Seems to be the question of the day for so many things: Evil or Stupid?
Joe
Posted by Chuck
Aug 26 2010 - 8:58pm
Both!
Posted by John_Ellis
Aug 27 2010 - 1:39am
Evil is to enrich yourself upon the misery of another, whereas stupid is to fall sucker-bait to such evil.
Posted by tsk_tsk
Aug 27 2010 - 7:05am
//Seems to be the question of the day for so many things: Evil or Stupid?//
Exactly. Perhaps evil is stupid?
Posted by nosurrender
Aug 27 2010 - 1:47pm
Yes. And willfully stupid is evil.
Posted by kogwonton
Aug 28 2010 - 7:18am
E = (W + I)S~C
("~" signifying the exponent)
E = evil
W = willful
I = ignorant
S = stupid
C = cruel
Posted by goingwithin
Aug 26 2010 - 9:18pm
Totally tasteless and irresponsible!
Posted by joshuafalchion
Aug 26 2010 - 9:33pm
That anyone expects corporate capitalism to have a sense of morality or decency just shows that people don't understand corporate capitalism.
--Joshua Hendrickson
Posted by drone
Aug 26 2010 - 9:54pm
I think clueless sums it up more than anything else. Marketers are probably 22 years old and Abu Ghraib is sooooo 8th grade.
It was a stupid and incomprehensible ad anyway.
Posted by Puck..Twain
Aug 26 2010 - 10:10pm
I was at a KMart today and noticed a "Terrordactyl" in the toy department. As someone who works in the field of human development, I say American Western society is about 90% numb to the reality of it's humanity. On the one hand one can say, "Great! Look at all the room for improvement", on the other hand...time might be running out for improvement(though for the last year I've noticed an increase in the marketing of peace symboled cloths, jewelry and artwork; at KMart and other major retailers...so maybe it's about "all the room"?).
Posted by John_Ellis
Aug 27 2010 - 1:34am
Verizon is one of the gods of High Society that rule our Empire, surely and keeping us “little people” reminded of our doomed existence is their primary tool of enslavement.
Posted by qatzelok
Aug 27 2010 - 10:41am
Verizon's power to control the Internet is probably a more powerful tool of enslavement.
That's why they don't really care about your opinion or mine: they can shut us both down and replace our opinions with the opinions of the marketing firm who created that ad and hundreds more.
Posted by coolhead
Aug 27 2010 - 2:31am
It's time for boycott. I'm dropping Verizon first thing in the morning, and I am telling them why. I am also sending this ad to everyone I know, and urging them to drop Verizon as well.
Let's act!
Posted by wanked
Aug 27 2010 - 12:16pm
I dropped Verizon some time ago. Went to Credo...all profit goes to progressive causes of my choice. My phone bill's cut in half too. Free phones, even blackberrys, and they pay to buy out the old contract. Best company ever !! Fuck Verizon.
Posted by mathew loughran
Aug 27 2010 - 5:52pm
i have seen credo. right now me and my gf are with at and t and they are ripping us off i think plus they support alot of right wing crap too.
would credo be able to lower our cell bills?
matt
Posted by bornfreemen
Aug 27 2010 - 4:28am
Verizon is the biggest violator of the 4th amendment,
not only do they wire tap your phones,cell phones , and internet activity for the purpose of collecting data to hand over to the 800000 contracted spy analysts in Washington ,,, they also participate in community watch ground surveillance and gang stalking.
Trust me when I tell you you , these gang stalkers love torture, they come from all walks of life and businesses , part of the infragard , citizen corps , americorps ,nation wide network. Our country is being inundated with volunteer stazi gang stalking tailgating law less torture freaks.
Verizon is run by a bunch of unconstitutional pricks, and are protected by immunity.
For 6 months in 2007 , I had Verizon trucks tailgating me every where I went , walking into clients offices I visited, and hading out NSL letters, they are one of many in my three years of being stalked that have slandered my name without probable cause or signed warrants.
Those adds , are exactly what you think they are, sick and twisted conceived by a bunch of torture freaks.
