Palin Would Support War With Russia
And on the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, she appeared entirely unfamiliar with the Bush Doctrine, the central foreign policy tenet of the current administration, which asserts the right to wage preventive strikes in the aftermath of such terrorist attacks.
Palin made her statements during an interview with ABC "World News"
anchor Charles Gibson in which she was pressed on her foreign policy
credentials and knowledge. Additional Gibson interviews with Palin will
be broadcast today on ABC.
Palin said she favors admitting Georgia and Ukraine to NATO. Asked if the United States would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia when it was a NATO member, Palin said, "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.
"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," she told Gibson. Russia invaded Georgia after the ex-Soviet republic invaded the separatist region of South Ossetia.
Palin said she had insights into U.S. relations with Russia because "they're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska ... from an island in Alaska."
During the interview in Fairbanks, Alaska, Palin acknowledged that she had never met a leader of a foreign country and that she had visited only Canada and Mexico before a trip to Kuwait and Germany to visit U.S. troops last year.
"But, Charlie, again, we've got to remember what the desire is in this nation at this time. It is for no more politics as usual, and somebody's big fat resume that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment, where, yes, they've had opportunities to meet heads of state."
'Ready' to serve
But she insisted she was ready to be Sen. John McCain's vice president - and, if necessary, president of the United States.
"I answered (McCain) 'yes' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink," she said.
Throughout the interview, Palin appeared prepared, though she stuck to carefully constructed talking points. In one segment, asked to explain what the country should do if Israel struck Iranian nuclear facilities, she repeated three times that the United States cannot "second-guess" what Israel must do to defend itself.
But she seemed off-balance when asked about the Bush Doctrine - which includes preventive war, spreading democracy to eliminate terrorism and brandishing power to force other countries into line.
Asked if she agreed with the Bush Doctrine, she asked, "In what respect, Charlie?"
Said Gibson: "What do you interpret it to be?"
Palin: "His worldview."
Gibson: "No, the Bush Doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war."
Palin answered that she believed the president "has attempted ... to rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying our nation."
After Gibson informed her of the doctrine's definition of "anticipatory self-defense" against any country that might attack the United States, she replied: "If there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."
Asked if that meant a right to go to conduct cross-border attacks from Afghanistan without the approval of the Pakistani government, Palin said, "We have got to have all options out here on the table."
Palin - who has spoken in her church about U.S. troops being "on a task that is from God," was asked if she believed the United States is fighting a "holy war."
Quoting Abe Lincoln
She deflected the question and said she was merely quoting Abraham Lincoln, adding, "I would never presume to know God's will."
On other issues, Palin appeared to do a sharp turn on the issue of man-made global warming in a part of her interview broadcast on "Nightline."
In an August interview with the conservative Web site Newsmax.com, Palin said, "I'm not one, though, who would attribute (global warming) to being man-made."
But asked Thursday whether she believed man had a role in it, Palin said:
"I believe that man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. ... Regardless of the reason for climate change, whether it's entirely, wholly caused by man's activities or is part of the cyclical nature of our planet - the warming and the cooling trends - regardless of that, John McCain and I agree that we gotta do something about it, and we have to make sure that we're doing all we can to cut down on pollution."
The interview will be broadcast in three parts over the next two days. ABC's "World News," "Good Morning, America," "Nightline" and "20/20" will all feature the interview.
The broadcasts will include biographical footage of Palin and coverage of her 19-year-old son, Track, who is scheduled to be deployed to Iraq this week.
Prior to Thursday, the GOP governor was virtually inaccessible to reporters on critical issues like national security, terrorism and the economy.
In the week since she accepted the nomination at the Republican National Convention, Palin has stuck mostly to the script reprising her widely praised speech - and has not taken media questions when appearing at the side of her running mate.
The protective cocoon surrounding her has provided a sharp contrast to GOP presidential candidate McCain, who has had a generally warm relationship with media at his events, where he has welcomed their questions.
The McCain team has created a "truth squad" to protect her from charges in the media. And it has surrounded her with seasoned Bush operatives and media handlers to prepare her for Gibson and the coming debate with Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden.
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218 Comments so far
Show AllJust what the world needs...another warmonger! But then...only in America.
Hi Nam, ____ we will always be friends.
Thank you, thats a good thing ; - )
Namaste
Hi LOGO nine.
I suddenly came down with "Giant Cell Arturitis", or tempora arturitis again Aug 16 and almost lost all vision in my one good eye. Our daughter is an eye surgeon, hense the new blogger name ~I Kare~. She has me taking 80-mg of steroids every day for the next 60 days, the only treatment that will help, and the piils to maintanin sugar levels due to the damn steroids. She saved my eye, which I have always used ot used to stare at the gals and now also read and write stupid stuff here at Common Dremas.
Gotta have fun even at our age and ~Leggo~ is my favorite pastime after petting the cat.
As to being serious about the coming electioon? I honestly have a very hard time with it. We do not have any decent chioces, just who is the worst, not who is the best.
Hi ~ K E M ~,
I glad that you've recovered enough for your eyesight ( and of course humor ) to return, and I'm sending you well being and healing thoughts to aid combating the nasties of bloating and steroid side effects.
Bless you for the good foresight to have such a good family physician.
My heartfelt apologies for being so confrontational, and letting my pent up anger out, as I really was mostly doing it playfully w/o animus and the desire for you understand what sort of impact our words have on each other. I have far too few friends to be pushing any away, although I do understand that your belief and congruence of actions ( and friends ) about AGW is primary. I'm OK with that decision, and wish you and yours the best.
Namaste
We may not even get to the part where Mrs. Stalin, I mean Palin (who sees a terrorist behind every tree) becomes a threat to humanity.
Right now, nuclear strategic Russian bombers have landed in Venezuela and the U.S. ambassadors of both Venezuela and Bolivia have been expelled. This is in direct response to Neocon efforts to revive the profitable Cold War in Georgia before the Chimp leaves office. The Black sea is full of U.S. warships and no doubt shotgun dick is in a bunker somewhere plotting another false flag emergency "drill". These "wargames" or "humanitarian missions" as our trigger-happy administration calls them; are a dangerous prelude to war in my humble opinion. Since they couldn't go ahead with war in Iran, they're going to let the dogs of war loose somewhere else....
Chavez claims he will cut off oil to U.S. and if Russia does the same, although it would cost them, it will impact world prices. The problem as I see it is, that's just what the chimp and his oil-well Texas buddies want: more oil company profits while they can still extort what's left of the American middle class.
We will be lucky to survive the next six months not to mention the next four years of corporate war..... Meanwhile, back at the boob tube, Americans are glued to important events on American Idol....
It's a mad mad mad mad world.
wcdevins: Interesting post. I have talked to several different people who visited Russia this year and they said V. Putin was well liked and had a 70% approval rating. I met a truck driver last month originally from Poland and we had a brief conversation about those two countries. He was back there about two years ago and said many old-timers preferred the communist system then the pro-western capitalist rat race.
Getting back to Palin, the Christian funDUMBentalists, the Zionist Lobby, and the adolescent-minded death and destruction misanthropes in the Pentagon who want to destroy Russia, the "blowback" to the US will be horrendous if we launch an attack against the Bear. American hubris and stupidity is at an all time high and political ignorance is pandemic throughout the land. People still watch and believe the propaganda from Fox and the other unworthy news stations.
Never before in our nation's history have so many books, magazine, and internet articles been written exposing the crimes and corruption of this administration these past eight years. Nobody should be in the dark concerning the subversion of government and dismantling of the Constitution and our "cherished" Bill of Rights by the Republican Crime Family and the Democratic Party collaborators.
If People are willing to vote for the fascist/imperialistic agenda of McCain and Palin, (and I'm not a fan of Obama), they'll get what they deserve and it won't be nice.
wcdevins: Interesting post. I have talked to several different people who visited Russia this year and they said V. Putin was well liked and had a 70% approval rating. I met a truck driver last month originally from Poland and we had a brief conversation about those two countries. He was back there about two years ago and said many old-timers preferred the communist system then the pro-western capitalist rat race.
Getting back to Palin, the Christian funDUMBentalists, the Zionist Lobby, and the adolescent-minded death and destruction misanthropes in the Pentagon who want to destroy Russia, the "blowback" to the US will be horrendous if we launch an attack against the Bear. American hubris and stupidity is at an all time high and political ignorance is pandemic throughout the land. People still watch and believe the propaganda from Fox and the other unworthy news stations.
Never before in our nation's history have so many books, magazine, and internet articles been written exposing the crimes and corruption of this administration these past eight years. Nobody should be in the dark concerning the subversion of government and dismantling of the Constitution and our "cherished" Bill of Rights by the Republican Crime Family and the Democratic Party collaborators.
If People are willing to vote for the fascist/imperialistic agenda of McCain and Palin, (and I'm not a fan of Obama), they'll get what they deserve and it won't be nice.
A McCain/Palin Win = Doomsday
"Based on?"
"Perpetual war and global warming?"
"Unless?"
"We elect someone president who's going to dismantle Empire-USA plus turning things around here at home."
"And then what sort of world?"
"It'll be up to us."
i miss jcrumb..........but i'm glad to see vaudree back.
A nuclear war:
I think anyone of you who is old enough to remember the AIR RAID drills and sirens going off at night. Plus watched the shows about the effects of a nuclear bomb hitting a city understands it would be insane to want to start a war where it could end up in that scenario.
One fact I always remember is that is a 20 megaton nuke bomb hit a city of 2 million people this is what would happen. The people who lived just outside that you are dead zone that get burned there isn't enough burn unit beds in all on North America ( Mexico, USA, Canada ) to treat these people and that is one bomb on one city. This isn't even taking into account the cut, blind, or the accidents on major roads, falling glass from buildings. Imagine 20 or 50 or 1000 cites like that?
Anyone who votes pro war must be stopped in this election if the world wants to live.
