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Tucson = Roe v. Wade

GOP Arizona State Senator Linda Gray blames abortion, not too many guns in the wrong hands, for the Tucson shootings. Say what? Listen: If you want to disagree with some of us and have reasoned, thoughtful, vaguely coherent political discourse about that disagreement, fine. But these idiotic non-sequiturs are unhelpful. Also, they make us despair for our country. If we can't outsmart crazy or stupid, where does that leave us?
On how legalizing abortion led to the Tucson shootings: "Why respect life if we can kill an infant who can't defend themselves. It goes back to the value in the creation of life and the respect for that life and if your not trained and have that type of character in realizing that all human life deserves respect this is what our country has come to."

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Show All"Why respect life if we can kill an infant who can't defend themselves."
Agree wholeheartedly. Stop murdering babies in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Word, this is nothing but a center right prog distractionary issue two-fer.
Until the left focuses on systems issues economics, empire, and ecology, (EEE) we will be endlessly distracted and divided and will lose to the oligarchy.
So, they outlawed abortion across the land, and the complaint became, 'if you can't respect your own body by not smoking dope, why would you respect anyone else by not shooting them?'
'if you're going to drink alcohol...'
'if you're going to watch porn...'
'if you're going to gay marry...'
Ain't that the truth - logic in America, present day.
Seems to go with the latest body of an infant found in a dumpster, which is a much more moral choice (I suppose - to them), and doesn't affect the bottom line of insurance-care.
Linda Grays statement on abortion is not only an idiotic non-sequitur but also a hypocritical ad hominem. Abortion bad....killing innocent babies in illegal wars good. Please!
Maybe she should expand that logic into saying that if Arizona can allow people who need organ transplants to die, why respect life.
Abortion the only killing fully endorsed by the left.
Abortion is not a right or left issue. It's a human issue.
And it's not killing. Killing implies there is a life, there isn't. There is potential.
However, it is fully endorsed by the left, your other statement is only your opinion.
It is not fully endorsed by all the left, as it is not fully disagreed with by all the right.
And the latter statement is not opinion, it is FACT.
Opinion accepted.
Save the Whales, Hug the Trees, and Kill the potential Children.....GOT IT!!!
Just want to make sure my liberal views are in order.
Morbid Morticia
Your a great candidate for potential death, maybe we should help speed that up???
If potential life gets 50/50 chance to live or die by abortion
Your life is potential death and maybe you should play Russian roulette.
HOW is Your potentially dead life (you will die) any better or more deserving than the potential life of a baby???
If babies were turned into fur coats you would probably want to save them.
Is that you SR? ......lol
"If we can't outsmart crazy or stupid, where does that leave us?"
Pretty much where we are right now, kinda fucked.
Whoa... so you're saying Ms. Gray that GUNS don't kill people, but DIFFERENT political beliefs or racial backgrounds do?
Oh, I get you.. you're saying that DRONES don't kill people, they just kill tiny figures on the ground that are having funerals or weddings, or that they are just faceless BROWN skinned androids that don't really have blood, or families or rights and are in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Actually a foetus is not an infant and it's not a baby. It hasn't been born so it's not a person yet. That's why it's called a foetus.....which is not at all a political word as medicine defined the term. However, looking at your medical budgets.....
AZ budgets don't kill people, because really you think that if THOSE people took care of themselves, they wouldn't need a replacement part? Oh, so they are all STUPID??? Stupidity kills...? Ah now you're perfectly clear, Ms. Gray.....STUPIDITY KILLS! Aren't you going to make a law against that?
Pedophilia a crime endorsed by the Catholic church.
Priests are anti-choice because they are pedophiles.
I was born & raised Catholic & have had the joy of knowing some amazing priests, who would show you the same love & respect they'd show a member of their congregation. The epitome of loving in Christ's example.
This is hardly a fair statement.
Why don't you check out:
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=soj0207&article=020741d
http://reformation.com/CSA/bibleabuse.html
http://www.catholicmatters.com/pedophil.htm
Pedophilia is not a problem of a particular faith.
" A person is a person no matter how small "
I would have a lot more respect for these protesters,
these Christian , if would pick up an anti-war signs, and anti patriot Act signs, to protect our first amendment rights , as well as the constitution.
