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Technorati'Hillary's Women' Reject McCain's VP Choice
America's largest women's rights organisation delivered a snub to Sarah Palin's history-making candidacy yesterday by endorsing Barack Obama and Joe Biden's bid for power.
![[The National Organisation for Women, along with other prominent women's advocacy groups, have decided to endorse Barack Obama and Joe Biden's bid for power, snubbing Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin (above). (Getty Images)]](http://www.commondreams.org/files/article_images/palin45.jpg "palin45.jpg")
The National Organisation for Women (NOW) is 500,000 strong and hugely influential. The feminist organisation almost never supports a presidential candidate, but the Alaska governor's Christian fundamentalist faith and her opposition to abortion rights has forced its hand.
Other women's rights organisations are also campaigning against Governor Palin, pushed along by a spontaneous anti-Palin movement among women.
In Alaska at the weekend, a Welcome Home rally for Mrs Palin was dwarfed by a demonstration organised by Alaska Women Reject Palin, which was held on the lawn of a downtown Anchorage library.
After triggering a huge surge of enthusiasm for John McCain's campaign and sending him into the lead over Barack Obama, Mrs Palin has come under intense scrutiny from the national media. The investigation known as "Troopergate" threatens to expose her as a bullying governor who fired Alaska's de facto police chief for family rather than professional reasons.
The controversy moved up a notch yesterday when Mrs Palin's campaign team announced her refusal to co-operate with the Troopergate investigation because it was "tainted" by politics.
NOW's decision to back Senator Obama when a woman is within striking distance of becoming elected is a bold step for the group and a setback for John McCain's hopes of luring the millions of women who supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries.
"The addition of Sarah Palin gave us a new sense of urgency," Kim Gandy, the head of NOW, told National Public Radio. "She is being portrayed as a supporter of women's rights... as a feminist when in fact her positions on so many of the issues are really anathema to ours.
"A lot of women think it's a great thing for a woman to be running for vice-president," she continued, "but they are completely dismayed when they find out her positions. The idea that she opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest - those kinds of positions are completely out of step with American women and once they find out about those positions, they get a little less excited."
Last week, Alaska legislators ordered Mrs Palin's husband, Todd, as well as her chief of staff and deputy chief of staff to answer questions at the Troopergate inquiry. Several years ago, Governor Palin's sister went through a custody battle with her ex-husband Trooper Mike Wooten. Efforts to sack Trooper Wooten failed and Governor Palin sacked the safety director Walt Monegan instead. Mrs Palin's refusal to co-operate with the panel could raise more doubts her suitability as a national candidate in the minds of voters.
The governor's creationist beliefs have also emerged as a hurdle. In Wasilla, where she cut her teeth as a Republican mayor, the Rev Howard Bess, a Baptist minister and author of the book Pastor, I am Gay, says his work was on then Mayor Palin's "hit list" for removal from the town's library. "People in city government have confirmed to me what Sarah was trying to do," he said.
Another Wasilla resident, Phil Munger, a music composer and teacher, says she pushed an evangelical agenda in the town. "She wanted to get people who believed in creationism on the [school] board. I bumped into her after my band played at a graduation ceremony at the Assembly of God [a church]. I said, 'Sarah, how can you believe in creationism - your father's a science teacher.' And she said, 'We don't have to agree on everything.' I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."
Mr Munger also asked Mrs Palin if she believed in the End of Days, the doomsday scenario when the Messiah will return. "She looked in my eyes and said, 'Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime'."
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Show Allgreenls: we're on the same page :)
Sarah Palin was chosen so that when the Republicans steal the next election, they can say it was due to a late evangelical "surge" in support of Palin. That is the only reason she was chosen. She brings nothing to the ticket, is obviously clueless about foreign policy, and is an End Times wacko. God help the American people.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6392
McPalin? Disgusting. They are setting America back 100 years and consigning women's rights to the septic tank. It is time we showed up Sarah Palin for what she really is - an ignorant, ill-educated, bigoted religious fanatic with last-century's views on birth control ("abstinence only" sure worked well for Bristol, don't you think? Kind of like the rhythmn method, only not as reliable), abortion, women's rights and a host of other issues. She's a disaster; McCain is beyond hopeless, and anyone who supports these two needs professional help in the worst way. I'm a product of the 60s as well, and I agree with "Won't Get Fooled Again" 1000%. Fight back now, or expect another revolution which I will support wholeheartedly. Let's take our country back, for God's sakes.
Gail M
I can't agree with you more or said it better than you did above.