I love the photo at the top of this article, showing Palin & McCain "embracing." From their facial expressions, these two would rather drink turpentine than kiss each other. I guess they are both so despicable they can't even stand each other.
Yes when the Vacuous meets the Adamant,
__ their own natures abhor each other
__ that stoney insufferable absence of
__ S _ E _ N _ S _ E __
__ that mutual perception of __ D _ E _ C _ E _ P _ T _ I _ O _ N __
Namaste
Re: Open Letter to Sarah Palin
Will the real Republican presidential candidate please stand up? No, not you, Sarah Palin. You’re just the vice-presidential candidate, remember? The presidential candidate is this old guy--a war hero, a long-term government official, and a nice fellow in a way--who keeps switching back and forth on the issues. Now that he has you, Sarah Palin, he can bask in your newfound glory.
I understand that you and McCain are banking on your picking up Hillary Clinton supporters. If Lloyd Bentsen were alive today, he might put it this way: “Senator, I served with the Clintons. I knew Hillary Clinton. Hillary was a friend of mine. Governor Palin, you’re no Hillary Clinton.”
When the new wears off, the American public will come to realize that one of the few things you and Hillary Clinton have in common is internal plumbing. That will not be enough to overcome the vast differences between you and Hillary on the numerous important issues of the campaigns: health care, the economy, the environment, global warming, big oil, endangered species, abortion in cases of rape or incest, and the wars.
I also seriously doubt that Hillary Clinton would support aerial hunting of wolves, offering a bounty of $150 for each right front leg of freshly killed wolves, or oppose the listing of polar bears as an endangered species. Hillary is not under investigation for abuse of power.
Hillary Clinton wants us to vote for Barack Obama. I was planning to do that before she suggested it. So that is just what I plan to do.
Maybe she meant this quote?
“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right” - Abraham Lincoln
or this one?
"Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure. - Abraham Lincoln
but she should have read this one before the interview:
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Arbrham Lincoln
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
I frankly don't know much about Palin yet and its apparrent most of the posters here don't either.
An Israli flag in her office...goodness gracious. Do you also believe Obama is a Muslim?
This gal may have plenty of problems and if she does they will soon surface. There is no need of making up foolish lies and repeating stuff that belongs on Fox. If the truth won't serve, nothing will.
I also don't really welcome the anti-semitic comments any more than Islamophobic ones. Bigots and racists need to find a different group.
Hi Thomas - Are you referring to Greenis' post? Whether you agree with the opinion or not, or approve of the language, I don't think it was racist or antisemitic. Unique to our criticism of Israeli policy and Zionism in general is the constant necessity to parse out our feelings about the actions of the Jewish state from our feelings about Jews themselves. Most intelligent people make no distinction between their Jewish friends and anybody else, while at the same time abhorring Israel's excesses and its abominable lobby in Washington. There is no contradiction in holding both positions.
As always I enjoy reading your posts, even when you are scolding people.
Vox
Umm, I didn't make any "anti-semetic comments," so kindly don't accuse me of being a bigot. I've heard that Sarah Palin has, in addition to the American and Alaskan flag, an Israeli flag in her office. I do know for a fact that she has the support of the Israelis. Does that clarify it for you Thomas?
"Palin said she had insights into U.S. relations with Russia because "they're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska ... from an island in Alaska."
maybe she can ask congress for a congrssional earmark of a few billion dollars to build a bridge to Russia to facilitate the invasion...and then later pretend she DIDN'T ask for the money if it proves to be politically unpopular...
Hell, I can see the USA from my front window, but I dont have a fucking CLUE about you people....however, my impression is of the worlds most massive killing machine operated by retards.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
LOL.....good one, mujeriego! Talk about waraholics.
Sarah Palin's maternal grandfather was a Jew, which I have no problem with. However, I DO have a problem with her being Israel's bitch. I heard she even has an Israeli flag hanging in her office. It seems she's yet another politician whose loyalty is to be questioned.
Palin does not represent a good way of line. She appears to be a very sick person, with a lot of snakes around her. McCain is very sick too.
CBS, I agree but the sickness is even greater because McCain and Palin have been so successfully packaged that Americans wil vote for them.
May be a grave, indeed, terminal illness.
It might be a collaboration between these two would mean taking a path away from healing and futher stress an already unhealthy way of life. Those beings that cannot not evolve create sickness, I am surprised that people want this as a life path.
McCain lovers attacking Palestinians.
Gaza is a concentration camp run by the Nazi Israelis.
The IDF shoots children. Israel pumps their excrement into the sad gardens of the people they are starving.
The Israelis are the most rascist people on earth.
Palestinian children were systematically tortured at Khiam.
Until the word got out.
Sincerely, an Arabophile.
seriously,
I'd like to know if any of you were getting rockets fired indiscriminately into your neighborhood how long it would take before you went out and jerked somebodies head through their asshole?
Israel has a right to defend herself and Israel has a right to exist...just as all of you do
So do the Palistinians - have the right to exist.
There are those on both sides who have vested interest in keeping the violence going. It is all greed, politics and fanning the flames of revenge. People have been victimised on both sides.
It is just a Rich Man's War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjT6B6IFUU8
Personally, I would like to see Michelle Obama debate Palin - be more of a challenge than debating Cindy.
I think that instead of attacking Palin's lack of experience (which feeds right into the repug's hands), we should be attacking what experience she does have. Palin is smart and she's done some pretty nasty things. What Palin did as Mayor and as Governor, she's very likely to do if she ever became President. Also, one's success during a VP debate is based, to a large degree, on how well one does compared to how well one is expected to do. If we continue to set the expectations concerning Palin's performance artificially low, she will succeed just by beating expectation.
She has put out there that she has not met with any world leaders (but has traveled to Canada and Mexico before now). If Biden takes the bait and calls her on it, Palin will say that she has met with the Premiers and Governors and sell that as being closer to the "ordinary people" than the "royalty" of Calderon or Putin - the latter which the Dems are too friendly with. Also, the Dems are the anti human abuse party - well Putin's hands are no cleaner than Bush's on that front - which is what Palin will bring up if Biden attacks her on wanting to start a war with Russia. Palin will paint us not as the party which stands up for human rights (if we were serious about human rights we would stand up to Russia), but the party which is soft on crime. There is a lot of crime and gang activity in the US and victims of these crimes tend to be taken in by Tories and Repugs.
RE: In her interview, Palin said that she worked as a chairman…
She was actually a chairwoman.
The proper term is either "chairperson" or "chair". Likewise, we don't have firemen and firewomen in Canada, we have firefighters. The trend is to try to come up with gender neutral terms for occupations and positions.
RE: Wonder if Palin as Govenor of Alaska is even aware that U$A bought Alaska from the Ruski royal family? Maybe the Republicans' dingbat candidate for VP thinks god gave Alaska to U$A.
If she thought that Alaska used to be part of Canada, she has probably made that gaffe already when dealing with Canadian Premiers. I want to know if she's met Ralph Klein or just Stelmach (present premier Alberta).
RE Anita Bryant
I bet there are some people in Alaska still pissed off that Anita Bryant is no longer shilling Florida Orange juice. Probably came up (directly or indirectly) as a reason why Alaska wished to become it's own country.
I knew Palin reminded me of someone. Seeing Anita Bryants name reminded me of whom.
Palin as VP, ready to take over from McCain should anything happen to him? I can't think of a more frightening prospect.
I can...an Obama win...He is clueless
snowy baby,
You know, you're slipping. I'm used to your posts being between 10 to 20 words. And your last one was only *eight* words.
What gives, man?
You're not going attenuated on us are you?
Frankly, I think there should be a 10-word minimum for these CommonDream posts.
And you, of all people! Eight words! (Oh, the humanity!)
What next -- single syllables? grunts? abstract graphics?
snowy baby, you have standards, goddammit! Don't sell yourself short, son. Don't let yourself down. Don't hold back with the apes, bubi.
Now go out there and find at least two more words to add to your last post. Quick-quick, chop-chop!
L ◎ L
Namaste
Obma clueless? That applies to you, buddy! McCain is the clueless warmonger, talking of war for another 100 years, by spending and borrowing and not asking corporations to contribute one red penny.
You are anti-American, because you are a fascist that hates DEMOCRACY, BUT, LIKE FASCISTS, LOVE POWER AND THE THEORY THAT MIGHT IS RIGHT! Unfortunately, this country, which is supposed to be the land of the free and home of the brave, is populated to a great degree with people like yourself who vote for Repugs, like Bush, who called the Constitution just some God-damned piece of paper, about the most traitorous thing I ever heard coming out of the mouth of someone who's supposed to uphold the law of the land. I wonder, is it just that you didn't pay attention in civics class, believe in right-wing BS about Franklin Roosevelt and how bad government is, or is your head just stuck so far up your ass that you only let it out to listen to Limbaugh and Hannity everyday?
GO OBAMA, GO DEMOCRACY, AND DOWN WITH RIGHT WING KOOKS LIKE PALIN AND MCCAIN AND CLUELESS SUPPORTERS LIKE SNOW WOLF!
palin = george bush with pms.
Only in America could propaganda raise someone from obscurity to prominence—overnight! Not even one percent of the American people had heard of, known, or seen Pailin before. Now she’s in everybody’s face.
In her interview, Palin said that she worked as a chairman…
She was actually a chairwoman. That’s how much Palin cares about women’s liberation.
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Charlie was softballing Palin in the interview all the way. For instance, when Palin was asked whether she agreed with Bush’s doctrine of preemptive strike, she said if there was legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that strike is eminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country.
Charlie failed to follow that up with the intelligence on Iraq on which Bush did a preemptive strike on cooked up intelligence which was presented to the public as legitimate and enough.
Just a little over two weeks ago, Sarah Palin was publicly wondering 'what exactly it is a Vice President does.'
Now she is on record as telling Charlie Gibson that 'she is ready to be President if necessary and ready to go to war with Russia if necessary'.
Now that's a fast woman.
