected. Say I'm a candidate and you're a political consultant. You put me in a room, you give me a list of rich donors to call, I make calls and raise, what, $2,000 checks. Then I hand the $2,000 checks to you. You make ads with it. You take a healthy cut. You put those ads in the air -- that's how elections are won. At no point during that process does it matter to anyone other than the rich donors what you actually stand for," Pariser says.
"There's a different model now. It was the [Howard] Dean model. It's now the Obama model. You can say things that inspire people and get lots of people to contribute just a little bit. Twenty. Fifty. Maybe, who knows, even a hundred. Then instead of being accountable to a small set of rich donors, you're accountable to a large set of everyday donors."
The money has afforded MoveOn so much pull that it's hard to find a prominent Democrat who will openly criticize the group's tactics and positions. "Elected officials don't want to offend them and lose their money, right?" says a party strategist who refused to be identified. MoveOn, he adds, "is like a big-party donor, so they get treated that way. . . . A lot of people in the party who used to have more power don't like that they are losing juice to the likes of MoveOn, but they also realize they can't have the power they have without them."
Throughout this campaign cycle, MoveOn has raised nearly $33 million and expects to hit $38 million before Election Day -- money spent buying ads for and against candidates and funding get-out-the-vote efforts. All that money has led to more influence. And to more criticism when the group stumbles.
For instance, MoveOn was repudiated by Republicans and Democrats alike in September 2007 when the group ran an anti-war print ad in the New York Times that questioned the integrity of Gen. David Petraeus, the commander in Iraq. "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" read the ad. Republicans introduced resolutions condemning the ad that easily passed in both the House and Senate.
Pariser defended it at the time. But now, more than a year later, he says he "would have worded the ad differently."
"MoveOn is still evolving, still maturing, still learning what its boundaries are," says Tad Devine, a longtime Democratic consultant. "But make no mistake about it: This election might be decided by a few votes in a few states. . . . Having those hundreds of thousands of people communicating with each other through e-mails, energizing the base, can make the difference."
Beyond Hitting 'Fwd:'On Aug. 29, just hours after the Alaska governor became the first Republican woman on a national ticket, MoveOn sent an e-mail to its members titled "Who is Sarah Palin?"
"Yesterday was John McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated," read the e-mail. "And after months of slamming Barack Obama for 'inexperience,' here's who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency."
That became one of the most forwarded e-mails in MoveOn's history, Pariser says. (The group can count how many people click on the link in the e-mail.)
Two weeks later, on Sept. 10, MoveOn sent another e-mail, this one titled "Disgusting."
"John McCain and Sarah Palin are repeatedly deceiving, manipulating, and flat-out lying. And polls are showing that some of those lies are convincing voters," the e-mail began. "Palin says she opposed the 'Bridge to Nowhere' -- when in fact she fully supported it. McCain says Obama wants sex-ed for kindergartners -- when he voted for a bill to protect them from sexual predators."
That e-mail raised $1.2 million within 24 hours, Pariser says, the most a MoveOn e-mail has raised in a single day.
"In a way, Palin's selection was yet another wake-up call, another reminder of just how high the stakes are," says Pariser. "A lot of people have said that she's energized the evangelical base. Well, she's energized the liberal base, too. Our energy level went way, way up."
The challenge for a maturing organization is to move beyond forwarding e-mails and facilitating online donations. Can MoveOn persuade independents and Republicans to cross party lines? Is it increasing voter turnout in swing states? How can it avoid being reduced to parody? A recent headline in the Onion, for instance, read "Obama Deletes Another Unread MoveOn.org E-Mail."
Those are the questions in the minds of critics such as Clay Shirky, author of "Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations." Sending an e-mail to your congressional representative is so easy that it has "become effectively meaningless," writes Shirky.
Shortly after the book came out, Pariser asked Shirky to lunch. On the day of the meeting, Shirky Twittered: "I'm going to lunch with MoveOn. If I don't Tweet again in two hours, they had me killed."
"Eli sees MoveOn as a community-organizing platform that happens to run e-mail campaigns," says Shirky, recalling the conversation. "I'm inclined to think of them as a message and fundraising organization that does some community organizing. They do some, but they can do so much more."
In the past five years, Pariser has beefed up the group's offline strategy. In addition to airing pro-Obama TV ads, the group will spend about $5 million in field efforts this cycle.
MoveOn collaborates with political scientists at Yale who are studying the impact of its canvassing and get-out-the-vote efforts in 2004 and 2006. In 2004, about 70,000 members went door to door in 12 states trying to increase voter turnout. This year, Pariser estimates that about 200,000 will have gotten involved by Election Day in more than a dozen states.