Posted by julchen
Aug 27 2010 - 5:10am
One more very good reason to avoid Verizon!
I am sure, though, that there are people (plenty even) who find this kind of ad/commercial amusing....
Posted by Z1
Aug 27 2010 - 5:34am
It's a corporate America thing.
Posted by m60green
Aug 27 2010 - 7:20am
God Bless Corporate Amerika, One Nation ABOVE The Law.
Posted by harrylime
Aug 27 2010 - 8:01am
All the Droid ads are very creepy.
Check them out.
Wow this is off the charts.
Posted by mujeriego
Aug 27 2010 - 8:41am
Verizon : "Are You wiretapping me now?"
Posted by Snoop
Aug 27 2010 - 8:51am
Damn, I thought those alien invasion stories were just another urban legend.
Posted by readytotransform
Aug 29 2010 - 10:20am
Snoop, i don't think they are......Or i should say, how would it look any different?
Posted by melcho
Aug 27 2010 - 9:04am
This is the way the 4th branch of the government (aka the media) normalizes and trivializes very serious issues like torture in day to day life. Absolutely disgusting!
Posted by Rainborowe
Aug 27 2010 - 9:15am
Verizon is a lousy company, anyway. Unfortunately it's the only phone company in my area. It has this great trick of sending me a huge bill every 3 months and then charging me for late charges on the bills I never got. They suggested I get online billing. Guess what? They don't bill me online every month, either.
Posted by NateW
Aug 27 2010 - 10:16am
Verizon are so reprehensible that they make me wax nostalgic for the days before Ma Bell was broken up.
Posted by Buck
Aug 27 2010 - 11:38am
Verizon is a criminal enterprise, a branch of the criminal government.
Posted by Obedient Servant
Aug 27 2010 - 11:47am
Over the years, it's become fashionable to accept advertisements, especially teevee ads, as at least potentially an "art form".
The utterly tasteless and tacky use of this imagery belies this notion.
Infotainment and communications corporations have actually exceeded motor vehicle corporations in their shameless manipulation and naked inculcation of expensive services as status symbols.
I notice innumerable tawdry micro-melodramas promoting the meme that the Good or Right parent MUST own and rely upon state-of-the-art smart phones and services to keep track of their kids, remotely-supervise their kids' shopping sprees, and even quickly summon replacement entertainers for their kids' parties if the scheduled entertainer doesn't show, or isn't suitable!
Oh, and for Serious Emergencies too.
On another note, which is relevant but probably won't make sense to anyone: you know how PBS stations have little PBS ads between programs? I think they're called "bumpers" in the trade-- the tarted-up descendants of "station identification" displays.
Well, some division called "PBS World" has such a bumper which appears to show people bouncing up and down within a plaza of skyscrapers. I presume they used gymnasts or dancers on trampolines to achieve this effect, but one doesn't see the trampoline.
The visual image is just an eerie, slow-motion pan of these... bodies... going up and DOWN in front of a dark façade of skyscrapers.
I'm the LAST person to buy into 9/11 hysteria and maudlin sentimentality, including the bogus "Ground Zero" label. But this freaking PBS bumper strikes me as a truly eerie, creepy inadvertent (?) "parody" of the desperate WTC jumpers on 9/11. I find it particularly weird because the visual is so ominous and seems disconnected from the "PBS World brings you the world" motif or whatever the blurb is supposed to be.
Sorry to take up so much space describing this, because I've never been able to find anyone else who's seen this brief interlude and will either validate or disabuse me of my perception. If you watch channels with "PBS World" broadcasting, keep an eye out and see for yourself.
Talk about "clueless". What were they THINKING?
Posted by nosurrender
Aug 27 2010 - 1:55pm
I've seen those ads, too, and was nonplussed by them, but since I am nonplussed by most advertising these days I didn't pay any attention to my feelings. But you are absolutely right. They really are a creepy subconscious reference to 911, intended or not. What's worse, though are the greenwashing BP, Mobil and Chevron ads that have popped up all over public television. Public television is educating us, the public, about how we are supposed to think about these things.
