With 9/11 fast approaching and Florida wacko Terry Jones "definitely
praying" about whether his planned Burn-A-Koran-Fest might actually offend Muslims, fellow-Florida wacko and teevee evangelist - talk about your oxymorons - Bill Keller declared
Muslims will "burn in hell," along with Glenn Beck, Mormons and other
undesirables in his first "sermon" for a planned 9/11 Christian Center
at Ground Zero. What would Jesus say?
On those wanting to
build the cultural center known as Park51: "All
these people will die and burn in hell."
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Show AllWhen Keller and his ilk finally go to their great reward they will be confused as to why heaven is so hot and stinks of sulfur.
I don't think anybody likes this scumbag. Still, there's a lot of hypocrisy here. Members of other faiths have done far worse than spout some hate speech and burn a few books.
So this guy is best left ignored. In the meantime, mistakes in your own clans, your own philosophical groups, the ones who you support, they need to be taken down a peg for their own hate speech that easily transcends what this turd has to offer.
So do you support Hamas? Do you support Ahmadinejad and Khomeini? Do you support Chavez?
Something to think about.
"So do you support Hamas? Do you support Ahmadinejad and Khomeini? Do you support Chavez?"
WTF?? or what kind of nonsensical, inapposite straw men, guilt by manufactured association is this?
Ptips is another zionist troll.
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Terry Jones, Is he the former Rev Jim Jones twin brother? He's the spittin image of a sleazy used car salesman. Check out the beached hair; what's up with that vanity for a preacher. A hate-loving preacher: oxymoron.
Jones was SO much better when he was in Monty Python!
Another post-superstardom solo career gone awry, I'm afraid. ;)
Hahahaha! Nice!
Not to quibble over details, but that picture above is of Keller rather than Jones. Jones is a bit older, and I think he has a moustache.
Nevertheless, scumbags the both of them.
"He's the spittin image of a sleazy used car salesman."
They all are.
Encourage him to speak, get him going, let him spew his filth and ignorance.
He will hang himself with his tongue and the majority of the nation will see his sickness and insanity.
He is nothing to fear. He is just another sick little man hiding horrible things in his closet looking for a time to breakdown and beg forgiveness from his fellow man.
Until then we must focus on the people in need and desperate for love and food and shelter and hope. These are the people lunatics like this feed on and if we do not take the time and the understanding to reach out in love we are the ones to blame.
Not crazies like this bozo.
Of all of the insults hurled at Muslims since 9/11, being grouped together with Glenn Beck must be the worst by far.
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Isn't Beck a Mormon?
Yes, and he will burn in Hell.
(But that [has] nothing to do with his being a Mormon :-D )
How about organizing a Bible Burn-a-thon across the street from the Koran burn-fest?
An eye for an eye, a bible for a bible, right?
Spitting in the face of the many Christian groups (including evangelicals) that oppose the koran burning...
I concur. I cannot stand to watch books be destroyed. But if this idiot wants to fight dirty then lets hit him where it hurts.
Well, actually... The way you're supposed to deal with worn out and old bibles is to burn them. Tossing them in the garbage is a far worse thing, and I don't think that recycling the paper would go over very well either.
Heaven forbid Hustler magazine prints their mag on recycled bible pages, eh?
Your right if you burn a Bible a Christian won't behead you......
But if you burn a Koran a MUSLIM MIGHT!!!
FIGURE IT OUT.....DUH!!!!
Test that out, sonny.
Take a bible to the front steps of, ohh, I dunno, Liberty Baptist University and spark up a bible. Wrap it in a flag and make sure you have a bullhorn to tell them what you're doing. They might not behead you, but you will have your head kicked in.
Many Americans who oppose a mosque near ground zero are arguing, in effect, that ALL muslims share responsibility for 9-11. All 1.6 billion of them. This 'they all look the same' argument is easier to see when it is applied against Americans: That American church that wants to burn Koran's, is being represented by radical Taliban islamists as indicative of ALL Americans, cuz, don't ya know, 'they all look the same'. So, they are theatening a terror attack, after which ALL Muslims will be blamed. And so it goes.
Wish the sane amongst us could just tune the 'saved' out. It would be easier if they weren't so dangerously unstable, and armed.
Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatic grievance.
A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both.
Eric Hoffer, from The True Believer
Seems we all have to stare into the abyss, and we all 'blink' in different ways.