MoveOn is also holding hundreds of "Call for Change" house parties, at which members call voters in swing states. On a recent Sunday night, MoveOn members made half a million phone calls in two hours. They urged supporters to volunteer for the Obama campaign -- and, in classic MoveOn style, posted photos on Flickr of themselves talking on their phones.
The Communications Hub"I give it a 55-45, with Obama winning," Pariser says from behind his standing desk in his home office. Thomas Jefferson and Donald Rumseld, he notes, had standing desks. "I somehow picked up that trivia."
He got up at 6:20 a.m. on this late September day, went to back-to-back meetings in the afternoon ("with other online advocacy groups," he says, repeatedly declining to elaborate), then hurried home, which is a cramped two-bedroom apartment in Brooklyn where he sometimes has to jiggle the toilet handle to make sure the water stops running. He lives with his wife, Lindsay, a human resources manager for a construction firm. They married in June.
"When I told people that MoveOn turned 10 today, many said, 'What? Ten years ? It feels like it was yesterday,' " says Pariser.
"But to me, it feels like it's been decades since 2001 when I first started getting involved. That was such a different world. In 2001, online organizing wasn't really on anyone's radar. There was no YouTube. No Facebook. No group of liberal bloggers, no Net roots. And Bush? Bush was absolutely ascendant. . . . The Democrats were in absolute disarray."
"Don't get me wrong -- a lot can change between now and November 4th. Obama can lose," Pariser says. "But here's the thing: Independent of the Obama campaign, in our own lives, through our own networks, we're doing everything we can to win this election. Back in 2001, people felt alone, like there was nothing you could do to get involved. Not anymore. People are finding each other. People are communicating. People are pumped up.
"What happens in our in-boxes doesn't just stay there."



36 Comments so far
Show AllIt would be truly unfortunate if the first comment was from some disgruntled Purist, and said something like: MoveOn? How about MoveAway!
Actually, I worked with moveon.org in 2004--I wanted to get rid of Dubya. It did not work. They tried very hard. Kerry just threw it away.
This year, if you will not pl;edge total suport for Obama, you will not be with moveon. Thats fine. I like thsee guys.
But, the Governor and Sec.have fixed alot of things in Ohio--but, they still dont have enough poll workers. I wil not be allowed to help (I wouldnt cheat on any election, especially this one, because I dont want either duopoly candiate), because, unless I'm a t-shirt wearing "member", I cannot be trusted.
Go figure. You guys should also be looking at what FUX News , and the neo-cons are doing with ACORN. They may have had, at least, one person who was not honest--but, if the Dems dont get on them (the neo-cons), they will end us disqualifying alot of eligible voters.
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You see, we are not the enemy.
"I am not the enemy, though
You call me one, you may make me so."
snydly
PICTURES SPEAK A THOUSAND WORDS. AS PALIN AND THE REST FIRE UP THEIR INVECTIVE AND RACIST ATTACKS THEY ARE EXTREMELY VULNERABLE. THEIR FACES---faces---GIVE UP THEIR INNER-MOST FEELINGS AND SUB-CONSCIOUS POISONS.
ASK ANY MIME...THEN LISTEN CLOSELY.
SUGGEST--GO OVER THEIR APPEARANCES FRAME BY FRAME--TO GLEAN A CHENEY-ESK FACE PRINT AND THEN JUST RUN IT AND RUN IT WITHOUT COMMENT.
THE WOLF BEHIND THE SHEEP'S CLOTHING WILL BE REVEALED.
"ASK ANY MIME... THEN LISTEN CLOSELY." ??? (LOL!!)
Good on ya Eli and MoveOn!
Can we please "move on" to repair the capitalist machine's self destruction so it may turn more quickly and exploit us more viciously in the future? "Thank" YOU!
What has MoveOn accomplished in ten years?
NOTHING.
Except strengthen the right by pretending to be an opposition force on the left.
Except get Democrats elected who are actually right wingers who aided and abetted each one of Bush's crimes.
Virtual opposition amounts to nothing. Virtual opposition keeps people from hitting the streets, which could actually accomplish something.
THANK YOU FOR NOTHING, MoveOn.
Applause
MoveOn sounds a lot like Billy Blowjob and African American Clinton
Stupid purists, with their opposition to war and torture. Look how Saintly they think they are! Oooh! They care about the constitution and civil liberties! They don't want to give trillions of dollars to Wall Street and the Pentagon! They want health care that is not a commodity. What's their problem? Can't they see the shades of gray? Don't they understand, like MoveOn does, that compromise means giving up everything that you believe in? Don't they understand that in order for Democrats to win elections they must support only Neo-conservative policies?
Of course they don't, they're crazy purists. They probably supported impeachment. Wackos.
Bravo !
I want to be next to you on the barricades when we take it back
Me too. I love your voice. In my mind I'm hearing the Monty Python Seargeant Major, "Well Naoo, 'as ennybuddy else got somethin' they'd rahther do than marchin' up an' down the squaeh?"