Posted by Obedient Servant
Aug 27 2010 - 8:44pm
Thanks much, nosurrender, for directly validating my observation!
Finally! It's trivial in the scheme of things, but you've made my day by dispelling that "Twilight Zone" feeling I've had ever since I started seeing that bumper and tried to explain it to others.
I have relatives and co-workers who watch PBS channels, or at least claim that they do. But no one knew what I was referring to-- I even unsuccessfully searched the Internet to see if I could find it on the PBS sites.
Now that I think of it, it also bothered me because PBS typically goes for saccharine, touchy-feely bumpers (if that's the right term) showing happy family-style affection, etc.-- or, like NJN, tasteful panoramas with background music and sound effects.
Anyway, although an agnostic skeptic, I sincerely say "bless you!"
Posted by readytotransform
Aug 29 2010 - 10:32am
O.S., i haven't seen these bumpers. Yikes!
As with the verizon ad, i think it is part of making us numbed to suffering of others. And to accept torture as part of the landscape. Which of course it is already.
It is also an attempt to be very......ultra hip, i think. Sort of like the conceptual art of (what was his name)? The artist who did the "Piss Christ" piece and created such a stir, because he was funded by the NEA.....
But i did quickly check out the pr firm mentioned above, Hills and Knowlton. I am waiting for dolphins dying in the oil plumes adds.....For????
Posted by Kurt
Aug 27 2010 - 1:42pm
"Yes, we're very sick and we don't care who knows it."
What could they hope to gain from sending such a message?
Are they allowing Verizon to be used in serving the agenda of some behind-the-scenes controlling interest?
I smell Big Zio.
Posted by aesops dog
Aug 27 2010 - 4:12pm
I wouldn't be surprised if Hill and Knowlton produced this video.
Posted by aesops dog
Aug 27 2010 - 5:55pm
For those who do not know who Hill and Knowlton is, I suggest you start here:
They also had exclusive rights at the Copenhagen global warming summit, probably at Al Gore et. al request. I suggest that you google Hill and Knowlton with any mischivous deed and you should find them there. They are affiliated "somewhat" with the intel. community.
I think that this article is called "poisoning the well".
Posted by readytotransform
Aug 29 2010 - 10:21am
Thanks for the heads up, aesops dog. I will check them out.
Posted by aesops dog
Aug 29 2010 - 3:03pm
Ready, Here is a little something that may interest you. The "man of the hour" also was connected to ICTS who provided security at the Schipol airport when a certain individual tried to detonate his underwear. I looked into him with regard to Airport scanner contracts and other affiliations... Think William S. Cohen (cointelpro).
Lots of stuff out there but H&K also opened an office in Cairo about 6 months ago. There were lots of "press releases" then that are similar to the latest news about "The Egyptians find arms caches bound for Gaza on the Sinai".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ysOBBh7Lfg
Ok video but read the associated info.
Posted by Morticia
Aug 28 2010 - 7:29pm
what an effective ad campaign
it sure got the blogosphere talking :wink:
Posted by JC
Aug 29 2010 - 4:46pm
making a mockery of war crimes ... how clever and cute ..
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Show AllSeems to be the question of the day for so many things: Evil or Stupid?
Joe
Both!
Evil is to enrich yourself upon the misery of another, whereas stupid is to fall sucker-bait to such evil.
//Seems to be the question of the day for so many things: Evil or Stupid?//
Exactly. Perhaps evil is stupid?
Yes. And willfully stupid is evil.
E = (W + I)S~C
("~" signifying the exponent)
E = evil
W = willful
I = ignorant
S = stupid
C = cruel
Totally tasteless and irresponsible!
That anyone expects corporate capitalism to have a sense of morality or decency just shows that people don't understand corporate capitalism.
--Joshua Hendrickson
I think clueless sums it up more than anything else. Marketers are probably 22 years old and Abu Ghraib is sooooo 8th grade.
It was a stupid and incomprehensible ad anyway.