One of my favorite books. Still, meaning and purpose should never be used as synonyms linked together for emphasis. Purpose has a goal. Purpose is satisfied and disappears once a project is completed.
Meaning is a far more elusive and constant striving. It can never be fully satisfied. Meaning is more personal. A whole community may have a purpose (winning a war, raising a barn, making a discovery) but meaning is something each individual must find for herself.
Hatred can give meaning to an otherwise empty life but I would disagree with Hoffer that hatred can provide a purpose. The object of hatred must never be obliterated. If the object of hatred disappears the life is empty again.
Neither fear nor hatred can be overcome by destroying the object of that hatred. Hatred of anything can live on after the object of that hatred is gone----"If only that ----had not hindered me I might have..."
Good comment Nietzsche,have you noticed that instead of hatred,the word love, in those same statements, is interchangable.
peace
Hate begins at a church near you where one is taught moral superiority to all that worship all of the OTHER phony gods. It's a way of life for the easily manipulated non thinkers that believe any and all lies. All gods are lies and just a way of teaching you to kneel before masters.Turn off you mind and tune in to gods lies for god will reward you when you have wasted your life and your good mind on the trivial pursuit of everlasting life and you get to hebbin for what you DON"T do!
Hate begins at home. Misquoting the bible comes later, as a justification.
And atheists never hate anybody, ever?
One of the things Christopher Hitchens has said that he dislikes about Christianity is that it requires one to forgive one's enemies....
A requirement that is very often observed in the breach of that commandment.
It's not the requirement that is offensive. It's the hypocrisy in demanding that others forgive their enemies but not really practising what they preach. I've heard too often the crap about 'love the sinner, hate the sin' to buy the argument that xtians really do forgive those who 'trespass' against them. Don't you folks say that the unbeliever is going to burn in hell forever as punishment for not believing in a bronze age god?
At least the militant anti-theists are honest in their contempt for those who would shut off their brains.
Actually, no "my folks" don't. Nobody at the church I attend thinks that way. (And Hitchen isn't talking about "contempt for people with closed minds." He hates anyone who disagrees with him on pretty much anything).
The OP was specifically saying that the hate *comes* from religion. I call BS on that.
Truth is, americans love to hate, of course we do it is an emotion but an emotion that society demands to not be revealed. Law dictates that when it does rear its ugly head.
But, being an emotion and trying to keep it hidden only intensifies it until it just has to come out or make one 'explode'. And most of the time it is done for all the wrong reasons and in all the wrong ways.
Evangelical, political, financial and a host of all kinds like to use this pent up emotion for their own propagandist reasons which is basically a conspiracy, most important, conspiracy to riot which is a felony. But will those conspirators ever get their day in court? Not likely as they are doing what the MAIN conspirators want, to keep the peoples' attention away from them thus avoiding the root of the problem.
What to do? One thing is include the mainstream media as part of the conspiracy because they are a WILLING tool to carry out this overt clash of 'differing' ideas or the breaking up this strangle hold of the 4 or 5 conservative conspirator owners doing their worst so as to allow differing opinions to be withheld and only THEIR hateful dogma be put to the people.
But don't look for this to happen anytime soon because a lot has been done to create this disinformation mess we have to endure so as to have the information system we have, not to matter how bad it is.
Jones was a member of Monty Python..My sides are beginning to hurt.
Two different people, of course:-
Terence Graham Parry Jones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Jones
Rev. Terry and Sylvia Jones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Jones_%28pastor%29
The Nazz would say, "WTF?!"
A Christian centre *at* Ground Zero??? Isn't that disrespectful, a slap in the face? These are the same people who squawked about Cordoba House being vaguely in the neighbourhood somewhere.
Seriously, though - I don't thnink one denominational group should hog the icon. It was an ecumenical tragedy, a national tragedy, not to be owned by a single special interest.
This guy needs to drink the kool-aid.
First came the word. Before language there were no gods and no fools to worship them. God has a special plan for you; what an outrageously arrogant statement. The hubris of believers ! Belief in the big lie sets you up for all liars that follow. You are here to go! That is all; help your fellows along the daylily trail. A daylily is a hemerocallis for all of you hall monitors. There is nothing that fails as prayers fail. God cannot come to aid you because god is already everywhere.If your god ever came to change anything it would preclude his omnipotence and omniscience. The act of circumcision spits in the face of so called intelligent design as it removes a mistake of gods. Get the picture your imaginary moral superiority is not at all imaginative.
