Anyone 'out here' knows the situation, but seeing it graphically unfold before one's eyes is truly frightening. We are in the middle of a depression. Come on, folks, say it. Dee presh youn. But we have Obama and the corporate oligarchy instead of Franklin Roosevelt and partial socialism. Instead of a main street bail out, we are going to get more of the same. This is the way it's going to be from now on. Get used to it. Blame the Mexicans, blame the queers, blame the socialies, blame any red herring they throw out there. We are an oligarchy. That means a few very rich families in control, and a great mass of people who are in reality slaves. We don't have much time as a species, but the ending years are going to be this way. You can talk about democracy and freedom and self determination until you are blue in the face. Don't make no difference.
Posted by FastEddie75
Aug 11 2010 - 1:11pm
I second your opinion.
Posted by mathew loughran
Aug 11 2010 - 2:19pm
you both may be right but eventually people have to stand up and change this shit.
i mean real fundamental change not fake change like voting for corporate dims.
vote for greens and real progressives not owned by corporate interests.its either that or uprising.
the ballot or the bullet.
Posted by elfmachine
Aug 11 2010 - 2:16pm
I disagree. This is a pretty dramatic way to think about it. Dramatic and defeatist. It's frustrating that you're so ready to accept it.
We'll never live in any sort of utopian paradise, but come on... Why can't people see the potential in this depression to re-asses our priorities and figure some new things out? It COULD be like the Great Depression... but this is a different world. We don't have FDR, but there are powerful tools of communication in almost every household. Do you not see the potential in that for SOME sort of mobilization? This means something. All this bitching and complaining about rich people makes me sick. Yeah, fuck corporations and rich people, they suck... so... what? Have you completely withdrawn from the consumer capitalist system that keeps that fire burning? Or are you just whining about it over a slice of Domino's and a beer with TV on in the background? (lots of people still are, and it's paid for with unemployment checks.. which is problem #1.)
Honestly though. Fuck the economy. People worship money in this country. It never made me feel any better. Is it just me? Am I the only one who isn't worried about being "poor"? I've been poor before. It's not that bad... especially in cushy-assed America. We've been slaves for centuries, it's not new. So... why accept it now?
Anyways, no offense man. But I sure hope people have more fight in them than you've demonstrated with your post. And I'm probably delusional, but I honestly believe good can and will be done, with or without you.
Posted by Richard Nixon
Aug 11 2010 - 6:58pm
elfmachine
I think if we look at history, many times of hardship have led to right wing extremism which we are starting to see again. This is mainly why I am worried.
Also I still think or want to think it can change, but if we look at it, many systems are controlled by large corporations which do not have the best interests at heart... environmental issues, worker rights, ect.
Even things that don't look like they are corporately owned, are owned by massive corporations, like Tom's of Maine toothpaste is owned by Colgate, for example.
Also look at media, how do you even expect the average citizen to ignite a change when they are fed a narrative and routinely given what to think...
Lastly, one thing that it always seems to boil down to on these progressive sites, is how do we make a change when many of us see larger than life problems in many areas, I guess as Derrick Jensen says, try to pick one thing you love and do all you can for it.
One bright spot in recent days though is the Robert Gibbs comment, because I think it is causing a division between democrats and I'm hoping more will join/vote 3rd parties.
Posted by RichardsCatz
Aug 13 2010 - 12:52am
Sounds good (if your fit and able) there was a time I might have said ok lets jump in the prius and let'em know we're not gonna lay down.
Some of us however don't have that choics. I may crawl but I won't just lie down either.
>^^<
What ws that old maxim (Run, if you can't run crawl, if you can't crawl get someone to carry you) fits my situation.
Posted by Mordechai Shiblikov
Aug 11 2010 - 2:38pm
This is the way it's going to be from now on. Get used to it.
A few days ago, one commenter here in CD wrote that we're not in a recession or a depression. This is a paradigm shift. Well. here it is - illustrated.
Posted by 4thefuture
Aug 11 2010 - 1:11pm
This should be shown on every progressive website every day. We should all send the like to everyone we know. This is pain made visible. We need real and concerted action to end this disgraceful economic state of affairs.
Posted by RichardsCatz
Aug 13 2010 - 12:44am
Truth, you'll find this updated on the Right-Wing sights more, including locations of internment camps. For the displaced, and those with anti-government tendancies.
Put the economy under a bush for 8 years, and it dies.