I am also an older female. And this Palin person is an insult to women. She is an idiot and arrogant and sounds like she is very much like our current president.
We certainly don't need more of that. Eight years is more than enough.
I'm a smart old woman past childbearing who has daughters, granddaughters and nieces and I sure as hell won't be voting for McCain/Palin!
Lots of us "older women" are children of the 60s and 70s and "we won't be fooled again"!
peace, I know you're smart. I didn't mean to sound condescending towards older women. Not all are dumb of course, only the ones who will vote for McCain because they wanted Hillary as nominee and are sore losers.
Loved your comment. "Older women", indeed, and smart as well.
John McInsane was hoping for the sore losers vote after Hillary lost to Obama, so he chose a woman --- ANY woman.....LOL I guess those dumb old women who are past child-bearing age and don't care about women's rights anymore will vote for Cruella.....er, Sarah.
Someone made a comment about everyone in Alaska having the right to own guns like Sarah Palin does. Not everyone there owns guns; only hunters own rifles. If a person doesn't go into the woods in grizzly/wolf country looking for trouble, they don't need a gun. Wolves aren't aggressive, by the way. As for shooting moose to eat, there's no need for that anymore as Alaska DOES have supermarkets. Sarah Palin kills animals for some strange kind of thrill.
Thanks GreenIs for your statement about guns in Alaska. I had noted below that my sister (who was always against guns, is now defending Sarah's guns) made a statement that if i lived in Alaska, I would have a gun also.
It does really prove how much she knows (or should i say does not know) about Alaska or about Sarah.
gerimay, you're quite welcome. Actually I think I should clarify something about wolves. They can get aggressive if they're hungry, of course. I wouldn't turn my back on them or go into the woods without a gun. Grizzlies are man eaters and are pretty dangerous. I wouldn't go into the woods in Alaska unless I had a gun and a dog with me. A good size dog usually scares them off. I'd shoot at a threatening animal to scare it off first, and if it was obviously close and going to charge me I'd shoot it. I'd try to avoid killing it, in other words. Animals have the right to live in their domain as much as we have the right to live in ours.
Hi again Greenis --
You had stated -- "I'd try to avoid killing it, in other words. Animals have the right to live in their domain as much as we have the right to live in ours."
What a beautiful statement. I love animals and I agree they have a right to live also.
Thanks for that beautiful thought.
If I lived in Alaska, I'd prefer a flamethrower over a gun.
Salia: not too bad?
The Palin resume : beauty pageant contestant, local weather girl/woman, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000
people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people,
and now qualified to become the country's second (or first) highest ranking executive. Lest I forget: hockey mom, potential book banner, creationist, religious fundamentalist,pro-gun,anti-environment, end-times believer. But she is plucky and able to see Russia from her state.How bad can that be? I hope we don't find out. But as Sarah says she's going to fix what needs fixin'!
Sorry, I meant "whole."
Wise move by NOW. Here is some thought food for all women voters. Given his age and medical history there could be a less than fifty per cent chance John McCain would, or could, complete a four year term as president.
Considering her lack of experience and extremist positions, there is probably less than a fifty per cent chance that Governor Palin would, or could, be a popular president. What the women of America do not need is a woman president that turns out to be a total failure. Should that happen, it could be decades before another women has her shot at the presidency. Hilary Clinton has worked for nearly four decades for the advancement of women. A vote for Palin is a slap in the face for Hilary and all those other women, both in government and business, that have labored so hard.
I'm an eight one year old male. A former long time resident of Alaska and a former State of Alaska employee. Friends up North tell me that we have not yet heard the whole story of Governor Palin. Particularly in the area of her extreme religious beliefs. Think to the future, ladies, in casting your precious vote. We appreciate your desire to see one of your own take that step up but ask yourself this: Even though it's well past time for that step, do you have enough confidence in Governor Palin to successfully take that step?
Generally speaking, as a hole she's not too bad.
"Mr Munger also asked Mrs Palin if she believed in the End of Days, the doomsday scenario when the Messiah will return... she said, 'Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime'."
That alone is sufficient reason to remove Palin from the ticket.
If that's true, ie if she actually believes what she says, we're all toast.
maybe she means Jesus, her Mexican gardener?
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Check this out, it was on the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC last night...especially read the little note at the end of the article.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/troopergate_palins_shifting_st.php
What's with all the photo's I see of her?????? We are always looking up at her! Are they trying to tell us something here??????? That she is Presidential material????? Or she is an elist like de Rothchild accuses Obama of being????? Personally I think it's the later! She made a speech in my home town and didn't have to answer one question from the listeners. It reminded me of George Bush who is obviously king of the elists who thinks he doesn't have to answer to anyone or anything.
