New York City police kettled and arrested scores of Occupy Wall Street protesters Saturday as about 5,000 attempted to march across the Brooklyn Bridge. Updates here, livestream here.
Oh look. American Democracy (tm) inaction.
There is no reason to bow to Bloomberg's Fascist Blue-Shirts and their undemocratic thuggery and abuse of power. The Blue-Shirts otherwise known as the NYPD is an organization that has an undemocratic, authoritarian culture and is in deep need of lawsuits and lessons of how police are to act in a democratic, Constitutional society...in fact Bloomberg is one of the corporate oligarchs who should be protested.
More people need to protest, organize and stop the corruption and ownership of our democracy, representatives and courts (thanks to the Corporate Supreme Court Citizen v. United) by corporate fascists and oligarchs such as the lilliputian Bloomberg.
Using the bridge was not a good idea, just saying. They are sending in the marines if I am not mistaken. Heads up.
Are you joking!?!
"Peaceful Protest Invokes Military Response" sounds like a pretty good headline to me!
I read that about the marines on a couple of sites but I don't know if it is true. I thought it would be the national guard but maybe they are all in Iraq spreading democracy and don't have time to destroy it here.
Since 2008 the US Army has had a "battle group dedicated to"quelling domestic disturbances".
That is not a good sign...that needs to be changed.
Changed? __ Maybe a division instead of just a dinky battle group?
Could always use Blackwater troops.. They are paid on average $700 a day, let em earn their pay.... They don't use mace or pepper spray either,,,, They use machine guns... "Okay men,. clear the bridge, Goveror Perry wants to sell it again." .
Thanks Wayne, I needed a good laugh.
Huh? So you think the Marines are a match for Brooklynites on their own turf? Just saying. If they were to be foolish enough to send the Maines into Brooklyn, it is a lose/lose situation. The visuals of Marines against a group of loveable unarmed youngsters of all races marching together... That would galvanize the borough.
Based on long experience, they are more likely to hire crazy-acting people to dominate the demonstration, to discredit it, and to scare participants away. The demonstrators have to decide what diversity and acceptance look like, as opposed to when they are being taken over and undermined by deliberate disrupters with unfriendly motives.
I don't know, but if this continues to grow as rapidly as it has, I'm sure there will be contingency plans. The thing about the bridge, if things go wrong there is no plan-B.
"... I'm there will be contingency plans."
Long since drawn up. Do a search for "Bush + NORTHCOM + Halliburton camps"
In the fading weeks and months of the Bush Junta, the 'Posse Commitatus' .act was thrown aside, and NORTHCOM, or 'North American Army Command' was formed, for the express purpose of crushing any public insurrection. And Obama never rescinded that order.
From the Wikipedia article: "The Military Commissions Act of 2006 lifted many restrictions placed on the military to support civilian administration by the Posse Comitatus Act, however the US Supreme Court ruled in June 2008 that significant portions of the MCA were unconstitutional. The "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" H.R. 5122 (2006) effectively nullified the limits of the Insurrection Act when it was passed; however, the bill was amended in 2008.
On 1 Oct. 2008, the 3rd Infantry Division (United States)’s 1st Brigade Combat Team was assigned to U.S. Northern Command, >>>marking the first time an active unit had been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command<<<. The force will be known for the first year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, and >>>will serve as an on-call federal response force for terrorist attacks and other natural or manmade emergencies<<< and disasters."
Or this article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/bacon3.html
Here's the good bit: "Note that the President doesn't even need a state of emergency to call out the troops. But a state of emergency would help, and has customarily been used by state governments after catastrophic acts of nature, for example, to call up the National Guard and to ask for federal support."
"The new domestic military command, NORTHCOM, was set up for this purpose. NORTHCOM includes a task force which consists of active, Guard and Reserve military members drawn from all service branches, as well as civilian personnel, who are commanded by a federalized National Guard general officer. From its mission statement: "USNORTHCOM plans, organizes and executes homeland defense and civil support missions."
"Admiral Michael Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs on NORTHCOM: “The command also has maturing relationships with agencies inside our country, the FBI for instance.”
"Oh goody, domestic military forces which are ready to provide "civil support" have "maturing relationships" with organizations that spy on US citizens and keep files on them. But what about the Posse Comitatus Act (Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 1385), which states: "Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both." Posse Comitatus is supposed to keep troops in the barracks regarding domestic situations, right?"