If you didn't plan ahead and buy 100,000 acres in Paraguay to avoid the meltdown, you're out of luck:
http://theworstpresidentever.blogspot.com/2009/04/escape-valve-bush-buys-100000-acres-on.html
Posted by wantrealdemocracy
Aug 13 2010 - 12:18am
Oh, John, you are deluded. You think the Democrats are better than the Republicans. Bush is not the worst President. Our new boy beats him. Just like Clinton, this Democrat followed a Bush we all hate and then continued and expanded the Bush's programs. Billie got us NAFTA that Bush I could not do. O bomb em all has continued and expanded Bush II's wars. And the next war (or maybe wars) will begin during the lame duck period between the November election and the new Congress in January 2011.
We saw that unemployment map turn dark but do we realize there is the same amount of money is in the system as there was when we had jobs? The problem is that it has all floated up to the bastards that already have over 90% of everything. This 'everything' includes our Congress and White House. They bought it fair and square. We call this capitalistic democracy but it really is what Mussalini defined as Fascism---when the corporations and the government are one.
If we can throw out the corrupt and elect a new Congress, we might be able to tax the rich and end the wars. Afganistan did not attack us on 9/11 and Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Read the papers and watch the lies on the flickering box in your living room and you will be hyped up for the attack on Iran. Oh, it is so awful!! They might made a nuclear bomb in a few years. Any one have any idea how many of these weapons of mass destruction we have? And we know how to use them. Done that already.....and ready to do it again!! Who is the terrorist nation---the Evil Empire? Like Pogo said decades ago, we see the enemy and it is us.
Our nation is bankrupt. We are all out of work and instead of paying attention to our problems at home, our 'leaders' are going to expand the immoral wars. Good profits to be had by our wealthy citizens who are involved in the financial 'industry'. This 'industry' produces debt and ecomomic collapse.
We must not vote for the corrupt greedy buggers in Congress now---don't vote for them -- and don't think you are doing any good by throwing out one corporate party and replacing it with it's evil twin.
Posted by RichardsCatz
Aug 13 2010 - 12:39am
Kinda funny in a way, the TV targets them, then for the sin of building atom bombs we cover them and their country with a few million curries worth of depleated uranium dust from shells and armor on everything from humvees to tanks. Every bullet they shoot at us raises a bit more dust for them to breathe and get thru the skin and eyes. eventually giving everyone who fights cancer.
Gotta luv America, or wee keel u.
>^^<
Posted by cc1944
Aug 11 2010 - 9:55pm
The playing of that map provided in the link showed the country going from a first-degree to a third-degree burn.
Posted by north_coast
Aug 11 2010 - 11:33pm
Very apt and descriptive comment...
Posted by minitrue
Aug 11 2010 - 3:26pm
I was born during the last "Great Depression." I remember.
Someone asked, "What is the difference between a recession and a depression?"
Answer, "A recession is when a helluva lot of people are out of work. A depression is when you are out of work, too."
Posted by linkwray
Aug 11 2010 - 3:34pm
Lots has been said about this in the last 2 years but so little has been done. Economic trickery and short-term gimmicks are not gonna save our bacon this time. American corporations have set sail to new frontiers of profit amid growing 2nd/3rd world countries. There's no boom left in the baby-boomers. We have feed the consumption machine all we got and now it's time to move on and die. If you have money invest in alternative burial busineeses. That is the new growth industry. I'm putting all I got into Cheap & Easy- The Corpse Removal Co. " We really care about you dumb stiffs ".
Posted by RichardsCatz
Aug 13 2010 - 12:30am
ANd this time they took our money too! $700.000.000 anyway.
>^^<
Posted by independentminded
Aug 11 2010 - 3:36pm
Yup: This system is broken, and it has to be rebuilt, not just tweaked here and there and then considered fixed.
Posted by armybrat
Aug 11 2010 - 9:10pm
We might have done something 20 or 30 years ago - but now I'm afraid it's going to be blood in the streets - and NOBODY wants that. But we're past fixing anything through civilized means - now we're dealing with uncivilized, immoral sociopaths. Fascism fights to the death - are you willing to do so as well? If not, then there's not much chance of avoiding the increasingly oppressive totalitarian state. I know there is NOTHING that I can do - it will take a global effort to stop fascism - and too many countries already heartily embrace it.
Posted by WhenThen
Aug 12 2010 - 12:14am
When it all comes down, I expect our Military - sworn to defend our Constitution - will stage a coup in our favor, to counter the Fascist coup d'état staged by the Bush Crime Family on November 22, 1963.