That is a good point - considering that she is short, you'd expect her to be looking up like a hamster at a water bottle. There is a certain amount of control in how she is portrayed.
The thing with the multiple stories is that there is so much information out there that many who don't follow these things will not know what to believe and just dismiss it all.
Congrads on NOW for organizing so quickly behind this issue.
The last thing the U.S. needs is another elitest at the helm! Say what you will about Obama/Biden - their recorded votes on the war and off-shore drilling - they are better suited then the very scary McCain/Palin! I'm a woman who is frightened by the likes of Palin & what she is capable of if she were to become president by an unfortunate default! Please! Don't be fooled! She is a wolf in sheep's clothing and should NEVER be allowed close to highest office in the U.S.!
Looks like Mr Karl Rove's plan on getting Hillary supporter has BACKFIRED!!!!!!!
The worst thing about Palin is that by choosing this degenerate, apocalyptic, armageddonist freak, McCain is making Obama and Biden look normal.
The left mustn't be fooled. Democrats are still no alternative to Republicans, never will be, regardless of who's running for VP. Don't forget that Obama voted to fund the war, voted for the FISA bill, he's in favor of more drilling and flip-flopped on abortion. This an even worse record than Palin's.
Nader '08.
Obama and Biden have always been normal.
"Non-cooperation is a measure of discipline and sacrifice, and it demands respect for the opposite views."-Gandhi
(Palin) Religious fanatic hockey mom vs. (Biden) Iraq war hawk and drafter of the PATRIOT act.
To be fair, I'm sure Palin would have voted the same as Biden. But while people are swooning over Palin, Biden gets a free pass. Even though his actual record as the sixth-longest serving Senator is far worse than her (minimal) record.
I guess the PATRIOT Act and the war have become passé next to all the titillating gossip about helicopter wolf-hunting.
My gripe that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the Palin family is apparently holding a shotgun wedding for Bristol and not, it would seem, considering adopting her baby to a more mature couple. To me, that would be the more responsible "pro-life" response, rather than forcing this child to marry a child in order to give their child a "name." What's suddenly wrong with adoption? What could be more honorable?
What's suddenly wrong with adoption, you say? Adoption should take place only when there are absolutely no other choices available. If this young girl gets the support of the baby's father, and the support of her family, the most "pro-life" choice would be for her to keep her own baby. For her sake, and for the baby's sake.
What do you think women are? Do you think they are like dogs who churn out litters of puppies that can be given away? Do you think women don't have deep maternal feelings after carrying a child in their body for 9 months and then giving it birth?
Have you ever thought about the pain and sense of loss a young woman goes through when she is coerced/pressured into giving up her baby? There are now thousands of support groups for women who were coerced/"persuaded" to give up their babies. These women never got over it. They carried their grief in silence throughout the years and often it manifested in self-destructive behaviours such as drinking, drugs, etc. For most women, giving up a baby leaves a deep wound.
Since laws have changed the past few decades, there are tens of thousands of women searching for the babies they had to give up - and thousands of adopted children searching for their original, first mothers.
Seeing as the Palin girl is so young, the entire family can give her support bringing up the baby. This way, the baby will stay where it belongs - with its natural mother and with its own clan and not 20 or 30 years later start searching for his/her mother and clan, just as thousands upon thousands are doing these days.
Your attitude about adoption being the "honourable" solution is a little too cavalier, and quite frankly, cold and insensitive.
Adoption is a crap shot - you don't really know what the baby is getting into. I know there are a lot of people who consider themselves more entitled to a woman's baby than that woman is herself - and that is why they are against affordable day care and any program which will allow a woman to make a go of it.
At 17 and with family support (grandpa Todd seems like he would help out), there is no reason why Bristol should not be allowed to keep her baby. HOWEVER, this is the wrong time for Bristol to marry.
A shotgun wedding is not in Bristol's best interest. It will only make the guy resent her. Even if they were both living together for years before this happened (and negotiated a life together) this would cause an adjustment in their relationship. Bristol has not had a chance to negotiate a relationship with this guy and now has to focus on caring for a child rather than what she wants out of the relationship.
Let her have the baby and get used to being a mother. Then, if they are still together she can think of marriage.
I have nothing against single mothers. But I think that pregnant women should not marry.