I was at a KMart today and noticed a "Terrordactyl" in the toy department. As someone who works in the field of human development, I say American Western society is about 90% numb to the reality of it's humanity. On the one hand one can say, "Great! Look at all the room for improvement", on the other hand...time might be running out for improvement(though for the last year I've noticed an increase in the marketing of peace symboled cloths, jewelry and artwork; at KMart and other major retailers...so maybe it's about "all the room"?).
Verizon is one of the gods of High Society that rule our Empire, surely and keeping us “little people” reminded of our doomed existence is their primary tool of enslavement.
Verizon's power to control the Internet is probably a more powerful tool of enslavement.
That's why they don't really care about your opinion or mine: they can shut us both down and replace our opinions with the opinions of the marketing firm who created that ad and hundreds more.
It's time for boycott. I'm dropping Verizon first thing in the morning, and I am telling them why. I am also sending this ad to everyone I know, and urging them to drop Verizon as well.
Let's act!
I dropped Verizon some time ago. Went to Credo...all profit goes to progressive causes of my choice. My phone bill's cut in half too. Free phones, even blackberrys, and they pay to buy out the old contract. Best company ever !! Fuck Verizon.
i have seen credo. right now me and my gf are with at and t and they are ripping us off i think plus they support alot of right wing crap too.
would credo be able to lower our cell bills?
matt
Verizon is the biggest violator of the 4th amendment,
not only do they wire tap your phones,cell phones , and internet activity for the purpose of collecting data to hand over to the 800000 contracted spy analysts in Washington ,,, they also participate in community watch ground surveillance and gang stalking.
Trust me when I tell you you , these gang stalkers love torture, they come from all walks of life and businesses , part of the infragard , citizen corps , americorps ,nation wide network. Our country is being inundated with volunteer stazi gang stalking tailgating law less torture freaks.
Verizon is run by a bunch of unconstitutional pricks, and are protected by immunity.
For 6 months in 2007 , I had Verizon trucks tailgating me every where I went , walking into clients offices I visited, and hading out NSL letters, they are one of many in my three years of being stalked that have slandered my name without probable cause or signed warrants.
Those adds , are exactly what you think they are, sick and twisted conceived by a bunch of torture freaks.
One more very good reason to avoid Verizon!
I am sure, though, that there are people (plenty even) who find this kind of ad/commercial amusing....
It's a corporate America thing.
God Bless Corporate Amerika, One Nation ABOVE The Law.
All the Droid ads are very creepy.
Check them out.
Wow this is off the charts.
Verizon : "Are You wiretapping me now?"
Damn, I thought those alien invasion stories were just another urban legend.
Snoop, i don't think they are......Or i should say, how would it look any different?
This is the way the 4th branch of the government (aka the media) normalizes and trivializes very serious issues like torture in day to day life. Absolutely disgusting!
Verizon is a lousy company, anyway. Unfortunately it's the only phone company in my area. It has this great trick of sending me a huge bill every 3 months and then charging me for late charges on the bills I never got. They suggested I get online billing. Guess what? They don't bill me online every month, either.
Verizon are so reprehensible that they make me wax nostalgic for the days before Ma Bell was broken up.
Verizon is a criminal enterprise, a branch of the criminal government.
Over the years, it's become fashionable to accept advertisements, especially teevee ads, as at least potentially an "art form".
The utterly tasteless and tacky use of this imagery belies this notion.
Infotainment and communications corporations have actually exceeded motor vehicle corporations in their shameless manipulation and naked inculcation of expensive services as status symbols.
I notice innumerable tawdry micro-melodramas promoting the meme that the Good or Right parent MUST own and rely upon state-of-the-art smart phones and services to keep track of their kids, remotely-supervise their kids' shopping sprees, and even quickly summon replacement entertainers for their kids' parties if the scheduled entertainer doesn't show, or isn't suitable!
Oh, and for Serious Emergencies too.
On another note, which is relevant but probably won't make sense to anyone: you know how PBS stations have little PBS ads between programs? I think they're called "bumpers" in the trade-- the tarted-up descendants of "station identification" displays.