Charlie (and just how many times did she repeat his name? check out Keith Olbermann's show from Sept. 12!) actually did a fairly decent job, because I thought he was going to ask her about what kind of gun she uses when she goes hunting, or what the family eats for dinner, or what was it like to win a beauty contest. Yes, a follow up question on Iraq, where her son Track is going, and where I wouldn't put it past Rove to have him go MIA (missing in action) in about a month and two weeks, would have been very good journalism, but for crissakes, we're talking about corporate media here, and his question about the Bush Doctrine, prompting this right-wing hack to give the wrong answer three times in a row was probably about as much as we Americans who have critical thinking skills could expect. Another great follow up question: Governor Palin, you do know that Russia has nuclear weapons, don't you? Do you not think that a nuclear holocaust might occur if we ever got into a hot war with that nation?
Well, Richardson and Napolitano can see (hell, even walk across the "fence") Mexico right across the border from Arizona and New Mexico! I guess that makes them experts in foreign affairs too. I've actually thought that Biden should get "sick," drop out, and then Napolitano can take his place, and Obama can tout her as being a foreign affairs expert, and she actually does have more cred as being a governor of a state with a heck of a lot more people in it than Alaska, and I think she's had more public office experience too. Actually Richardson, who was a cabinet member in the Clinton administration, has a lot more cred than this poor excuse of a VP pick, who is rallying up the racists in this country who would never vote for a black man and unfortunately gullible working class men and women who should know better but vote against their best economic interests, as they think her ability to shoot a moose is more important than getting someone elected who's going to put more money in their pocket at the end of the month, or save their house from getting foreclosed, or help to keep their job from going overseas.
McCain could have picked Snowe, Collins, or Hutcherson for his VP pick, but all three are even older than his wife, so I guess that wouldn't have worked out.
Snowe and Collins, more like Lincoln Chaffey in their votes as Repug senators, have probably bucked their party more often than Mcliar. I think they are pro-choice too, so the right-wing extremist Christianists would have stayed home Nov. 4, though I'd admit that a McInsane/Snowe or Collins ticket would have been interesting, though I'd never, ever vote for a Repug!
So, for all you real and phony Progressives or Libertarians, those of you who say you champion the Constitution, claiming you are going to vote for Nader or McKinney or Paul or Barr, get real! If McCain/Palin win, any chance for health care reform, stopping these overseas wars, keeping an EPA in the government for crissakes, developing a "green" industry, is OVER for the duration! Then these two crypto and not so crypto fascists get to pick new Supreme Court justices. Just think, more Anton Scalias on the Bench!
I don't care how much Obama might not appeal to some of us with a liberal or progressive bent, he's a thousand times the better choice over McBush, and that's not an opinion, that's a fact! You want four more years of divisive politics, nothing getting passed in Congress, emboldening the right-wing goons out there, like many of those on the floor of the RNC, hand over the "victory" to McCain by throwing your vote away, when it could have gone to a decent man like Obama! This is going to be a very close election, and it won't be so close when anyone NOT voting for McCain votes for Obama, because he can win with overwhelming numbers, cancelling out the voter caging and computer machine fixing that is going on here and there.
If the world has to deal with Bush the sequel, John McCain, together with his sidekick Sarah “my god can beat up your god” Palin, we can expect more of the same mindless light on brains, heavy on bombs - ignore the economy Bush madness.
With John McCain and the Republicans moving up in the polls, and now, with the help of “battle cry Barbie” running mate Sarah Palin, they’ve now locked up a very huge and powerful voting block known as “America’s dumbest people.”
That's not to say American's are dumb. Fortunately, for the world, there are millions upon millions of brilliant and intelligent people in America. Unfortunately, neither John McCain or Sarah Palin appear to be one of them.
Vote McCain/Palin and build a bomb shelter.
http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com
the mark of 'the beast' is just a bad haircut
It is time we faced the appalling fact that Americans are indeed by and large pretty dumb. Dumb and uneducated and gullible, with occasional, notable exceptions among the people you meet. 57 million people voted twice for George Bush. They are still out there, every blessed, brain-damaged one of them, firm in their conviction that Obama is a Muslim and creationism is science and the way to peace and victory is to bomb Asia and the Middle East into submission. They will come lurching out of the woodwork in November like a black tide of ignorance so that once again (not that it does any good) we can count them.
you could always leave the place to us wretches...
Well, SW, most of us have considered that. You pretty much own the place as it is. But what would you do without us? You'd have to hang out on those guts and glory HOO-AH! sites which clearly (due to a faint glimmer of intelligence in your lupine brain) you find as boring as we do.
RE: ... the doctrine's definition of "anticipatory self-defense" against any country that might attack the United States, she replied: "If there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."
- By that rationale there's a plethora of countries who have the right and/or obligation to attack U$A and kill Americans anywhere on the planet.
U$A won't attack Russia for the same reason it won't attack Iran. Because U$A would lose a war against either of these nations. Besides to take on Russia means taking on her allies - Iran, China and India - as well.
Wonder if Palin as Govenor of Alaska is even aware that U$A bought Alaska from the Ruski royal family? Maybe the Republicans' dingbat candidate for VP thinks god gave Alaska to U$A.
As for defending rogue states like Israel. On what grounds?
According to the Ashkenazis' (who imagine they're Hebrew/Jewish) own version of history, they stole Canaan through practicing genocide. The doomseeker irrationale of standing with self righteous bigots on the superstious grounds that a tribal war god/deity named Yaweh said they could have it because Yewah/Jahovah plays favourites with humanity is probably the best piece of self delusionary hypocrisy in modern history.
“…McCain and Palin could spend more time together on the campaign trail…”
Wow, have fun while you’re still kicking, Johnny. Statistically, you ain’t got much time left.
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“Palin Would Support War With Russia”
This is like saying Paul would support nuking England. Who the hell is Paul, and how much does he know?
I think that if the neo-cons _really_ like SP, then John may get in the position of needing to watch his back.
But of course, the United states would only do something like that in the name of nation building and for the good of the democracy.
SnowWolf:
If Israel didn't exist there would be peace.
Until Israel doesn't return the land that it stole in 1948 there will be a blood bath.
What part of that don't you get?
The planet stands against Israel.
Israel has no legitimate claim to being the _only_ stumbling block to peace. I think the US shows up on that list, too. And has a lot of company.
But it has been a sad spectacle to watch the Israeli government dish out approximately the same treatment they got in Europe leading up to the Holocaust. They have ghetto-ized Palestinian neighborhoods. They have choked them off economically. Often the relationship between Israel and Palestine is like two warring siblings, where Israel provokes, Palestine knocks over the lamp and kicks Israel back, and Israel stands by looking hurt and wronged when the world looks in on them. There is nothing about that dynamic that would lead to peace and yet America does all they can to maintain it. That also is sad.
They stole nothing...The Pali's could have had their "State" 60 years ago...they declined
You are an Assclown, Sir
The other Arab Nations could have absorbed ALL the Refugee's...but they keep them in Poverty so they can point their smelly fingers at the Israeli's and Whine and Seethe
I Stand with Israel....The rest of the World can piss up a rope
The rest of the world can piss up a rope? Who are you, Dick Cheney? because that's exactly the attitude you have! Israel could have stayed within it's original borders.
Better yet, instead of being a theocracy, a "Jewish" state if you will, why doesn't Israel try becoming a real democracy and give Palestinians equal rights instead of bulldozing their homes and taking away more of their land.
Oh I know, the fundamentalist Jews are going to say that was their land 2000 years ago. Geez, by that reasoning, The English better get out of England and go back to Saxony in Germany and Jutland in Denmark and give England back to the Irish and Scots!
Better yet, white people better get the hell out of the USA and give it back to all those Indian tribes, and that was much more recent in history!
Israel could have stayed within it's original borders
they did...till 1967...who's to blame for that one?...Israel?...Nope
snowy baby,
I bet there isn't anything in the entire, great big cosmos that you couldn't distill down into 15-20 words or less.
All these people that write these long, boring article and these great big books -- who needs 'em?
What we need are more bird's eye views of the world like yours.
Any thoughts on, say ... Mars?
Or ... Uranus???
Why should any country be responsible for the refugies created by Israel's acts of terrorism, war crimes and ilegal occupation?
You don't think the "smelly fingures" bit is a touch racist or is it just us who are Anti-Semitic?
What a strange expression, "The rest of the world can piss up a rope". I guess you need a moral compas to do that, Right?
In Arthur Miller's play, "Incident at Vichy," one of the characters says: "Even the Jew has his Jew. He is the other."
In other words, it doesn't mean that just because a group is discriminated against, that therefore people in that group will be without prejudice and bigotry. Not ny a long shot.
And so the Palestinians are "the Jews Jews." They are the other, the subhuman, the unfit, the expendables. (And this from a state government, the Israel government, based on ... religion.)
The Palestininans now occupy 10% of the land they did in 1947. Where'd all that land go to?
There have been countless votes in the United Nations General Assembly with the US and Israel on one side of the vote, versus every other country in the world on the other side of the vote.
There are also any number of Jews, inside and outside Israel, who are deeply ashamed of what their government is doing.
But the Israeli government does exactly what the US government does when people dissent. In Israel, they're called "anti-Semitic." In the United States, they're called "anti-American."
Noam Chomsky points out that no other country except the United States has this notion of anti-(fill in the blank). In other words, you never hear a person in France who has a dissenting opinion being called "anti-French"; or someone in Italy being called "anti-Italian." ... How about someone who is anti-Portugese, or anti-Swedish.
The only two countries that pull this con are the US and Israel.
Gee, I wonder why.
SnowWolf'
Your comment reveals your identity. You should be the one going back to where you came from, rather than suddenly planting yourself in Palestine. How come the Europeans didn't absorb you?
I apologize...I did not mean to call you an Assclown but your moral compass is a bit bent
How about an apology to the world, snowy, for having us all piss up a rope.