The second reason is that prego weddings make the baby responsible for an adult decision. If it goes wrong, it is the baby's fault. If they wait, then Bristol and what's his name are responsible for the decision to marry and can't blame anyone else for it.
The only reason marriage is in the cards is because of Palin's reputation as a bully. But Palin is undermining the sanctity of marriage by insisting that her pregnant daughter have one. Marriage should be entered freely and be based on love and commitment - not entered into so as to bestow "respectability" onto a pregnant woman. Marriage should not be a punishment and in this case it is being used as one.
It is more pathetic for Bristol to be married to someone who cheats on her left and right (because he resents her) than to hold her head up high and raise her child and continue with her education.
Further to Grandpa Todd - he isn't going to be working on an oil rig in Alaska if his wife is living in Washington and there is not much game to hunt there either (though I would not put it pass him to cook up a couple of pigeons). Todd will be looking after his own son so would be in an ideal position to look after his daughter's child as well.
Even if this isn't the case, Palin is still Governor so it will be Todd looking after Trig and the grandchild - as it should be.
The good news is that Palin, who was brought in to rally the radical redneck religious right, has also rallied the progressive forces who had cooled to Obama in light of his shift to the right. This woman's character flaws are eerily similar to George W Bush's, and it is no surprise that the clueless souls who still think he is doing a marvelous job support her.
Alex
I will continue to rail against the "The Party". That includes Obama. Yes, I am focusing upon the Palin-McCain ticket at the moment because it so badly needs the light of day... but make no mistake. The differences that I perceive in Republican and Rupublican-Lite are so slim that you can be assured that My vote will go to neither... unless I decide to opt for a protest vote. I have not yet ruled out that option.
Obama proved without a doubt that he does not want my support. It is too little, too late for anything he could say or do. The damage has been done.
Don't count on it.
In the fampouse words of Dan Ackroyd
"Sarah, you ignorant slut. I may be against abortion, but in your case, not only would I go back in time and urge YOUR mother to have an abortion, I would perform the procedure myself"
classic SNL
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Sarah Palin has a very short shelf life. That's why she's been publicly obscure since the RNC. Her next public appearance is going to be an interview with Sean Hannity. He'll be drooling all over her.
HELP !!
I am stuck with an imbecile sister who thinks she may vote for Palin because 'she is a beautiful woman'. And this same sister always hated Bush and doesn't like guns. But now all of a sudden she states 'you would have a gun too if you lived in Alaska'.
DUH !!!!!!!
How can my own family be so dumb ???????????
ps - this same sister (who happens to be a nurse) voted for a Republican once because he was married to a nurse.
Talk about a dumbed-down electorate. Everyone laugh !!!! SICK, isn't it ????
I can't laugh at that. My Grandma is voting for McCain out of spite because Hillary isn't running. She really likes Hillary and won't hear a thing against her.
gerimay,
Talk to her about the economic issues and ask her if she is ok with a Dick Cheney with a skirt named "Palin". Also, ask her how she can support a neocon female who's for killing millions of women and children here in America and all over the world especially in Iraq and Afghanistan.
If you ever figure out how to change her mind, please let us know. We are all dealing with a few relatives or friends who persist in this type of airhead, lazy thinking. The mother of one of my friends supported Hillary because she liked the way she looked, period, end of story. No discussion was possible. It is much easier to converse with someone who disagrees with me based on some issue or political view than trying to fight the vapor you describe.
Joe
Bring up the economy and the war in Iraq and ask them what they think of Palin's actual stands on those two. They'll listen. Don't talk to them about women-only issue. You can't win on the opposition's turf.
I'm sorry for the loss in your family, my condolences.
I would have a gun if I lived in Alaska...so I could shoot myself in the head.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Re: Open Letter to Sarah Palin
Will the real Republican presidential candidate please stand up? No, not you, Sarah Palin. You’re just the vice-presidential candidate, remember? The presidential candidate is this old guy--a war hero, a long-term government official, and a nice fellow in a way--who keeps switching back and forth on the issues. Now that he has you, Sarah Palin, he can bask in your newfound glory.
I understand that you and McCain are banking on your picking up Hillary Clinton supporters. If Lloyd Bentsen were alive today, he might put it this way: “Senator, I served with the Clintons. I knew Hillary Clinton. Hillary was a friend of mine. Governor Palin, you’re no Hillary Clinton.”
When the new wears off, the American public will come to realize that one of the few things you and Hillary Clinton have in common is internal plumbing. That will not be enough to overcome the vast differences between you and Hillary on the numerous important issues of the campaigns: health care, the economy, the environment, global warming, big oil, endangered species, abortion in cases of rape or incest, and the wars.