When it comes down, whose side will be paying Cheney's Contract Killers? Ours or Theirs?
The United States Military will fight to uphold our Constitution - they will fight for us.
You army brats know that.
Posted by WhenThen
Aug 12 2010 - 10:59pm
Damn, I'm afraid you're probably right. You guys know a lot more than I do. There goes my last delusion.
Can anyone in the know, tell me if our U.S Military guys resent the Contractors, or not?
If the day comes when our military is ordered to fire on their own people - I mean like a huge group, not Kent State - at what point would they refuse to follow orders? Have they become no different than Cheney's Contract Killers?
I heard there were huge moans at West Point when the cadets learned that Obama planned to continue the war(s).
Sorry, those times are gone. It's just a job for them, if someone tells your son to bomb your home he probablly will, otherwise he'd be on the outside getting shot, with us, who will stand up to that.
Me for instance, I'll stand and make'em pay the price. I belive your position in hell depends on how many pull-bearers you have.
But driving acress the country rooting them out stone by stone I'm getting a bit too old, sorry
>^^<
P.S 15 million, So,American insurgents say I'm right. No-one will defend us.
Posted by independentminded
Aug 12 2010 - 2:01am
Holy shit! Unbef**kinglievablel!
Posted by OldBeforeHisTime
Aug 12 2010 - 5:26pm
And yet the official unemployment rate just never seems to get to 10% and beyond.
Can't have that psychological barrier broken or noticed so it always just gets more fractional from 9% but never attains 10%......which everyone knows it's pure BS anyway and has always been vastly understated.
In fact they even said unemployment went DOWN one month. Amazing.
It'd be nice to see an animation like this that shows home evictions too.
Where does the govt think all those people go, just vanish into the Twilight Zone or join the loving military?
BTW, there's a new paradigm of bullshit that's being pushed around for all manner of things too, economic, business, employment, you name it and that's the level of anticipated losses always being better when the time comes around to review it. It's been happening since the bailout days.
By their reasoning, any results that are LESS than the forecasted ones just HAVE to be better......even if they still show a LOSS and are a continuing marked decrease in things and a clear spiral downwards.
It's like a sinking life raft and all aboard are desperately bucketting out water to stay afloat and the air is rapidly going out of multiple gaping holes that's dooming them all. The waves keep crashing over them filling the raft and yet one well paid lying guy in a smart suit wearing the only life preserver keeps saying that each wave that's crashed over them isn't as bad as he's predicted after the last one washed over them.
Posted by RichardsCatz
Aug 13 2010 - 12:16am
Thank Greenspan and Reagan, only those actually getting unemployment checks show on that map, Then only the fully unemployed those of us on furloughs or long-term layoff don't get counted.
There are no real figures, last time I ran the raw numbers I came up with 32%, but I'm not an officall with all the information, it could be higher!
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Show AllAnyone 'out here' knows the situation, but seeing it graphically unfold before one's eyes is truly frightening. We are in the middle of a depression. Come on, folks, say it. Dee presh youn. But we have Obama and the corporate oligarchy instead of Franklin Roosevelt and partial socialism. Instead of a main street bail out, we are going to get more of the same. This is the way it's going to be from now on. Get used to it. Blame the Mexicans, blame the queers, blame the socialies, blame any red herring they throw out there. We are an oligarchy. That means a few very rich families in control, and a great mass of people who are in reality slaves. We don't have much time as a species, but the ending years are going to be this way. You can talk about democracy and freedom and self determination until you are blue in the face. Don't make no difference.
I second your opinion.
you both may be right but eventually people have to stand up and change this shit.
i mean real fundamental change not fake change like voting for corporate dims.
vote for greens and real progressives not owned by corporate interests.its either that or uprising.
the ballot or the bullet.
I disagree. This is a pretty dramatic way to think about it. Dramatic and defeatist. It's frustrating that you're so ready to accept it.
We'll never live in any sort of utopian paradise, but come on... Why can't people see the potential in this depression to re-asses our priorities and figure some new things out? It COULD be like the Great Depression... but this is a different world. We don't have FDR, but there are powerful tools of communication in almost every household. Do you not see the potential in that for SOME sort of mobilization? This means something. All this bitching and complaining about rich people makes me sick. Yeah, fuck corporations and rich people, they suck... so... what? Have you completely withdrawn from the consumer capitalist system that keeps that fire burning? Or are you just whining about it over a slice of Domino's and a beer with TV on in the background? (lots of people still are, and it's paid for with unemployment checks.. which is problem #1.)