I mean, me, personally -- I'd rather be an "Assclown" than have to piss up a rope.
Wouldn't you?
Meanwhile, I'm sure we're all looking forward to your next insult. Or is it your next apology?
Remember, snowy, it's gratuitous insult first; followed by gratuitous, meaningless apology. Got it?
Write if you get work, k?
Snow Wolf:
post all you want after this last one I have stopped reading them.
Snow Wolf knows he's scared shit but will be in denial mode. If the neocon righwing were actually winning, he wouldn't be posting so desperately like this.
OMG...too funny
She has insights into Russia because you can see it from an island in Alaska - lol - that is hysterically pathetic! And according to her logic, Russia could justify attacking the US after we invade a soverign state (gee how many times have we done that now?) This pit bull with lipstick is the scariest thing I've seen since Dick Cheyney. Obviously the Republicans want to continue the tradition of a chummy front man up front and a total dickhead behind the scenes.
Palestinian refugee camps still exist outside Palestine filled with Palestinians and their descendants whose towns, villages, homes and lands were seized by the Israelis in 1948.
In 1949 the United Nations counted 711,000 Palestinian refugees.
In 2005 the United Nations Relief and Works Agency estimated 4.25 million Palestinians and their descendants were refugees from their "homeland".
On January 19, 1988, Israeli Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin, later Prime Minister, announced the policy of "punitive beating" of Palestinians. The Israelis described the purpose of punitive beating: "Our task is to recreate a barrier and once again put the fear of death into the Arabs of the area."
According to Mandatory Palestine's first modern census, conducted in 1922, approximately what percentage of the total population were Jews? 11%
Approximately what percentage of Mandatory Palestine's inhabitants were Jews in 1947? 37%.
Approximately what percentage of Mandatory Palestine's land was allocated for the Jewish state by the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan (which supported the division of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state)? 56%
Approximately what percentage of Mandatory Palestine's land was owned by Jews at the time of the 1947 UN Partition Plan?
Answer - 7%: Perhaps Arab rejection of the Partition Plan is more understandable when it is recognized that 37% of the population was given 56% percent of the land of which they owned only 7%.
After the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, what percentage of Mandatory Palestines land was part of, or occupied by, Israel? 100%.
This was in an article in one of Israel’s leading newspapers, in 2002 “The Six-Day War was forced upon us; however, the war's seventh day, which began on June 12, 1967 and has continued to this day, is the product of our choice. We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”
Michael Ben-Yair: Israel's Attorney-General, 1993-1996.
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.-" Rabbi Yaacov Perrin: Stated at his eulogy of Dr. Baruch Goldstein, the American Jewish settler who, on February 25, 1994, entered the Tomb of Patriarchs in Hebron and opened fire on Muslim worshippers praying. Twenty-nine Palestinians were killed and many more wounded. In the riots that followed the massacre, another 9 Palestinians were killed.
The answer to why we support Israel is simple
If the Pali's put down their weapons there woulod be peace
If the Israeli's put down their weapons there would be a blood bath
What part of that don't you get?
I stand with Israel
Right they should shut up and have their land stolen quietly!
Real libertarians don't share that view. Besides, Israel's ally are the US and the Saudi royal elites who did nothing to stop Al Quaida. Israel has to put down its own weapons.
'The McCain team has created a "truth squad"'
To gun down the truth every time it pops up.
Why does Palin and other American 'Reich to lifers' unconditionally support Israeli atrocities?
"An Israeli soldier was sentenced to only 14 days for detaining a pregnant Palestinian woman at a military roadblock resulting in her losing the child.
The Israeli army said the woman and her husband were rushing to a local hospital in Nablus in the northern part of the West Bank and were stopped at a military roadblock. She was barred from crossing the checkpoint even though she had gone into labor.
The couple were forced to remain at the roadblock for approximately 50 minutes and when a Palestinian ambulance arrived, the medics declared the baby dead."
Abe Lincoln said that you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time, but if you fool enough of them once, it's good for four year. Problem is, many of these same people were fooled by W, Bush I, Raygun and Nixon. The failure of the country to elevate in its decision making will be our undoing as we race toward nuclear annihilation. The next cold war is on the way. You watch.
Barack Obama was for single payer before he came out against it.
This arrogant, egotistical, unlearned and total unqualified women, who does not realize that a confrontation by the U.S. with Russia over Georgia, could lead to a NUCLEAR war. is totally unbelievable. She is obviously unaware that the Russian Bear still has Claws in the form of hundreds of nuclear warheads mounted on Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, which without a doubt are still targetted against the U.S. When asked if such a confrontation could lead to war, this airhead answered: "Probably so." Obviously John McCain, his advisors, and the Republican Party would gladly jeapodize the lives of millions of Americans as well as others - to win an election. A Pox on all of them. As for you Sarah Palin - go back to Alaska and STAY there.
An Old Soldier who served for 43 years with the US Army
I love you guys ("you guys" because I am not [yet] part of the Love Fest although I have posted here a few times in recent months, testing the waters.
I watched the first interview of what's-her-name by Charlie Gibson on the ABC evening news. I do NOT like Gibson, but I gotta say he nailed her broad based Evangelical ass on the question/issue of "The Bush Doctrine." However you want to parse it, that Doctrine is Pre-emption. And she had absolutely not a CLUE, NOT a CLUE what he was talking about. He then remained, after this demolition, quite diplomatic.
As for her comment that from a certain Alaskan island you can see Russia (across the Bering Strait), she might have said, "Ya know, Alaska was once owned by Russia and they sold it for a few million dollars and it was called Seward's Folly, and look where I am now."
She didn't say that. She should have. (copyright dds 2008)
Obviously, she is not an idiot, but neither is she the bright light we really need to free us from our self-oppression. Nor do I mean "self-oppression" in the pejorative sense.
As for Joe Biden, is he prepared to represent ALL the people as against his favored Maryland. Talk about a bloviator...
(I might be wrong about Maryland: it might be Cape Cod.)
This election is up for grabs because Obama has betrayed his "base" while McCain declared his REGISTRATION of the BASE by embracing it even as he implies that he is Empiricist. This explains the HUG in the photograph.
There is a sense in which neither Palin nor McCain even EXIST as humans. One can adver that they are Media Creations. And as far as the Diebold et al voting machines are concerned, the candidates are Ephemera. They need not actually exist. This hypothesis just barely transcends Orwell.
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Kem Patrick -- good to read you again!
You sound a tad nutty tonight, though: Are a potential female VP's beautiful legs supposed to trump cautions RE WW III?
Oaky. Whatever.
BTW, how does a 70+yr old guy like you keep up such high testosterone levels?
Are you taking high-grade panax ginseng or something?
Let me in on the secret, por favor.
Reagards,
Logos
I hope Palin's allowed --nay, encouraged-- to ramble on; revealing by degrees even to a nation of near-hopeless idiots very much like her but not quite-quite-quite as psychopathogical, that her self-assured historical ignorance combined with her raving moral Manicheanism is a distinct global biohazard -- absurdly and needlessly threatening to humanity's survival.
If by November there's still a quark of enlightened self-interest left the US electorate, voters will then -one hopes- politically euthanize her and her running mate's poisonous confusion of American/Biblical ambitions.
Sarah-qua-Ayn Rand-qua-Savonarola, it must be made clear to the public, will if elected be one single fatal-heartstop away from a dottering old man whose mandible-surface melanoma has already pretty-well provably metasticized into his pre-frontal cortex.
Do you think this argument is too wordy?
Hmmm....
She's Ayn Rand and good a fiction too.
"unprovoked"?? is she brain impaired??
Yes, and that's the point. Psychopaths are running the country...many countries...and we the people need to recognize that and do something about it.
Wasn't Michael Palin a principal in Monte Python's Flying Circus?
Yes but so is Cheney.
Palin was against letting the oil out of the Exxon Valdez
She has lllllllbeautiful eyes and great legs, don't have to wear a pants suit. She'll be OKay. What president have we ever had in ht past 60 years who did the best things in regards to foreign policy? Any here like Joe Biden's stands on foreign policies??
I don't favor any of them, we're screwed no matter who wins, but at least she has nice legs. ___Checke em out.
~Kem P~
What are you, still in college or what. Aren't you the one that claimed you had sex with your teacher in junior high, only you used a more coarse word. Who gives a hoot about Sarah Palin's legs. I'm concerned that she's unqualified and will start a nuclear war.
There's so many conservatives trying to pose as progressives here.
He is being sarcastic. That is his point - the media hooting like owls.
Personally, I think the Repugs come on here, post sexist comments and hope we take the bait and follow suit.
Kem, I get the feeling that Biden was on Hillary Clinton's short list for VP.
So you will vote for McCain because he fulfills your apocalyptic vision
Rick
Putin, now there is a leader who runs his country for the people. He probably looks at the US line up for Pres and VP and shakes his head. I would be surprised if he ever meets the women.
But they are neighbors aren't they?
MiMic:
So you feel Palin as VP would have been better than Cheney, OK so if McCain dies of old age do you feel she would make a good President. If McCain wins that is a possibility.
palin with no knowledge of the world can be told anything and she will by the looks of things believe it. She is in way over her head hell Bush was in over his head and controlled and that is what the powers that be want. A controlled puppet. The President of the USA doesn't run the country like the old days. BUT it would be nice to have a person who at least can act like they are running the show.
Don't fool yourself, Obama will be controlled by the same Puppet Masters. Do not worry though, the Puppet masters want Obama. They just want to make it an exciting race to keep us distracted while they screw us some more before the elections. Hardly any talk about the bailouts and the expanded FBI guidelines coming on October 1 which will allow you to be investigated for what you comment or say in public. And like in 2004, they lower oil prices to make you think all is well, or that we are on the right track. Or maybe it is so we can afford the carbon caps and taxes coming our way.
Hey Rich,
You said the Bush Doctrine as spelled out by Charlie was wrong.