I also seriously doubt that Hillary Clinton would support aerial hunting of wolves, offering a bounty of $150 for each right front leg of freshly killed wolves, or oppose the listing of polar bears as an endangered species. Hillary is not under investigation for abuse of power.
Hillary Clinton wants us to vote for Barack Obama. I was planning to do that before she suggested it. So that is just what I plan to do.
No one is above the truth, even Palin
Did Walt Monegan, former Marine, and lifetime crime fighter deserve this? Of course not.
But history has proven, get in the way of Sarah Barracuda's political ambition, and you won't know what hit you.
If anyone should be on the hot seat, it's not Monegan, but Palin for her inconsistencies.
The governor has given so many different reasons for firing Monegan I've lost count. From the "we need new direction" and "new energy" to "he wasn't hiring enough cops," to "he wasn't doing enough about alcohol in the bush" to "he lobbied for budget increases" to the latest version, which is a doozy; Monegan displayed "egregious rogue behavior."
Anchorage Daily News
http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/528420.html
Thank-you Bill from Saginaw! Thank you NOW!
2MaMa
Huzzah, Bill from Saginaw!!!! You tell it like it is! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your clear presentation of the truth.
If McCain-Palin wins we may all see End Days.
If Troopergate were a "nothingburger" why wouldn't the uber honest Palin cooperate with the Bipartisan group that is handling the investigation? She's not yet in a really powerful position yet already placing herself above the law.
The investgation is not "politicized"; it started before she was chosen.
When you work in government(which I do) you cannot use your power to address personal matters, no matter how egregious an employee's behavior you simply cannot "get rid" of those who offend you,hurt you or your family or fail to support your agenda. If I charged per diem even once and stayed home I would likely lose my job.If I divulged personal information to a relative it would be the same consequence.These are just some of the things Palin alledgedly did. Americans have a right to know the truth BEFORE she is elected not after.These allegations speak to her integrity and are relevant(or should be)to the American people.I can only imagine how heads would roll once she became VP, or President.The fact that McCain's "people" would try to stall the investigation smacks of obstruction of justice to me and is an insult to Americans.
It is is totality of what Sarah Palin stands for that should frighten liberal and progressive Americans.
"If John McCain's top economic adviser doesn't think he can run a corporation, how on earth can he run the largest economy in the world in the midst of a financial crisis?"
McCain's economic adviser out of limelight after gaffe
By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Thursday, 18 September 2008
Carly Fiorina's planned TV appearances were cancelled after her embarrassing remarks
The public face of John McCain's campaign on the economy disappeared from public view yesterday after she queried whether he and his running-mate, Sarah Palin, were capable of leading a large US corporation.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mccains-economic-adviser-out-of-limelight-after-gaffe...
Remy Germain September 17th, 2008 8:17 pm
"If John McCain's top economic adviser doesn't think he can run a corporation, how on earth can he run the largest economy in the world in the midst of a financial crisis?"
Carly Fiorina can't run a company either. She jumped ship after running Lucent into the ground and then ended up getting fired from Hewlet Packard. And now she's McCain's top economic advisor? It would be a big laugh if it weren't all so sad.
Lobo Gris
Sure sign of stupidity: voting for Republicans because Palin is on the ticket. Terminal stupidity: voting for Republicans knowing aforesaid Palin believes she'll see the return of Jesus in her lifetime -- which means in her mind the rest of us are going to hell in her lifetime -- and that it's a good thing.
Palin is a red herring
In literature, a red herring is a narrative element intended to distract the reader from a more important event in the plot, usually a twist ending.
The term "red herring" originates from the tradition whereby young hunting dogs in Britain were trained to follow a scent with the use of a "red" (salted and smoked) herring (see kipper). This pungent fish would be dragged across a trail until the puppy learned to follow the scent. Later, when the dog was being trained to follow the faint odor of a fox or a badger, the trainer would drag a red herring (which has a much stronger odor) across the animal's trail at right angles. The dog would eventually learn to follow the original scent rather than the stronger scent.
In literature, the most commonplace use of a "red herring" is in mystery fiction. One particular character is described or emphasized in a way that seems to throw suspicion upon that character as the person who committed the crime: later, it develops that someone else is the guilty party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_(narrative)
I wouldn't call NOW feminist, but that probably very nicely sums up the state of feminism in America if NOW nowadays is termed a feminist outfit...