Ten years and no accomplishments.
Do we have single payer? No and Barack Obama is against it and wants to keep HMOs and their market dominance in charge of health care.
Have we shifted from empire? No and Barack Obama supports increasing the military budget.
Have we ended talk of the phony war on terror? No and Obama wants to escalate this fiasco by pouring gasoline on the fire that is Afghanistan.
Have we shored up Social Security? No Obama buys into the phony meme that it's about to collapse.
Have we converted to solar energy? No Obama is pushing dirty 'clean' coal and failed, tax payer sucking nuclear power.
Have we gotten rid of standardized testing and merit pay? No Obama wants both.
I mean, I could just keep going on and on...
Barack Obama was for single payer before he came out against it.
There you go again... letting the perfect be the enemy of the revoltingly inadequate. tsk. tsk. tsk.
It's almost as if you'd rather let our government self-destruct and die because you're unwilling to put a feeding tube up the nose of this Terry Schaivo body politic.
Sheesh! Grow up! Get a job! Can't you taste the difference between Coke and Pepsi? Can't you see that one is far preferable to the other? But no! You'd like to chuck both cans of soda thru the screen of your TV and drink a beer!
You just don't get it do you?
I keep hearing people talk about MoveOn's accomplishments. But, in typical Democrat fashion, they provide no supporting information. Instead, all you see is attacks on anyone who dares to speak against one of the Democrat's sacred cows.
What exactly has moveon accomplished?
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Vote Democrat. Then you can everything just exactly like it was with the Republicans, but without Bush.
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Or maybe it's just a big crap shoot. Maybe Obama's only saying all that Corporate Party B.S. so he doesn't get shot before he takes office and then, once he's in office, he'll prosecute the Bush war criminals, torture Gonzales, shoot Cheney in the face, nationalize the Federal Reserve, forgive the national debt, institute single-payer universal health care, fire every agency manager who fired a legitimate whistleblower and give their jobs to the whistleblowers, put the global warming denier pseudo-scientists in outsourced Russian mental hospitals, repeal the PATRIOT act, repeal the MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT... hell, fuck it, just repeal the last eight years of legislation entirely... and impeach Bush's supreme court appointments.
I mean if you listen to Bush's stump speeches from 2000 and compare it to his actual performance on the job... I'm just saying it wouldn't be impossible for Obama to playing the middle to get elected and then tell us how he really feels after he's SAFELY in office. That game can be played two ways, right?
And if not, then we take to the streets only then.
The Democrats will be the new conservatives.
The Greens will be the new liberals, and
The Republicans will be the new third party.
Dream big, folks. Hope sincerely. Demand real change.
What in the hell does any of this even mean?? Youre telling THEM to grow up??
You Obama supporters have to stop the "there you go again" crap. It just keeps reminding me of al the kind comments Obama made about Reagan.
Hey, Clark Kent, pop quiz:
What's the difference between Coke & Pepsi?
BOTH GIVE YOU CANCER & DIABETES.
So, ultimately, what's the difference? Other than nuanced niceties? Nothing really.
If you wanna refute something, don't be a coward. Actually substantiate your whining.
Otherwise, shut up.
You just don't get it, do you?
Yes, exactly, you got it... but you may be taking this joke a bit too far :-)
MoveOn provides some valuable activities to move things forward. Part of their activities are the dissemination of useful information that help people make intelligent choices.
In this spirit, the article noted below might be of interest:
"Obama's Scottish, Cherokee ancestry has meaning"
Oct. 8, 2008
http://jointreconstudygroup.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamas-scottish-cherokee-ancestry-has.html
As long as MoveOn, AirAmerica,NovaM are the face of liberalism, Liberals are without public representation
Wouldn't it be great if MoveOn, AirAmerica, NovaM were replaced by real liberal bedrocks so that Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, etc. had a public podium from which they could be heard regularly, to combat the silencing of our leaders by the corporate media
MoveOn
Please do
Nader is beyond the now-dead liberal/conservative axis. For example, he's been supported by Green, Reform and independent voters. The only axis of any meaning whatsoever today is up/down.
I'm glad MoveOn has matured and changed. Many here have shown that they won't.
Liberalism is where progressive ideas go to die. If it weren't for liberals cleaning up after conservatives, failing to impeach or ARREST them, fattening the pig for another slaughter, the country would demand real progressive change for the working/middle-class: single-payer health care, free education to the PhD level, paid maternal/paternal leave, a shortened work week, etc.
MoveOn is a corporate-funded partisan-hack organization, apologists for the Democrats in name -- whoever the hell they put forward as a candidate, and wholly independent of any cohesive political ideology. But that's the problem when the MOB rules a country and dominates both parties.
Most of us moved on from Moveon a long time ago.