How can an idiot have a doctrine? He makes up signing statement and laws as he goes along. If you asked the chimp what his doctrine was; I'm sure the reply would be less correct or intelligible than Sarah Barracuda's was.
Now the Monroe doctrine was credible and understandable; but not the Bush Doctrine.
Unless we are refering honestly to a corporate: Rape Pillage and Plunder global neocon enslavement furthered by military threat agenda.
I think a good lesson for her would be to sit her down across from Vladimir Putin, and then she can use the term "unprovoked."
Can you become a governor and be that uniformed? Yes... Bush was a governor. I think what we saw is the real Sarah without the prompter, or that little black box that Bush wore in the debates.
She reminded me of students BS-ing through an oral exam that they hadn't studied for or someone on a job interview who has inflated his/her credentials then is asked to elaborate. I'm sure that many CD bloggers have given more thought to the issues presented in that interview. Her answers were vapid and simplistic with very little evidence of thoughtful reflection on our world or the issues we face.
She seems smart in a generic/limited way and seems to have a "how hard could it be?" attitude about becoming VP or President.
I wish that I could believe Palin is just a sacrificial lamb and not someone to be loosed on this country and the world.
But as governor of Alaska surely she had better things to do with her time than informing herself about foreign policy. Not exactly in her job description. I would rather have an uninformed VP who has the capacity to learn what she needs to learn, than a misinformed VP who thinks they have all the right answers and has shown based on his actions over the last 35 years that he supports policies we object to (wars of choice, the bogus war on drugs, etc).
Frankly, if she was Bush's VP instead of Cheney, the world might be a better place, Bush could not have done all this damage on his own, he needed experienced help. So Bush chose experience, just like Obama has. Biden and Cheneys experience was the wrong kind. Palin if she ever ended up as President, would be able to choose an experienced VP, and of course, her staff would already be in place and "experienced".
But keep talking about Palin, McCains loving it, it's killing Obama.
"...She reminded me of students BS-ing through an oral exam that they hadn't studied for or someone on a job interview who has inflated his/her credentials then is asked to elaborate. ....She seems smart in a generic/limited way and seems to have a 'how hard could it be?' attitude about becoming VP or President...."
- That's a very accurate description. About her 'how hard could it be?' attitude -- I doubt she really grasps the seriousness of what she's getting into. That's terrifying, in itself.
I just saw the 2nd part of Palin's interview with Gibson a few minutes ago. This segment was on economic policy, & other domestic issues like homosexuality & abortion.
On the one hand, Gibson's manner was extremely obnoxious. His tone & word choice made it clear that he regards Palin as an unqualified amateur, who simply has no business being a candidate for such high office. (He's right about that, but one has to consider whether he would treat GW Bush the same way. GW Bush was no more qualified to be president than Palin, but journalists like Charlie Gibson never treated Bush in the haughty aggressive way that Gibson treats Palin in this interview.)
As for Palin -- here she really seemed (as you wrote), like a high school student bluffing her way through an exam. She's fairly good at bluffing, but not a fully-developed expert. I predict she's going to take a real pounding in the media, once this segment of the interview circulates. It's a much, much weaker performance than in the first part, where she slipped by with relatively limited gaffes.
It's amusing that she's pretty good at her bluffing -- so you get the impression that in a month or two, she'd be a real expert. However, she's no expert today, and she doesn't have two months.
I believe Biden and Obama have come out in support for Georgias entry into NATO. An attack on Georgia then would obligate NATO to come to her defense (including the US). So where exactly is Palin differing from the Dems?.
These treaty obligations is how WW I got started in Europe. It is why we avoided them for much of our countries history. History will repeat, and it will be by design, not an accident. No matter we have a Democrat or Republican in the White House.
So you will vote for McCain because he fulfills your apocalyptic vision
Obama does too. I will vote for neither. Just 2 kinds of Evil to choose from.
I can't believe it! We're drinking the lipstick too.
Cut to the chase.
obama/biden - scares the sh_t out of us!!
mccain/palin - scares the living sh_t out of us!!!!!
Vote independent if you can - Vote your conscience if you must.
A vote for anyone but Obama is a vote for McCain, thus you will vote for McCain because he fulfills your apocalyptic vision
The operative adjective on CNN is "tough." Sarah Palin is "tough" on Russia. I would have used "reckless" and "lacking subtlety" -- but this is how the Republicans will be sold to the barely informed American voter. It's the practice of not criticizing, or even analyzing, the content. Use a descriptive that is positive, and forget about the real implications of what she said. It's too bad, but it's what most of the voters will come away with.
After reading English Pravda, I see the Russians aren't at all impressed with Sarah Palin. Like all hicks she has very little tact, but that's what fearful people in this country now call being "tough" I guess. Charlie Gibson could hardly contain his contempt for an airhead that believes the world is what, 6,000 years old -- and can you blame him.
LOL
the republicans are Javier Bardem with his bolt tank
the electorate is the guy holding the nozzle to his forehead
&YYY&
All options on the table, for VS extremists it is their label.
They believe they are the chosen few, these elite members of the terror crew.
They kill for the Vampire States with zeal, the results of their terror are real.
Only they have the death dealing right, shining Neo-Clear Con people of the dark night.
this is the best the USA could come up with for a president or even a VP???
Well if the USA was stupid to take on a super power like Russia, Israel would be flattened along with Poland, Georgia. The US would be out of Europe for the next 1000 years. All they could do is attack Canada ( try it asshole) Venezuela, Mexico, CUBA for their oil.
Then if the USA wants to attack Russia I am sure George Walker Bush would be the last president of the US of A
if the USA wants to attack Russia I am sure George Walker Bush would be the last president of the US of A...
To say the least. Most of us will also take our last steps on earth...
"Republican vice presidential pick Sarah Palin says the White House
cannot 'second-guess' the measures Israel could take against Iran."
Israel is talking about assassination.
John and Sarah talk about preemption.
Two rogue states against the world.
Remember that it was America's unconditional support
of Israeli atrocities that brought down the Twin Towers...
Seems the plan is to convince America God's gal Palin is actually Wonder Woman:
"She's going to reform all of Washington," McCain said (on "The View, today.)
Get her a cape and a pair of gold, bullet-deflecting bracelets, man.
"She knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America," McCain said.
By the end of the weekend, McCain will claim no one in the entire universe knows more about foreign policy than SuperPalin, while her computer savvy tops Jobs' and Gates' combined.
What a sick, twisted f**king embarrassment the USA has become...
Seems the plan is to convince America God's gal Palin is actually Anita Bryant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant
Palin answered that she believed the president has attempted...to rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying our nation.
If it is the desire of Islamists to "destroy our nation", they need do no more than to sit back and watch the assholes who have been in power the last 7 1/2 years to complete their mission which has been doing just that.
the good news is that she's already shown she can't keep her big mouth shut. just give her enough rope. there's still seven weeks.
Palin should be asked to explain the difference in the yield of the weapon used at Nagasaki (22,000 KT), and the yield of a one megaton weapon. Then, the FOOL should be asked if she thinks anyone can actually WIN a nuclear war.
Her reply: If it's god's will
Current US Wars
Afganistan
Pakistan
Iraq
Next US wars (work in process)
Iran
Russia
Go ahead and elect/select McSame and Palin and be ready for many more wars. Long live the military industrail complex
Next war: Venezuela and Bolivia
Oil before we run out of it because no one loves us any more.
sierra7
Actually we're at war with Iran as we blog.......Anytime any nation sends surveillance aircraft over another nation's sovereign airspace for spying as we admittedly are doing that is an act of war.
We are enabling Taliban fighters in the north of Iraq to cross border into Iran to target their military....We have Special Forces already on the ground in Iran...Those are acts of war...we are already at war with Iran.
You forgot Somalia, and, technically, Turkey, since they've been bombing and invading northern Iraq for over a year. And then there were the attempts to kill Chavez, another technical act of war, not to mention the overthrow of the Haitian government back in 04.
How about the US instigated riots in Bolivia this week?........Attempting to overthrow popular democratically elected governments of Bolivia and Venezuela........Like was done to Mossadegh in Iran........How come they took our people hostage? Those nasty iranians....lizard
I'm afraid Obama/Biden won't be much different if it's any colsolation. We the people are already the losers regardless of which ticket wins.
We the people are already losers because we have chosen to be. We idolize our next messiah but don't lift a finger to help.
A vote for anyone but Obama is a vote for McCain, thus you will vote for McCain because he fulfills your apocalyptic vision
Maybe NATO Should be disbanded...the New Threat is Islamic but Europe has thrown open the doors and invited their new Overlords in...
Maybe? The new threat is Islamic? Are you really that clued out? The new and old threat is the American mentality exemplified by you. You are more dangerous to me than muslims. Your ignorance is breath-taking...............lizard
and I love you too
"Maybe NATO Should be disbanded..."
If that includes cutting down on military bases and not replacing NATO with more US troops, most of whom don't need to be put in harm's way in the first place, I guess. Besides, neither NATO nor the US bothered to actually CRUSH Al Quaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan successfully in 2001-2002 when there was a golden opportunity to do so.
With the Exception of Gulf War I name me a War thats gone well from the beginning?
A bad PEACE is always better than
__ the "very best" of all WARs
Namaste
is that a trick question???????????
Only to the weak minded (I didn't confuse you did I?)
Russia is just a bigger moose.
Palin has moose envy?
I don't know what odds Las Vegas gives re McCain dying in office but they must be at least slightly better than 50/50. So then Palin Comparison to George Wanker Bush, aka Ma Barker and Her Killer Brood, yet another in a seemingly endless line of super-aggressive, truculent, bloodthirsty barroom brawlers the Repimplicans vomit up every fourth year, can bring the world closer to its own destruction by loudly threatening Russia and setting up the distinct possibility of the world ending by mishap, as it almost did (at least twice) during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The fucking stupidity of this country could not be thought up by the worst hack writer on the face of this sorry Earth.
