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05.24.10 - 12:37 PM
Witness Gaza
The largest aid convoy ever - nine vessels, 10,000 tons of humanitarian cargo, 800 people from 50 countries - is en route to Gaza to break the Israeli siege. Witness Gaza will offer daily updates, video, photos, maps and more on the Freedom Flotilla here.
"These ships will only return empty of their cargo, and with the footprints from Gaza's sand." - a Flotilla organizer.
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Show AllAnd the Israeli Nazis will stop the flotilla and force it to turn back.
yup, see here:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Freedom-Flotilla-Heads-For-Gaza-Israel-Vows-To-Block-Entry-Of-Humanitarian-Aid-Ships/Article/201005415637428?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15637428_Freedom_Flotilla_Heads_For_Gaza%3A_Israel_Vows_To_Block_Entry_Of_Humanitarian_Aid_Ships
not that you can really believe anything skynews says though..............
Best watch out for North Korean Submarines.
If Israel manages to stop the flotilla, then we should send an even bigger one, then a bigger one, until it cannot be stopped. Israel has no shame, apparently, so they cannot be shamed out of their barbaric behavior.
I used to think Jews prided themselves on being socially responsive to those in need. But that was a long time ago.
You paint with too broad a brush.
If they keep on doing this they'll be accused of terrorism and the Israeli Navy will sink them.
One wonders if the captains will order their crews to machine gun the survivors...
This is so beautiful, people from fifty different countries who want to help others who are in need, wow. This is the kind of thing that just might save our totally messed-up world.
It would be beautiful if it was about helping people, but it's not. It's about hatred, and anti-semitism, and aiding an extremist right-wing group in attacking those that they hate.
If people were really concerned with helping others there would also be aid to Iraq, Afghanistan and the many other areas that have been violently attacked by the nations that the people from these countries represent. It's beyond scandalous that 7 years after the invasion of Iraq and with over 4 million Iraqis still refugees that Americans and British people focus on the Gazans. Responsible people would help those that they themselves or their countries have hurt, before they focused on others. What this is really about is using the Jews as a scapegoat, as a way of distracting attention from the real war criminals and the massive suffering that the Christian nations have and are perpetuating. One of the primary purposes of this is to help allow the Christian nations to continue to commit war crimes, although no one will admit it.
This will not help the Palestinians; it will hurt them and extend their suffering. It's purpose is to keep alive the conflict, and to make sure that peace doesn't break out. Abbas and the overwhelming majority of Palestinians are sick of the war and want to establish peace with Israel. The last thing they need is outsiders coming in to keep the extremists riled up and the conflict going. The worst possible thing they could do is to further anger the Israelis, and further frighten the Israeli people by reminding them of the extent of anti-semitism in the world.
The amount of supplies they are bringing in is minuscule compared to the need. But it's not about helping the Palestinians. It's about some self-righteous, immature, uninformed, selfish people indulging themselves and allowing them to portray themselves as heroes. It's all about them, not about the Palestinians at all.
A very sad day for the Palestinians, who will suffer even more as a direct result of this.
Ah, there he is. The talkbacker crawls out of his hole with the same old zionist bullshit.
Every statement in your post is a lie. Period.
The suffering of the Palestinians can be increased only by the Israelis, who do so gleefully.
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it looks like abbas is willing to agree to a bantustan state, more or less under israeli/u.s. terms, so the troll has given us the new party line, sig heil!
Mikep is a hit and runner. He'll never respond to a reply of one of his posts, I doubt he knows how to track what he's written online.
He's a classic troll.
A much better (and truer) example of aid encouraging the continuation of self-defeating policies/conflict is U.S. aid to Israel. Perhaps you could write something similar on that.
I normally don't even read comments by this poster, but in scrolling through the thread, I was struck by the fourth paragraph. Is it not a succinct description of Israel? An interesting tactic - to deflect the world's perception of you onto those who threaten you. Has an elementary school playground kind of charm to it.
Gaza And The Warsaw Ghetto
same place
different time
while the world stood by
genocide
live
The Nazis didn't know any better but these Jews sure do.