Not that ANY of the Obamaniacs deserve this endorsement, one does remember very clearly their sexist smears (also right here on CD) of Hillary and how little, i.e. nothing, Obama did to stop them. It served his purpose, after all.
In the face of Palin, though....which just shows that "feminists", I wouldn't call NOW that, though, have more sense of fairness and more of an ability to tell right from wrong than any of these frenzied and nauseating Obamaniacs ever had re Hillary Clinton.
I am one of those ObamaManiacs HillaryManiacs write about, an educated elderly white woman. For once in my 62 years I really like a candidate but I fear the HillaryManiacs are going to ruin the Democrats' chances when the country desperately needs them. There were other candidates I liked in the past, most recently Bill Bradley, but when he lost I moved on. Sometimes you lose and you move on. I wonder what HillaryManiacs teach their children when they lose.
Hillary mania is a code word for racism. HillaryManiacs never mention that there are women ObamaManiacs. Every HillaryManiac I have talked to -- about 50 or so in round numbers -- in my home town are racist and blatantly admit it, to me, to my face, as though I am stupid and one of them. Is that the legacy the Clintons want?
I don't understand why everyone is so surprised that McCain picked Palin. I knew he was going to pick a woman, why not, when the news is all about the HillaryManiacs. The HillaryManiacs made this election about sex. I am a female and that angers me. I worked hard for everything I have achieved in my life, had to work very hard since I am a child of a conservative mother with values like Palin, but I never used my sex to get ahead. Some HillaryManiacs seem to forget that there are many, many conservative women -- I am assuming HillaryManiacs are liberal/progressive -- and now there may be a conservative woman in power who may destroy all the advancements of the women's movement, science, etc.
I vote for the most qualified person not based on sex, race, and that person to me is Obama. No, I do not agree with him on everything, but he certainly is/was more prepared on Day 1 than Hillary is/was. Because of the HillaryManiacs we now have to deal with Palin. And, yes, many HillaryManiacs will be voting for Palin just from talking to HillaryManiacs. Will the Democrats ever learn?
"one does remember very clearly their sexist smears (also right here on CD) of Hillary and how little, i.e. nothing, Obama did to stop them"
Well, actually Obama and Joe Biden, afgter readin one of my posts (right here on CD), discovered my home phone number, and called me one night to ask me to stop making sexist Hillary remarks....
dumbass.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
I'm not surprised. It was not Obama that made the sexist reamrks. Many people were asking him to ask his supporters to stop it. It was in his best interest.
He is/was alot more open to criticism than some o fhis supporters give him credit for. I was part of hte group that used his website to discuss FISA--until he voted FOR it. But, at least he was open to it. His supporters are generally not so open. I dont think that it helps him/
I'm not surprised. It was not Obama that made the sexist reamrks. Many people were asking him to ask his supporters to stop it. It was in his best interest.
He is/was alot more open to criticism than some o fhis supporters give him credit for. I was part of hte group that used his website to discuss FISA--until he voted FOR it. But, at least he was open to it. His supporters are generally not so open. I dont think that it helps him/
Palin is the biggest break the Dems have gotten yet! Notice how objections to Obama-nation are suddenly off the news?
Don't fool yourself. You make assumptions that are based upon wish-fulfillment. Self-delusion is a terrible thing to overcome.
I rail against all of "The Party"... Republicans and Republicans posing as Democrats. Obama does NOT deserve to lead this country.
And neither do McCain and Palin. We don't need four more years of Republican bullshit and mismanagement.
This End of Days thing is scary. These religious fanatics are willing to destroy the Earth in the hopes they will be saved. Of course they are against abortion but are willing to kill 6 billion people so Jesus can come and take their hand for doing good deeds on the Earth.
Get real.
Go to the top of a hill and look out and ask if it's all worth destroying. If repugs (and dems for that matter) offered something more than hope, the fanatics wouldn't be praying for better days or end of days.
NOW and Palin don't agree on women's issues so of course they're not going to support her. NOW and Planned Parenthood aren't perfect but I am eternally grateful that they actually helped my niece overcome her anxieties when dealing with pregnancy and her husband even donates to both of them. Moreover, they helped her force her employer who refused to give her maternity leave to come clean since that benefit was included in the company's benefits package. Most "Christian Conservative" rightwing lunatic groups would have told my niece "screw you". These rightwing religious groups "love" Palin for being just that.