He's a tough old bird...he'll mske it through the next 4 years but won't seek Reelection...and 2012 will be Palin vs Clinton
then you haven't read any books by 'colin forbes'..................
KeLeMiWhere is she going to get the troops? Get out of Iraq, which Iraq wants us to do, or Outsource?
I see. Now, she's stuffing her shoulder pads (faux applets) instead of bra, and shining her wingtip shoes. She's such a little man.
I cant stand Palin, but could you PLEEZE lay off the sexism. Its most unbecoming, and , If youre a Dem, they comprise (usually) about 51% of your vote. Its' just dumb.
It's easy--they dont plan on sending military--they can "outsource"! Blackwater has mercenaries from Poland, Pinochet's old regime, Uzbekistan--and both candidates support Blackwater! No problem!
How soon they forget. Don't you remember the line on Bob (e.d.) Dole? Asked what type of undergarment he wore his reply was, 'Depends'. So there you go - ageism and sexism.
I know that you got my point, though.
Not a DEM! Don't throw insults.
Do apologize.
No apologies necessary but thank you, anyway. Being >.
The book report on Jitterbug Perfume is due. In lieu of that, what was written in the dust on the mantelpiece?
Any other buttons I can push for you?
Both John and Sarah McPain would go to war with Russia in a heartbeat - if they could borrow enough money - from Putin maybe?
Bush and Cheney haven't left us the money to get a few troops through the Winter at Valley Forge much less a march on Moscow. Just ask Adolph Hitler or Napoleon Bonaparte.
White, Christian and ex-POW (in McCain's case)--these are the big three in the Republican bag of tricks.
Dr Wu, the last of the big-time thinkers
Doc, love your tag line...
Sarah, keep talking about war with Russia, and Alaska will be the first target since it's closest to Russia. Maybe the Russians will do a pre-emptive strike i.e. Bush Doctrine (you know what that is now I take it) on us, thanks to your big, arrogant mouth. All that ice and snow will evaporate in minutes.
I bet the Russians are REALLY impressed with trigger happy, Shot-Gun Palin.
A picture is worth a thousand words!
Actually, as dangerous a phenomenon as Palin really is, here she's being attacked for the wrong reasons.
The media & the Democratic faithful are making the most fuss about her comment on Russia, & her not exactly knowing what the phrase "The Bush Doctrine" refers to. Those things are not really big deals. On Russia, the ENTIRE Democratic Party, as well as Republicans, supports the admission of Ukraine & Georgia into NATO. If you're a member of NATO, what that means is that you have to defend any member nation that's attacked. So Palin was fully in line with the policy of both parties, here. Her only "crime" was expressing the reality of what NATO membership for Georgia means, in an unusually blunt & glib way. What she did was not really worse than what Hillary did last spring, when she vowed to "obliterate Iran," if it attacked Israel.
As far as "The Bush Doctrine" goes -- that's also not a big deal. The idea of the "Bush Doctrine" is not really a high-level concept. It's entirely forgiveable for someone to not know just what the US media has exalted with the lofty appellation of "Bush Doctrine", because it's not really a concept. It's a mere bit of media usage that's been artificially glorified, lifting it from the level of Bush's hyperaggressive brain-farts up to the level of "Doctrine." It basically means no more than, "We can kill anyone we want, for any reason, at any time" -- which certainly expresses Bush's philosophy.
Someone who doesn't read the MSM all the time might forgiveably think that the august phrase refers to, for example, the idea that "if you harbor terrorists, you'll be held responsible for their acts of terrorism." Or that it refers to the general tone of the 2002 National Security Strategy -- that the US reserves the right to crush any power that even thinks of challenging US dominance; or that the US even suspects might eventually be thinking of it, at some undefined point in the future.
If you want to attack Palin, you should attack her on the grounds that she's a theocrat, & that she's a rightwinger who's really very much in line with the worst elements of the Republican Party. Even the charge of "inexperience" is not that big a deal, because Cheney, Rice & Rumsfeld, etc (not to mention types like Kissinger & Nixon) were all immensely experienced -- and look what they did.
RichM, I disagree with some of what you've written here and I often enjoy your insights and thoughts even if they aren't like my own. Your writings often broaden my perspective.
But I disagree exactly with your thoughts that we should attack her based on being a theocrat and a "rightwinger".
I think these are very polarizing words and people will listen if they agree with you and shut you down if they don't.
And I think it is huge to have a large discussion of the "Bush Doctrine". The Bush Doctrine, as I understand it, allows for something that we as Americans have never stood for--pre-emptive war. We have previously justified war when someone aggressed against us. Iraq was entirely justified on the basis of a potential threat--that arguably even Bush knew didn't exist. Pre-emptive war as a notion has been a case study in a failed policy. Now that is a campaign theme I'd like to hear more about.
And I for one, agree with what I see BIll Moyers doing, and that is trying to find common ground with folks who have not previously been our allies but they also dislike intensely what Bush's policies have brought us to.
Somehow, Obama--if he is to be successful--has got to find some common ground language that will unite that constituency of faithful republicans that have been ashamed of the Bush years and the harms to America's cause. They are out there. He has three jobs: the one I just listed, the need to keep the discussion sharply focused on the Bush policy failures of the last eight years AND how they exactly link to McCain's policy positions, and the need to deflect but not engage on the Rovian tactics of getting people to talk about gay marriage, and disagreement-as-sexism against Palin, abortion, flag-burning, the pledge of allegiance, yadda-yadda-yadda.
When progressives use terms like theocrat and rightwinger (spat out much in the same way that some speak the term "liberal") we are following the Rove play-book to a T.
Go to Bill Moyer's Journal web site (you can get there through www.pbs.org). Watch Moyer's interviews of thoughtful and not so thoughtful died-in-the-wool conservatives. Listen to what they say and try not to over react. But get into touch with the fact that most of these folks are chosen for Moyer's shows because they have deep reservations about what BUsh has done and they have (often) gone on record in print to say it. Progressives and democrats desperately need to find common ground with these folks or likely the democracy will not survive another day to fight about those things we will always disagree on. But these are the Journal programs I would refer you to:
The Andrew Bachevich interview on 08/13/2008
Mickey Edwards, Ross Douthit interview on 07/11/2008
Charles Fried & Fritz Schwartz interview on 10/26/2007
Kuttner & Donaldson on 10/12/2007
There are probably others where Moyers has at least sought a conservative perspective but these are some examples of what I'm thinking.
I personally think that the conversation that needs to occur this season is, "How did we get to this point? PRe-emptive war, torture, roll-back on habeus corpus, the largest military budget IN THE WORLD, embracing of mercenaries, frittering away of a budget surplus not for the needs of people but for the needs of corporations, eroding health care for Americans, waning wages and buying power." Yes there are Bush apologists that will find a way to embrace every one of these odious policies but most Americans are confused about them and certainly the MSM makes sure they don't get any information about them. The trick is, that if we became even mildly successful at getting these issues back, you can be assured that the Rove machine would crank up the divisive terminology wars trying desperately to get the spot-light off of these core issues.
So as spitting mad as they make you, try not to play out Rove's game plan.
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"How did we get this way?"
Noam Chomsky's "Necessary Illusions" is a good place to start...(Plus all his other 25 or so books) and thousands of lectures over the years. Also Edward Herman and his writings....
Williams Appleman Williams, "The Tragedy of American Diplomacy" is another place.
We also go to this point by the American people not paying attention to politics....it has always been too "boring" for them. Now they (we) will pay. And Dearly.
A good case in point is the fact that the major media has been successful in casting the story about Georgia and Russia as "Russia invading Georgia." If they got away with the criminal invasion of Iraq story back in 2003, this is a "gimme." Considering all the years that we demonized Russia.
Trust me, if Palin is President (of any other individual) and Russia gets pushed too far, this time she may not blink and is loaded with nukes. And, she knows how to fight.
America has been "dumbed down" specifically to enable the powerful (and the nutty) to maintain their power and wealth...there are very little differences in the Dem and Repub candidates for president....all embrace the Bush Doctrine.....listen carefully to all their bloviating.....Obama gives us a "choice" of war(s), McCain...perpetual war.....
We are in deep, deep doodoo.....If there is no other way for citizens and individuals of any country to protest their oppressions thru political process, then change will come violently.
This administration has trashed the Constitution and has gotten away with it, even with the opposition party in power........This administration is occupied by political criminals...and some of the legalities that have enabled them to get away with what they have done and are doing were enabled under the last president, Bill Clinton,,like the Iraq Freedom Act, etc.....and economically under Bill C. with his love fest with Robert Rubin and the neo-liberal economic changes that have devastated this country and others through oppressive economic treaties....some countries are fighting back and we want dearly to call them "terrorists."
Enough. Find a hole, get in and pull the cover over yourself. The time has come for us to pay our bills.
Well MollyJ, I agree with a good bit of what you wrote here. So far as I can make out, you were criticizing my somewhat glib recommendation that Palin be attacked for being "a theocrat and a rightwinger." For me, though, the word "rightwinger" is basically a shorthand for what you referred to by writing:
"... PRe-emptive war, torture, roll-back on habeus corpus, the largest military budget IN THE WORLD, embracing of mercenaries, frittering away of a budget surplus not for the needs of people but for the needs of corporations, eroding health care for Americans, waning wages and buying power..." (& other similar things that could be added)
Since I write about this stuff a lot, I sometimes use the shorthand. It's quicker & easier. // To me, a "rightwinger" is not the same thing as a "conservative." Andrew Bacevich & Kevin Phillips are examples of "conservatives" whom I have a good bit of respect for. They are not rightwingers, so I don't feel I'm insulting or attacking them by using the word "rightwinger" in a clearly pejorative way.
You write that "it is huge to have a large discussion of the 'Bush Doctrine.'"