A mainstream daily, Ma'ariv 'quoted an Israeli officer exhorting his men to study the tactics adopted by the Nazis during the Second World War: "If our job is to seize a densely packed refugee camp or take over the Nablus Casbah, and if this job is to be given to an Israeli officer to carry out without casualties he must before all else analyze and bring together the lessons of past battles, even–shocking though this might appear–to analyze how the German Army operated in the Warsaw Ghetto."'
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1908/19080100.htm
A Fascinating statement about the Nazis. Please elaborate.
THE time was 1940, the place was Warsaw, Poland. Jews had never had an easy time if it in Poland, but they did live there with some dignity and were able to carry on business and life, until the Nazi Blitzkreig. I don’t intend to do more than touch upon the story of the Warsaw ghetto. Hundreds of books, plays and songs have been written, movies have been made. It was a time of horror, hopelessness and heroism.
In October-November 1940, Germans established the Warsaw ghetto, into which some 500,000 Jews were crowded. Food and medicine was withheld; heavily armed Germans were allowed into the ghetto to go Jew hunting. An average of 5,000 to 6,000 died each month from starvation, disease, exposure to cold, and the shootings.
In the summer of 1942, about 300,000 Jews were deported by train from Warsaw to Treblinka. When the reports of mass murder in the killing center leaked back to the Warsaw ghetto, a surviving group of mostly young people formed an organization called the Z.O.B. (for the Polish name, Zydowska Organizacja Bojowa, Polish for Jewish Fighting Organization). ZOB issued a proclamation calling for the Jewish people to resist being deported. In January 1943, Warsaw ghetto fighters, using a small supply of weapons that had been smuggled into the ghetto, fired upon German troops as they tried to round up another group of ghetto inhabitants for deportation. After a few days, the troops retreated. This small victory inspired the ghetto fighters to prepare for future resistance
On April 19, 1943, the Warsaw ghetto uprising began after German troops and police entered the ghetto to deport its surviving inhabitants. About seven hundred-fifty fighters fought the heavily armed and well-trained Germans. The ghetto fighters were able to hold out for nearly a month, but on May 16, 1943, the revolt ended. The German’s overwhelming force had slowly crushed the resistance. Of the more than 56,000 Jews captured, about 7,000 were shot, and the remainder were deported to killing centers or concentration camps.
The deaths of over six million Jews and hundreds of thousands of others in the concentration camps and the death camps of Nazi Germany should be a lesson to the entire planet. Unfortunately, something seems to be hardwired into humanity, to chose oppression over charity and good will. Even Israel, which knows better through its own experience, has fallen into the same trap in its dealings with Palestine.
The point of this article is that I see a parallel behavior between “Palestine” and the “Warsaw ghetto.” As the Germans did in Warsaw, the Jews are walling in the Palestinians. They are cutting off their access to work, food, medical care. The Palestinian youth have little or no hope for any future other than deprivation and arbitrary rule, backed up by superior firepower. When the youth do fight back, Israelis come in, bulldozing and killing in reprisal.
It would seem to me that somewhere in this history should be a learning experience. Historically, oppressed peoples fight back and the more heartless the repression, the stronger the fight. The Germans made a policy in occupied France that if something was sabotaged or a German soldier killed, a number of French villagers would be killed at random. This happened many times, but the sabotage and killing of Germans went on despite the cost. The terror bombings of civilian cities prolonged the resistance and will to fight in England, Germany and even Japan before “the bomb.” We are seeing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Israelis are seeing it in Palestine. A desperate people with nothing to lose will fight to the death.
Palestine had an election which was, according to the international observers, a fair election. They elected Hamas, which has a history of violence. It is not unheard of for violent revolutionary groups, upon acquiring power, to discover that there is more to governing than throwing bombs. Some have proved to be good at government, given the chance. Hamas might or might not have evolved in that direction, but apparently is to be given no chance. (We are already seeing the fruits of the decision to starve out Hamas, with the attack in Tel Aviv.) The Palestinian people made their choice and are to be bombed and starved until they make another choice. This is presented to them as Democracy. Chose the government someone else wants for you or face the consequences. This will give Hamas little incentive to change and, in fact, may accelerate the resistance and terrorism.