Honestly though. Fuck the economy. People worship money in this country. It never made me feel any better. Is it just me? Am I the only one who isn't worried about being "poor"? I've been poor before. It's not that bad... especially in cushy-assed America. We've been slaves for centuries, it's not new. So... why accept it now?
Anyways, no offense man. But I sure hope people have more fight in them than you've demonstrated with your post. And I'm probably delusional, but I honestly believe good can and will be done, with or without you.
elfmachine
I think if we look at history, many times of hardship have led to right wing extremism which we are starting to see again. This is mainly why I am worried.
Also I still think or want to think it can change, but if we look at it, many systems are controlled by large corporations which do not have the best interests at heart... environmental issues, worker rights, ect.
Even things that don't look like they are corporately owned, are owned by massive corporations, like Tom's of Maine toothpaste is owned by Colgate, for example.
Also look at media, how do you even expect the average citizen to ignite a change when they are fed a narrative and routinely given what to think...
Lastly, one thing that it always seems to boil down to on these progressive sites, is how do we make a change when many of us see larger than life problems in many areas, I guess as Derrick Jensen says, try to pick one thing you love and do all you can for it.
One bright spot in recent days though is the Robert Gibbs comment, because I think it is causing a division between democrats and I'm hoping more will join/vote 3rd parties.
Sounds good (if your fit and able) there was a time I might have said ok lets jump in the prius and let'em know we're not gonna lay down.
Some of us however don't have that choics. I may crawl but I won't just lie down either.
>^^<
What ws that old maxim (Run, if you can't run crawl, if you can't crawl get someone to carry you) fits my situation.
This is the way it's going to be from now on. Get used to it.
A few days ago, one commenter here in CD wrote that we're not in a recession or a depression. This is a paradigm shift. Well. here it is - illustrated.
This should be shown on every progressive website every day. We should all send the like to everyone we know. This is pain made visible. We need real and concerted action to end this disgraceful economic state of affairs.
Truth, you'll find this updated on the Right-Wing sights more, including locations of internment camps. For the displaced, and those with anti-government tendancies.
>^^<
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/con_camps.htm
Not this time, GOPher.
Put the economy under a bush for 8 years, and it dies.
If you didn't plan ahead and buy 100,000 acres in Paraguay to avoid the meltdown, you're out of luck:
http://theworstpresidentever.blogspot.com/2009/04/escape-valve-bush-buys-100000-acres-on.html
Oh, John, you are deluded. You think the Democrats are better than the Republicans. Bush is not the worst President. Our new boy beats him. Just like Clinton, this Democrat followed a Bush we all hate and then continued and expanded the Bush's programs. Billie got us NAFTA that Bush I could not do. O bomb em all has continued and expanded Bush II's wars. And the next war (or maybe wars) will begin during the lame duck period between the November election and the new Congress in January 2011.
We saw that unemployment map turn dark but do we realize there is the same amount of money is in the system as there was when we had jobs? The problem is that it has all floated up to the bastards that already have over 90% of everything. This 'everything' includes our Congress and White House. They bought it fair and square. We call this capitalistic democracy but it really is what Mussalini defined as Fascism---when the corporations and the government are one.
If we can throw out the corrupt and elect a new Congress, we might be able to tax the rich and end the wars. Afganistan did not attack us on 9/11 and Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Read the papers and watch the lies on the flickering box in your living room and you will be hyped up for the attack on Iran. Oh, it is so awful!! They might made a nuclear bomb in a few years. Any one have any idea how many of these weapons of mass destruction we have? And we know how to use them. Done that already.....and ready to do it again!! Who is the terrorist nation---the Evil Empire? Like Pogo said decades ago, we see the enemy and it is us.
Our nation is bankrupt. We are all out of work and instead of paying attention to our problems at home, our 'leaders' are going to expand the immoral wars. Good profits to be had by our wealthy citizens who are involved in the financial 'industry'. This 'industry' produces debt and ecomomic collapse.
We must not vote for the corrupt greedy buggers in Congress now---don't vote for them -- and don't think you are doing any good by throwing out one corporate party and replacing it with it's evil twin.
Kinda funny in a way, the TV targets them, then for the sin of building atom bombs we cover them and their country with a few million curries worth of depleated uranium dust from shells and armor on everything from humvees to tanks. Every bullet they shoot at us raises a bit more dust for them to breathe and get thru the skin and eyes. eventually giving everyone who fights cancer.