Well, some division called "PBS World" has such a bumper which appears to show people bouncing up and down within a plaza of skyscrapers. I presume they used gymnasts or dancers on trampolines to achieve this effect, but one doesn't see the trampoline.
The visual image is just an eerie, slow-motion pan of these... bodies... going up and DOWN in front of a dark façade of skyscrapers.
I'm the LAST person to buy into 9/11 hysteria and maudlin sentimentality, including the bogus "Ground Zero" label. But this freaking PBS bumper strikes me as a truly eerie, creepy inadvertent (?) "parody" of the desperate WTC jumpers on 9/11. I find it particularly weird because the visual is so ominous and seems disconnected from the "PBS World brings you the world" motif or whatever the blurb is supposed to be.
Sorry to take up so much space describing this, because I've never been able to find anyone else who's seen this brief interlude and will either validate or disabuse me of my perception. If you watch channels with "PBS World" broadcasting, keep an eye out and see for yourself.
Talk about "clueless". What were they THINKING?
I've seen those ads, too, and was nonplussed by them, but since I am nonplussed by most advertising these days I didn't pay any attention to my feelings. But you are absolutely right. They really are a creepy subconscious reference to 911, intended or not. What's worse, though are the greenwashing BP, Mobil and Chevron ads that have popped up all over public television. Public television is educating us, the public, about how we are supposed to think about these things.
Thanks much, nosurrender, for directly validating my observation!
Finally! It's trivial in the scheme of things, but you've made my day by dispelling that "Twilight Zone" feeling I've had ever since I started seeing that bumper and tried to explain it to others.
I have relatives and co-workers who watch PBS channels, or at least claim that they do. But no one knew what I was referring to-- I even unsuccessfully searched the Internet to see if I could find it on the PBS sites.
Now that I think of it, it also bothered me because PBS typically goes for saccharine, touchy-feely bumpers (if that's the right term) showing happy family-style affection, etc.-- or, like NJN, tasteful panoramas with background music and sound effects.
Anyway, although an agnostic skeptic, I sincerely say "bless you!"
O.S., i haven't seen these bumpers. Yikes!
As with the verizon ad, i think it is part of making us numbed to suffering of others. And to accept torture as part of the landscape. Which of course it is already.
It is also an attempt to be very......ultra hip, i think. Sort of like the conceptual art of (what was his name)? The artist who did the "Piss Christ" piece and created such a stir, because he was funded by the NEA.....
But i did quickly check out the pr firm mentioned above, Hills and Knowlton. I am waiting for dolphins dying in the oil plumes adds.....For????
"Yes, we're very sick and we don't care who knows it."
What could they hope to gain from sending such a message?
Are they allowing Verizon to be used in serving the agenda of some behind-the-scenes controlling interest?
I smell Big Zio.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hill and Knowlton produced this video.
For those who do not know who Hill and Knowlton is, I suggest you start here:
http://www.bnet.com/blog/advertising-business/hill-knowlton-voice-of-the-bad-guy-thrives-amid-misfortune/3801
They also had exclusive rights at the Copenhagen global warming summit, probably at Al Gore et. al request. I suggest that you google Hill and Knowlton with any mischivous deed and you should find them there. They are affiliated "somewhat" with the intel. community.
I think that this article is called "poisoning the well".
Thanks for the heads up, aesops dog. I will check them out.
Ready, Here is a little something that may interest you. The "man of the hour" also was connected to ICTS who provided security at the Schipol airport when a certain individual tried to detonate his underwear. I looked into him with regard to Airport scanner contracts and other affiliations... Think William S. Cohen (cointelpro).
Lots of stuff out there but H&K also opened an office in Cairo about 6 months ago. There were lots of "press releases" then that are similar to the latest news about "The Egyptians find arms caches bound for Gaza on the Sinai".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ysOBBh7Lfg
Ok video but read the associated info.
what an effective ad campaign
it sure got the blogosphere talking :wink:
making a mockery of war crimes ... how clever and cute ..