But they are close mined, controlled, and part of a system desperate to keep Americans confused and divided.
Are people in the middle east, children, women, men, that have died as a result of to illegal invasions, at the hands of American military might, not worthy of a Jesus led clan protesting death. Are not the deaths of people from actions of war, abortions ?
Its not a right,left or political issue, its a choice that a woman can make, a God given choice that she must live with, one way or the other.
Whats wrong with the simple intellectual understanding, that God gave us free thought, and free will. That the decisions each of us make while on this planet were a gift from our creators. That the final judgment comes not at the hands of men, women , or people of faith.
Choose life, not war, choose peace. Trust your fellow man and woman to make the best decisions they can for them selves. But dont trust governments to protect us, for their power is gained by controlling our free will,.
Our freedoms are protected by the constitution.
And ,above all, hold accountable those that would take our constitutionally protected free will, and kill in Gods name.
War is not the answer, but the conclusion to the enslavement of Americans by those who feast in its blood and empty glory while telling you you are safe and burning the constitution at the same time.
"It goes back to the value in the creation of life and the respect for that life and if your not trained and have that type of character in realizing that all human life deserves respect this is what our country has come to."
says the rep, right before she votes for capital punishment, war, the elimination of children's medical and food assistance (at least for kids out of the womb), etc.
I can't hate these f*ckers enough. But I'm working that issue.
HEY, DRONE THATS BEEN PROGRAMMED
Capital Punishment = Dumb Criminals who got caught
War/Military = Volunteers/Warmongers who want free college for murder
Child Medical = FREE ABORTIONS (born or unborn children)
The problem with your statement is this.......Children DON'T GET A CHOICE!!!!
Criminals choose to be Criminals
Soldiers choose to be Murderers
CHILDREN DO NO CHOSE TO BE KILLED OR ABORTED.....FIGURE IT OUT MAN!!!!!
they are not children
it is a blastocyte
or an embryo
or a foetus
Drawing that line is above our pay grade.
Morticia Yeah your Right!!! "THEY" are anything EXCEPT a CHILD.
THEY JUST HAPPEN TO CONTINUALLY TURN INTO CHILDREN !!!
Gotta Just be a Coincidence, cause I'm sure Evolution will kick in Anytime NOW, so that "THEY" can evolve and avoid being Aborted???
we've long been an invaded and occupied country
illegal aliens, posing as god fearing christians
have taken over the place.
and they're slowly devouring everyone
even themselves
Ask any thinking fetus if it wishes to be birthed into this kind of nation. Ask any thinking adult if it would live its useless, stupid, empty life again. Women who love CHILDREN abort their fetuses. Anyone who loves children would never demand they live through this awful life.
"The death of a child is never really to be regretted, considering how much he has escaped." (Thomas Hardy)
godistwaddle
Since your life is empty and not worth living and sucks so bad .......
Could you come over to my place and clean up a bit???
Will you do it If I say that I love you???
On a positive note at least you can make my life better, instead of complaining about yours.
I see no complaint about my life in my post. I've been very lucky, in fact, but most aren't.
I love vacuuming.
The professional christians are not pro life they are anti women, they are for the unborn until they are born , then they are on there own
If you are a christan you would consider we are all god's children from the unborn to the oldest and it is your personal oblagation to take of the ones that can't take of themselves.
While I agree that abortion legalization is a bit of a stretch to connect it to the Tucson killings, I have to laugh!
Connecting the Tucson killings to Iraq & Afghanistan is just as much a stretch.
If you're going to discuss the Tucson shooting, fine, discuss it.
If you're going to discuss abortion, fine, discuss it.
But, neither topic is really about the wars.
or health care.
Agreed!
All valid topics for discussion, but just like Congressional bills, when ya combine topics, a lot is lost.
I agree to a point . Abortion does make life less valuable in people's minds , but that has no direct impact on the Tuson shootings nor does the right to own guns. It was a crazy person that should have had help with his mental problems . The local law inforcement had had contact with him several times , and you can be held for 72 hours for mental evaluation in that state. It seems to me they sould have had at least one officer there to help with traffic and crowd control.