This kind of criminal behavior by most companies often goes unnoticed these days and don't expect the media to cover it 99 percent of the time. Most companies will do just about anything to put profits over principle and morality first. I'm glad to hear that your niece made it through. The way companies try to get around giving employees their benefits when they need them the most is one of the reasons why most companies will invent excuses to lay off those employees and then give those jobs to the illegalized or outsource them overseas. And then they with the GOP will blame the immigrants for taking the jobs when the blame lies square with the companies and the policies.
Why was her Employer denying her Maternity leave?
Her employer was denying her maternity leave because she was pregnant and then busy taking care of a baby, so she couldn't work. Same reason for denying sick leave - the person is sick and is not contributing to the company. Same with pension.
The only thing I would say is that personal leaves from work can be difficult for small low-profit companies. I believe we need a social security a approach to health and family policies to help small businesses and those who are self-employed.
Joe
I read an Article that said Conservatives are Happier People than Liberals...I'm starting to see why...your hearts are full of hate
I pity you...I really do
When you have an argument with a Leftist, you are not really discussing the facts. You are threatening his self esteem. Which is why the normal Leftist response to challenge is mere abuse.-unknown
You're just wasting your time posting righwing nonsense without even thinking. You're fooling no one but yourself. People like to think differently around here. I see you have a problem with that. You're convincing no one around here to be a Republican hack such as yourself. Just because you got lucky by fluke despite cheating and lying in your life doesn't mean it will work for everyone.
Being a self-righteous rightist can feel fun at first but most of us are fools such as yourself. In fact, a lot of folks who used to be the self-righteous hate-monger have learned to show respect and understanding. Your kids obviously hate you unless they don't bother trying to think.
When you have an argument with a Rightist, the Rightist does not prefer facts but lies. You are threatening his feeling of dominance. Which is why the normal Rightist response to challenge is mere abuse. Conservatism is a mental illness that has damaged this country more than enough.
Perhaps conservatives seem happier is because "ignorance is bliss"
Actually, not all conservatives are happy. In fact, if conservatives were really happy, they wouldn't be desperately finding ways to keep their lies of hate and selling out alive. The conservative ideology has peaked out and is in decline just like oil. That's what is probably ailing Snowy like a mental disease.
Like you ever cared to learn. Show some respect for other people's events, sir.
what was disrespectful about that question?
It was disrespectful because you don't try to learn anything. You are wasting our time, CD server space and bits and bytes along the bandwidth.
Joe
sir!!
This Troopergate nonsense is getting plain silly
I see everyone here scream bloody murder about bad cops and this one was a textbook case...
These are the facts:
he tasered his 10 yr old stepson
drank beer in his police cruiser
shot a moose illegally
threatened to kill his Father-in-law
Tell me that wouldn't get you fired from any police department in the U.S.
By GENE JOHNSON |Associated Press Writer6:22 AM EDT, September 16, 2008
"The state police investigated these charges and substantiated all of them. Col. Julia Grimes, then head of the Alaska State Troopers, suspended Wooten for 10 days and wrote, "The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession."
Don't like her views on abortion?...thats fair...critique away
Don't like her religous views?...thats fair...
Don't think she's experienced enough?...thats fair but she's more experienced than the Dem nominee
but this Troopergate story is a nothingburger
Actually, my experience is that the police brotherhood would've protected the poor little defenseless policeman. No matter what he had or had not done. They watch out for their own... at any expense.
True or not, Palin has continually tried to overstep her bounds. Her religious views are as vapid as any I've seen in the last twenty years, perhaps more so. Her political experience is NOT a big talking point. Yeah, she was mayor of a town of seven or eight thousand... big effing deal. It doesn't take much to get elected in the lower 49 states. What makes you think that it takes any more in Alaska? Her experience is limited to deciding which bank to deposit her oil dividends into or which animals need killing at any particular moment. And, as for her geriatric running mate, the G.I. John McCain, I can only hope he has stockpiled plenty of Depends and Metamucil. We wouldn't want him starting a war because he was chaffing or wasn't getting enough fiber. They're both full of shit.
When the last of the ice melts, and you look at the handful of straws that you've desperately clung to for so long... do you think you'll be able to float?
Palin is a fascist clown... if she was just a common variety Republiclown, I might be able to "ignore her ignorance". However, red-neck bully as leader of the free world doesn't translate except as "candidate clown"... with puppet strings.
sorry to color your snow yellow, snowtroll, but she's a joke.
If the Police department had fired him after internal investigation that is acceptable.