-OK, I agree with that. My point about Palin, as regards that "Doctrine," was simply that her not knowing exactly which of Bush's dangerously aggressive ideas has been dubbed "The Bush Doctrine" is by itself not a big deal. (As a WaPo article I gave a link to above points out, SEVERAL different Bush ideas have been referred to as "The Bush Doctrine," so it's forgiveable for Palin to be not exactly sure which one Gibson was talking about.)
I'm not at all saying that we shouldn't have a serious examination of the implications of the Bush Doctrine itself! -- just that Palin's being unfamiliar with MSM usage of the phrase "Bush Doctrine" isn't by itself that big a deal.
Footnote--really RichM, if you didn't see it, you should go see the Moyers interview of Bachevich. Words that man said keep echoing in my head...most notably that it has become that Congress's sole purpose for existing is getting itself re-elected.
I like Bacevich. I saw him speak a few years ago at a local bookstore, & had a very favorable impression of him. He happened to mention that he loved looking at old LIFE Magazines, & Saturday Evening Posts, etc. So I went up to him after his talk, & told him where there was a store nearby that had a great collection of those things.
He's a principled guy. When his son was killed in Iraq last year, I was very saddened to hear it.
I agree...sometimes I THINK, "Do I have to spell out what I hate about the last eight years? Isn't is plain as the vein-lined nose of Bush's face?" But the answer is, "Yes, we have to."
But the language IS all about making it so people can come together without getting gagged or stopped by polarizing language.
And, though I haven't yet, I do plan to go see what Dan Froomkin wrote. Does he agree that pre-emptive war is part of what is attributable to the Bush doctrine? Is it part Unitary executive? I think we can have great conversations with conservative counterparts about those very ideas.
And finally, I have to agree that I'm cautiously sorting through which issues about Palin I want to take issue with. Some of what is said and written about her is pure-straw-man strategy. But I believe she symbolizes to (and is meant to do so) the neo-con core that the (Bush) show will go on. And even as I write that, I'm thinking, how could you say that without the polarizing words? It's what we've got to do OR we'll be inaugurating McCain/Palin.
Do you really think she doesn’t know what the Bush doctrine is or does she know that articulating it would betray her as something other than a soccer mom? Can you become a governor in the US and be that uninformed? IE is this her version of Bush’s impression of a ranch hand clearing brush or Bin Laden garnering street cred by posing with a rifle?
Several different ideas have at various times been labeled "The Bush Doctrine." These are summarized in this short WaPo article today by Dan Froomkin.
I watched the interview. I'm certainly no fan of either Palin or Charlie Gibson, but my impression was that she simply wasn't sure which of Bush's ideas was being referred to here. As Froomkin points out, Gibson's definition of the "Doctrine" wasn't exactly right, either!
Thanks for the link, I like this line:
"'If you're going to invade another country . . . without their permission, after you've just spent eight years trying to get a democratic government in place, it strikes me as kind of confused politics,' the official said."
What do you think of the "groundbreaking" new covert technique Woodward is hinting at?
I would call it high tech assassination. I wonder how long it will be before somebody else reverse engineers these things and starts flying them around the US? I wonder if the Russians with all their oil wealth can figure out how to make one? As the price drops in the future, adolescent drug dealers could put their video game skills to use and use them to knock off their rivals.
I’m one of those old enough to remember sleeping with a box of pencils because they contained lead, and everyone said that lead was the best protection against an atomic bomb. I guess it’s time to get out the pencils again.
Even I never heard that one, and I'm a child of the weekly-air-raid-siren Cold War as well. Unfortunately, the pencil "lead" is merely graphite, and won't provide much of a shield against atomic radiation. It couldn't hurt, though.
Hey Sarah, the current VP started the Russian invasion of G. He told the leaders in G. to go get that breakaway Provence back.
If a Dem. VP candidate was as much of simpleton that our Pit bull with high heels is she would have been run out of town by now. The Corp. Media loves her because the D F's are watching the news and not their reality shows!
From someone who's not a Democrat, the funny thing to watch is this.
The Democrats have been paying all their attention to Palin for the last two weeks. All you hear from Dems is jokes and deragatory comments about Palin. Most of it quite sexist and nasty.
Meanwhile, Obama is losing the election. He's dropping in the polls.
Maybe the Democrats could notice this and start talking about something that matters. The one thing most everyone knows is that who is the VP doesn't matter. Despite all the talk about it, I can't think of a single election that has turned on the VP choice. The VP debate is generally ignored and makes no difference what so ever.
Ooops, I forgot, the Dems don't have anything else to talk about since Obama has adopted all of McCain's positions.
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I agree completley. They say it should be about Palin, because she "would be one heartbeat away from the presidency"--I hate that phrase anyway--its so 'ageist"! I'm certainly not yet a "senior citizen", but obama is alraedy knownw somewhat as a canaidate of the young and rich--how does that help you?
It seems that the only "issues" off the table in this campaign are the--well, ISSUES!
People dont vote for a VP--they should be going after McCain. He's not even at the median age for a male, and his mom is 94, I think. The MSM (and the population ) wil grow tirdd of Palin, just as they did Obama. There is always blowback.
Have debates--on the issues--include Third Party candidates.And lets get the hell off of how "attractive" everyone is or is not. You'll lose the "ugly" vote!LOL
I'm with you. coco. Looked like an unwanted "embrace" to me. And he managed to look like a dirty old man. But on the bright side, I think Biden will chew her to pieces in the Veep debate. Give her credit for moxie, thinking she's qualified to be President. So her foreign policy experience is standing on an island, looking at Russia's empty eastern shoreline? Has she even actually done that, or just heard about it? I mean, come on. When a newscaster has to explain to her the Bush Doctrine, which we've had to live with for the past 8 years, and she can glibly say we should bring Russia's neighbors and former satellites into NATO so when they have family feuds we can go to war with Russia, what must the rest of the world be thinking? Just imagine going from Bush to Palin!
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
As far as I'm aware, BeForKids, the policy of trying to bring Georgia & Ukraine into NATO is COMPLETELY bipartisan. Obama himself supports it as much as any Republican. And I don't recall any congressional Democrats opposing the integration of any other Russian neighbors into NATO, either; nor the recent deal placing the Missile Defense components in Poland.
Here's what I don't get. Palin, and the current rhetoric of today says the line of "we won't tolerate another cold war."
I'm old enough to remember that a) the policies of the cold war and containment of the SU were considered to be a success even during the cold war and b) the Reaganites and the elder Bushies all celebrate the cold war as a very successful strategy at the time of the collapse of the SU.
So, are Palin, the Republicans, and even the Democrats now saying that this great success of democracy over communism that was celebrated at the time of the fall of the Berlin wall is something that can not be tolerated again.
And, are they saying that a major war with a world power that has nuclear weapons is a better idea than repeating this success?
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US troops on the ground in Iraq have been extremely critical of the Georgian Army, going so far as to say that it will be 5-10 years before Georgia is ready to participate in NATO, and this is if Georgia cleans shop starting today.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132442&page=2
Georgia arguably has the worst military on the planet, albeit one of the best armed.
Shevarnadze was spending $13M/year, but when Saakashvili came to power in 2003, Georgia's military spending skyrocketed 44 fold to $600M/year. When faced with far inferior Russian forces in August, the Georgian army abandoned all their equipment and fled. Of course, the Russians seized the equipment, leaving Georgia with nothing and the need to start all over again.
http://www.rhr.ru/index/news,18181,0.html
And Palin wants this crowd in NATO? Yup, sounds like she has a lot of foreign policy experience.
PS She got her first US passport in 2007.
William Lind (theorist on 4th Generation warfare) has a good article up a few days ago.
http://counterpunch.org/lind09092008.html
He refers to what the Georgians did as "building a toy army", and points out its a completely useless strategy in trying to oppose a power like Russia.
Of course, last I heard, our lovely Dems and Repubs were all united on the idea of sending Georgia another Billion dollars of our tax money to help them build another toy army.
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Actually, had Georgia a decent army, they could have taken S. Ossetia. There is only one mountain road (2-lanes, with no shoulder) and the Rokskiy tunnel linking S. Ossetia with Russia that should have been a prime target for the Georgian Army. Caving the tunnel would have prevented ALL Russian armor from entering S. Ossetia, leaving the Russians only aerial support and paratroopers.
As it turns out, that's all the Russians needed to repel the Georgian Army of 25,000; 25 obsolete Su-25s and 1,000 paratroopers. The Georgians had fled before Russia's 58th Army even reached Tskhinvali,.
This "war" will be fondly remembered as being a repeat of the Battle of Thermopylae where a small Greek army delayed a far-superior Persian army until the main Greek army mobilized to decimate the Persians.
It is crucial to consider Gibson's question to Sarah about her thinking process when asked by McCain to take the number two spot. Palin; "I said yes right off the bat"... "I didn't blink.." The idea that she did not even pause to consider the offer, did not even blink, should give everyone great pause. Great pause indeed.
Does she presume her answers are a direct expression of God's will?
Because if she believes that God has a plan, any good Christian knows deep reflection and prayer is the only way to align ones self to his side.
Not unblinking adherence to a mans political wishes.
Amen. What sane person would not at least consider the 'pros' and 'cons', as in drawing a line down the middle of a piece of paper and filling in two columns, then comparing them ?
This is the scariest thing she's said so far from my perspective. A new mother with a demanding job already and a large family who are still growing (in more ways than one) . . . and she doesn't even blink ? Freaky. What about her commitment to her current job ? That's not important ?
If this is how she makes decisions we really might be toast. . .
Now, if Pope Jean Paul II said catholics should think of God as female, why can't you do the same?
Thinking that prayer can align you with a deity is called Black Magic if it is for selfish ends and White Magic if it for good.
Either way it is MAGICAL THINKING, very primitive............................lizard
"Because if she believes that God has a plan, any good Christian knows deep reflection and prayer is the only way to align ones self to his side."
Whether or not Sarah Palin is aligned at God's side or whether or not there is a God has absolutely nothing to do with anything being discussed here.
1. Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!