The same apparently pertains to the Iraqis, the Afghans, and now Iran. People in those countries who have been working for a democratic solution are being shown that it is fruitless to try. If they make a choice that doesn’t agree with the powerful, then they will be forced to choose what the powers want or turn to violence. Many have chosen to turn back to violence.
Sanctions don’t work. They just starve and kill the rank and file populations. In Iraq, the twelve years of sanctions affected an entire generation of women and children through bad diet and malnutrition. “if the substantial reduction in child mortality throughout Iraq during the 1980s had continued through the 1990s, there would have been half a million fewer deaths of children under-five in the country as a whole during the eight year period 1991 to 1998" Unicef, 12 August 1999. http://www.casi.org.uk/ During that period, Saddam didn’t lose a pound.
It doesn’t work! We can’t keep killing everyone who doesn’t agree with us. There is an ancient maxim; “Do not unto others as you would not have done unto you.” Some call it the Golden Rule. We must cultivate empathy; be able to put ourselves in another’s shoes, to understand and feel the pain, grief and joys of another. This can lead to understanding and understanding can lead to healing.
Part of an article I wrote in 2006.
My question was about the statement that the Nazis didn't know any better. I wonder what Humbaba meant by that statement.
As for your article,
The vast majority of Jews in areas under German control during WWII were murdered. I wonder where is the parallel to Gaza.
In operation cast lead there were 1100-1400 casualties in Gaza. Less than 0.1 percent of the population. This is after 8 years of rockets and mortars fired from Gaza and targeted deliberately to on Israeli civilians. Mind you, there was no siege on Gaza when these firings started. How is any of this similar to the Warsaw Ghetto.
Another comparison. When the Russians attacked Chechnya 15 years ago, they killed 35000 - 100000 civilians, depending on the source. This ranges btween 3 percent to 9 percent of the total population (which is smaller than that of Gaza!) I don't recall anyone making comparisons with the Nazis.
Read it again. You missed the point.
only one man needs to see this.he is called obama.it is only he, who should not only say that the US national interest in the islamic and arab world is in jeoprady(para phrasing)because of lack of progress in applying a peace formula in palastine, but whether he ever will do something effective about it.i doubt if the son of israel's irgun terrorist, his chief of staff, and his iseali agent senior adviser will allow him to see this clip news let alone refrain from back tracking.
I was surpised to see the level of hate by those making comments here. It adds nothing to intelligent discussion and solves no problem. It is just venting with no particular goal. Name calling is childish. It is sad.
Refusing to see multiple points of view is what dooms you. Intollerance dooms you.
I wonder how many of you have EVER had bombs shot at you, year after year, and the world did NOTHING. Probably ZERO. If you had, you would have more understanding about a country protecting its citizens. There was a reason for the actions against Gaza. Stop shooting mortar at your neighbors, and things will get better FAST.
Now, here is my point about understanding both sides of a conflct--different points of view. I do not think any of us really want to see peacful citizens of Gaza or Palestine hurt, bombed or denied essentials of living or medical care. We actually care about what happens to the people in Gaza, as we do with the people in Israel. Fear and pain and death is no way to live on either side.
I would submit that "running the blockade" is not the most intelligent approach to solving the problem of delivering aid. You have a country (Israel) that has been repeatedly attacked with arms delivered to Gaza--by ship, over land, smuggled, etc. It is irrelevant that you might think that this is freedom fighting--from the Israeli perspective, this represents a serious threat. Thinking that running blockade busting ships would NOT send up red flags on the Israeli side is just simply short-sighted. Simplistic. Childish. Not smart.
I would think that intelligent people--and I am sure you are out there--can find a better approach that gets the job done and that is more acceptable to the Israelis. For instance, well-meaning people could actually work with the Israelis to get aid deliveries passed through--and that might mean ship inspections. But so what? If it is just aid, there is no harm. This is just one quick thought--there are many other creative approaches to resolving conflict.
Building trust, after such a long time of bad feelings, death, broken families, hardship, is difficult. It may take generations, but can be accelerated through finding common cause (duh). It can be done.