However when a governer (or her aids) called for an officer to be fired that is crossing the line. Just think what she will do as a VP
We can not afford 4 more years of Cheney
The financial meltdown authored by Senator Graham has done the job that 1,000,000 Al-Qaida's were unable to do
Only a miracle can help us now
he tasered his 10 yr old stepson SO? COPS TASER EVERYONE
drank beer in his police cruiser WHO DOESNT? ITS LIKE CRACK ALMOST
shot a moose illegally WOW, CALL 911, A MURDERED MOOSE
threatened to kill his Father-in-law WHO HASN'T?
And of course, whenever a cop drinks beer in his cruiser, it is up to the Governor to ensure that he is immediately fired.....
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Her brother-in-law and her actions are both wrong, however, there is a different level of behavior expected from a state Governor than there is from a patrolman. It seems that her behavior was compounded in the firing of the head of the state patrol and then when that was challenged, she began her cover-up rather than come clean with her mistakes, and then compounded again by stone walling the investigation. It seems so much like the Nixon-Agnew days that it is almost quaint. It is the belief of many that she will be up to the Bush-Cheney level of deception in short order. Her bald faced lies seems to have surprised no one; her lies about her lies though seem to be rather childish. For those who choose four more years of Bush Cheney, well, Palin and McCain are already wearing their manteau.
Enough is enough
End Republican Rule
Amen, brother. Amen. Four more years of Republican bullshit and subterfuge will only mean more death and debt for an already beleaguered America.
Vote independent! The two major parties have screwed U.S. for much too long. It's time to clean house in Washington DC.
"Troopergate" matters because it is an example of how Palin operates. There were and are ways for her to have dealt with an errant cop that would have been legal and appropriate. Palin chose to go another way. If she chose to go another way on this it is reasonable to consider it likely that Palin would handle other situations with the same kind of autocratic process. In and of itself "troopergate" is not national news, but in this context it is relevant.
I agree and go one step further.
Palin's reaction to troopergate, refusal to cooperate with the investigation, mirrors the Bush administrations legal sensibility in obstructing justice. At least she's pretty in your facedly about it, Obama won't give you half a clue until he's ordering a twentieth the US population be detained or spied on.
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And if she were a Democrat, you'd be calling for her to step down. Just let her get investigated and if she's clean, what do you have to worry about? You remind me of Richard Nixon and his "I'm not a crook" bullshit. I guess he could have waited 32 years to run for office. At least back in the 1970s, the GOP and Democrats weren't a bunch of rubberstamps.
If the investigation weren't being led by Obama's Head Cheerleader in Alaska I would agree with you...I wish it were a Federal Case and we could send the FBI
It depends on what you mean by the word "if".
Like I said, if Palin's clean, then you have nothing to worry about. Thank you for admitting that Palin is not clean. You're too much of a partisan coward to learn. Besides, that case belongs to the state, not the federal. And both Republicans and Democrats are investigating Palin in that state and you have no proof that Obama's connected to any of those investigators.
Arguing with you is so fun because you're so uninformed....
According the Washington Post
Alaska Rep. John Coghill wrote in a letter dated Friday that Democratic state Sen. Hollis French "appears to be steering the direction of the investigation, its conclusion and its timing in a manner that will have maximum partisan political impact on the national and state elections."
(French told Newsweek that he regretted some of his public comments but that he refuses to step down.)
The man overseeing the “investigation,” Sen. Hollis French, is the bald guy near the back (fifth from left, by the Obama ‘08 posters
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/AKHQBlog/2008/07
That doesn't prove that he has any ties to Obama. I'm with Fred on letting Palin show that she's clean and that the charges are unworthy. If Palin's held accountable, get a better VP for your party. How hard is that?
I just coke-spritzed my monitor laughing
yup...nothing to see here...move along
The following Alaska elected officials are supporting Senator Obama’s campaign for president:
State Senators (8)
Bettye Davis, Anchorage
Johnny Ellis, Anchorage
Kim Elton, Juneau
HOLLIS FRENCH, ANCHORAGE
Lyman Hoffman, Bethel
Albert Kookesh, Angoon
Joe Thomas, Fairbanks
Bill Wielechowski, Anchorage
Since that issue belongs to the state, let the state duke it out. If you are a "libertarian" as you claim to be, you'd be respecting STATES' RIGHTS and not get so fidgety about Palin somehow being the target of "Obama supporters". Give it up already.
Alright toro, let's get one thing straight. You say she's a strong woman right? Then let her fight this case and show her worth. If she can survive those fires you're so worried about, then she might qualify. Otherwise, you're just as silly as Hillary Clinton was in 1998 saying that the accusations against Bill was all part of a "right wing conspiracy".