Oh I wish I was magical. I would take all of those Korans ( where is he buying them anyway?) I would take the real Korans and switch covers with Palin's "Going Rogue" book.
Then all of the Palin people would to continue gobble up the neo Korans, thinking they were Palin's words, and actually read them and maybe learn something new. The Koran burners would actually be burning "Going Rogue," and I just bet, that a rainbow would appear during all of this as a sign of the covenant for literacy!,
Somewhere in the cosmic future: Beck and Jones are sitting in a nice waiting room, and in comes this cool dude who says, "Hey guys, been waiting for you. You can call me JC. Come with me." So, they follow JC out a door and enter into a virtual paradise, birds are singing, it is not hot, not cold, babbling brooks are everywhere. JC says, "See all of these trees loaded with fruit, take what you want, when you want. And no need to store any, the fruit will always be here." Beck and Jones see all kind of people, just hanging around, talking and laughing, everyone looks so happy. Then JC says, "OK guys, I will leave you now, but you two just walk around until you find someplace you want to settle down, then I will contact you later and set you up with a contractor to build you a house." So JC leaves and Beck and Jones start looking for a homestead.
A little later, both Beck and Jones find suitable areas to build their new houses, of course near a babbling brook and fruit orchid. But, some of the other people there come over and demand to know who they are and what they are doing. So Beck and Jones relate what JC had told them. The people laughed at Beck and Jones and said, "Fuck JC! He don't mean nothing to us. We do not like the way you look, get the fuck away."
So, Beck and Jones took off for fear that some trouble might start. The two of them sat near a brook and decided to drink some water, but when they drank, the water tasted like gasoline. So, they picked some fruit, but when they tried to eat, the fruit tasted worse than an unripe lemon.
Beck and Jones were wondering when JC would show up again and straighten everything out, but JC was busy showing Rush and Sean around...........
The moral of this story is this: those claiming to be Jesus Christ or His spokesman, are most likely a wolf in sheep's clothing.
BTW, I do not claim to be a Christian.
Well this bible thumping,hypocrite, christian fascist, pastor must have either never read the bible or is too dumb to understand it! If he considers Muslims his enemies; doesn't it say somewhere...to love your enemies? I do not think it says anywhere to hate your enemies. In the time of Jesus, Samaritans were considered much like pastor Jones considers Muslims today but Jesus made it a point to praise the good Samaritan. But pastor Jones could be right about Glenn Beck!
As a victim of right wing radical religious gang stalking for over three years I can tell that these extremists are well funded, well organized and dangerous.
Make no mistake. their legions run deep into all aspects of our working society and neighborhoods.
They are mean , hateful, slandering,torture freaks.They dont like gays,blacks, womens rights, or our legal system.Now they dont like Islam.
As far as I am concerned, these idiots in Gainesville are showing their true colors of ignorance and hate.
Real Christians, people of peace and love , should be screaming at the top of their lungs to end these occupations , stop the hate, but the TV evangelical ministers are deathly quite on this issue.
Why, is this a Holy war??? Or a bought and paid for war???
They have been empowered by very rich people and corporations that fuel the hatred for the purpose of empire and wars,
These empowering forces need hate and an enemy to continue the chaos and fear.
Enter the radical right wing Christian lunatics , peace, love and forgiveness for 99 percent of the Islam nation, are not a part of their Christian vocabulary.
These fake Christians are being paid to fuel the fires of hate, Even though 23 crazy murdering criminals are to blame for 9/11.
Well, Quid pro quo, every time a priest, preacher, Rabi, or pastor commits the crime of child molestation, maybe we should blame all religious institutions, and shut them down.
As a peace activist who has been protesting the wars, you know, saying stuff like, " Dont bomb Iran" " Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan " " Support our Troops ,Bring them home " I have been accused of putting our men in a war zone in harms way.By not supporting the wars, showing that Americans are not united in the illegal occupation of two sovereign nations that did not attack us, apparently give our enemy strength.
And now, those who are for the destruction of Islam and trying to burn Korans are being accused of putting our troops in a war zone in harms way.