"Well, no, according to Homeland Security: "The Posse Comitatus Act is often cited as a major constraint on the use of the military services to participate in homeland security, counterterrorism, civil disturbances, and similar domestic duties. It is widely believed that this law prohibits the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps from performing any kind of police work or assisting law enforcement agencies to enforce the law. This belief, however, is not exactly correct. . . . The biggest error is the common assertion that the Posses Comitatus Act was enacted to prevent the military services from acting as a national police force."
On the subject of the Halliburton camps, there is no end of 'tin-foil-hat-conspiracy' criticism, but... : http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13554
Ooooo, this is a good one! From Project Censored: http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/14-homeland-security-contracts-kbr-to-build-detention-centers-in-the-us/
" It is relevant, says Scott, that in 2002 Attorney General >>>John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be “enemy combatants.”<<< On February 17, 2006, in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary >>>Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country’s security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called “news informers” ( (!) Did he mean bloggers?) who needed to be combated in “a contest of wills.<<<”
"The contract of the Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build immigrant >>>detention facilities is (are) part of a longer-term Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of “all removable aliens” and “potential terrorists.” <<< In the 1980s Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld discussed similar emergency detention powers as part of a super-secret program of planning for what was euphemistically called “Continuity of Government” (COG)..."
So boys and girls, the PTB have been engaging in some long range planning for when 'We The People' start to get uppity.
I hope you're ready for a long haul...
Thanks for reminding me of some of these things. I recall the thousands of plastic sealable coffins photographed in Georgia near one of these facilities and the rumor that they were to be used for the victims of biological warfare agents spread by terrorists. But the camps are too numerous and too large to simply be used as bio-chem warfare quarantine facilities. Low to no cost political prisoner and poverty rioter labor is more like it.
The spending priorities of the insanely run amok DOD/DHS machine are far too obscene already for most Americans to tolerate concentration camp round-ups of non-violent protesters on top of it without creating widespread constant resistance, rebellions and chaos.
The fools who've run our country and planet off the rails have been so insulated from incisive criticism or effective political opposition for so many decades that they've convinced themselves that they can "manage" whatever crises they foment.
They're so insulated from the consequences of their massive serial failures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan that they won't acknowledge to themselves they've already miserably failed to manage those crises toward any resolution that is stable enough even for them to efficiently exploit--just as Wall Street has been so long insulated from the consequences of its major market failures and the overall failure of Milton Friedman's neo-liberal theory of economics that its denizens believe with smug assuredness that they can afford to pretend indefinitely that everything's just hunky-dory and the troubles with "the little people" have nothing to do with them whatsoever.
What they don't realize is that it's all already beyond their control no matter what they do at this point, and their manufactured disaster capitalistic crises are synergistically feeding each other faster than they and their eager servants and dupes can even understand it viewed through their neo-lib/neo-con fairy-tale lens.
The worse our ruling elite fuck up the country and the planet, the more wholistic the solutions to their designed for-profit catastrophes will have to be and the tighter and more permanent the muzzle will have to be that is finally installed on them.
That was great :)
"What they don't realize is that it's all already beyond their control no matter what they do at this point, and their manufactured disaster capitalistic crises are synergistically feeding each other faster than they and their eager servants and dupes can even understand it viewed through their neo-lib/neo-con fairy-tale lens."
Nice quote that one is going on my facebook wall.
Thank you for that post. Amid all of this negativity and "doomsday-ism", for lack of a better term, it's a tough pill to swallow to think about those 1% in power being in control of the world, and it's very comforting to think about these bastards with a tight muzzle.
Thanks very much for all that work, very comprehensive. I knew the rules have changed but this is more than I expected. Never underestimate the power of greed, I've seen that first hand and found it hard to believe. We are all in this together though and I am most proud of the efforts being made by Occupy Wall Street.
yes, thank you. I have been aware of what you've shared here as well. I've been reading various sources about this very thing for quite a number of years. I believe the recruitment and shipping overseas of our individual states National Guard to fight in the corporate profit resource wars is purposeful and plays an intrigal part in this scenerio as well. Sigh.
Galen, Senator Obama voted for the Military Commissions Act. Funny that people didn't notice this when he was pretending to be the new Martin L. King on the campaign trail.
Good post! I remember it well!!