Alas, MoveOn is just a funding arm of the Democratic Party. It saps the passions that people have for a better world and converts them into cash for the Party.
MoveOn also is not an anti-war organization as this article assests. They have "other priorities." The war, of course, is what must be ended at all costs, but not as far as MoveOn is concerned. They stay mute on the subject because the Democratic Party supports the wars.
It is total bullshit that the membership tells MoveOn what to do. It is a highly top-down organization. Don't support it or participate in it. It is a substitute for true organization and democratic participation.
-TIA
Yes, "total bullshit that the membership tells MoveOn what to do." All they have is that totally dysfunctional web site where the best member feedback is supposed to rise to the top, only it's got so many bugs and gross design flaws that it mostly ends up reinforcing the earliest posts and half the time if you try to add something it goes into the bit bucket. It's completely craptastic.
I think so too, which is what prompted my unkind first comment. But then, perhaps I haven't matured as MoveOn and others have.
Agree with all of this, and these are largely the comments I came here to leave as well.
I find MoveOn to be just an agency of the Democratic Party. They always move in lockstep with the Democrats. And its hard to think of any time in 10 years that they've opposed the Democrats in any serious way.
They say they might fund 3rd party candidates. But, in the 10 years they've been around, I can't think of a single time they've done so. If this was serious reporting instead of a fluff piece, that would have been the obvious question for the reporter to ask.
Moveon does not listen to its membership. And anyone who's been paying attention knows how MoveOn does very biased polling of its members. They've done polls where they only give the Dem party line as an option, and then when only a small fraction of their members come back and support that, they claim that this is what their membership wants, even though something like 90-95% of their membership wouldn'r respond to their biased 'poll'.
Moveon is useless. I had been a member in its early days, and had made a small contribution. But when it became obvious that they would never oppose the Democrats, I left. I'd encourage any others to do the same.
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I agree. I worked with them in 2004--I mean, it waas so obvious who the better nominee was then! All I could think about was getting W out! It didnt work.
I was never much for Kerry--but I still thought he would win. Maybe he did. The Dems would never have the balls to investigate ot.
They called me the other day, about "helping to elect Obama". You know, the people that keep sayng what "Third Party People"--(beat Third World, as the duopoly wants)--are doing--if yo go to the websites, they are trying to do alot. The truth is, that, most of teh major "groups", if you are not fully supporting Obama--you will be "locked out" of the "system". To them, all the misery the Dem Party has wrought can be blamed on a few peopel who"refuse to get with the program" of neo-liberalism.
The end of the article is telling.
MoveOn is supporting a candidate in Obama that opposes what large swaths of Moveon's membership would want.
End the wars ... no, Obama wants to expand them.
National Heath Care ... no, Obama supports the insurance industry
Hold Bush criminals accountable ... no, Obama opposes prosecuting Bush's crimes
Don't let Wall Street steal $800 billion more from us ... no, Obama supports Wall St.
But then at the end, he talks about 'winning this election' by helping Obama win. The key point to realize, is that while a Democrat win might be a 'win' for Democrat party hacks like this who want power and influence, its really a loss for the rest of us.
If Obama wins, we lose. Just like if McCain wins, we lose. MoveOn's main mission these days is to make sure we lose. They work hard to help the Democrats maintain their block on any real change.
We've got to learn to identify our friends and our enemies. MoveOn is an enemy just like the Democratic Party is an enemy.
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
MoveOn is, for lack of a better word, a bitch organization.
"Although it's not a formal arm of the Democratic Party -- and the group doesn't rule out endorsing and financing third-party candidates"
...that's a total crock of shit. If there was any consistency between the values espoused by MoveOn and the candidates they support, they would have nothing to do with the Democratic Party.
Ditto what some others said. What the hell has MoveOn accomplished? Allowed liberals to toss away money on an organization that ultimately doesn't back up its rhetoric?
Please.
If MoveOn had any integrity and commitment to principles at all, they'd be helping Cindy Sheehan oust Pelosi. That is, if they weren't just Democrat tools.
For all those spewing venom towards MoveOn; do you remember what the political and media landscape was like before they were on the scene? The Right Wing Noise Machine was in full effect and there was no national movement of any importance to even attempt to counter their perfidy. To expect an organization to exactly carry out your every wish and desire immediately is truly unrealistic. Remember, politics is the art of the possible.
Remember, sellouts turn practical into impossible, leaving us with MoveOn instead of a springboard for real change
but thanks for the propaganda
And what precisely have you done to improve the situation other than bitch here? If you don't like what MoveOn has turned into, why don't you and your cronies form your own organization and try to do something? Or is the actual hard slog of doing something too difficult while typing on to a keyboard is much easier?
It is easy to be a loud mouth, it is hard to be doer. Which are you?
"Probitas laudatur et alget" Juvenal