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12.17.11 - 1:33 AM
In (Dismaying) Pursuit of Life, Liberty and A Less F#@%ed-Up Government
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Show AllExactly, swansong -- you nailed it ... thanks for emphasizing that point.
And thanks to Abby Z. for posting this video plus links to G. Greenwald's & Addicting Info's posts.
Greenwald's column is especially enlightening and enraging (It includes an important video clip of him explaining to C. Uygur how the NDAA merely (well isn't that a euphemism) codifies what both Bush/Cheney and Obama have been doing for the past 8, 9, 10? years with respect to our civil rights: essentially whatever the hell they want.)
Lastly: I just wanted to mention that M. Wheeler (www.emptywheel.net) has been posting some excellent stuff on this topic as well.
Swansong's right, WriterRighter. Read Greenwald's article--there's a link below the video.
What constitutes a 'belligerent act' these days?
What will they define as a belligerent act when the oil runs out and the changing climate displaces and starves a few billion people?
They are planning for the collapse they know is coming.
So should we all.
say good bye to the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th amendments; 4th was thrown out under bush; 1st amendment is being attack as we speak; how long til they come for the 2ed and 3rd?
The way I read the third, it just says "the government can't do this" unless it passes a law saying that it can. Shouldn't be too hard to get that one passed since soldiers plucking people from their homes in the middle of the night is now legal. Hell, the house is empty now, just give it to the military much the same way the unconstitutional RICO act gives government bodies power to seize houses and automobiles and boats and other large items seized from persons prior to conviction on drug charges, who also often fail to receive return of their property even after a not guilty verdict at trial. This all began many years ago and "mission creep" (at least) has gotten us to where we are now.
Right on Punk Patriot!
Not a bad rant by Punk Patriot. However he seems to be a little confused with his terminology. He claims that "this is anarchy". The term anarchism derives from the Greek ἄναρχος, anarchos, meaning "without rulers". Most Americans would be shocked to learn that they are, in fact, without rulers, whether a cop or a boss or a politician. "This is tyranny" would be a better way of describing the current environment.
Speaking of ancient Greece --
"The best exponent of anarchist philosophy in ancient Greece was Zeno (342-267 or 270 BC), from Crete, the founder of the Stoic philosophy, who distinctly opposed his conception of a free community without government to the state-utopia of Plato. He repudiated the omnipotence of the state, its intervention and regimentation, and proclaimed the sovereignty of the moral law of the individual - remarking already that, while the necessary instinct of self-preservation leads man to egotism, nature has supplied a corrective to it by providing man with another instinct - that of sociability. When men are reasonable enough to follow their natural instincts, they will unite across the frontiers and constitute the cosmos. They will have no need of law-courts or police, will have no temples and no public worship, and use no money - free gifts taking the place of the exchanges. Unfortunately, the writings of Zeno have not reached us and are only known through fragmentary quotations. However, the fact that his very wording is similar to the wording now in use, shows how deeply is laid the tendency of human nature of which he was the mouthpiece."
Zeno was way ahead -- or, you might say, behind -- his time, considering that his favored model was already being practiced in every non-"civilized" society on Planet Earth.
Punk Patriot also uses the phrase "law and order", as if the two were synonymous. In fact, the most orderly societies have not been based on law but custom. Laws were created to codify wealth disparities, and later to mitigate some of the fallout from the CHAOS this created.
Finally, it should come as no surprise to anyone the idea of "balancing the powers" has failed miserably. At the time of the Constitutional Convention, "anti-federalists said that they preferred a “democratick” system to an “aristocratick” and that the Constitution did not erect a “Democratick or Republican,” government where democracy was generally defined as a political system that gave space to “the great body of the people, the middle and lower classes,” as contrasted with “the few men of wealth and abilities” who comprised the “natural aristocracy.”
Meanwhile, we find Jean Varlet in France, circa 1773, warning --
"One truth is weIl demonstrated: Man by his very nature, full of arrogance in the higher positions, inclines necessarily toward despotism; we sense now that we must hold in arrest, in check, the established authorities; without which they become all-oppressive in power. Let us not seek to counterbalance them byeach other; all counterweight which is not that of the people itself is false."
on the bright side - 0 may decide to indefinitely detain all the GOP contenders.
I haven't read all the comments - but is there a summary of how the politicians from ALL the states voted on this bill? It would be nice to know the names of the brave few who opposed it.
Politicians often make "show votes" when their vote is not needed to pass the bills the leadership favors. It is relatively meaningless.
Kucinich is a good example of this. He voted against many bad n\bills over the years, when his vote had no effect on the outcome. When his vote was needed recently on the health care bill. he was pressured, cave, and reversed his stance.
So our "brave" progressive politicians are only brave when there is no danger, and only vote in our interests when it is a certain losing cause. Then they can appear "brave" - only when it does not matter.
The road back to freedom goes through 9/11 truth.
Hands-down the best, most honest, poignant, and blisteringly RIGHT-ON rant I have ever heard. I love this guy. He GETS IT. This needs to be heard - profanity and all - by every Amereichan. Wake the fuck up you apathetic, clueless sheeple. LOVE This guy, love what he says here.
Several years ago, Ralph Nader observed that what we have in America is not democracy, but the illusion of democracy.
That illusion has now been shattered.
The dude tells it like it is.
All my life, the press and the political establishment used to crow endlessly about our "great open and free society". I haven't heard it from them in 10+ years. And for good reason: they don't want one.
If and when civil war comes, don't forget the American Press and their complicity in this shit. Treat them just like the vermin in the two parties and on Wall Street. (Especially the hypocritical MS liberal press. The biggest liars of all.)
Good points in a highly articulate outburst.
It is true that your government does not give a fuck about you. Not about your welfare, your job, your health, family, wealth, or rights. It will take any or all of these whenever it is convenient to do so.
The problem is that we encouraged it's rapacious thuggery by not giving a fuck about all the foreigners it has killed in the last 50 years.
We "forgot" that it is a psychological impossibility for the one organisation to have an aggressively murderous policy of blood-soaked rapine abroad, and a respectfully tolerant policy of civil liberty at home.
When such chickens come home to roost they are inevitably vampire vultures.
I say this not merely to chide you all - but to remind you that when we begin to care about each other then we will begin to put a halt to the many grotesque barbarities of our governments. Caring only about ourselves is not enough. It is never enough. It makes us too easy to divide and conquer.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
~ Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
It's time for Americans to face some basic truths:
The policeman is not your friend.
Anyone who "supports the troops" is to be regarded as the enemy of liberty.
Those you have helped put into office regard you as the enemy.
People are going to have to learn to do things they never thought they would have to do.