There ya go. Now, the Amerikan System of Injustice and the Prison Industrial Complex will benefit from this. Whatever happens they always win.
How much $ will you take to stop doing what you are doing?
Oh, one Troy ounce of molten gold poured down his throat should about do it... That or thirty pieces of silver.
God Bless the stupid, stupid NYPD.
Who has done more to promote this thing than them? ;)
Another march that nobody notices just became Worldwide News!!
Why did the fools make the line to begin arrests ON the super-iconic bridge itself and not before?
Are we sure the cops AREN'T already with us?
This is a good comment, as are the rest from you. I think that officer Tony Baloney was the best publicist for the Occupy Wall Street action. The action is getting pretty decent, non-snide, coverage on our local news channel 1.
It was a GOOD idea to go over the Brooklyn Bridge. The main chant was "We are the 99%, and so are you". You should have seen the reaction from motorists, honking horns, to fists and peace signs out of windows. Positive reactions outweighed middle fingers about 100 to 1. People are fed up and were happy to see this group of nice, mostly young, people. They are very sweet, smart and soulful.
(Perhaps it was not a good idea for some to get off the pedestrian walk and go onto the roadway and get arrested. Perhaps. But it is a learning experience for later reflection.)
Where will this lead? Nobody knows for sure. But it is one of the best things I have seen recently. I am looking forward to October 5, when the unions join the group. And I do think that many cops are sympathetic, although it is not an automatic bridge from that to not arresting people, if so ordered.
Why do you say getting arrested was a bad idea?
Is it getting negative coverage?
I think it was BRILLIANT! :)
Young people in a struggle for freedom getting arrested for walking on a public thoroughfare that also happens to be a Global Icon. Terrific stuff.
Think about the supposed crime -traffic safety violation!
The cops were fools to make the arrest point the middle of the bridge.
But the marchers were geniuses for seeing it and forcing a big arrest number.
Getting arrested is not 100% good, clearly. Arrests take up time and the resources of volunteer lawyers. People are often injured. Sometimes arrests just happen unprovoked and nothing can be done about that. In my opinion, it is a good thing when the reason is clear and the group agrees in advance. .
It is not clear to me why some decided to split off from the main march and go onto the roadway. I am not clear either whether that was the only group arrested. Others may have been detained for no reason at all. These occupiers review and discuss everything, so I suppose they will come to their own conclusions.
The main march should have been on the roadway to begin with. ;)
Do the People own the entire Bridge, or just the walkway?
The cops should have just put a line in front of and in back of the marchers to keep traffic safe and let the marcher's march.
This arrest WAS unprovoked. Or would have been so in a just and free society.
Civil Disobedience is going to have to play part in this. And there is not always time for letting the whole group decide together.
When the Law is used as a tool of repression, getting arrested becomes a necessary thing to do.
Plus, the picture sure makes it look like the main march WAS on the roadway in any case.
Now we are agreeing, I like that better!
if civil disobedience is going to play a part in this, why not save it until a rational part gets scripted?
The Brooklyn Bridge wasn't repressing anybody and the motorists heading for Brooklyn hadn't somehow come to corruptly rule America.
Was it Thomas Jefferson who said that only through random acts of lemming-level stupidity and purposeless clogging of the roadways can a nation truly secure freedom and prosperity?
Or was it Alfred E Neuman?
We are talking about it all over the country aren't we? Even neo-con shills like you, so obviously they are smarter than you! The first time a critique of Wall St. has entered the national dialog, obviously the establishment media or politicians aren't going to do that.
No, Alfred E. Neuman said "What, me worry?", which is an apt summary of your attitude toward the encroaching fascism in this country.
Thanks John. People like fuster who only see this as a roadway block or inconvenience either don't want to realize what is happening in this country or are too damned stupid to believe that it can't happen in the U.S.
According to what I know from having been there, the cops split our group and led part of the group onto the road -- and the rest of us remained on the pedestrian walkway. At that time, there was one lane open to traffic, albeit a very slow lane. Then, the protesters took the bridge -- OUR BRIDGE -- and about halfway across, the cops were prepared to begin arrests, en masse.
I was told that a New York Times reporter was arrested. If true, this is great news! We also heard that a couple of kids were arrested -- a twelve-year-old and a thirteen-year-old. Of course, protesters were outraged. But, think about it for a moment. The U.S. military forces in the Middle East arrest boys, why should it be any different here? It's the same system.