So , any freedom of speech , puts our troops in greater harms way in illegal war zones .Right, I mean , " United we Stand " " Freedom is not Free " Your Either with us or against us " Do none of these statements in support of our military actions of war, not put our troops in greater harms way.
Its a Freaking War, full out kill or be killed war.
I do not condone the burning of nations flags , Bibles , Korans , books, intellectual property, private property.
That said, when did it become more dangerous to be in a war zone ,due to freedom of speech, than the actual act of being in another country as an invading Army of occupation .
Hello , ITS A FREAKIN WAR OF OUR STUPID LEADERS CHOICE, ILLOGICAL, WAR MONGERING EMPIRICAL CHOICE.
Its not any more or less dangerous because of what we say or do over here, that dog dont hunt, and its a stupid thing to say.Being soldiers in a war is having death knocking at your door, when it comes knocking, we dont know who will answer, but we know some one will.
You dont need more or less excuses to shoot your guns in a war.OUR TROOPS ARE OVER THERE, the people they are fighting hate us, no matter what we do or say, as long as we stay as an invading army.
They are going to shoot and kill each other , its a freaking in war.
Sure , I understand that it could be a motivating factor, lets see, something like this " hey , over there, American pig troops, lets not shoot today, I dont feel like being shot back at, wait , their burning Korans in America today, get some!!!"
You think it will go down like that???
Some good news here:
http://www.elca.org/Who-We-Are/Our-Three-Expressions/Churchwide-Organization/Communication-Services/News/Releases.aspx?a=4628
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) joined a coalition of Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders to denounce rising anti-Muslim rhetoric and bigotry in the United States, as the country prepares to commemorate the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The religious leaders met in Washington at the request of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Plainfield, Ind., which hosted an emergency interfaith summit Sept. 7. Afterward, the interfaith leaders released a statement at a news conference at the National Press Club.
They stated, "As religious leaders in this great country, we have come together in our nation's capital to denounce categorically the derision, misinformation and outright bigotry being directed against America's Muslim community. We bear a sacred responsibility to honor America's varied faith traditions and to promote a culture of mutual respect and the assurance of religious freedom for all."
Where ever we go , welcome or not, guns a blasting, or not,
We are winning the hearts and minds of all the people who's paths we cross.
They either hate us or love, depending on we pay.
Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatic grievance.
A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both.
Eric Hoffer, from The True Believer
Seems our descent into insanity is complete.
Are we sure they aren't the new comics at SNL?
Muslims, and Hindus, and Jains, oh my!
I was thinking it might be fun to organize an equal opportunity religious book burning ceremony, sort of ironically in line with those COEXIST bumper stickers.
We could burn one bible, one Koran, one Torah, one Atlas Shrugged, one book of Mormon, one (whatever book the Scientologists fancy), a copy of The God Delusion, etc. It could be a sort of interfaith coming together thing with a big pot luck to demonstrate that belief is bigger than books.
Yes of course, book burning is stupid unless it's last year's phonebook, but it would be cool to steal some of these bigot's thunder...
Yawn, this old Indian thought maybe, just maybe, you would have the problems of your Nation all solved by today as well as the Earth Saved.
Any outside chance your going to have the earth saved, and the problems of your Nation solved by Christmas or shouldn't I hold my breath?
There are stories from within Tribes that Jesus lived with them long ago before the European's arrived to set up their modern day Roman Babylon upon the earth.
So if the stories are true that means he was out from under the Rule of the Europeans who called themselves Romans, out from under the Rule of Herod, out from under the Dictatorial rule of Religion of Israel, and out from under the Mammon system of Rome, and other Nations.
If those stories are true.
Would have meant he left this dimension at one time in one land to another dimension, and then returned from that dimension back into this dimension to another land, this land, at another time to another peoples.
Many prophetic researchers consider your Nation to be the Beast Kingdom of Mystery Babylon that is an utter abomination before God. If they are correct then your Nation is also an utter abomination before Jesus.
But don't worry yourselves this old Indian isn't holding my breath you'll have the problems of your Nation solved or the Earth Saved by Christmas.
If Jesus ever did some inter-dimensional traveling again through time and took on human flesh he might just hang out with us Indians. One never knows.
Life is good. What an experience! It's always best to forgive.
Well Jesus may or may not hang out with you Indians, but I can assure you one place he definitely would not hang out is with pastor Terry Jones!