* Refrain:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
2. At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never ’gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.
5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.
Boot camp sing along?
You must be an atheist?
I'm not an atheist.
Sarah Palin has never met a world leader, but I have met at least three presidents (I am a journalists), a number of ambassadors and a minister of two from several countries and I AM NOT QUALIFIED to be VP or Pres. She is clueless but doesn't know and that makes her even more dangerous.
"Clueless in Wasilla"
Alaska's first family in a laugh a minute comedy where anything can happen.
Of course, meeting any politician is a completely worthless experience. They smile, they shake your hand, they spin some BS, then they move on.
It only gets real if you are really negotiating with them. Heads of state do this sometimes face to face. Below that level, its ambassadors and emissaries from the State Dept, and these days some US Generals and Admirals that do that work. So, these are the people who have real foreign policy experience.
Its not foreign policy experience to go on some congressional junket where everyone is given a scripted dog and pony show.
Its not foreign policy experience to do a photo op with a foreign leader.
Its not foreign policy experience to be an incompetent pilot who gets shot down while committing war crimes and then collaborates with his captors.
None of the four candidates has any real foreign policy experience.
And that doesn't matter, because that puts them in the same boat with almost every other US president. Bush Sr's time with the CIA and being a diplomat means he had some real foreign policy experience before taking office. The next one back before him was probably Eisenhower with his experience at SHAEF during WWII. Before that ..... I can't think of any Presidents with foreign policy experience.
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Poppy Bush was arguably the best-qualified Presidential candidate in US history, with a broad range of experience and service. Yet he was a very mediocre chief executive. Probably just a Republican trait...
The deal between Reagan and Gorby was we wouldn't mess east of Germany. Well, advisors in Georgia, Nato everywhere, radar in Czech Republic, and missiles in Poland. Putin is ticked and we aren't getting the message to stay out of his back yard. Especially with strategic weapons.
Don't be surprised if a couple wings of top notch MiGs are disparched to Tehran to protect Russia's "interests" there. This could get ugly.
Good points, bbr-001.
And you're right - this could get ugly. With "100 year war" McCain and "Shoot 'em before sunrise" Palin, it's guaranteed to get ugly.
And if the US goes to war with Russia, Russia has all the kinds of nukes that can penetrate any US missile shield.
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v4i3russia.htm
In any case, the Russia is the US's second largest supplier of oil or was that third. Even if it's the 4th largest, Russia could still force the US to back down by shutting off its oil supplies which would drastically raise the price of crude oil as if 100-150 a barrel weren't bad enough. Besides, I hate to admit this but the US is the biggest importer of bought Russian brides from what I can gather about those Russian bride ordering sites. My hunch is all that said, Palin is nothing but more Cheney-esque fluff and puff. She is not only a DISGRACE to women but also a further DISGRACE to the country at large. This country has already been a total DISGRACE for the past 8 years and the last thing it needs is another 4 more years of it !
The largest supplier is Canada, followed by Mexico and then Venezuela a Nigeria. The Russians own US assets which they can sell causing damage to the US dollar. They can reduce oil to US European allies driving up the price for everyone. Russia also has weapons it can supply to America's opponents. They could, if they wanted to, provide SAM to the afghanis, much like the US did when the Russians were in Afghanistan. That turned the tide and cost the USSR its existance, and put the Taliban, armed and financed by the US, in power.Taking on Russia is stupid...........................lizard
First she seems to be a disgrace to Christians world round.
Ah yes, true that. I'll keep that in mind the next time I have to mention what a disgrace she is.
LoL and of course Snowwolf is all for Palin and her support for attacking Russia :) The one thing you've got to hand to the neo-cons is that they all are 100% in lockstep with each other, even if the ideas they support are complete suicide and idiocy. Wish the Dems could be as united as the neo-cons.
I really hope we DO attack Russia. With our military completely bogged down and stretched paper-thin in Iraq/Afghanistan, it would be hilarious to watch us try to attack the 2nd most powerful country in the world and get our asses handed to us. Knock the cocky, bullying USA down a few notches, where it belongs.
You neo-cons need to stick to attacking 3rd world poverty-stricken sandboxes with little or no militaries, like you always do (and which even then you cannot win, like in Iraq). I say "you" because I sure as hell never agreed to the Bush Doctrine, or the illegal Iraq invasion. Note the irony: it's OK for the US to bomb the shit out of another country that has never fired a shot at us, but when Russia invades a country that actually DID illegally invade another country, they are the bad guys. LOL
Got hypocrisy?
"The only thing required for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing."
Soccer Mom from Hell
When I heard this interview something inside me collapsed. You remember that scene in Braveheart where Mel gets knocked off his horse by the evil king's armored knight who turns out to be the Earl of Bruce - the guy he had hoped would unite the Scots - and when he saw who it was he just sort of whimpered and gave up. Yesterday I realized that I'm lost in a Kurt Vonnegut novel, and I now know how the world is going to end. Can you see it? Looming huge over the fire and mushroom clouds, the world delivered into her hands like some demented, apocalyptic Madonna, a giant, slightly cockeyed Soccer Mom who never read a line of Kant in her sillyassed life.
You remember Kant? The philosopher who told us we could expect eternal war as long as we relied on defensive alliances instead of peaceful federations? Alliances of victory instead of any real effort to deal with mankind's fatal disease?.
WWI was the insane bloodbath that followed a Rube Goldberg booby trap of interconnected "alliances" of this kind. The kind which anchor the realities of Palin and Lugosi to their loony picture of a secure world. War with Russia? Palin won't pause for a minute to think it through. She'll just do it, with a big lipsticky smile of smug righteousness and the first bright explosions reflecting off her designer glasses.
The world has turned into a funnybook. I give up.
We have been lost in Kurt Vonnegut's "Hocus Pocus" for many years now.
How many remember the fallout shelters and air raid drills from the 50's?
Now where was it that our government put those fallout shelters???
Well when I saw it something inside of me rose up. I think it was the pitbull in me putting on her lipstick.
Lord, another scary dumbass ideological Rethug without a clue. I have as much foreign policy experience as this idiot. I've been to more countries than she has, and I have talked to as many heads of state as she has.
She actually would go to war with Russia - that alone should make her anathema to anyone with a brain. But then again, since most Americans don't think with their brains, they think with their privates or their muscles or while loudly thumping the bible and wrapping themselves in the swastika, er, american flag - she'll probably boost McCain's votes by millions.
"The only thing required for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing."
She said if a NATO Ally is attacked the other members would have to respond...well Duh...thats what the NATO charter is...and it was made to stop Russian Expansionism
She should have said "NATO should be disbanded. It serves no purpose post Cold War other than to provide a market for the American MIC to sell its arms. Even if we don't disband it, it's an acronym for North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Why would we let a tiny Central Asian nation with nothing to offer NATO membership?"
Uh, what Russian Expansionism???????
Its the US that's going into old components of the Soviet Union like Georgia and the Ukraine.
I don't see the Russians trying to make a breakaway state of the US a part of a Russian military alliance. If Russia was trying to bring New Mexico into a military alliance against the US, then I could see the point of talking about Russian Expansionism.
But when Russia objects to the US trying to make old parts of the SU a part of an active military alliance that can only be aimed against Russia, its a bit bizarre to be talking of 'Russian Expansionism'.
Gawd, the BS just keeps getting deeper.
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This is why NATO should have been disbanded at the time the SU fell.
It was a military alliance with a specific purpose. That purpose disappeared when the SU fell. Ever since then, its been a beauracracy and military spending concern looking for a mission. We've fought one war (Yugoslavia) and are fighting another (Afghanistan) largely to give it a purpose.
Its incredible stupidity to be tweaking the Russian by expanding NATO first up to the edges of the old SU (by bringing in the eastern europe countries) and now into the old SU (Georgia and Ukraine).
This seems to be a deliberate provocation of the Russians. And it does absolutely nothing to improve the 'security' of the US or the original western europe nations.
My guess is this is mostly about arms sales. Every new NATO member has to buy a ton of military gear on the NATO standards to integrate their military into NATO. So, each new country that joins NATO means big new arms sales for the merchants of death.
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You forgot to mention what NATO is doing now.
Fighting insurgents in Afghanistan, in a so called War on Terror, which cannot be won militarily and in which the foreigner is an occupier supporting war lords who keep in power by controlling opium sales, and the "enemy" the Taliban are considered as liberators form foreign imperialism, not only that but they already beat the Russians in the same game, and now NATO is screwed too.
If this idiot Palin gets in as VP I can see the Russians offering the Taliban a few ground to air missiles just to make the circle round!
Georgia was a part of the former USSR. Which is exactly why they ought not to be a member of nato. Too eager to fight the ruskies I think you are. You're an idiot.
that photo gives me the creeps...............
Awwww, they look like they are going to get kissy-kissy and suck face.
How long will it be before McCain gropes for Palin's crotch?
Would it be yesterday if you had your choice WTF?
Nah, she's not my type. Her butt is as wide as a HumVee, and her legs/thighs are thicker than the Alaskan pipeline.
Stop it. What are you in Junior High? We are talking about getting in a war with Russia. I have three words - Napoleon, Stalingrad, and WHY?.
Joe
ditto. . . makes me wonder just why miss sarah always seems to be selling herself out to these degenerate father figures
(eg Ted Stevens) . . . of course, as a teenager, she did go on '3am moose hunting trips with her dad' . . . one of whose favorite sayings was "what's normal" ?
An affair in the oval office! At last some repukes will be impeached for the same 'crime' that Clinton got nailed for.
get used to it...you're gonna see it on the nightly news through 2012
And once you lose you're job after more union busting policies keep coming, you'll be lucky to even have a TV. Your "Labor Contract" is just a piece of paper until it actually materializes.
That's the scariest thing I've heard in a long time *shudder*.... actually wait, that's not true. You're implying the McPalin ticket will get elected. If that's the case we'll all be dead from the consequences of their war-mongering well before 2012.