All of this news came through when we were still walking across the bridge on the pedestrian walkway.
When we reached the park, we learned that as many as 400 protesters had probably been arrested. After we were in the park for about an hour, still waiting for the people who were walking across on the pedestrian walkway, we were told that the cops had closed off the pedestrian walkway and were also arresting those people.
Suddenly, the cops began to come into the park, and several of them spread out around us protesters. Then, we heard that they were bringing in buses and planned to arrest those of us in the park. At that point, the crowd began to disperse. The leaders, or however they refer to themselves, announced that they would make sure that anyone from out-of-town got back to Manhattan safely.
We were forced to use the subway to get back to Manhattan. We had planned on walking back across the bridge. No doubt, the details will be more clear tomorrow morning, after all the facts and stats are sorted.
"Then, the protesters took the bridge -- OUR BRIDGE -- and about halfway across, the cops were prepared to begin arrests, en masse."
unless you bought it, it ain't yours. (prolly not even then as others might also have bought it)
The People of New York own that bridge last time I checked.
Individual people have a right to use public property.
Do you really think what these marchers are struggling against isn't more important than a half-hour stoppage of bridge automobile traffic?
it doesn't much matter what i think because the law is very clear, but, since you asked, I fail to see how the traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge has a damn thing to do with it and also fail to see why the publicity from being arrested wasn't exactly what the demonstrators were hoping for,( assuming that there was any thought at all ).
Individual people do not have the right to use public property in ways that have been legally deemed impermissible....and abrogating to themselves the right to deny permitted usage by other citizens is most definitely not within the protestors' rights.
there isn't any point to this other than publicity as there's nothing being advanced in argument beyond WALL STREET BAD.
my nephew lives with us these days and he's been one of the demonstrators for the past week and, despite being inquisitive and talkative, he hasn't been able to find any program for change widely shared among his fellows.
There was no denial of permitted usage here.
And even if there was, the right to use the public roadway for automobile traffic is trumped by the right to use it on foot.
And even if it wasn't, the struggle against the current system is more important than bridge right-of-way laws.
no matti, the automobile traffic is not trumped by people deciding to walk in the roadway. the bridge is designed for both and people who decide that that they're gonna deny the rights of motorists......just got themselves trumped...and trussed.
where ever did you get that bullshit claim from?
have you ever been on the bridge?
the walkway is wide and there was no good reason to jump into the roadway.
Its a roadway.
Automobiles have been on roadways for about 100 years.
Foot traffic has been on roadways since the first one was built in the depths of prehistory.
No LEGITIMATE Law can be made forbidding foot traffic on roadways for any reasons other than safety and convenience.
Traffic safety and convenience are trumped by the need to stop the destruction and theft on a Global scale by the "Wall Street" institutions.
And yes I have been on the Bridge several times -it is quite famous you know.
Not exactly true at least in my state, freeways or interstate roads prohibit pedestrian use. You will never see pedestrian traffic on a freeway unless it is an emegency.
" It dosen't much matter what i think, because the law is very clear." What law, who's law? Do the ones who make these laws, ALL of them, follow the laws? Are the laws just for certain segments of the population? You talk about the law like it really makes a difference any more! From where I sit, the law only applies to people who can't afford a high priced lawyer with connections to paid off politicians. Good for your nephew; experience is a good teacher and I commend all who are out there. As to the "manifesto"; wordy, but true, My words? "WE ARE OCCUPYING THE CESSPOOL OF THE US of A. Tony
Let me guess Uncle Fester you think the sub prime and derivatives Ponzi scam + bailout, and endless war that painfully burns to death hundreds of thousands of civilians to death, and costs us TRILLIONS is double plus good, but dog forbid people block a bridge for half an hour? See how you are, with misplaced priorities? Shame!
It is lucky the protestors had at least 500 people with them, in Sacramento last year 68 pedestrians were killed by drivers. It is almost a crime to walk any where. Anyway, everyone should know that regardless of traffic conditions, pedestrians have the right-of-way.
We agree again!
I don't have any "corporatist buddies", my little hero, but it's the demonstrators who are doing the privatizing of the common property of the Brooklyn Bridge.
Demonstrators are nor really REALER PEOPLE than anyone else.
Thanks, at least, for not screwing up Lincoln's words.
You are interesting to study.
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