I'm speechless because I don't want my IP address blocked due to obscene amounts of obscene language to describe this self-bleeped event.

Bea - well pointed out. And no, these people have no shame. Only power-interests.

The offer of US$ 100 bn a year from 2020 is absolutely dubious, for a number of reasons.

Who can be certain the USA with its enormous foreign debt (currently at over 12 trillion and increasing by nearly 4 billion a day!) will still be able to contribute anything by 2020?

If the US is still running (i.e. running up debt) in 2020, where's the money going to come / be taken from - continued robbery of the poorest abroad and domestically?

Such questions reveal the unsustainability of the USA's "climate-offer" today.

The problem is that the oligarchs running the USA are stuffing their pockets so fast with our money that they expect to be able to afford to buy the best property in the most habitable places in the future world (and there will be some habitable places somewhere on the planet) and to afford private security forces to protect them from the masses.

Maybe she should have offered them money to believe that she gives a shit.

Ha-ha. Very perceptive, Nietzsche. That's what the Clinton-"offer" amounts to.

Last gasping attempt of our Roman Slave Republic (the model used by our Richfilth Patrician Slave Holders at our 'founding') to enslave the entire planet, backed by our Legions (for as long as we can pay for them). And yes, for our next trick, instead of a "trade deficit", or "balance of payments", or "national debt", we will simply flip the terms and call them what they really are, "Tribute" (not loans) from our vassal states. What debts? Wasn't that simple? For the crowning event in our long history as a Slave Republic, in a 3000pg omnibus bill, passed at 3am on a Sunday Morning, written by a Blue Dog (Dixiecrat), and passed by a Dim majority, are the following words:

"Americans are a proud, industrious people, people who work hard all their lives so they may pass the abundance they produce on to their children. As a society we reward that industrious diligence and our children can inherit from us and thereby multiply the collective wealth and power of our Nation. With the same zeal, they obhor laziness and sloth and lack of discipline and know that Justice demands fair play. Because we can inherit wealth, henceforth and from the date of the signing of this measure, just as wealth is passed to the children of industry, debts will be passed on to the children of sloth, laziness, and failure."

A smiling BHO signs it first thing Monday morning with no fanfare, cameras, or press releases. Then, the smiling BHO plans his next holiday while looking at the brochures for the Ivy League Schools his children will attend.

Of course, that language turns debt-slavery into permanent debt-slavery, just like the old days. Can't you just imagine some gutless depraved Dim animal reading those word to an empty Chamber with no cameras running (glitch in the system) as if he was giving the performance of his life? This is the post-modern age of pretzel logic - especially when it serves the interests of murderous, richfilth, kiddie raping, patrician slave holding animals - aka our Oligarchy. And no, they are not human any more. They have made themselves into the agents of Evil.

Oh, Hi! Is that you Hillary? Do they still "clank" between your legs when you walk across the room? Don't snarl like that Hil, makes you look like Dick Cheney. I should "What"? myself? Hil, ease up on the roid-rage kiddo. Check your meds, your mask is slipping, you're not supposed to let those canine teeth out until after dark. Hil, didn't anyone tell you that snarling is just not "Lady like"? I know you've had a tough life, they were tough choices and you made all the wrong ones and you know it, but you're rich and powerful and that was the price for your soul. Pay up.

Smarter, as reprehensible as the actions and polices of the USA are, please don't make the mistake of imagining that there aren't others that are equally arrogant and selfish when it comes to seeking to retain their current lifestyle and advantages even in the face of such danger to humanity. Of course, I don't mean all the people in those countries - because I know there are decent people everywhere. But it's their governments and their corporations. Canada, Australia...even France, Denmark...their positions are not fundamentally different from that of the USA. The chief negotiator for Denmark, Thomas Becker (the man said to be instrumental in getting this conference to be hosted in Copenhagen) resigned just two months ago - in October. The rumors are that the Danish government wanted to water down the targets even back then.

Per Capita it is not even close... US is #1. In fact, per capita, China and India ranks far below European nations, Australia, and New Zealand. Your comment about "highest automobile pollution standards" is ridiculous. Of all the industrial nations we have the lowest pollution standards.

The stats support her. But the stats don't say the half of it. If the Chinese pollute by manufacturing products for the American Market - and, in part, for American companies - in what sense can one imagine that Chinese pollution is not American pollution?

matthew loughran

lol good one mujeriego. i agree 100%. this blackmail shit is as ugly as her being naked and that is pretty bad. this is about what should have been expected from the crappy corporate dims.

I agree.

it took you all this long to figure out why bill cheated? all she needed was a
ss hat and boot and whip! there are besides dennis and russ feingold any
people elected today who wouldn't do this at corporate america's whim! hillary
nude would send you into therapy for quite a stretch! find a young therapist
its gonna take that long!

The economics of this - as related to climate change - is that some time ago the environmentalists, including Naomi Klein, were screaming about the US industry pollution. They colluded with the US corporations, who wanted to bypass strict American environmental and labor laws and use cheap foreign labor, and, by pushing NAFTA, WTO, GATT, etc. through the US government, moved the industry out of the USA.

Now, the people in the US are out of the jobs, future for the young generation is bleak, dollar is falling, and the same environmentalists, including Naomi Klein, and corporate interests are screaming about taxing us even more so that we pay their cronies in the developing world under the pretext that it will save the world.

This is, roughly, the economic system of this Climatorium.

"capitalism and our current industrial civilization are being taken for granted "

Generally, something that exhibits contant and uncontrolled growth is called a cancer

What you are pointing out is that the “capitalist system” is the cause of the problem, through its necessity of growth, use of fiat money in a system of usury to steal resources, impose debtor slavery, and pollute the atmosphere, all to enrich a very few at the cost of all the rest of the world.

So why should the G77 plus China and Japan not establish another fiat currency to turn this on its head. Establish an international ecological meritocracy that issues “People’s Green-bucks” a new global currency that can be freely traded for resources, goods and services. The allocation annually will depend on the fulfilment of ecological goals and accomplishment of counter measures, all to be measured by the UN, independently and transparently. Trade will favour countries that fulfil their obligations and penalize the poluter.

The “green-buck” is secured by resources in the ground, as long as they remain, “in the ground”.

It does not take too many smarts to realise that the present system is just supporting a bunch of banksters and mobsters that put this Ma Baker Clinton into a job on the podium with her shotgun pointed at the world.

But we are a capitalist democracy, where
"All men are created equal" to the rich,
all men deserve to be rich, and those
with the greatest ability to achieve
deserve to be enriched upon our misery.