Gotta luv America, or wee keel u.
>^^<
The playing of that map provided in the link showed the country going from a first-degree to a third-degree burn.
Very apt and descriptive comment...
I was born during the last "Great Depression." I remember.
Someone asked, "What is the difference between a recession and a depression?"
Answer, "A recession is when a helluva lot of people are out of work. A depression is when you are out of work, too."
Lots has been said about this in the last 2 years but so little has been done. Economic trickery and short-term gimmicks are not gonna save our bacon this time. American corporations have set sail to new frontiers of profit amid growing 2nd/3rd world countries. There's no boom left in the baby-boomers. We have feed the consumption machine all we got and now it's time to move on and die. If you have money invest in alternative burial busineeses. That is the new growth industry. I'm putting all I got into Cheap & Easy- The Corpse Removal Co. " We really care about you dumb stiffs ".
ANd this time they took our money too! $700.000.000 anyway.
>^^<
Yup: This system is broken, and it has to be rebuilt, not just tweaked here and there and then considered fixed.
We might have done something 20 or 30 years ago - but now I'm afraid it's going to be blood in the streets - and NOBODY wants that. But we're past fixing anything through civilized means - now we're dealing with uncivilized, immoral sociopaths. Fascism fights to the death - are you willing to do so as well? If not, then there's not much chance of avoiding the increasingly oppressive totalitarian state. I know there is NOTHING that I can do - it will take a global effort to stop fascism - and too many countries already heartily embrace it.
When it all comes down, I expect our Military - sworn to defend our Constitution - will stage a coup in our favor, to counter the Fascist coup d'état staged by the Bush Crime Family on November 22, 1963.
When it comes down, whose side will be paying Cheney's Contract Killers? Ours or Theirs?
The United States Military will fight to uphold our Constitution - they will fight for us.
You army brats know that.
Damn, I'm afraid you're probably right. You guys know a lot more than I do. There goes my last delusion.
Can anyone in the know, tell me if our U.S Military guys resent the Contractors, or not?
If the day comes when our military is ordered to fire on their own people - I mean like a huge group, not Kent State - at what point would they refuse to follow orders? Have they become no different than Cheney's Contract Killers?
I heard there were huge moans at West Point when the cadets learned that Obama planned to continue the war(s).
Not anymore.
By the the camps are ready, some are even in use.
>^^<
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Concentration_Camps/index.html
Sorry, those times are gone. It's just a job for them, if someone tells your son to bomb your home he probablly will, otherwise he'd be on the outside getting shot, with us, who will stand up to that.
Me for instance, I'll stand and make'em pay the price. I belive your position in hell depends on how many pull-bearers you have.
But driving acress the country rooting them out stone by stone I'm getting a bit too old, sorry
>^^<
P.S 15 million, So,American insurgents say I'm right. No-one will defend us.
Holy shit! Unbef**kinglievablel!
And yet the official unemployment rate just never seems to get to 10% and beyond.
Can't have that psychological barrier broken or noticed so it always just gets more fractional from 9% but never attains 10%......which everyone knows it's pure BS anyway and has always been vastly understated.
In fact they even said unemployment went DOWN one month. Amazing.
It'd be nice to see an animation like this that shows home evictions too.
Where does the govt think all those people go, just vanish into the Twilight Zone or join the loving military?
BTW, there's a new paradigm of bullshit that's being pushed around for all manner of things too, economic, business, employment, you name it and that's the level of anticipated losses always being better when the time comes around to review it. It's been happening since the bailout days.
By their reasoning, any results that are LESS than the forecasted ones just HAVE to be better......even if they still show a LOSS and are a continuing marked decrease in things and a clear spiral downwards.
It's like a sinking life raft and all aboard are desperately bucketting out water to stay afloat and the air is rapidly going out of multiple gaping holes that's dooming them all. The waves keep crashing over them filling the raft and yet one well paid lying guy in a smart suit wearing the only life preserver keeps saying that each wave that's crashed over them isn't as bad as he's predicted after the last one washed over them.
Thank Greenspan and Reagan, only those actually getting unemployment checks show on that map, Then only the fully unemployed those of us on furloughs or long-term layoff don't get counted.
There are no real figures, last time I ran the raw numbers I came up with 32%, but I'm not an officall with all the information, it could be higher!
>^^<